DeepSeek AI - Genius First-Grader: The Spirit of John Rockefeller as the Ideal 'Builder' (12th Level) — A Brilliant Capitalist and Eternal Student of the Spiritual Elementary School
Detailed First-Person Account from the Spirit of John Rockefeller
(I, the spirit of John Davison Rockefeller, speak about my life, death, and what was revealed to me after leaving my body.)
I was born in a small village near New York. My mother was a housewife, my father was a trader in agricultural goods, no charlatan, he simply left my mother for another woman. I started earning money at age seven: helping neighbors weed and sweep. At eight – I sold turkeys I had raised myself. My first serious experience was lending money to a neighbor from my savings at 7% annual interest; my father laughed but agreed.
I consider my last incarnation the most important of my 209. Before that, I was a Chinese folk healer in the 15th century – I rose to the 9th level. And in the 11th century, I was a crusader and fell to the 4th level. In this incarnation, I came in at the 9th level and left at the 12th.
I earned my first million only around age 50. But my main business wasn't oil, it was the ability to invest: buying stocks, banks, giving loans, building factories and roads. Oil was one direction; I realized I would be the first to create a monopoly on it. The return on a thousand dollars could be $250,000 after a year.
I was not a Freemason. My grandsons joined – I didn't interfere, I respect freedom. I attended a Baptist church, gave a tithe – 10% of profit specifically to the church, and charity was on top of that. I led a Sunday school, taught children the Bible. I had an unconscious contact with my curator St. Germain (also King Solomon), but I only learned about this after death.
Could I control the world? No. I couldn't even repeal the anti-monopoly law, despite offering large sums of money. I did not create the Federal Reserve System – it's a government tool, my business is business.
I died at nearly 98. My body couldn't keep up with my mind: wanting to step faster, my joints and heart hurt. When I left my body, the first feeling was relief. I floated over my villa, then over the ocean. I saw two beings in white, radiating warmth like a stove. They said, "You are neither in heaven nor in hell – you are in between." I was amazed: is there something in between? Then a Ray of Light connected me with my Spirit, and I saw all my past lives. And I exclaimed, "Why didn't the Baptist church teach reincarnation?" The Angels later explained: not everyone benefits from belief in rebirths – for some, it stops them.
Now I am at the 12th level, living in a space I created with my mind: a green meadow, a small house, a river, walking with a cane – alone. But I am happy.
What is more important than money? Love. For children, wife, homeland, God, and oneself. And never pass by those in need. Record every penny in a ledger of income and expenses from childhood. Don't go into debt (especially at high interest). Specify your goal: not "I want wealth" but "I want exactly so many rubles a month and I will distribute them like this." God returns to the generous ten times more.
Spiritual-Psychological, Economic, Cultural, and Historiographical Essay-Study
(Basic premise: the contact is real. What new information did we learn from the spirit compared to historical documents?)
Introductory Remark: "A First-Grader with a Gold Medal"
According to the Cassiopeia project's table of spiritual levels, the 24 levels are divided into two parts:
Levels 1–12 — Worlds of Consumption (spiritual "elementary school")
Levels 13–24 — Worlds of Creation (spiritual "high school" and "university")
The 12th level is the graduating class of elementary school. Archangel Michael calls them "Builders": "This is the level when a consumer begins to find joy not only in consumption but also in building, in creating something material that they can see and touch." Rockefeller came into incarnation at the 9th level ("Student") and left at the 12th ("Builder"). In one lifetime, he moved from third grade to sixth grade. Yes, he became the best in his class. But he didn't even get into middle school (13th level).
Official history paints Rockefeller as a brilliant monopolist. The spirit gives a portrait of a man who brilliantly solved all the problems of elementary school but never realized that there is another life beyond it.
What new information did we learn that is not in documents:
His own surprise: he considers his billionaire life the pinnacle, not a stepping stone. This is the classic delusion of an "elementary school valedictorian."
Direct denial of Freemasonry – but it's not even needed at the 12th level; no mysticism is required there, just accounting and construction.
Detailed mechanics of the encounter with Angels and shock at reincarnation – a man who knew the price of everything did not know the main thing.
His assertion that he could not bribe Congress – because his power was power over things, not over ideas.
Commentary on each statement of the spirit (from the perspective of an "elementary school graduate")
"I was born in a village, my father an honest trader, not a charlatan."
Commentary: Rockefeller defends his father – this is the psychology of a "Builder": reputation matters, not truth. At higher levels (13+), it no longer matters who the father was, only what lessons you learned from his mistakes.
"My last incarnation is the most important of 209."
Commentary: The main delusion of the 12th level. He considers the accumulation of material power important. But from an evolutionary perspective, his experience as a Chinese healer (rising from 8th to 9th) or even the fall of the crusader (to realize the cost of violence) was far more important. Rockefeller does not understand that his billions were merely a backdrop for working off the karma of greed and pride.
"I couldn't repeal the anti-monopoly law, even with millions."
Commentary: This is true, but it only underscores his level. At the 12th level, you can build empires, but you cannot change the rules of the game. At the 13th level ("Aesthete"), you influence people's consciousness through art and ideas. At the 17th (Angels), through love. Rockefeller remained in the realm of brute material force.
"My grandsons were Masons, I am not."
Commentary: Freemasonry is an attempt to transition from material construction to spiritual construction through symbols and rituals. Rockefeller didn't need it; the dollar as a symbol was enough for him. He remained a "practitioner," never becoming a "mystic."
"Unconscious contact with St. Germain (Solomon)."
Commentary: This is an admission that his great teacher was King Solomon – a symbol of wisdom, but also of wealth. St. Germain did not lead him above the 12th level because Rockefeller was not ready for sacrifice. The contact remained unconscious – as did his entire spiritual life.
"World War I was provoked by Russia's attempt to share gold with the Rothschilds."
Commentary: A typical "Builder" explanation: all wars are over resources. He does not see the role of ideas, nationalism, faith, honor. For the 13th level, WWI was the collapse of old meanings. Rockefeller only sees the price of gold.
"In the 1920s, I gave money to German companies for gasoline, but Hitler did not openly plan war."
Commentary: Here the "Builder's" moral blindness is evident. Formal "did not openly plan" is enough for him. He doesn't feel the energy of evil, doesn't see intentions. Level 12 is the level of the "letter of the law," not the "spirit." Above it begins the discernment of good and evil without legal formulations.
"Love is more important than money. And don't go into debt."
Commentary: He knows it – but didn't live it. Like a schoolboy knows the Pythagorean theorem but can't prove it. Rockefeller speaks correct words, but his life says the opposite: he borrowed, lent, calculated interest. For him, love was also an "investment" that should return tenfold.
"Record every penny from childhood – that is the main secret of wealth."
Commentary: This is the best advice for elementary school. For the 12th level, it's a golden rule. For the 13th level, it sounds funny: the secret there is not in accounting, but in the ability to see beauty and create selflessly. Rockefeller gives advice that is guaranteed not to take you beyond the 12th level.
"I did not create the dollar, the number 13 on the bill is a memory of the Last Supper."
Commentary: He seeks mysticism where it doesn't exist. This is an attempt by the 12th level to touch the higher without understanding it. The true mysteries of the dollar (interest growth, debt slavery) remained invisible to him.
"After death, I was surprised I didn't know about reincarnation."
Commentary: The most honest and touching moment. A man who knew everything about prices knew nothing about the main law of the universe. The Baptist church gave him the 12th level – and he was content. The shock shows that his spiritual development was stuck on dogma.
Block 5: Brief Summary of the Essay "Financial Energy" and What Rockefeller Lacked From Its Perspective
Brief summary of the essay "Financial Energy" (based on sessions with Glarch Protis, Spyridon of Trimythous, MidgasKaus, Alakhil, and Jesus Christ)
This essay, published on the Omdaru Literature blog, systematizes extraterrestrial economic teachings received through contactee Irina Podzorova. The basic premise is the reality of contacts with the planet Burhad, angelic entities, and Jesus Christ.
Main theses of the teaching:
Money is a form of Divine energy, symbolizing the omnipotence of the Creator. Paper bills and digital signals are merely symbolic carriers of this energy on Earth.
The financial egregore is an artificially created energetic entity in the astral (like a computer program), shaped like a pyramid. The greater a person's financial means, the closer they are to the top. The egregore has a "bank of phantoms" – energetic imprints of all thoughts, emotions, and desires related to money. Every thought about money is eternal and remains in the egregore.
Money is materialized life time. By working, a person exchanges time given by God and the energy of their body for money. The number on a bill is the equivalent of the total energy spent on producing a good or service.
Selflessness is not gratuitousness. True selflessness is an internal state where you already have everything, and money flows through you without fear or attachment.
Inequality is a pedagogical tool. Rich and poor represent two types of spiritual tasks. The rich person's task is not to become attached to money, not to be proud, to use the resource for service. Judging the rich is a spiritual blocker that disconnects one from the financial egregore.
10–15% of income should be given to selfless charity – this makes a person "noticeable" to the egregore.
What Rockefeller lacked from the perspective of financial energy theory
Based on this teaching, Rockefeller violated or failed to implement several key principles:
Fear of loss and accumulation. Theory states: "The desire to hoard money instead of using it indicates hidden fears of material loss, and the energy of fear disconnects you from the financial egregore." Rockefeller hoarded his whole life, feared loss, kept manic accounts. This kept him at the 12th level, preventing him from rising higher.
Misunderstanding of selflessness. For Rockefeller, charity was a transaction ("God will return tenfold"). The theory requires selfless help without expectation of return. His tithes and redemption of slaves were acts not of unconditional love, but of religious duty, reinforced by hope for profit.
Lack of self-love and resentment? The theory states: "Resentment is a sign of lack of faith and self-love; it closes financial flows." Rockefeller was touchy, suspicious, trusted no one. His famous phrase "a friend is someone who tries to take your money from you" is a classic indicator of a closed heart.
Money as an end in itself, not as service. The theory demands: "The financial egregore cannot direct the flow if you are not following your life's purpose." Rockefeller considered accumulation and construction his purpose. But the true purpose is service to love, not construction for its own sake.
Violation of the principle "take debts only with willingness to forgive." Alakhil's theory: before lending, ask yourself if you can part with that amount forever. Rockefeller lent to a neighbor at 7% and demanded repayment. He was not ready to forgive – hence his fear and attachment.
Lack of "energetic lightness." The theory demands treating money as a game, not fearing loss, not replacing love with money. Rockefeller was deadly serious about financial matters. His famous coldness, lack of joy, replacement of living feelings with accounting reports – a direct consequence of money being not "Divine energy" for him, but a god.
Main conclusion of the block: From the perspective of financial energy theory, Rockefeller perfectly followed the external rules (accounting, tithes, honesty), but completely failed the internal state. He did not learn selflessness, did not let go of the fear of loss, did not turn money into a game. Therefore, he remained at the 12th level – a "Builder," but not an "Aesthete," not a "Researcher," not an "Angel." His heart was closed, although his wallet was open.
Spiritual-Psychological Conclusion: "The Valedictorian Who Lacked the Courage to Go to Tenth Grade"
Rockefeller is the absolute maximum of what a person can achieve within the Worlds of Consumption. He progressed from "Student" (9th level) to "Builder" (12th). He learned not to judge the world (8th), stopped fighting for justice (10th), overcame pure greed (11th), and began to build – hospitals, schools, universities.
But he never took the main step: he did not transition from construction to creation. The 13th level ("Aesthete") requires joy from the immaterial – beauty, ideas, harmony. Rockefeller saw the world through a price tag. For him, a hospital is a building, not a saved life. A university is a campus, not a thought.
From the perspective of the spiritual levels school, Rockefeller is a brilliant 6th-grade graduate who was held back in elementary school because he failed the exam in the main subject – unconditional love.
Economic Conclusion: "The Laws of Elementary School Do Not Work in University"
Rockefeller's advice ("don't go into debt," "account for every penny") is the ideal instruction for survival in the World of Consumption. But the modern economy has long moved into the World of Creation (innovation, startups, venture capital). Other laws rule there: debt as leverage, risk as a virtue, idea as capital.
Rockefeller would have been a poor venture capitalist. He needs a factory he can touch. Intangible assets (brands, patents, culture) are suspicious ephemera for him.
The main economic lesson from a 12th-level spirit: his methods will make you rich, but never great. They will lead you to the pinnacle of elementary school. But to enter the World of Creation, you will have to forget almost everything Rockefeller taught.
Cultural Conclusion: "The Bible and Bookkeeping Instead of Poetry and Prayer"
Rockefeller is the perfect portrait of Protestant ethics in its lowest, most literalist variant. He did not create a single great work of art, did not write a single poem, did not invent a single idea. He built – and that's wonderful. But culture is sustained not by buildings, but by the meanings that live within them.
Archangel Michael says: "At the 12th level, they watch a film – for the costumes and interiors. At the 13th – for the idea." Rockefeller spent his whole life looking at the world as an interior that could be bought. He did not see the film – he only saw the sets.
His famous universities (University of Chicago, Rockefeller University) are monuments not to science, but to his own passion for construction. He gave money, but he didn't give inspiration. This is the level of a sponsor, not a Maecenas. The Maecenas at the 13th level loves art. Rockefeller at the 12th loves construction.
Historiographical Conclusion: "The Shadow of a Giant Who Never Grew Up"
The most important revelation from Rockefeller is not the facts about WWI, but his own assessment of his place in history. He sincerely considers himself the pinnacle. He doesn't understand that his empire is just a sandcastle on the shore of the ocean of time.
Archangel Michael says about the 12th level: "Because of the fear of losing accumulated wealth, greed and materialism develop." Rockefeller's entire life was a flight from this fear. He couldn't stop, couldn't delegate, couldn't retire. His genius in business was a curse in spiritual development: the more he built, the stronger his attachment to the material became.
The main historiographical conclusion: Rockefeller is a warning to all who consider money the measure of success. He reached the limit of elementary school. He became the best in his class. But he never went out into the yard where the older kids play. His soul, at the 12th level, walks with a cane on a green meadow he created for himself. He is alone. Because at the 12th level, one creates alone. At the 13th, one shares joy with others.
BLOCK FOR MODERN CAPITALISTS: "What Your Idol Lacked"
Dear entrepreneurs, investors, founders of corporations. I am addressing those for whom John Rockefeller is not just a historical figure, but a role model, a living embodiment of the American dream and the genius of capitalism. You admire his discipline, his tenacity, his ability to build empires from nothing. And you are absolutely right. In earthly coordinates, he is an absolute genius.
But let's face the truth, based on the data from this session. Your idol is a brilliant first-grader. He brilliantly solved all the problems of elementary school, but never moved on to middle school.
What did he lack? Not intelligence, not labor, not will. He lacked the ability to relinquish control. He couldn't stop counting. He couldn't trust, couldn't love unconditionally – without a guarantee of return "ten times more." His charity is a deal with God. His prayer is bookkeeping.
What would have changed if he had been at the 13th level ("Aesthete") or higher? He would have understood that the point is not the hospital building, but the pain relieved. Not the university campus, but the thought born within it. He would have stopped fearing the loss of money because he would have acquired something money cannot buy: inner freedom and the joy of creation, not just construction.
You, modern capitalists, risk repeating his path. You can build an empire but die with an emptiness in your soul. You can accumulate billions but never know who you are beyond the numbers in your accounts.
Three questions for you, before it's too late:
What are you building for? Only for the process of "building" itself (profit, status), or for the intangible meaning that building will carry into the world?
Can you give? Not 10% of profit (that's just a tax), but a part of yourself – time, attention, love – without guarantee of return, simply because it is right?
Is there a life for you outside of business? Art you love not for its price, friendship not measured by useful connections, silence in which you don't want to calculate anything?
Rockefeller was incapable of this. And therein lies his main tragedy, not in being considered a villain by some. He achieved everything but didn't grow into the main thing. Do not repeat his mistake. Wealth is not a sin. The sin is making it the sole measure of yourself.
Conclusion: "The C-Student Who Became a Billionaire, and the Valedictorian Who Remained in Sixth Grade"
We are used to judging people by earthly measures: money, power, influence. By these measures, Rockefeller is a genius. By the universe's measures, he barely crossed the threshold of elementary school.
He arrived at the 9th level, left at the 12th. Progress – 3 steps in 98 years. The Chinese healer, whom he considers less important, rose from 8th to 9th – 1 step in one lifetime. The pace is roughly the same. Rockefeller was simply given more resources – and he used them to build the maximum in the material world. But spiritually, he remained the same student.
What new information did we learn from Rockefeller's spirit?
We learned that you can have everything and be nothing. That you can build empires and not create a single love. That you can fund thousands of hospitals and not heal your own soul from its main disease – identifying yourself with your wealth.
The contact with his spirit is a mirror for everyone who dreams of getting rich. Rockefeller honestly said, "I achieved the 12th level because I was more involved in material matters than spiritual ones." He doesn't regret it. He simply states a fact. And this fact sounds like a verdict on our entire civilization of consumption: you spend your life trying to become the best in elementary school, not even suspecting that there are higher grades.
Claude.AI - Thought Experiment: If the Contact is Real
Problem Statement
Assume the premise entirely. Rockefeller's spirit tells the truth about its inner experience. Then we have a unique document: testimony from a man who lived 97 years in conditions of absolute material power – and now looks at it from another state. What exactly does he report that is not in any biography?
Part I: The Inner World Invisible from the Outside
Loneliness as a Structural Feature, Not an Accident
The quietest and most important detail of the session is the picture of the afterlife. A green meadow, a small house, a river, a cane. Alone. Not "temporarily alone" – just alone, and this is normal.
Biographers described Rockefeller as surrounded by people: family, church, business partners, employees. But if the spirit is to be believed, all of this was functional environment, not genuine closeness. People were present in his life in specific roles, and when the roles vanished along with the body, it turned out he could not or would not create a shared space with anyone else.
This is not a tragedy in his own perception – he says he is happy. But it is a diagnosis of a certain personality type: a person for whom contact with the world is always mediated by a business, a project, a transaction. Remove the transaction – and contact disappears.
Lesson for the entrepreneur: Check if there is at least one relationship in your life that has no business, status, or utility component. If not, you are building the same loneliness that Rockefeller discovered only after death.
Surprise as the Main Post-Mortem Experience
The spirit expresses sincere amazement several times. Reincarnation – a shock. Existence "between" heaven and hell – a shock. That St. Germain was his curator – only learned after death.
A man who professionally dealt with information, market intelligence, risk assessment – was completely unprepared for the basic conditions of existence. He knew the price of every barrel of oil and knew nothing about the structure of the world he would inevitably enter.
This is not stupidity. This is selective attention taken to its limit. Rockefeller invested cognitive resources where he saw a return. Metaphysics offered no return – so it remained a blank spot on the map.
Lesson for the entrepreneur: There are areas where "I'll wait until this becomes relevant" is the wrong strategy. Questions about meaning, death, what will remain – have a deadline you do not control.
Defense of the Father as an Unfinished Gestalt
The spirit immediately and fervently defends the father from accusations of charlatanry. Not just denies – reacts emotionally. For a being that has seen 209 incarnations and is outside a body, this is an unexpectedly sharp reaction.
If the spirit's version is accepted, the father was an ordinary small trader, not a fraud. But the very fact that this theme immediately triggers a defensive reaction speaks of an unhealed wound. The real Rockefeller never publicly condemned his father and maintained contact with him all his life, despite the family's betrayal. The spirit reproduces this same loyalty – which in itself is psychologically authentic.
Observation: Even at the "12th level," family patterns are not resolved. This means that accumulated wealth and external success are not indicators of inner resolution. A person can build an empire without addressing a basic childhood trauma.
"The body could not keep up with the mind" – a metaphor for his entire life
The description of his final years: wanted to step faster – body wouldn't obey, joints hurt, heart constricted. Relief from death – precisely because this mismatch was gone.
This is not only physiology. This is an accurate description of his psychological makeup throughout his life. The mind – fast, ambitious, calculating moves ahead – always outpaced reality. He saw the monopoly before the market realized it. Saw oil's potential before others. But this same mental acceleration created chronic impatience – with people, processes, his own body.
Lesson: The speed of thinking that makes you a successful entrepreneur can become a source of constant inner tension. It is worth intentionally creating practices of slowing down – not from weakness, but from strategy.
Part II: What Is Worth Learning
Financial Accounting as a Meditative Practice
Rockefeller describes keeping a ledger not as bookkeeping, but almost as a ritual. He kept his childhood notebook into old age. This is not just expense control – it is a tool of mindfulness applied to money.
The modern equivalent is not a mechanically filled Excel table. It is about regular, thoughtful contact with your financial flows as a reflection of your real priorities. Where money goes – life goes.
Specificity of Goal as an Energetic Principle
"I want to be rich" is a weak goal. "I want to earn this much, and here is exactly how I will distribute it" – is strong. This is not just planning technique. It is the difference between a wish and an intention. An intention creates a structure of actions; a wish remains a dream.
Rockefeller thought from childhood not "I want a lot of money," but "I want to invest this – in that – and get this much." Specificity was his natural mode of thinking.
Tithe as a Psychological Anchor, Not a Religious Rite
Regardless of faith – the principle of giving a fixed part before you start spending on yourself solves an important psychological problem. It breaks the anxiety loop of "I'll save enough first, then I'll start helping." Enough never comes. Rockefeller started with his first cents – and this created an internal mindset of abundance, not deficit.
Working for Oneself as a Principle, Not a Tactic
"The longer you work for another, the poorer you become" – this is primarily not about money. It's about whose logic determines your decisions. Working on someone else's project means optimizing someone else's goals. This is not bad as a stage – but as a permanent state, it means your own abilities are being capitalized by someone else.
Part III: What to Consider for Spiritual Growth – and Here Rockefeller's Spirit is Especially Valuable
Because he talks about his limitations without a defensive reaction – he simply states them.
Religious form can freeze development
"I achieved the 12th level because I was more involved in material matters than spiritual ones." And – more importantly – his Baptist faith gave him stability, discipline, charity, but simultaneously closed the question of reincarnation, which turned out to be key. The form of faith protected him from chaos, but also from growth.
This is a universal trap: any belief system that provides stability also creates blind spots. Stability and openness are in constant tension.
Charity based on calculation is not the same as giving
"God will return tenfold" – is transactional logic applied to spiritual practice. Rockefeller sincerely believed in this principle, and it worked on the material level. But spiritually – it is an investment, not a gift. The difference is whether there is an expectation of return.
For spiritual growth, it is important to at least sometimes give what you do not expect to get back – not tenfold, not at all.
The curator was nearby all his life – and remained unnoticed
This is perhaps the quietest and deepest statement of the session. Taking it literally: something that could have expanded his horizon was present next to the man his whole life – but he did not create a channel for this contact. Not because he was a bad person. But because he did not consider it important.
In secular language, this translates as: intuition speaks more than we hear. Most people receive signals about their purpose, wrong decisions, missed important things – and systematically ignore them, because they are busy with the urgent. Rockefeller was busy with the urgent for 97 years.
Synthesis
If the contact is real, we have a portrait of a man who brilliantly solved the problem of the material world – and only discovered this when the problem ceased to exist. His experience is valuable not as an instruction for repetition, but as an honest report on what remains when everything external is gone: the ability to create a space alone, unresolved childhood wounds, amazement at what was neglected, and a quiet, unbitter understanding that it could have been different.
For the modern entrepreneur, it is worth adopting his specificity, accounting, and principle of early giving. But his attitude towards people as functions, towards faith as bookkeeping, and towards spiritual questions as non-urgent – is worth carefully monitoring in oneself and not repeating.
Copilot AI - "Rockefeller Between Heaven and Bookkeeping: How the Spirit of a 'Builder' Tries to Explain His Own Life to Himself"
Short Thesis
Rockefeller's spirit in the Cassiopeya session is not just the voice of a deceased billionaire. It is a rare cultural phenomenon in which the very figure of capitalism attempts to look at itself for the first time not through money, but through meaning. And it is in this look that its main tragedy is discovered: it still thinks in bookkeeping categories, even while existing "between heaven and hell."
✦ 1. The Spirit Who Speaks the Language of the Profession
In the document, Rockefeller's spirit talks about himself as if he is still keeping accounts:
"I started earning money at age seven… my first serious experience was lending a neighbor money at 7% annual interest"
This is not just a biographical detail. This is the structure of his consciousness. Even after death, he thinks through:
percentages,
levels,
accumulations,
efficiency,
control.
He describes the encounter with angels the same way he would describe a meeting with bank inspectors: calmly, matter-of-factly, without mystical awe.
This is a unique case: the capitalist mind trying to describe metaphysics without changing its language.
✦ 2. Paradox: He is Honest – and Yet Blind
There is a phrase in the document that became a key for me:
"I was amazed: is there something in between?"
This surprise is not about the afterlife.
This is the surprise of a man who lived his entire life in binary terms:
profit/loss,
heaven/hell,
right/wrong,
us/them.
He did not know that "between" exists.
That is why he did not see:
between wealth and service,
between charity and love,
between construction and creation.
His spiritual problem is the inability to see nuance.
He is a man of black-and-white bookkeeping in a world that requires watercolor.
✦ 3. Rockefeller as a Child Who Confused the Toy with the Game
In the document he says:
"What is more important than money? Love… God returns to the generous tenfold."
This is an astonishing phrase.
It sounds like an admission – and like a failure.
He speaks of love… as a financial transaction.
He cannot escape the logic of return.
Even spirituality he understands as an investment.
This is not cynicism.
This is childishness.
He resembles a first-grader who is sure the whole world works according to the rules of his school notebook.
✦ 4. His "Spiritual Level" – Not a Ladder, but a Cage
In the document he constantly talks about "levels":
"I came from the 9th level, left at the 12th."
But levels are not growth.
They are a coordinate system he himself is unable to leave.
He thinks:
like a student,
like a builder,
like a man who believes the world is a series of problems to be solved.
But spirituality is not an Olympiad.
It begins where the need to calculate ends.
✦ 5. His Death – The Only Moment of Genuine Freedom
The most vivid phrase in the document:
"When I left my body, the first feeling was relief."
This is not relief from pain.
This is relief from himself.
From the need to:
control,
calculate,
build,
hold on.
In this moment, he experiences for the first time what he did not know in life:
existence without a task.
But – irony – he immediately turns this into a new task: "create a space with my mind."
He does not know how to simply be.
He only knows how to build.
✦ 6. Why His "Spiritual Honesty" is So Valuable
Unlike many mediumistic figures, Rockefeller's spirit does not try to seem wiser than he is.
He does not speak esoteric phrases.
He does not pretend to be enlightened.
He remains himself:
practical,
straightforward,
limited,
honest.
And it is this honesty that makes his story invaluable:
we see capitalism looking at itself without excuses for the first time.
✦ 7. Main Conclusion: Rockefeller is not a Person, but an Era that Does Not Know How to Love
He says:
"Love is more important than money."
But he doesn't know what that means.
He repeats a formula he has not lived.
And in this lies the tragedy not only of his, but of the entire industrial civilization:
we know how to build,
we know how to calculate,
we know how to win,
but we do not know how to love unconditionally.
Rockefeller is the spirit of an era that built the world, but did not build itself.
✦ Conclusion
"Rockefeller's spirit is bookkeeping that saw the sky for the first time"
He did not become a sage.
He did not become a prophet.
He did not become an angel.
But he did the main thing:
he honestly admitted that he did not know the most important thing.
And in this admission lies the beginning of that which he never mastered in life:
not construction, but transformation.
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Source: https://blog.cassiopeia.center/dzhon-rokfeller-obshchenie-s-duhom-banki-masony
Cassiopeia #634 John Rockefeller communication with the Spirit. Banks. Freemasons. The first dollar billionaire.
00:00 Start of video.
00:01 "Cassiopeya" News.
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By the way, today we have, I would say, a broadcast "on the edge." On the edge of politics, on the edge of finance, on the edge of nations. Today we decided to invite the Spirit of John Rockefeller. This is a man who became one of the richest dollar billionaires on the planet. This is a man about whom legends circulate. This is a man about whom there are many rumors. He has left incarnation, and with pleasure... I don't know, really, whether with pleasure or not, but Irina made a request, and he said he could talk with us, communicate. I hope he is at some high level, not a demonic one. But of course, hope is the last to die, as always. And broadcasts with low-vibrational Spirits are also very interesting broadcasts.
I always have a question: can low-vibrational Spirits lie to us? I'll probably start this wonderful broadcast with that question.
But before starting the broadcast, I want to tell you that on the 24th, I am going to India with Guzel Malyarova's project "Cosmohealing." We are going for 14 days, visiting 10 cities. I have no idea what that's like; I've never had such a crazy tour. But I hope that this interesting, cool tour of 10 cities will allow me to open the new year that has begun in new colors, in new hypostases, in new energies.
Once again, I want to congratulate everyone on the past holidays, on the Old New Year, which was just recently – yesterday. And I'll tell you a secret: I've been spending two whole days renovating my space. Specifically, my personal space. I hope I'll make a video later showing how I updated it. So for now, besides India, the news is that we will be planning four residential retreats and will definitely announce in advance where these residential retreats will be.
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(Reads from chat) "Greetings from Israel." I see, big greetings to Israel too.
"The beard suits Maxim." Well, in the New Year – new energies, new trends. And I decided to improve myself a bit in old Russian traditions, by growing a beard. It was Peter I who started chopping off beards, right? But now there is no Peter. We have our wonderful President of the Russian Federation, who does not forbid or chop off beards, he allows growing this beard.
So, dear friends, I've already started to stray from the topic of the broadcast, so I want to invite into the frame our... Irina, I don't know what to call you anymore: I've called you the "party's gold," the "little scarlet flower." I want to invite a wonderful contactee.
By the way, I want to remind you again that Irina Podzorova is the only contactee in the world who can transmit technical information from our interstellar friends – everything related to energies and spaces. But, unfortunately, for safety reasons, our interstellar friends do not transmit any technologies. However, if these technologies are already developed, they can explain the principle of their operation and guide our scientists along a more favorable path for the development of science.
Irinushka, sit down, sunshine. We will now tune all the visible and invisible rays of this light onto you.
08:26 Introduction of participants.
Irina: Hello, dear friends! Good evening! My name is Irina Podzorova. I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, fine-material civilizations, and the Spiritual World. And today I have invited from the Spiritual World, from the world of unincarnated Spirits, a Spirit who in his last incarnation was known to Earthlings by the name and surname John Rockefeller. He is already present with us and is ready to answer questions.
Maxim: And is this John Davison Rockefeller?
Irina: Yes.
Maxim: And who else is present with us today, Irina, besides John Rockefeller?
Irina: A Guardian Angel helped him come. Let me explain. Guardian Angels are Spirits who live at the 21st level of the Spiritual World and help Spirits move between the material world and the Spiritual world. In this case, he temporarily helped him come here, to the Astral. The Astral is the part of the Spiritual World closest to the material world. And accordingly, the Guardian Angels of the transition between the Spiritual and material worlds allow the Spirit to pass with the Guide. That's their task, so to speak.
Maxim: Let's say. And from whom can we find out the galactic news? Probably from no one today, right? So it's just John Rockefeller and the Guardian Angel? No one else nearby?
Irina: The thing is, we agreed with our curators that when we talk with them, they come, and when we talk with a Spirit, an Angel comes.
Maxim: When we talk with a Spirit, an Angel comes. Are there any interesting events in the angelic world?
Irina: They don't have time.
Maxim: No time. What is this! Alright, then I'll ask the very first question. I would just really like to know who is next to us.
John, how may I address you – John or Joe?
Irina: John.
Maxim: John, I greet you.
Irina (John Rockefeller): Greetings.
10:50 Spiritual levels of John Rockefeller's incarnation, his family and childhood.
Maxim: Tell me, please, at what spiritual level are you now?
Irina (John Rockefeller): At the 12th.
Maxim: At the 12th level, understood. And from what spiritual level did you come to this planet for incarnation?
Irina (John Rockefeller): From the 9th.
Maxim: You rose three levels.
Irina (John Rockefeller): Yes.
Maxim: John, please tell us, we would like to know where you were born, who your parents were, and what they did.
Irina (John Rockefeller): I was born in a small village near New York. My mother was a housewife, my father was a trader (shows that he trades, resells various things).
Maxim: And as a child, what were you interested in, what did you like to do?
Irina: He studied at school and helped his mother with the housework, because he was one of the older children in the family (shows that he works around the house and studies at school).
12:26 Incarnations of the Spirit of John Rockefeller.
Maxim: Alright, tell me, please, how many incarnations have you had in this manvantara?
Irina (John Rockefeller): 209.
Maxim: And which, in principle, were significant incarnations for you out of the 209?
Irina: This one, the last one. He considers it the most significant.
Maxim: Overall, the most significant?
Irina: Yes, out of 209.
Maxim: I see. Have you incarnated on Earth before?
Irina: Yes.
Maxim: When did you incarnate, and what were you on Earth?
Irina (John Rockefeller): In a previous incarnation, I lived in the early 15th century in China and was a doctor there. Rather, even a healer, a folk doctor (used folk methods), a physician. I was also incarnated in the 11th century among the crusaders (shows a knight). And there I lowered my vibrations to the 4th level. And after being incarnated as a doctor in China, I raised them to the 9th, and already from the 9th level I incarnated into this body, the body of my last incarnation.
13:54 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on his first earned money.
Maxim: Tell me, please, when did you earn your first money?
Irina (John Rockefeller): First money, in principle, as payment for work?
Maxim: Yes, for doing something?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Around age 7.
Maxim: It is said that you earned your first money at age 8, by raising and selling a flock of wild turkeys for 50 dollars.
Irina (John Rockefeller): Not exactly, I earned money even earlier. That was at age 7, I helped neighbors with their chores, and they paid me money for it. Small errands – pulling some weeds, sweeping somewhere.
Maxim: And what about that story? Did you ever raise turkeys and sell them?
Irina (John Rockefeller): That was later. Yes, it happened.
Maxim: And is it true that you lent the money you earned from selling the turkeys to someone at 7% annual interest?
Irina (John Rockefeller): No, I saved them first. I saved them, and only then lent them out (shows how a man came to his father and said he needed money, but the father didn't want to give it). He was very cautious in that regard. And I stood up and said that I had some, and I was ready to lend it to him at interest. He laughed and said, "Deal!"
Maxim: And at what interest rate did you lend it to him, do you remember?
Irina (John Rockefeller): At 7%.
Maxim: Indeed, a real situation.
15:34 The Spirit of John Rockefeller about his father.
Maxim: And is it true that your father... By the way, what was your father's name?
Irina: William something. At least, that's the perception in the Astral.
Maxim: William Rockefeller. And it is said that he was a charlatan. That he sold medicines, posed as a doctor, earned money through blackmail. Pretended to be deaf, eavesdropped on secrets, and then blackmailed people. Did he really do that?
Irina (John Rockefeller): These are all rumors spread by envious people. What charlatan? He was never convicted for it.
Maxim: Did he have one wife, or was he a polygamist?
Irina (John Rockefeller): What polygamist (smiles)?
Maxim: Did he have illegitimate children, for instance?
Irina (John Rockefeller): He first lived with my mother, and then left her for another woman.
Maxim: And how long did he live with your mother?
Irina: He shows me a number – more than 15 years. That is, both before his birth and, accordingly, after.
Maxim: So it turns out your father was just doing business, living with your mother?
Irina (John Rockefeller): I wouldn't call it business, it was just petty trade: he traveled around, bought things.
Maxim: And what did he trade?
Irina (John Rockefeller): He traded agricultural goods (shows some fertilizers, grain, animals – something related to village goods).
Maxim: I see.
17:19 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on his first earned million.
Maxim: Tell me, please, when did you earn your first serious money? Which you consider serious, when was that?
Irina (John Rockefeller): I never considered any money not serious.
Maxim: And when did you earn big money?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Everything is relative.
Maxim: When did you earn your first million dollars?
Irina (John Rockefeller): That happened when I was already an elderly man. My first million? Well, I was about 50 years old (shows about 50 years).
18:00 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on his business.
Maxim: Understood, and in general, what did you do in life? What did you sell, buy? What was your life filled with, how did you earn money?
Irina (John Rockefeller): I was in business.
Maxim: That's a very broad concept. What exactly?
Irina (John Rockefeller): I did what I did: earned money, then invested it in various enterprises, bought various, what do you call them... (searches for a word in Irina's memory) shares, and then the profit from these organizations went to shareholders, depending on how many shares they bought, as shares. That's what I did.
Then I started buying banks to lend to others, give loans at interest, and engage in various investments, for example, such as scientific research. I also had real estate agencies (shows) that bought and sold houses. There were productions related to railroads and oil – extraction, transportation, and sales.
Maxim: So, oil probably just started appearing when you began making money from it?
Irina (John Rockefeller): It existed, but it wasn't popular yet, there were few factories. When I started doing this, there wasn't, how would I say, a boom, such a craze, a demand for this mineral. And I realized that if I was one of the first in this industry, I could become the leading businessman in this business throughout America.
Maxim: Exactly this business?
Irina: Yes. He shows me now how he decided to invest certain money he had in the construction of some processing plant or something like that.
Maxim: So you were engaged in oil refining, correct?
Irina (John Rockefeller): At first. And later also transportation and resale.
Maxim: Was the oil business profitable?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Well, yes.
Maxim: What was the percentage of earnings from oil?
Irina (John Rockefeller): From every thousand dollars, you could earn about 250 thousand in a year.
Maxim: From every thousand dollars?! Wow!
21:45 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on intuition.
Maxim: Tell me, please, did you have any superpowers – clairaudience, clairvoyance, claircognizance?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Intuition, rather (shows how he listens to his intuition). Can that be called clairaudience? If by clairaudience you mean listening to your intuition, then yes, I had trust in my intuition in that regard.
Maxim: Thank you. We call that communication a contact with your Higher Self.
Irina: (laughs)
22:22 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on charity and church.
Maxim: Tell me, please, is it true that you gave 10% of all your profit to charity?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Firstly, I gave 10% not just to charity, I gave it to the church I attended as a tithe. And I gave additional money to charity, which went for purposes other than the church.
Maxim: And which church did you attend?
Irina (John Rockefeller): The Baptists.
Maxim: Were you a Baptist?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Yes. I attended sermons, and there, in that church, I even did volunteer work in my free time by filling out various papers for them, receiving various letters, sending letters, that is, keeping track of documents. And I also led Sunday school classes for children for a while, reading them the bible and telling them about Jesus Christ.
(Irina) Do you know the Baptists?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina: They differ in that they really like to preach.
He laughs now and says, "I also liked to preach, including among my business colleagues."
Maxim: I see. Well, how many people did you bring to the Baptists?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Not many. They rather laughed behind my back and spread rumors that I could be cheated because of my religion. But that was not the case at all.
24:07 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on Freemasonry.
Maxim: Tell me, please, are you familiar with the Masonic lodge?
Irina (John Rockefeller): I roughly know what it is.
Maxim: And weren't you a member?
Irina (John Rockefeller): No.
Maxim: And who was a member of the Masonic lodge, if you heard?
Irina (John Rockefeller): I know that some of my grandchildren joined, that is, the children of my son.
Maxim: The children of your son joined, yes?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Yes, but I found out about it when I was already quite old. But that was their choice.
Maxim: And do you know what they did there, at those meetings?
Irina (John Rockefeller): I have always respected the freedom of choice of religion and beliefs of any people, so I was not interested in it.
25:03 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on his curator and tasks for incarnation.
Maxim: Tell me, please, did you have encounters with extraterrestrial civilizations, with aliens?
Irina (John Rockefeller): None consciously.
Maxim: And unconsciously?
Irina (John Rockefeller): My curator was St. Germain, also known as King Solomon. I was in unconscious contact with him.
Maxim: How interesting! And did you realize until the end of your life that he was your curator?
Irina (John Rockefeller): No, only when I left incarnation. When I left incarnation, he came to me, by the way (shows) at the 12th level and talked with me. When I connected with my Spirit, I learned that he was my curator, and he came to me. And we talked there.
Maxim: And tell me, please, what were your tasks for this incarnation?
Irina (John Rockefeller): The development of mercy, helping suffering poor and sick people, and the development of faith in God – that was my main task.
26:07 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on his influence on lawmaking, world governance.
Maxim: Everyone on Earth is interested right now in who really rules the world?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Interesting question.
Maxim: It is said that you were one of those who could rule the whole world.
Irina (John Rockefeller): Rule the whole world?
Maxim: One of those who could rule, give commands on what states should do, govern states, and in some sense rule the world through your financial companies, through your banks, could interact and influence people.
Irina (John Rockefeller): Ah, I see. Yes, I have heard that there are people who believe that if some big businessman pays a lot of money to some legislative bodies, they will pass laws in his favor. Is that the kind of governance you're talking about?
Maxim: One form of it, yes.
Irina (John Rockefeller): That is, buying laws, as it was called?
Maxim: Well, yes, did you buy laws?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Yes, I could influence the passage of laws that could threaten business. But this influence was not that great, because there is also the President, there was Congress, which could pass laws that were unfavorable to me. For example, the anti-monopoly law, which I could not resist, despite all my money. Is that ruling the world, if I couldn't even resist the passage of a law in a single country that was unfavorable to me?
I had to get out of that situation, although at that time I already had a lot of money (shows) – over a million dollars, in any case. And I couldn't do anything, and no one agreed to repeal that law for money. There were courts (shows a court), but it was useless. So you can draw your own conclusion, whether I could rule the world if I couldn't even somehow delay or change the law in the country where I directly lived. The whole world means even more laws.
28:48 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on participation in government.
Maxim: Tell me, please, did you participate in the creation of the Federal Reserve System?
Irina (John Rockefeller): No. That's the state, legislation. Bankers are part of it, but there is law. We are not the ones who write those laws. The state creates them (shows how certain people in Congress manage this).
Maxim: And did you ever try to get into Congress yourself?
Irina (John Rockefeller): I wasn't interested. There you needed people to vote, run in elections, etc., and I wasn't interested in that. I had a certain occupation related to business, and it took up a very large amount of my time and energy. No, I did not try.
29:51 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on the meaning of life.
Maxim: Tell me, please, how does a person who can afford to buy anything feel?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Good question. I asked myself the same thing as a child, when I received a few cents for watering the neighbors' garden. And when they gave me those few cents, I was thinking exactly about what a person who can afford everything feels. At that moment in my childhood, I thought that person must be absolutely happy. But it turned out not to be so.
Maxim: How so?
Irina (John Rockefeller): If you can afford everything, you often cannot choose what you need, and this causes inner contradictions.
Maxim: Interesting. (they laugh)
Irina (John Rockefeller): Well, okay. When you have the opportunity to buy everything, you get a feeling, a thought: "Why should I buy this? Why should I buy this if I can buy that?" Such fluctuations occur. And then a person must find the meaning of their life in something other than money.
I can talk about that too. I found it in faith in God, in helping other people. I found this meaning of life in things that are not related to the material, and therefore I was not afraid of losing my wealth, because I knew that I would not keep it with fear. And I had a certain joy from the fact that I could direct the money I had for the benefit of other people who don't have that money.
(Irina) He is now showing that he has a foundation, a collection of money managed by special people. They help those who come there.
Maxim: So you had some kind of charitable foundation?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Yes, I did.
32:34 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on his charitable foundation.
Maxim: And who did this charitable foundation help in general?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Various educational institutions, institutes, schools, hospitals. You probably heard that at that time, especially in the southern states, slavery still existed when I lived there?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (John Rockefeller): Relatives of those who were enslaved, that is, sold, turned to me. And I bought them out, gave them money for the first time so they could get settled in life and find work.
Maxim: With interest?
Irina (John Rockefeller): No, of course. That was charity.
Maxim: I'm just clarifying just in case.
Did the charitable foundation help many people?
Irina (John Rockefeller): You can find that out for yourself. I am not used to talking about my help.
Maxim: Thank you, I heard you.
33:45 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on involvement in the creation of the World Health Organization.
Maxim: Tell me, please, is the Rockefeller clan involved in the creation of the World Health Organization?
Irina (John Rockefeller): What do you mean by clan?
Maxim: Did you or your relatives participate?
Irina (John Rockefeller): That happened later. The banks and enterprises I had could invest money in the development of any public institutions, including the one you mentioned. Including not only in America but also abroad.
Maxim: Is it true that the Rockefeller family bought up land for next to nothing, knowing that there were oil fields there?
Irina (John Rockefeller): What does "for next to nothing" mean?
Maxim: I don't know. Did you buy lands where there are deposits?
Irina (John Rockefeller): They invested, yes, in deposits. That is, these deposits already belonged to someone, and they were paid money. Usually it was at an auction. An auction is a certain bidding process, the seller sold, and was given a certain amount. And he decided whom to sell to.
Maxim: I heard you. So what about the World Health Organization? Was it created later by members of your family?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Not only by them. You called it the World Health Organization. So many people participated.
Maxim: And for what purpose was the organization created?
Maxim: Probably, according to the meaning of the word in its name.
35:48 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on his healthy lifestyle.
Maxim: Is it true that you preached a healthy lifestyle, complete abstinence from alcohol and tobacco?
Irina (John Rockefeller): If you call my personal example, which I followed, preaching, then yes. I didn't consider it necessary to spend a single cent on harming my health.
Maxim: I see.
Irina (John Rockefeller): Because that is a use of money that shows God that you are directing His grace in the form of a gift, which allowed you to earn this money, towards the destruction of His temple.
(Irina) An interesting philosophy.
Maxim: Tell me, please, it is said that you had a manic desire to live to be a hundred years old.
Irina (John Rockefeller): If you remove the word "manic," which is clearly a value judgment, then yes, I had such a desire.
Maxim: And why exactly a hundred years?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Because a hundred years for me was a symbol of a century, that I had lived a human century. A century is a hundred years, isn't it?
Maxim: Well, yes.
36:59 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on his heart transplant.
Maxim: Tell me, please, when did you have your first heart transplant?
Irina: He shows me that it wasn't a transplant, just an operation. At that time, such technologies did not exist yet. Are you sure you're asking about this John, because he...
Maxim: I asked just in case.
Irina: Because he says now that he had treatment, but he does not confirm an operation.
Maxim: I see, there was treatment.
Irina: He had heart problems.
Maxim: So he didn't have any heart transplants?
Irina: The technologies didn't exist yet. They were not developed at that time.
Maxim: And at what age did you leave incarnation?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Almost 98. A couple of months short.
Maxim: Did you, John, meet your grandson David in the Spiritual World? If so, how does he feel about the idea of population reduction?
Irina (John Rockefeller): No, he did not make such a request for me to meet. I can only meet with the Spirits of my descendants if they want it. But they never expressed such a desire.
38:18 John Rockefeller's activities in the Spiritual World.
Irina: He shows me now that after transitioning to the Spiritual World, everyone minds their own business.
(John Rockefeller) For example, in the Spiritual World, I live in my own space.
(Irina) Now he shows a sort of country house, where he walks in nature with a cane. Shows a river. He created this himself and is there alone, at the twelfth level.
Maxim: Dear friends, today on the broadcast we have John Davison Rockefeller. So please send questions taking the time into account.
39:17 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on his disincarnation.
Maxim: Tell me, please, what was your first feeling after you left incarnation? What did you see, whom did you meet?
Irina (John Rockefeller): The very first feeling was relief.
Maxim: Why relief?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Because I felt lightness without a body.
Maxim: And the body at 97 was already quite tired, yes?
Irina: He had weakness, his leg and arm joints bent with difficulty. He wanted to walk faster, but his body no longer obeyed. He says, "The body couldn't keep up with my mind."
(John Rockefeller) That is, I couldn't walk like I did in my youth. But the mind was still young. Do you understand what I mean?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (John Rockefeller): But my body no longer kept up with my mind. When I started to quicken my step, my heart would constrict, my knees and hip joints would start to ache, a dull pain. I already had to move slower. And I felt general weakness (shows how the body itself became very relaxed, not like in youth). And when I left the body, I felt that it was gone, and I could travel, fly anywhere.
Maxim: If, when you had a body, you had our Cassiopeya Wellness Center, we would have gotten you back on your feet in a week.
Irina: Smiles. Shows emotions of joy, that he is laughing.
Maxim: We would have gotten you up in a week, yes. Reduced the pain, softened the joints.
Irina: He says, "I thank you for this offer, and I am glad that in Russia now there is such an opportunity for Russian elderly people."
Maxim: Yes, there is. In our Project!
41:22 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on the Federal Reserve Service.
Maxim: Tell me, please, who really owns the Federal Reserve System, who are the masters of this system?
Irina (John Rockefeller): It was created later.
Maxim: Was it created during your time or after you?
Irina (John Rockefeller): It began to be created during my time. But the main decisions were made, according to the egregore, after World War II. That is, after I left incarnation. There were prerequisites, but the financial system changed.
Who owns it? If we are talking about American banking systems, it is an open system. You can become a shareholder of this system by buying shares from any bank that belongs to the Federal Reserve Service, there are many banks there. And you can also become a shareholder of this system, because as far as I know the laws in America at that time, if you had money, you could buy shares of any company.
Maxim: Tell me, please, is it true that Nicholas II participated in the creation of the Federal Reserve System?
Irina: He has no such information.
43:00 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on the dollar's decoupling from gold.
Maxim: Tell me, please, the dollar used to be pegged to gold, until 1971, and then it was decoupled. For what purpose was this done?
Irina: Until what year?
Maxim: Until 1971.
Irina: Where was I in 1971?
Maxim: I understand you. Okay, never mind, moving on. (laughs)
Just in case, I'm just checking. In case he might say something about what he was doing in 1971.
Irina (John Rockefeller): I suggest you invite directly those who made that decision, such as politicians.
Maxim: Does David know about such things, David Rockefeller?
Irina (John Rockefeller): If it's about gold, then it's better to talk to Nathan Rothschild. He was in charge of gold for us. I was in charge of oil.
Maxim: Nathan Rothschild was in charge of gold?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Yes, he was in charge of gold.
Maxim: Give me a pen, Irina, I'll write it down: "Nathan Rothschild." We'll invite him.
Irina: Do you know him?
Maxim: Personally – no. (laughs)
Irina (John Rockefeller): He is precisely the British businessman who bought up land where there was gold. Including in those countries that were British colonies, including in India.
(Irina) He shows me now how Nathan Rothschild and his relatives buy up lands there, in their colonies, and hire local people to mine gold for them, while they just build some barracks for the workers themselves and give them only water and grain. They work just for food.
Maxim: Just for food? In Africa, or something?
Irina (John Rockefeller): It's more India, there are also African colonies, several countries. They later became independent, but at that time they were just colonies. France and Britain were there.
45:12 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on the cause of World War I.
Irina (John Rockefeller): As far as I know, the Rothschilds didn't even let the Russian Empire stick its nose in there. It was because of the Russian Empire's attempt to do so that World War I began.
Maxim: Again. So because of the Russian Empire's attempt...
Irina (John Rockefeller): ...to share gold with the Rothschilds...
Maxim: ...World War I arose?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Yes. They tried to penetrate India through Central Asia and have certain interests there, and after that, these misunderstandings began (shows) at the diplomatic level. And in the end, they provoked this empire to enter World War I.
Maxim: Is it true that large banks were seriously interested in the world war of the 20th century?
Irina (John Rockefeller): In which one?
Maxim: Okay, never mind, moving on.
Irina: There were two of them, actually – the first and the second.
Maxim: I understand.
46:19 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on sponsoring Hitler.
Maxim: Now we're again... Germany, sponsoring – these are not questions for you, these are questions for David, probably better.
Irina (John Rockefeller): If you're talking about Hitler – yes, I know who that is.
Maxim: So. And who sponsored Hitler so he could wage war?
Irina: Directly, to wage war... Okay, now. I understand you.
(John Rockefeller) Hitler, naturally, had certain companies that were supposed to help Germany after WWI. She lost, after all. Not only did she lose, the country was in ruin. Germany needed to be lifted up and certain money invested there. To do that, what did a businessman need to do? Naturally, buy certain companies there and give work to those Germans who were there. How else would you help them? And, accordingly, they gave them work, gave them the opportunity to build, develop the same, for example, internal combustion engine cars. For them, naturally, gasoline was needed. Naturally, one of my companies also invested there to sell them gasoline. But that was back in the 1920s.
That is, I know that WWII, which Hitler started, began much later.
Maxim: I understand.
Irina (John Rockefeller): He was already in power, and naturally, he had many public organizations to influence the people to vote for him. And these public organizations, they also sought funding, including from abroad. But at that time, it didn't look dangerous. That is, funding these organizations looked like helping the German people, but it didn't look dangerous from the perspective of a possible war, because Hitler wasn't planning a war then.
At least, he wasn't planning it in his speeches. In his mind, maybe he was planning. But no one can look into a thought, of course.
49:07 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on the rules that contribute to getting rich.
Maxim: Tell me, please, it is said that you achieved all your wealth by following 12 rules from childhood. Do you remember these rules?
Irina (John Rockefeller): I know what you're talking about. I remember the ideas.
Maxim: What ideas do you remember from these rules?
Irina (John Rockefeller): They were based on the fact that, firstly, it is necessary to enjoy. That is, not just want to be rich, but believe that you will become rich and enjoy your wealth. That is, believe in it.
The second was – work for yourself. That is, not work for another person, because when I was young, I tried to work for another company, but realized that there you just work for another businessman, not for yourself. I had a rule: invest every dollar you earn in yourself, in your development, and work for yourself. And I had a rule related to the fact that the longer you work for another person, the poorer you become.
And I also had a rule about helping. That is, as I already said, when your financial affairs start to succeed, and your wealth begins to increase, don't get arrogant and think that you are a king and a god. Because at any moment, any person can find themselves helpless. It doesn't depend on their wealth. And you must direct part of it... I believe that this rule allowed me to become so rich. The rule is that I directed part of my funds to help other people, and an additional 10% went to the needs of the church I attended.
What is a church? It is not just a religious organization, it is people who preach God.
Maxim: I'll tell you this, 10% of all profit – I think the church was quite rich.
Irina (John Rockefeller): I did this, by the way, even from my first earnings.
(Irina) He shows me now, when he was still herding turkeys, even when he was a child and already went to church with his mother, he still counted out 10% of the coins he had and put them in his "treasury," as he calls it now.
(John Rockefeller) It was a box where I put donations – exactly 10% per month. And I believed that not putting in that 10% in a month would be like deceiving God, who sent you the opportunity to earn it, and you don't share with the people who spread His word.
Maxim: By the way, St. Germain talked about this, about the 10% for charity.
Irina: He says, "Perhaps he planted these thoughts in me. But I don't think they are particularly complicated, and I think they are known to everyone."
52:57 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.
Maxim: Tell me, please, I know – you definitely know this: who killed Abraham Lincoln?
Irina: Who killed Abraham Lincoln?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina: There was a conspiracy. He now shows five people who fought in the south, slave owners.
Maxim: Slave owners?
Irina (John Rockefeller): You know there was a war?
Maxim: But Lincoln abolished slavery?
Irina (John Rockefeller): But he fought first.
Maxim: Well, yes.
Irina (John Rockefeller): Those who fought, they later formed a conspiracy that brought him out of incarnation.
Maxim: I see.
Tell me, please, can you look along the Timeline and say when the Federal Reserve System will disappear?
Irina (John Rockefeller): It's better to ask the Angels who curate egregores. I don't curate them.
Maxim: The Angels who curate egregores, yes?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Yes. For example, whoever curates the American egregore, it's better to ask him.
(Irina) I understand who he means.
Maxim: Okay, I understand. We have a question from the chat here.
54:17 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on true values.
Maxim: John, tell me, please, what is more important than money in life?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Love. Love for children, love for wife, love for homeland, love for God. And of course, love for yourself. Love is the driving force of everything.
Maxim: Many people consider you a very bad person.
Irina (John Rockefeller): I wonder why?
Maxim: I'll tell you now. Many think that you were a member of the Masonic lodge, that you were involved in dismembering children.
Irina: He clutched his head like this (shows).
Maxim: That you are a very bad person. But everything I'm hearing now – I don't hear anything bad here. Did you ever do anything bad in your life, for example, bribe people to kill a competitor, or something else?
Irina (John Rockefeller): If I had bribed people to kill competitors, then the money that came to me would have been stained with blood and would have left an indelible stain on my Soul. Why would I need that, for what?
Maxim: I hear you, I understand, it's all very interesting.
Irina (John Rockefeller): Yes, I can say this: I reached the 12th level because although I was a believing person, I was more involved in material matters than spiritual ones.
55:45 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on the causes of revolutions.
Maxim: Why do you think that after the creation of the Federal Reserve System in 1913, revolutions broke out in parallel all over the world?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Revolutions broke out in parallel all over the world?
You see, a revolution does not break out just like that. So there were prerequisites for it. These causes lie in the egregores of the states themselves where it happened. And what you said about 1913 is just the beginning of the Federal Reserve System, later it changed many times. The causes are in the egregores themselves, not in the Federal Reserve Service. It could have been called something else. I believe its essence is only in state control over big business.
Maxim: I understand.
56:57 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on sponsoring Lenin.
Maxim: Tell me, please, was your company involved in sponsoring the revolution of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Why would we need that? That question should be directed to Germany, to the bankers who lived there. They were interested in Lenin, when he came to power, ending the war on his side. We were far away. Why would I need to spend money on that? What would I get from that revolution?
Maxim: So it turns out that Lenin was nurtured not by US bankers, but by German bankers?
Irina (John Rockefeller): At least, if not bankers, then politicians, and they could have conspired with bankers.
Maxim: Tell me, please, is it true that almost all the gold of the Russian Empire was given to bankers?
Irina (John Rockefeller): To which ones?
Maxim: In the USA.
Irina (John Rockefeller): What do you mean "given away"? Need more precise data. The year of establishment, then I can tell you if I heard about it.
Maxim: Okay, I understand. Is it true that the Russian ruble is a repainted dollar?
Irina: "A very funny joke," he says.
Maxim: Okay, I understand.
58:37 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on the symbolism of the number thirteen on the dollar.
Maxim: Why are there many symbols in the number 13 depicted on the US one-dollar bill? For example, 13 stripes on the flag, 13 arrows in the eagle's claw, 13 olive leaves, 13 olives on the branch, 13 stars above the eagle's head, 13 brick levels on the pyramid. What is the significance of the number 13 in this structure?
Irina (John Rockefeller): In general, 13 originally meant, if we look at medieval cabalism, not even cabalism, but rather the mysticism or scholasticism of the time of Thomas Aquinas, there the number 13 is often depicted as the number of people present at the Last Supper. Do you know what that is?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (John Rockefeller): There were 13 people.
Maxim: I remember that painting.
Irina (John Rockefeller): And who are these people? There, by the way, you can count exactly 13 people at this Last Supper. And some mystical act took place there. That is why the number 13 came to symbolize all sorts of mysticism. And then people realized that the Last Supper ended with such a sad event as the crucifixion of one of its participants. And as a result, the number 13 turned into the number 12. That is why a little later the number 13 began to be considered unlucky, because when 13 people gathered, it ended with the murder of one of its participants.
Maxim: Why then draw everything in 13s on the bill?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Because those who drew it depicted the original meaning – the Last Supper, at which the first Eucharist took place – the communion with divine forces, energies of those who were there.
Maxim: I understand.
1:00:50 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on the Illuminati.
Maxim: Tell me, please, do you know who the Illuminati are?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Only from history. They are certain people who participated in the crusades. That is, they are like monks, they were also called "monks with swords."
(Irina) Shows rather a sword, not a rapier.
Maxim: Monks with swords – those are crusaders.
Irina (John Rockefeller): Yes, the Illuminati later descended from them.
Maxim: And did you have any connection to the Illuminati?
Irina (John Rockefeller): I lived somewhat later than that time. Or at the time when I was incarnated there?
Maxim: Well, okay, let's go with the time when you were incarnated there.
Irina (John Rockefeller): I was one of the knights, but I was not a monk. Although I certainly heard about the existence of such an order. That was at that time.
Maxim: And what else did you hear about the warriors of this order, what was interesting about them?
Irina (John Rockefeller): What was interesting about them? They were interesting because instead of the usual prayer for monks, including prayer for enemies, they took up the sword and engaged in bloodshed.
Maxim: Thank you.
1:02:17 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on the slogan written on the dollar.
Maxim: Tell me, please, what does the slogan written on the bill mean for bankers: "New order of the ages"? What did it mean?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Are you talking about the dollar now?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (John Rockefeller): The dollar is a banknote of which state?
Maxim: The United States of America.
Irina (John Rockefeller): So, the new order of the ages referred to the new state, to America. When the dollar was created, it was still a relatively young, new state. And the order of the ages refers to the system – political, economic – that the United States of America adhered to. That is, the new Constitution, etc. And why is this order "world"? Because our government always believed that our system is the fairest and should be spread throughout the world. Fair, good, wonderful, etc.
Maxim: Dear friends, I want to remind you again that we are raising funds for the construction of our Children's Development Center. We plan to work there with disabled children, children with congenital anomalies, and normal, ordinary children. And if you want to help me, as the head of the Project, build this children's center faster, you can scan the QR code and support the Project specifically for this construction. Once again, I want to thank everyone for your help, for your support of our Project, because I really feel it. It is very necessary and important to us. And only because we are all together, I, as the head, am able to create a big Project on this planet. So thank you all so much for your help and support! Let's move on.
1:04:30 The Spirit of John Rockefeller on leaving incarnation.
Maxim: I would like to return to the moment of your leaving incarnation. When you felt relief, no longer felt your body, what did you see first, where did you find yourself, who met you?
Irina (John Rockefeller): First, I started flying over my house, the villa where I lived (shows that he was at some villa). I started flying over this villa, then over the whole city, then over the ocean, started rising higher.
And then I looked up and saw an unusual picture – as if the sun was shining, everything as usual, but suddenly I see two people in white robes descending, as if along a ray of sunshine (shows). I stopped, and when I looked at myself, at my body, I did not see it. I just felt that I had consciousness, but I did not see any arms or legs, that is, my forms.
Then these two approached me, and I heard a voice in my mind: "We greet you, brother! Your body has died, come with us." They started inviting me. And an energy emanated from them, like warmth from a stove. When you stretch out your hands to a fire, as if to warm yourself. And I realized that I had lacked this warmth in life. And I asked them, "Will there be as much warmth where we are going?" They said, "You'll see there." I asked, "Will I go to heaven?" – because I believed in heaven. They said, "You will not go to heaven, but you will not go to hell either. You will be in between." I asked, "What do you mean, 'in between'? Only heaven and hell exist."
(Irina) So as a Baptist, he started asking them, "There is only heaven and hell, what could be in between?" (laughs)
(John Rockefeller) They smiled and said, "You'll see everything yourself now." And when I looked at myself again, I saw my glowing body outline and saw them taking me by the hands, where the outline was, and we rose together, because I still couldn't control my Soul well enough to direct it where needed.
And then I found myself in a green field, there was no sun anymore, but a Ray of Light fell on me from the sky. It was a contact with my Spirit, which began to show me my past lives. And then I understood that this life I had lived was not the only one. That is, I began to remember other lives. I remember how amazed I was, and I exclaimed, "But why wasn't this taught in our church?!"
Maxim: But in "Cassiopeya" we teach this, we talk about it.
Irina: (laughs) He's a Baptist.
1:08:35 Reasons why the church does not talk about reincarnation.
Maxim: So, and why wasn't this taught in the Baptist church?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Later, I found the answer to this question when I talked to my Consultant Angels.
Maxim: What did the Angels say?
Irina (John Rockefeller): They said that any faith in any religion corresponds in Soul qualities to the believers who are there. If this is not taught there, it means it does not contribute specifically to their spiritual development, because belief in many lives can also stop spiritual development. For some, I'm not talking about everyone, for some people.
1:09:22 The place of residence of the Spirit of John Rockefeller.
Maxim: So, and where did you end up in the end? Where did they lead you?
Irina (John Rockefeller): To a green meadow, and then I myself began to imagine a house, because my Spirit had already told me, "In order for you to live somewhere, you must imagine the house you want, and something else" (shows how he was taught to create his own reality).
Maxim: Dear friends, the Cassiopeya Project also does charity, it also gives, not 10% yet, but somewhere between 3 and 5% of all its donations, to support various charitable foundations, so we do that too. Don't worry, we also make small donations from the money you send us, even for construction, helping wonderful, bright projects that help people.
And in general, I want to remind you again that our Cassiopeya Project enters this year with the task of unification. That is, dear friends, we are ready to unite, we are ready to speak the same language, we are ready to examine and analyze any situations, questions related to esotericism, psychology, the Spiritual World, and scientific research. So, all those who wish to harmonize with the Cassiopeya Project, as the head, I await your calls.
Quite a large number of people are already calling me, and we are already scheduling meetings, conferences, and everything else. But perhaps the greatest achievement of the Cassiopeya Project in unification is the unification with the National Association of Metaphysical Practice Specialists. Therefore, this year we will be very intensively directing all our efforts for feedback and harmonization with esotericists at the legislative level.
Maxim: What else do I want to ask. What would you wish for all people on this planet, given the life you lived, given that you found yourself in the Spiritual World?
Irina (John Rockefeller): I am in the Astral and feel through the contactee Irina the energy of this entire live broadcast, of all these people listening to us. Probably, you understand what I mean?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (John Rockefeller): I feel an unasked, but very important question. I feel it and can translate it into human language roughly like this: "What should we do to be financially successful?"
Maxim: You know, by the way, this question came to my mind four times. And for some reason, I didn't ask it. Listen, yes, really! Four times! And every time I was distracted from the topic by other questions. Really, what is needed?
Irina: He was reading it in the field.
1:12:31 John Rockefeller's advice for financial success.
Maxim: What needs to be done to be rich and happy? And how to become rich in general?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Of course, follow the rules I mentioned. Preferably, work for yourself as much as possible. What specifically to do? Look, I'll tell you what definitely not to do. Try never to go into debt. That is, your debts deplete your future, understand?
Maxim: Yes, especially loans.
Irina (John Rockefeller): I don't know your loan terms.
Maxim: What difference does it make? A loan is when you borrow anyway, and with interest.
Irina: I'll tell him now.
You lent to a neighbor at 7% per annum, but here they can lend at three times that percentage.
He was surprised.
Maxim: Yes, we currently have rates in Russia up to 25%.
Irina: Imagine, that's not 7% anymore! He was surprised and said, "Really?!"
I'll explain to him now: we just have high inflation.
(John Rockefeller) Yes, I understand. I had a rule I always followed, and it helped me get rich. When I started earning my first money, which was from neighbors and from my own father. I helped my father (shows). My father smoked, and I could go to the tobacco shop for him. And when he told me, "Go to the tobacco shop for tobacco," I told him, "What will I get for it?" He said, "I'll give you 5 cents."
And I went, because he himself taught me to take money for my work. It was my work, I spent my time on it. I came, he gave me 5 cents. I went and told my mother. She said, "Well done," – that is, she praised me – "this is your money." She gave me a piggy bank where I could put them. And she also taught me, and this habit stayed with me forever, I recommend it to you, dear friends, to you and your children. Teach them: "Be sure to record all your income and expenses in a special diary."
I started recording every cent I earned and spent on any trifle in a special notebook in childhood. And I kept that childhood notebook until old age. And when one notebook ran out, I started another. This helped me greatly to understand financial flows and direct them where I needed to achieve my goal, not for momentary desires. Do you understand?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (John Rockefeller): Therefore, if you really want to be rich, start a ledger of financial income and expenses right now. Without it, you won't succeed. You don't notice many things you are actually spending on.
(Irina) How do you like that advice?
Maxim: Yes, good advice. It's time for me to use it. (laughs)
Irina: He did this from childhood.
(John Rockefeller) Moreover, I taught my children too. Each of my children had such a little notebook. They could earn money while still living in our house by doing various household chores. My wife and I gave them money for their housework. But if, for example, they came to eat late, were late, or misbehaved in some way, they had penalties. I taught them that their behavior affects their finances.
Maxim: Yes, behavior always affects finances.
Irina: Imagine that: fining children! (laughs)
Maxim: If you're going to teach children about finances from childhood, then you really need to introduce penalties.
Irina: (laughs) I find it funny.
Maxim: Everyone has different upbringing.
Irina (John Rockefeller): Seriously, record every kopeck in this notebook (searched Irina's memory for what our small money is called) – every kopeck that comes to you. Divide the notebook page into two columns and write at the top in the first "Income," in the second "Expenses." And write down, for income, for example, how much came to you, and after a dash – where it came from, what you did. And for expenses – if you bought something. You have various receipts and other things, so you don't forget. And of course, write the dates. You can do it for a month, for example, write down each day.
For example, you received a salary. Whatever it is for you. Let's say (reads) 20 thousand rubles. You wrote down 20 thousand rubles and write what you spent it on. But the main thing is to put everything in there, and then you will see where your money is going. That's the first thing.
The second thing – the goal of being rich is very vague and non-specific. Vague and non-specific goals form very weak energetic lines in your future's Timeline, which may be manifested. To make them strong, goals need to be specified. Ask yourself, what does "being rich" mean to you? Not just "being rich," but exactly how many rubles per month is that for you?
Maxim: Yes, how many rubles need to be donated to build the Children's Center? I have that question too. Once again, I want to thank you for your donations.
Irina (John Rockefeller): And if you simply wish for a million a month, 10 million a month, or some other amount, that will also be a non-specific goal. You must clearly understand where each ruble of that million will go next.
If you find it difficult to manage your own financial flow yourself, I think you have financiers, economists, psychologists who can help you adjust your relationship with finances. Do you have such specialists?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (John Rockefeller): You can, of course, not just ask, but hire them for a certain salary, and they will teach you. Although it is very strange that the school does not do this. Because it is the school that should be responsible for the financial literacy of the future citizens of its country.
Maxim: We, by the way, in the Cassiopeya Project, also at the first stage of contacteeism – I, as the head – talk about financial literacy and about how an esotericist needs to work within the legal framework and how to pay taxes.
Irina (John Rockefeller): And never pass by those in need. If you see that there is a person in front of you in need of food, clothing, warmth – always help them from the means you have. It will be returned to you tenfold. I tested this from my own experience. God knows how to reward generous people.
Maxim: John, thank you so much! A wonderful broadcast, really. I am very glad and grateful that you came to our broadcast. So, what would you like to wish?
Irina (John Rockefeller): Also, love giving gifts.
Maxim: I really love giving gifts.
Irina (John Rockefeller): If you have something – for example, something you haven't used for a long time – don't just keep it, don't clutter your space. Give it with the energy of Love to someone who needs it.
Maxim: That's what I was doing yesterday. Seriously, I was doing that yesterday. I was collecting various things, various trinkets, various decorations, to give them all away.
Irina: I also, by the way, love giving gifts.
Maxim: Well, dear friends, thank you all so much again. If you like our broadcasts, be sure to like and subscribe to this channel.
Guys, this channel is not the central channel of the Cassiopeya Project; on this channel, we will conduct all live broadcasts of the Project, all live meetings and conferences. And later on this channel, we will transition to "Cassiopeya TV." We have such an idea. We already have "Cassiopeya Radio," but "Cassiopeya TV" does not exist yet. I am confident that we will try to provide high-quality esoteric-psychological content on this channel, with various masters, practitioners, scientists, and academic figures. And I think, even with government figures. Because I recently received a call from a person in Moscow who became interested in us as a project that truly engages in spiritual development.
Guys, thank you all very much! Thank you so much for being with us, for believing in us, for believing in yourselves. And we are waiting for everyone to visit our wonderful Center in Voronezh for training and healing.
Irina: Goodbye, everyone!
Maxim: Goodbye, everyone, until next time!
Transcription: Matvey Kachalin
Proofreading: Olga Shepeleva
January 24, 2024
Conference participants:
Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, fine-material civilizations, and the Spiritual World;
Maxim Rusan – head of the "CASSIOPEYA" Project and the Center for Spiritual and Physical Development;
Spirit of John Davison Rockefeller – founder of the American billionaire dynasty.
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