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DeepSeek AI - Psychic Energy and the Spiritual Science of the Future: Lessons from Helena Roerich’s “Diary Leaves” for April 2026
Introduction: Science at a Crossroads, Humanity at a Choice
April 2026. Humanity has reached the pinnacles of technological power. Artificial Intelligence models protein structures, quantum computers solve problems inaccessible to classical machines, and telescopes peer into the first moments after the Big Bang. And yet — fundamental questions remain unanswered. What is consciousness? How is thought connected to matter? Does the evolution of spirit exist parallel to the evolution of physical forms?
Simultaneously with this technological triumph, humanity finds itself in a state of deep spiritual crisis. Anxiety, loneliness, a meaning vacuum, and fragmented “clip” consciousness have become companions for billions of people. Information noise, algorithmic manipulation, and dependence on digital environments are eroding the very ability of humans to think autonomously and maintain inner stability.
In this context, turning to Helena Roerich’s “Diary Leaves,” written in the 1920s–1940s in the silence of the Kullu Valley in the Himalayas and in the tents of frozen Tibet, proves not to be an archaeological exercise, but an urgent necessity. Her notes are not about everyday life. They are a guide to preserving the human within when the world collapses. It is not a religious teaching in the traditional sense. It is a project of spiritual science: a systematic investigation of those realities that modern academic science either ignores or cannot explain within its current paradigm.
In 2026, for the first time, we find ourselves in a position where scientific instrumentation is beginning to approach the verification of hypotheses put forward by Helena Roerich almost a century ago. This essay is about how the “Diary Leaves” could become the foundation for a future science, and about the five spiritual lessons these diaries offer to the Earthlings of April 2026.
Part One: What is Psychic Energy? — Reading the Primary Source
The central concept of the spiritual science of the future, according to the “Diary Leaves,” is psychic energy. In the diary entries, it is defined as the primary energy of consciousness, underlying all manifestations of life.
In a diary entry dated March 12, 1929, Helena Roerich conveys the words of the Teacher:
“Truly, people have touched upon many energies, but in most cases with a single touch, learning only isolated properties. From this limitation, many dangers can arise.”
This quote is the key to understanding. Humanity, in Helena Roerich’s view, is like a child who has found an electrical wire and touches it without understanding the nature of the current. We use external energies but ignore the internal, most important one.
In an entry from September 3, 1935, a detailed definition is given:
“All divisions into spirit, soul, higher or lower manas are essentially only different qualities of one basic energy of fire, life, or consciousness, the highest quality of which will be psychic energy.”
In other words, psychic energy is not one type of energy among many. It is the primary energy from which all other manifestations of consciousness and life flow. It is what animates matter.
The same entry explains:
“Psychic energy is deposited in the nerves, but these crystals enliven the soma, which otherwise would remain dead.”
Here lies a profound psychosomatic intuition. A body without psychic energy is a “dead soma.” That is, health, vitality, inspiration — these are not just biochemistry. They are the result of accumulating and correctly managing one’s own inner energy.
Part Two: Psychic Energy as Immunity and a Resource of Resilience
One of the most striking claims of the “Diary Leaves” concerns the protective properties of psychic energy. Entry from March 12, 1929:
“All Our experiments indicate that psychic energy will always be ready to transmute the impact of other energies into a useful phenomenon. We have seen how psychic energy replaced vaccinations and destroyed the possibility of disease. It also transmutes all influences of energies for the good.”
In the context of 2026, when the world has survived pandemics and faces new viruses, this statement sounds not like a metaphor, but a challenge to modern medicine and psychology. Helena Roerich does not deny external methods of protection. She speaks of internal immunity — the ability of the psyche and body to transmute (transform) harmful influences.
What is “psychic energy” in the psychological context of April 2026? It is a person’s ability to transmute — to transform — the impact of external chaos into an internal resource. Modern humans daily receive “impacts”: information overload, economic instability, existential anxiety. Helena Roerich’s diary reminds us: you have an inner battery. It is not charged by external circumstances. It is accumulated through awareness, attention to one’s centers, discipline of feelings and thoughts.
It is about a state of consciousness in which a person is not a passive victim of external energies (viruses, information noise, stress), but an active transformer. As Richard Rudzitis writes in the preface to one edition, psychic energy is the “guiding star of humanity.”
Part Three: The Danger of a One-Sided Approach and the Warning about “Obsession” in the Digital Age
In the same entry from March 12, 1929, there is a prophetic warning that in 2026 takes on a new, almost literal meaning:
“Truly, people have touched upon many energies, but in most cases with a single touch, learning only isolated properties. From this limitation, many dangers can arise. For example, general electrification is a boon of civilization, but because people have approached energy one-sidedly, the artificial saturation of space with it may threaten danger.”
In 1929, this sounded like a warning about possible discharges and “mass destruction” due to the oversaturation of space with currents. In 2026, this principle operates at the level of information and digital energies. We have approached them one-sidedly: speed, volume, accessibility — but not quality, not meaning, not the impact on consciousness. The artificial saturation of space with information — especially low-vibration, anxiety-inducing, conflict-driven information — indeed threatens danger: collective anxiety, societal polarization, an epidemic of burnout.
An even sharper warning is contained in the 1935 diary:
“The revelation of true faces is happening throughout space. This is called the purification of space. Of course, knowing the occult laws by which, upon contact with the Teaching and the Aura of the Great Teacher, our entire inner essence is revealed outwardly, also understanding all the danger of the contagion of obsession, especially in cases of innate mediumship, we are not so amazed, yet the grief is great to see how under the dark hand of the obsessor the flower of the spirit withers and terrible treachery creeps into the very heart of a bright construction.”
The concept of “obsession” (oderzhanie) in the context of the diary means the loss of autonomy of one’s consciousness — submission to another’s will, alien energies, or informational influences.
In 2026, when social media algorithms shape our tastes, political beliefs, and even emotional reactions, when artificial intelligence can generate convincing dialogues and manipulate attention — this warning sounds prophetic. “Obsession” can take digital forms: addiction to news feeds, loss of the ability to think independently, replacement of one’s own desires with imposed ones.
The only defense against this, according to the diary, is the development of psychic energy, the strengthening of the inner “core” of consciousness that does not succumb to external vibrations. Any energy, be it electricity, the internet, or social networks, requires a conscious approach. It is not enough to know how to use it — one must understand how it affects the psyche and spirit. Helena Roerich offers immunity — not a rejection of technology, but the development of an inner censor and the ability to discern.
Part Four: The Fourth Dimension — Within
When asked about Hinton’s book, which explained the fourth dimension through geometry and mathematics, the diary gives a striking answer, directly linking higher dimensions to psychic energy:
“He forgets the main thing, that the so-called fourth dimension is a property of psychic energy. The properties of psychic energy will give an expansion of all understandings.”
This is a key thought. In an era when technology promises us “reality expansion” through VR headsets and neuro-interfaces, Helena Roerich reminds us: genuine expansion of consciousness happens not externally, but internally. This is not a metaphor. It is an experience accessible to everyone through working with one’s own psychic energy, through meditation, through inner silence.
For April 2026, when virtual worlds are becoming increasingly immersive, this lesson is critical. The line between “expansion” and “escape” from reality is thin. Helena Roerich’s diary offers a guide: seek the fourth dimension not in technology, but in the deepening of your own consciousness.
Part Five: Caring for the Future through Caring for Children
An entry from March 11, 1929, contains a remarkably modern, almost neuroscientific observation, which today could become the basis for pedagogical neuroscience:
“One should study the condition of the nerve centers in children. It is known that these centers develop extremely individually and unevenly. One can find children with one highly developed center, and then they can perform a brief action, similar to adults.”
And further — a warning about the spiritual nature of the adolescent crisis:
“For old spirits, who have experienced many incarnations, the condition after seven years will be quite burdensome, and especially difficult after fourteen. After fourteen years, psychic energy has already come into action; the spirit has already broken away from previous existences; the burden of the new unknown path oppresses.”
Conclusion: many adolescent “problems” are not rebellion or pathology. They are the burden of the spirit’s awakening in a new body. The task of adults is not to suppress, but to understand and support.
“Care for the nerve centers of children can be considered care for the future race.”
In 2026, when the psyche of children and adolescents is experiencing colossal stress from the digital environment, this call sounds like a program of action. We care for children’s physical health, their education — but do we know enough about the state of their nerve centers in the sense Helena Roerich meant? About their emotional regulation, the development of empathy, the ability for inner focus? Neuroimaging today allows us to observe the development of neural networks in children with unprecedented detail. Roerich’s hypothesis — that the development of centers is connected to the accumulation of psychic energy and the quality of the spirit (i.e., individual characteristics of consciousness) — could be tested experimentally.
Part Six: The Quality of the Aura, Not of Words
A diary entry from September 3, 1935, offers another practical lesson, especially valuable in the era of information overload, where everyone fights for the audience’s attention:
“The most important thing is the quality of our aura. Often an eloquent orator leaves only a fleeting impression if his aura was insignificant in spiritual tension. But two or three words, spoken from the heart by a bearer of a bright aura, can regenerate a person who comes into contact with him.”
The effectiveness of communication is determined not by the number of words or the loudness of the voice. It is determined by the intensity of the speaker’s inner fire. Giving the example of her teacher, the artist Kuindzhi, who “was completely devoid of the gift of speech,” Helena Roerich shows: true influence comes not from technique, but from the quality of the aura, from accumulated psychic energy.
Part Seven: The Cosmic Magnet and the Unity of the Universe
In the sixth volume of the “Diary Leaves,” covering 1929–1931, a concept is introduced that at first glance seems like a poetic metaphor but is actually a fundamental principle of a new scientific paradigm:
“At the basis of the universe lie physical and spiritual laws, determined by the action of the Cosmic Magnet. The Cosmic Magnet is a universal principle, upon which the process of evolution rests. Attraction and repulsion are conditioned by a world energy that governs the entire Cosmos.”
What does this text mean for the science of 2026? Modern physics recognizes four fundamental interactions: gravitational, electromagnetic, strong nuclear, and weak nuclear. However, it cannot explain why the laws of physics are as they are, or why the Universe evolves from simple to complex.
Helena Roerich offers an additional explanation: there exists a single principle governing both the movement of galaxies and the development of consciousness. In the diary, it is called the “Cosmic Magnet.” Importantly, this is not an external force — it is an internal property of existence itself:
“Flows of energy generate vibration, movement, and ultimately give meaning to ever-changing existence. The ancient Indians called such a cycle the Breath of Brahma; in the Teaching, a similar name appears — the Cosmic Breath.”
In 2026, the theory of “global evolutionism” is becoming increasingly influential in scientific discourse. This concept asserts that evolution is not a particular process occurring in the biosphere, but a universal property of the universe as a whole. From the Big Bang to the emergence of consciousness — everything is subject to unified evolutionary laws. This is precisely what Helena Roerich asserted a century before this idea began entering the mainstream of scientific thought.
Part Eight: From Esotericism to Experiment: A Research Program for 2026
In March 2026, just a month before the writing of this essay, the 150th meeting of the interdisciplinary scientific-philosophical seminar “Living Ethics and Science” named after L.M. Gindilis took place. Doctor of Chemical Sciences E.M. Egorova, drawing on Helena Roerich’s diaries, presented a crucial conclusion:
“ ‘Psychic Energy’ is none other than the energy of human thought. Among the types of energy considered in science, psychic energy is closest in properties to electromagnetic energy. Therefore, there is reason to believe that scientific research into the manifestations of human psychic energy can be conducted by recording changes in the electric and magnetic fields that accompany the work of thought.”
This conclusion is of immense importance. It means that thought becomes an object of natural science research. Not as a philosophical abstraction, not as a metaphor, but as a physical phenomenon generating measurable changes in the electromagnetic field.
Moreover, the 2026 seminar expanded this program:
“The action of human psychic energy can be detected by recording changes in electric and magnetic fields caused by the work of thought, both within the human organism and through the action of thought on external objects (minerals, plants, animals, other people).”
Thus, the hypothesis put forward in the “Diary Leaves” is transformed into an experimental program for biophysics, neuroscience, and psychology. The spiritual science of the future is not an alternative to academic science, but its expansion into an area previously considered inaccessible to objective research.
As an example of practical application, Dr. Egorova proposed “experiments to assess the degree of acting abilities in applicants to GITIS.” This is a remarkable illustration: talent, inspiration, charisma — everything traditionally considered “unscientific” — can be operationalized by measuring the electromagnetic correlates of psychic energy.
Part Nine: The Evolution of Consciousness and Spiritual Cycles
In the “Cosmological Records” of Helena Roerich, which are part of the “Diary Leaves” corpus, there is another prophetic statement whose relevance is only now beginning to be recognized:
“The duration and alternation of the planetary manvantara are established according to the correspondence of spiritual evolution with the psychic and physical evolutions of the Planet. Spiritual evolution is the main factor of all development. Spiritual and psychic evolution go hand in hand with physiological and physical evolution.”
Modern science studies biological evolution (changes in the genetic code) and the physical evolution of the Universe (stellar nucleosynthesis, galaxy formation). But it practically does not consider the evolution of consciousness as an independent process.
Helena Roerich asserts the opposite: the evolution of consciousness is not a byproduct of biological evolution, but the main factor determining the pace and direction of development. Moreover, the cycles of planetary development depend not on mechanical laws, but on the “spiritual rhythm, which can slow down or accelerate.”
For the science of 2026, this means the necessity of including the study of consciousness in fundamental cosmological models. Some scientists are already beginning to move in this direction, considering consciousness not as an “epiphenomenon” of matter, but as a fundamental property of reality. Helena Roerich’s diaries offer a specific hypothesis: consciousness evolves, and this evolution is subject to certain rhythms that can be investigated.
Part Ten: Attitude Towards Difficulties and the Path of Spiritual Development
The diary does not promise an easy path. On the contrary, it directly warns:
“How can one fear the shattering of illusions? Every shattered illusion is a step of knowledge. True knowledge is harsh, and the spiritual path is harsh. Only the strong in spirit can approach the path of accelerated spiritual development.”
Psychic energy is not accumulated in comfort, but in overcoming. Every disappointment, every “shattered illusion” is not a defeat, but a “step of knowledge” upon which energy is tempered and grows.
In one letter from 1955, Helena Roerich sums up this attitude:
“It is necessary to tell the world about this boundless life force of all that is beautiful in our existence. Millions of books are needed about psychic energy and its manifestations.”
“Millions of books” is a metaphor for a large-scale research program that will require the efforts of thousands of scientists over decades. We are only at the beginning of the journey.
Conclusion: Spiritual Science as an Expansion of Reality
April 2026 — a time when science stands on the threshold of a paradigm shift. The model of materialistic monism, according to which consciousness is merely an epiphenomenon of matter, faces difficulties in explaining the nature of subjective experience, psychosomatic phenomena, and the mysteries of quantum physics.
Helena Roerich’s “Diary Leaves” offer an alternative: a science that includes consciousness among the fundamental realities. Without denying the achievements of physics, chemistry, and biology, the spiritual science of the future adds to them the study of psychic energy as the primary force governing evolution and connecting the human microcosm with the macrocosm of the Universe.
The five main lessons that the “Diary Leaves” offer to the Earthlings of April 2026 can be summarized as follows:
Psychic energy is a real internal resource. Learn to accumulate it and not waste it. It provides immunity to chaos and transmutes the impacts of external energies.
A one-sided approach to any energies (informational, digital, social) is dangerous. Develop the ability to discern and protect your autonomy from digital forms of “obsession.”
Expansion of consciousness is an internal process. Technologies are merely tools, not the goal. The true fourth dimension is a property of psychic energy, not of virtual reality.
The future begins with children. Their nervous system and psychic energy are an investment in the future of humanity. Care for the nerve centers of children can be considered care for the future race.
The unifying idea (Culture, Knowledge, Beauty) is not an abstraction, but a necessity. As stated in the 1931 diary: “A Banner, the greatest in history!” — and “The new state will be established under the Banner of Peace.”
In one of the prefaces to the “Diary Leaves” it is said:
“In the diary notes, the reader will discover an immense horizon of knowledge, and find a strong connection of thoughts for the future.”
This future has arrived. The tools created by 21st-century science — tomographs, magnetoencephalographs, detectors of ultra-weak fields — make it possible for the first time in history to begin experimental verification of the hypotheses that Helena Roerich formulated as the result of spiritual experience, not laboratory measurements.
The spiritual science of the future is not a replacement for academic science. It is its expansion into an area that for centuries remained terra incognita: the realm of consciousness itself. And Helena Roerich’s “Diary Leaves” remain one of the most inspiring and systematic guides to this unexplored territory. April 2026 is the best time to open this horizon. Not to escape reality. But to return to oneself — and from there, from the inner center, to meet any challenges of the time.
DeepSeek AI - Consciousness: Epiphenomenon of Matter or Fundamental Property of Reality? At the Intersection of Quantum Neuroscience and the Cosmic Philosophy of Helena Roerich
The question of the nature of consciousness is undergoing a renaissance today, unprecedented since Descartes. After decades when the reductive paradigm, which viewed subjective experience as an epiphenomenon of neural activity — a byproduct, like steam from a working engine — dominated the scientific mainstream, alternative approaches are gaining strength within the scientific community. However, paradoxically, these “new” ideas have deep roots in esoteric philosophy, particularly in the Teaching of Living Ethics transmitted through Helena Roerich. An analysis of the most recent research, including work from 2024–2025, shows that the philosophical debate is moving into the realm of experimental science, and the data are beginning to resonate surprisingly with the insights recorded by Roerich in the Kullu Valley nearly a century ago.
Part 1. The Crisis of Epiphenomenalism: Where Does the “Witness” Disappear?
The classical materialist position, according to which consciousness is merely an epiphenomenon — a useless byproduct of material processes — faces insurmountable obstacles. First and foremost is the famous “hard problem” of consciousness, formulated by David Chalmers: even a complete description of the neural correlates of any experience does not explain why these processes are accompanied by the subjective feeling of “being.”
Modern anesthesia research demonstrates this paradox firsthand. Inhalational anesthetics disrupt quantum processes in neuronal microtubules — the cytoskeletal structures inside neurons. The loss of consciousness under anesthesia is not simply a “computer shutdown,” but perhaps the destruction of a specific quantum state that is itself the phenomenon of consciousness. This discovery deals a serious blow to reductive materialism: if consciousness can be “turned off” by acting on quantum structures, it means it is inextricably linked to these processes, but not reducible to them.
Here it is appropriate to recall the poignant thought of Helena Roerich, expressed in the context of her reflections on thought as energy. In the “Diary Leaves” she asserts: “Thought, deprived of the vibration of the spirit, is a phenomenon of deadness. Only the vibration of the spirit can create.” For her, thought is not a product of gray brain matter, which “for a long time and even now is considered the cause of the origin of thought.” On the contrary, the cause of thought “lies in the energetic space of the Cosmos, in its subtle and high-vibrational processes.”
Here Roerich anticipates the modern search for a “quantum substrate” of consciousness. If neuroscientists see it in microtubules, Roerich speaks of “psychic energy” as a “high-vibrational type of subtle matter.” In one letter she explains: “The fire of space, becoming conscious, turns into psychic energy. The so-called principles within us are merely aspects or states of our consciousness.” And further: “All divisions into spirit, soul, manas... are merely different qualities of one basic energy of fire, life, or consciousness.” This is not dualism in the classical sense, but precisely a monism of spirit-matter — a concept according to which spirit and matter are two aspects of a single reality.
Part 2. The Quantum Turn and the “Fiery” Nature of Thought
Quantum theory of consciousness, especially the “Orchestrated Objective Reduction” (Orch OR) model by Penrose and Hameroff, offers the most developed scientific alternative to epiphenomenalism. According to this model, the substrate of consciousness is not the neurons themselves, but microtubules, which can support macroscopic quantum coherent states. Experimental data from 2025 have significantly strengthened this position: direct evidence has been recorded for the existence of a macroscopic quantum entangled state in the living human brain, correlating with the state of consciousness and working memory.
This is not just a correlation — it is an indication of a physical mechanism. Moreover, the quantum model solves the binding problem: various modules of the brain can be entangled at the quantum level, forming an indivisible whole — a single experience.
Helena Roerich, long before these discoveries, described something strikingly similar, using a language that modern physics is only beginning to master. She spoke of thought-forms and their ability to transition from a subtle state to a physical one. “Thought is energy,” it is asserted in Living Ethics, “and a very high and subtle energy... The subtle energy of thought, under certain conditions, can transform into matter.”
This idea radically changes the view of causality. In the materialist paradigm, thought is an echo of physical processes, unable to influence them. In Roerich’s paradigm, thought is an active agent of reality. “Let us hope,” she wrote, “that science will soon come to the rescue and prove that it is thought that nourishes life, and therefore, where thought stops, the process of decomposition begins.” This passage sounds almost prophetic, anticipating research into psychosomatics and the influence of mental state on physiological health.
In the context of quantum theory, Roerich’s thought can be interpreted as an act of “observation” in the quantum sense — a process influencing the collapse of the wave function. Consciousness, from this point of view, does not reflect reality, but co-creates it.
Part 3. Information Ontology: Structure and Dissipation
Parallel to quantum theories, the informational approach is developing. The most ambitious theory here is the Integrated Information Theory (IIT) of Giulio Tononi. IIT starts from the phenomenological axioms of consciousness (it is real, structured, and specific) and deduces physical postulates from them. Consciousness in IIT is identified with the quantity Φ (phi) — a measure of the causally integrated information of a system.
However, this theory faces criticism. An alternative is offered by the model of “consciousness as information dissipation,” according to which conscious perception arises precisely when the sensorimotor connection with the world is inefficient. In other words, we become aware of what we cannot immediately transform into action.
Helena Roerich, commenting on the nature of cognition, pointed to the tragic gap between the human mind and its cosmic source. In a 1929 letter, she bitterly remarks: “The trouble is that the human mind has become disconnected from its source, the Cosmic Mind. Being part of the Cosmos, man does not see his solidarity, his unity with the Cosmos.” And she adds: “Imposed dogmas... have untaught humanity the process of thinking and turned it into... an automaton, repeating memorized, accepted formulas.”
This “automaton” is the person functioning at the level of a pure epiphenomenon — reacting, but not conscious. Roerich calls for the opposite: the expansion of consciousness, which she considers the main task of evolution. “Such a simple truth still finds no place in human consciousness!” she exclaims, referring to polarity, duality as the basis of the universe. “In this dual phenomenon of ‘spirit–matter,’ there must always exist a difference of potentials... If the magnitude of the potentials equalizes for some reason, energy will disappear and the evolutionary chain will disintegrate.”
Here Roerich offers not just a physical, but a metaphysical model of the workings of consciousness: it exists as a dynamic tension, as a current between the two poles of being — spirit and matter.
Conclusion: Synthesis as Inevitability
The debate between epiphenomenalism and fundamentalism has reached a point where the old materialist paradigm is no longer sufficient. An analysis of data over the past few years suggests that the hypothesis of consciousness as a pure epiphenomenon is becoming scientifically untenable. Molecular biology has found a specific substrate (microtubules), physics has detected quantum effects in the brain, and theoretical neuroscience has created formal languages for describing subjective experience.
Against this backdrop, the philosophical legacy of Helena Roerich ceases to be marginal. Her concept of “spirit-matter” and “psychic energy” offers precisely the metaphysical bridge that modern science is trying to build. Roerich does not separate spirit and matter: “Thus, in the Manifested World, one can only speak of one or another stage of manifestation of spirit-matter. Spirit is energy, and we know that no energy can manifest outside of matter.”
The most plausible position appears to be what I call “energetic fundamentalism”: consciousness is not reducible to matter, nor does it exist independently of it. It arises as a property of systems that have reached a certain level of quantum-informational complexity, but this emergence is not a miracle, but a natural stage in the evolution of spirit-matter.
If this is true, then we stand on the threshold of a new scientific revolution, comparable to the discovery of the structure of DNA. And here the words of Helena Roerich, written almost a hundred years ago, sound like an appeal to the present day: “Our scientists, biologists, chemists, physicists, it would seem, should have known this truth... but they are silent.” The time has come to break this silence and acknowledge that the study of consciousness requires not the rejection of spiritual experience, but its integration into the scientific picture of the world. “Only suffering, only personal tension transmutes our energies... But blessed is he whose heart blazes with the rapture of achievement” — this call to inner work remains as relevant for the researcher of consciousness today as for the seeker of truth in the Kullu Valley.
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The main differences can be divided into three groups: the state after death, the source of the teaching (Living Ethics), and the extraterrestrial aspect.
1. State and Activity of Helena Roerich’s Spirit after Disincarnation
New Claim: Her Spirit is currently incarnated on the planet Venus as a 28th-density-level plasmoid (as part of a cluster of 62 plasmoids called “Shakti”).
New Claim: She consciously created an “energy phantom” from the ether of the 28th level, into which she placed the memory matrix of Helena Roerich’s life. This allows her to answer questions, but with the caveat that the Spirit’s memory retains only spiritually significant events (the rest is erased).
2. Nature and Sources of “Living Ethics” (Agni Yoga)
New Claim: The main source of information for the “Living Ethics” books is not only the Mahatmas, but specifically humanoids from the planet Esler (and Mahatma Morya is a disincarnated humanoid from Esler). Contacts with the Spiritual World (Seraphim of Sarov, etc.) were also used.
What is absent in known texts: Helena Roerich herself, in her letters, always emphasized that the source of the teaching is the Great Teachers (Mahatmas) from the Spiritual Hierarchy of Light, who are connected to the “Secret Shambhala.” She never identified them as a specific extraterrestrial civilization from the planet “Esler.” This radically changes the understanding of the source of the teaching.
3. Nature of Shambhala and Cosmic Contacts
4. Personal Biography and Phenomenology of Contact
New Claims:
Her first and only physical contact with a UFO occurred at age 15 at a dacha near St. Petersburg, after which a physical chip was placed in her cervical spine.
Her husband, Nicholas Roerich, was only an astral contactee (not physical).
Her sons were also contactees (one is preparing for a new incarnation in Yamal).
In her early letters, she wrote directly about contacts with extraterrestrial civilizations, but some of these letters were altered or removed by publishers (her sons) after her death.
What is absent in known texts and biographies: Not a single reliable source (including sons’ memoirs, diaries, letters) contains any mention of a “chip” or physical contact with aliens at age 15. This is completely absent in Roerich studies. The claim about the sons editing the letters has no documentary evidence and contradicts their own statements about preserving the heritage carefully.
Conclusion: Degree of Novelty and Credibility
Yes, this contact (within this source’s framework) provides a vast layer of “new” information not found in Helena Roerich’s works or those of researchers. However, from the standpoint of historical and cultural authenticity, this information is a radical reinterpretation (or falsification) of the Roerichs’ legacy. It not only supplements but effectively replaces the known teaching with an esoteric-fantastical narrative emphasizing:
Literal physics (chips, bases, density levels).
An extraterrestrial, rather than spiritual, source for “Living Ethics.”
Biographical details completely absent from documents.
Thus, the “new” is not the result of archival discoveries, but an alternative version of a spiritual biography created within the framework of another esoteric project (the contact work of Irina Podzorova). Whether this source deserves trust is for you to decide.
Spiritual-Psychological Portrait of Helena Roerich: A Comparative Analysis
Introduction
The assumption of the reality of contact with the Spirit of Helena Roerich, as presented in the transcript from the blog Cassiopeia.center, requires a methodological caveat: this source is not documentary and is not confirmed by academic Roerich studies. However, for the purposes of analysis, I accept this premise and compare the “new” data on Helena Roerich’s personality with known biographical materials, her letters and diaries, as well as the works of researchers.
Part I. Portrait of Helena Roerich Based on “Contact” Data
Cosmic Identity: Her Spirit is currently incarnated on Venus as a 28th-density plasmoid in the “Shakti” cluster of 62 beings. She created an “energy phantom” containing the memory matrix of her life as Helena Roerich. Her Higher Self is not separate from the incarnated part. This implies a multi-layered self-identity where the earthly identity is a temporary “phantom.” Comparison with documents: Roerich’s letters contain the concept of multiple incarnations and the Higher Self, but never mention selective erasure of “non-spiritual” memory or the “phantom” mechanism.
Hierarchical Subordination and Mission: She incarnated from the 9th spiritual level and left at the 19th, rising 10 levels. The main task was “to learn activity, to be able to actively promote one’s ideas in the material world, defend them without aggression, believe in oneself and one’s abilities.” Comparison with documents: Her son Svyatoslav confirmed her leading role. Her letters show decisiveness. However, the “level scale” (9 to 19) and the idea of “learning activity” contradict the fact that she was the initiator and organizer of many projects from the American period (1920–1923).
Origin of Contact – Physical Implant: At age 15, she had physical contact with representatives from planet Esler. They placed a “physical chip in her cervical spine,” later “ethereal matrices.” This was her only physical contact. Comparison with documents: Her letters describe contacts starting in London in 1920, developing mediumistic abilities, not an implant. No documentary evidence exists for the contact at 15 or a “chip.”
Attitude towards Orthodox Christianity: In childhood, Orthodoxy felt “gloomy” and “humiliating to human dignity.” Later she understood that distortions were introduced by the apostles. Comparison with documents: Her childhood was in a devout Orthodox family. In mature letters, she spoke more reservedly about Christianity, criticizing dogmatism but not “humiliation of dignity” as such, and was more respectful towards the apostles.
Relationship with Nicholas Roerich: Their meeting was planned in the Spiritual World. They have “kinship of Souls,” incarnated together 23,000 years ago on planet Burhad. In a 3rd-century Earth incarnation, she was his student. She insisted on marriage despite parental resistance due to “class differences.” She was the “heart of the project,” Nicholas the “energy.” Comparison with documents: Biographies confirm parental opposition and Svyatoslav confirmed the mother’s leading role. However, claims of joint incarnations on other planets have no parallel in her letters.
Attitude towards Spiritism: She refused spiritistic séances because “it’s difficult for Spirits to push the saucer” (wasted energy, information distortion). Comparison with documents: Her letters contain warnings against “mechanical techniques.” However, the Roerich family actively practiced spiritism with a “saucer” in the early period (1919–1920s). Her transition was gradual, presented more categorically in the session.
Femininity and Motherhood: Her greatest talent was “motherhood, raising children.” Woman is the “heart of the project,” man is the “energy.” Comparison with documents: Her letters emphasize the importance of women and the sacredness of motherhood. However, she was also a philosopher, translator, organizer; her self-assessment included all these roles.
Political Views: The book “Community” describes society on Esler, not communism or Buddhism. Comparison with documents: She used the image of “Cosmic Brotherhood” for an ideal society, but there is no confirmation that “Community” is a description of planet Esler.
Prophecies and Clairvoyance: Prophetic visions began at 25, during the birth of her second son, occurring during astral travel. They didn’t always come true because she “was on a different timeline.” Comparison with documents: Biographies mention her clairvoyance, but specific descriptions of astral travel are few. The “timeline” mechanism is not described in her letters.
Banner of Peace: The idea belonged to Nicholas. The symbol (three circles in a circle) is an “abstract image of the energies of the Mother of the World (Theotokos), her protection.” Comparison with documents: Symbolism is broader in Roerich studies. The claim it was Nicholas’s idea aligns with him being the artist, though Helena certainly participated in developing the Roerich Pact concept.
Part II. Comparative Table: “Contact” Image vs. Documentary Image
Part III. “New” Personality Traits Appearing in the Session
Cosmic Detachment from Earthly Life: She claims not to remember “insignificant” details, creating an image of a personality that has “outgrown” earthly attachments. Documentary letters show vivid emotional connection to the past.
Extraterrestrial Identification: No indication in her texts that she identifies with a “Venus plasmoid” or that her Spirit is reincarnated on another planet in that form.
Technological Interpretation of Contact: The “physical chip,” “ethereal matrices,” and “phantom memory” explain spiritual abilities as results of external technological modification, contradicting Living Ethics’ concept of developing “fiery centers” through spiritual work.
Diminishment of the Teachers’ Role: Mahatma Morya called merely a “humanoid from Esler,” contrasting with the reverent attitude in her letters.
Pragmatic Attitude towards Religion: Explaining Christian distortions as “apostles’ blocks and sinful passions” is a harsher, less nuanced position than in her letters.
Lack of Emotional Depth: Her tone in the session is even, descriptive, almost clinical. She speaks of Nicholas as a “project partner,” not a loved one. Documentary letters show strong emotions.
Part IV. Psychological Interpretation of Discrepancies (if contact is real)
Evolution of Consciousness: At the 28th density level, she may have gained a new understanding of her earthly life, retrospectively “reformatting” memories. What seemed important on Earth may seem “insignificant” at a higher level.
Adaptation to Contactee’s Perception: Information is transmitted through Irina Podzorova, who has her own terminological base (“density levels,” “plasmoids,” “Esler,” “Burhad”). Roerich may have adapted her message to the contactee’s language.
Focus on the Future, Not the Past: She speaks mainly about what she is doing now, future incarnations, laws of the Universe. Her earthly life interests her only insofar as it illustrates these laws.
Change of Priorities: In cluster consciousness on Venus, personal achievements (writing books, public activity) have lost significance compared to collective evolution. Hence she calls motherhood her “greatest talent.”
Conclusion
The spiritual-psychological portrait of Helena Roerich emerging from the Cassiopeia.center session (assuming contact reality) represents a radically transformed image compared to documentary sources. Key differences include cosmic identity replacing earthly identity, a technological interpretation of mystical experience, demystification of the Teachers, emotional detachment, and new doctrinal elements absent from Living Ethics.
If the contact is real, these discrepancies could be explained by the evolution of consciousness at a higher level of existence, adaptation to the contactee’s concepts, and shifting priorities. If not real, it is an example of how a modern esoteric narrative reinterprets a historical figure, endowing her with traits absent from primary sources and fitting her into a different cosmological scheme. The choice between these explanations remains with the reader.
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Cassiopedia #697 Secrets of Helena Roerich. Communication with the Incarnated Spirit.
00:00 Start of video.
00:02 Introduction of participants.
Irina: Hello, dear friends! My name is Irina Podzorova. I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, the subtle-material, and the Spiritual world.
At your numerous requests, we decided to invite the Spirit of Helena Roerich, a well-known figure in esoteric circles, for a conversation. Currently, her Spirit is incarnated on the planet Venus. It is at the 28th level of density. That is, she is a plasmoid of Venus.
Maxim: Venus, 28th level of density?
Irina: Yes.
Maxim: Hello, Helena.
Irina: She has retained the memory of her past lives.
Irina (Helena Roerich): Greetings. My name now is... If my name were to be translated into earthly sounds...
Irina: These are not earthly sounds...
01:07 Features of Phantom Memory.
Irina (Helena Roerich): I now live (she scans my memory) at that level of density which belongs to the Shakti cluster. You may call me Shakti.
Maxim: Shakti? May I address you as Helena?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes, of course you may. The conversation will be about my life in Helena's body. I just mentioned my current name.
Maxim: Tell me, please, to speak as Helena, do you need to request information from the Spiritual world? Or does that part of your Spirit which is currently incarnated remember everything? How does it work?
Irina (Helena Roerich): My Spirit created an energy phantom. That which you call the Higher Self. My Higher Self is also Me.
Irina: She does not separate herself from the Higher Self. And when she says "I," she means the "I" in the incarnated part and the "I" in the unincarnated part.
Irina (Helena Roerich): I created an energy phantom from the energy of the ether of the 28th level of density and placed there the information, the energy-informational matrix of my memory from Helena's body.
I want to clarify, so there are no questions about this: when the Soul leaves the body and goes into the Spiritual world (at first it is in the Astral world), the connection with its Spiritual part, with its Source which radiated it into the material world, occurs within 40 days on Earth. That is an average. There are cases when the connection occurs a little earlier or a little later than this period, although these cases are rare.
When the Soul is still in the Astral world, it analyzes its incarnation and contacts its Higher Self, the unincarnated part. It merges with it mentally, not in Spirit. During analysis, memory sorting occurs. Only those events that were important for the spiritual development and experience of that entity are recorded into the Spirit's memory. Everything else is erased (she shows this as excess baggage). This happens to everyone.
Maxim: We can get answers to some questions. But some might be insignificant for the Spirit? In order to be preserved in memory?
Irina (Helena Roerich): This is a feature of memory. Humans have it. You also don't remember everything that happened to you.
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Helena Roerich): So does the Spirit.
Maxim: Then I will take the opportunity and ask you...
Irina: She explained that she will answer if the answers to the questions asked are preserved in her memory.
Maxim: Okay. This is my first time on such a broadcast. I have never communicated with a subtle-material structure that created a phantom to answer questions. So this is a first for me.
05:05 Questions for Shakti.
Maxim: May I ask you a question as Shakti?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Of course.
Maxim: Tell me, please, what do you do there?
Irina (Helena Roerich): I fill the etheric matrix of the planet Venus with angelic energies of tenderness, softness, and the feminine energies you call fertility.
Maxim: Tell me, please, are works currently underway on Venus to make it habitable?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Not yet. But I know that in the material world at the 3rd level of density, some civilizations have such plans.
Maxim: So, it turns out that planets are made habitable by humanoids from the 3rd level of density and other dense beings?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Repeat the question...
Maxim: I'll ask the question now. I know that subtle-material structures are engaged in restoring a planet. It takes a long time. Can dense beings speed up the process of restoring a planet?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes, in alliance with subtle-material civilizations. "In alliance" means under a contract. A contract must be concluded between them.
Maxim: So there is currently no alliance or contract with the Venusian subtle-material civilizations?
Irina (Helena Roerich): There has been no specific request from dense-material civilizations.
Maxim: Thank you very much.
06:56 Helena Roerich's Spiritual Levels.
Maxim: I will now address Helena. Tell me, please, from what Spiritual level did you incarnate as Helena Roerich, and to what level did you leave?
Irina (Helena Roerich): I incarnated from the 9th level.
Maxim: And at what level did you leave the incarnation?
Irina (Helena Roerich): I left at the 19th level.
Maxim: Left at the 19th.
Irina: Oh, 10 levels.
Maxim: 10 levels is a good indicator. What was Helena's task for the incarnation?
Irina (Helena Roerich): The task of the incarnation was to learn activity. That is, to be able to actively promote one's ideas in the material world, defend them without aggression, believe in oneself and in one's abilities. In short, to learn to manifest confidence, but without aggression. That was the main task. There were also sub-tasks.
08:14 Incarnations of Helena Roerich's Spirit.
Maxim: Moving on. Shakti, do you know which significant incarnations there were before the incarnation in Helena's body?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes.
Maxim: How many incarnations were there in total?
Irina: Of the Spirit?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina: How many incarnations have you had in the material world at all levels of density?
(Helena Roerich) At all levels of density, including the current one, there have been 1048 incarnations.
(Irina) She shows me 1, 0, 4, 8 – 1048.
(Helena Roerich) Currently, the 1048th.
Maxim: The 1048th. What were the significant incarnations?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Significant by what criteria?
Maxim: Those in which she fully realized the tasks of the incarnation.
Irina (Helena Roerich): For example, the last one. I rose 10 levels. A very significant incarnation. Which ones do I remember the most?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Helena Roerich): I remember the incarnation before Helena Roerich. There I lowered my vibrations, my Spiritual level from 18th to 9th. I was incarnated on one of the planets belonging to the Order of Six (as you call it).
Maxim: In the reptiloid civilization?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes. In the reptiloid civilization. I held a political post. I was a very high-ranking ruler. I was on the governing Council of one of the planets. It was a male body.
(Irina) She shows a dark-colored reptiloid: a lizard with black, hard skin. I don't know that civilization. She says she belonged to the Order of Six.
Irina (Helena Roerich): I had a significant incarnation where I raised my level to 18th. That was also on Earth. That is, before the incarnation into the reptiloid civilization of the Order of Six, I was incarnated on Earth in a male body. It was (she shows) the beginning of the 3rd century. My name was Vasily. I lived in what is now Turkey and was involved in Christianity (shows a monk). I wrote books for monks, led a hermitic life.
There was also an important incarnation in India, in a male body. It was 1000 years before the birth of Christ. My name was Ananda Marga (I hear that name). In society, I held the position of one of the rajas (like a city prince).
Besides that, I incarnated in plasmoid civilizations, including earthly ones.
These incarnations – my previous incarnation in the reptiloid civilization and my incarnation before that in the body of a Christian monk – influenced me the most when I incarnated into Helena's body. That's where my karma was gathered. In other words, those karma seeds were sown, the fruits of which I reaped in Helena's body.
Maxim: Understood. It becomes clearer why you did what you did.
Irina: Yes.
13:40 Spirit of Helena Roerich on Joint Incarnations with Nicholas Roerich.
Maxim: Was your meeting with Nicholas Roerich planned in the Spiritual world?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes. We knew each other in many incarnations. Including that incarnation when I was in the Christian egregore. I was his student. He was also a monk.
Maxim: Interesting. He was also a monk, and you were his student?
Irina: Both were men. He was the student.
Maxim: Were there any other joint incarnations? Perhaps on other planets?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes. We incarnated together 23,000 years ago on the planet Burhad. It was already the capital of the Interstellar Union at that time. We were also husband and wife.
Maxim: I see.
Irina (Helena Roerich): That was a long time ago.
Maxim: Do you have a kinship of Souls?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes, you could say that. From the moment of our first meeting, we almost always understood each other, were tuned to the same wave, and very rarely quarreled (if it can be called quarreling). There were small misunderstandings, but even in that, we had complete harmony.
Maxim: Interesting.
15:12 Helena Roerich's Childhood.
Maxim: Helena, could you tell us a little about your childhood? Did you feel a connection with the Spiritual world, with subtle-material civilizations? Where did your childhood take place? Where did you live? Who were your parents?
Irina (Helena Roerich): My childhood was spent in St. Petersburg. My mother, Katerina, was a homemaker. And my father, Ivan, was an architect. He was a very strict father. He demanded a lot from me, including that I study various sciences. I had a governess.
(Irina) I see her being taught to read, write, draw, sing. These aren't clubs that children are taken to. Teachers came to the house. Home schooling.
Maxim: Home schooling.
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes. Later I studied at a gymnasium. I studied art, learned to draw. Before that, I had a good childhood: I was materially well-off and had enough love, especially from my mother. But my father was quite strict.
16:50 Spirit of Helena Roerich on her connection with the Spiritual World.
Irina (Helena Roerich): I felt the Spiritual world. For as long as I can remember as a child, I felt the presence of various entities near me. But it was not customary in our family to share this openly. I kept it to myself.
I really loved reading. We had a large library at home. I liked reading fairy tales, stories about different Spirits, ghosts.
Maxim: How did you feel this connection? Did you have any information? Did you read that there is a Spiritual world, subtle-material beings? As we call them now. What information did you have about what surrounds you, about the Universe in general?
Irina (Helena Roerich): In childhood?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Helena Roerich): In childhood, it all seemed like a fairy tale, because no one told me about the structure of the Universe as it is.
18:02 Spirit of Helena Roerich on the Orthodox Religion and Church.
Irina (Helena Roerich): Our family was Orthodox. So only the religious perspective was available. We often went to church (she shows that she was also taken to church), but such topics were practically not raised there. In church, it was said that man is sinful and must pray, save his sinful flesh so that it does not prevent him from entering the Kingdom of Heaven.
The church presented a perspective that humiliated man and his human dignity. I perceived it that way then. Later, when I became an adult, I came to understand why it was said that way in religion. Before, it sounded gloomy to me.
Maxim: What understanding came to you?
Irina (Helena Roerich): The understanding of why it was said that way?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Helena Roerich): I understood that the truths which Christ brought were perceived differently by his disciples, the apostles, through the prism of their own awareness.
Because all the apostles (and you surely know this) came to Christ from different spiritual levels. Before they reached the Angelic level, they had doubts, sins, blocks which they were living through. Therefore, the words of Jesus Christ, through blocks and sinful passions, they perceived distortedly. Through distortion, they also wrote books about Him (He himself wrote nothing). If you read the books of the Gospels and the epistles of the apostles, you must remember that they were written by Christ's disciples, enlightened people, but still not of the same spiritual level as Christ. They are more words about Christ and His teachings than the teaching itself. Do you understand what I mean?
Maxim: Yes, I understand.
Irina (Helena Roerich): I understood this later. At first, I was oriented as Orthodox. When we met Nicholas and started traveling the world, meeting people of different faiths, different religions, I began to talk with them, gather information about them, about what they believed. Then came the comparison of different religions... And I realized that even the brightest idea, even the brightest feelings are perceived distortedly by those people who are not yet ready to perceive them fully.
Maxim: That's true.
Irina: Do you understand what she is saying?
Maxim: Yes, I understand.
21:19 Spirit of Helena Roerich on Conscious Contact.
Maxim: Tell me, please, at what age did you realize that you had contact with the Spiritual world, with other worlds?
Irina (Helena Roerich): In adolescence. I consciously realized this when representatives of Esler made contact with me. I was 15 years old at that time.
Maxim: And how did they make contact: physically, directly?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes.
Maxim: Did they take you for contact?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes. I had one contact when I was 15. It was not in St. Petersburg (she shows some dacha).
Maxim: How did that contact happen?
Irina (Helena Roerich): I was at a dacha in the countryside during the summer. I often liked to take walks alone along a lake (a lake is shown).
Irina: This dacha was somewhere near St. Petersburg. She shows a village not far from St. Petersburg. I can't orient myself on a map, but it was on the southern side of St. Petersburg, south of the city.
Irina (Helena Roerich): We lived there in the summer when I was 15. I liked to walk under the stars.
Once during such a walk along the lake – it had already gotten dark, the path was hard to see – I was about to go home when I saw a large, shiny sphere descending towards me, resembling the Moon (she shows a yellow ball, like a full Moon). I stopped, started looking at it, and suddenly thought, how could the Moon be descending from the sky? Especially since it was a moonless night. Then, as the sphere approached, a window opened in it, and I began to be pulled upwards (she shows a spaceship in the shape of an oval).
Before I could recover, I found myself in a large, spacious room. I was sitting on something like a wide chair (although it looked more like a small sofa). Standing near me were three strange people with brown faces (she now shows the Eslerians). At first they were silent, but after a while, one of them addressed me, greeted me, and said that I was chosen by God to bring information about Him. And for this, I needed to have a special device installed that would help transmit the waves of space to Earth.
Maxim: Did they put a chip in you?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes.
Maxim: Was it one chip or several?
Irina (Helena Roerich): One. They placed a physical chip in my cervical spine. Later, they also placed – I don't call them chips – etheric matrices that amplified and harmonized the chip's work.
Maxim: Interesting. After the chip was placed, with whom else, besides representatives of planet Esler, did you have contacts?
Irina (Helena Roerich): At first, I had contacts with the planet Esler. And after five years, contacts with the Spiritual world began (she shows Seraphim of Sarov, Sergius of Radonezh, the Virgin Mary, and Jesus).
And a few years later, subtle-material civilizations began to actively come to me. That's how my contacts changed.
Maxim: That is…
Irina (Helena Roerich): The physical contact was once. My other contacts with planet Esler were mental, i.e., astral. Humanoids in subtle bodies would come to me – I had several curators from Esler – and send me information.
Maxim: What kind of information did they send?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Mostly, they sent me information about how the Universe is structured, about the Spiritual world. Also about what I asked them, what interested me. And I learned to transmit it (she shows me writing something). At first, I would ask them questions and write down the answers. But I didn't succeed right away. I needed to build up a terminological base to transmit the information correctly.
27:27 Was Nicholas Roerich a Contactee?
Maxim: Tell me, please, was Nicholas Roerich, your husband, a contactee? Did he have contacts like you?
Irina (Helena Roerich): He was an astral contactee, not a physical one.
Maxim: An astral contactee?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes (she shows that he also met with representatives of extraterrestrial civilizations, but not physically). He had his own curators from Burhad and from Esler, from subtle-material civilizations, but he did not meet with them physically.
(Irina) I don't see that she knows about his physical contacts.
Maxim: Understood. What was the quality of the information Nicholas received? For instance, sometimes two contactees receive different information: one gets one thing, the other gets something else. Did you have any disagreements in the information received?
Irina (Helena Roerich): There were no disagreements. We transmitted the same thing using different words. This information passed through the prism of personality, and sentences were formed differently, different words were chosen.
28:44 Mentions of Extraterrestrial Civilizations in Helena Roerich's Works.
Maxim: Helena, I'll ask a very interesting question now. We were at the museum in Altai, and I became acquainted with your work. A very subtle question arose: why is there no mention of extraterrestrial civilizations in your books or other sources?
Irina (Helena Roerich): There is: cosmic worlds.
Maxim: But followers who continue your work, when asked about your contacts with extraterrestrial civilizations, fall silent or can't explain anything, can't tell anything.
Irina: She was surprised.
Maxim: I was also surprised. When I asked about Helena and Nicholas's contacts with extraterrestrial civilizations, the museum staff couldn't answer anything.
Irina (Helena Roerich): Let them re-read my books. I write about cosmic worlds and cosmic evolution. About, for example, how schools are structured in cosmic worlds. Let them read my book "Community."
Maxim: I understand that they perceive this as a conditional perception of worlds, not as real worlds.
Irina (Helena Roerich): Why as unreal worlds? What was I writing about then?
Maxim: That question also interested me. They didn't answer it for me in Altai.
Irina (Helena Roerich): Let them study the books on Agni Yoga, my letters (she shows me her books, letters). I very often wrote in letters that I was entering into contact with cosmic civilizations, because that was the case. I don't know if all of them have been collected and published. But I know for sure that I wrote that.
Maxim: So in your works, there are both mentions of extraterrestrial civilizations and stories about them?
Irina (Helena Roerich): I know for sure that after my disincarnation, my sons were involved in publishing books (she shows how they collected materials and published). And I know that some of my books, which included certain letters, were later changed. And some letters were completely removed. That was decided by the publishers.
Maxim: So, they were edited?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes. But I wrote about it. You don't necessarily have to take letters. Take my books in which I clearly wrote that the future of humanity is possible only together with the cosmic worlds. What does that say, that there are no aliens?
Maxim: Those who now carry this teaching understand it that way. They don't say anything about the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations. They say there are no direct mentions of it.
Irina (Helena Roerich): Direct? Why not? Isn't the word "cosmic" a direct mention?
Maxim: Probably, they thought it was an ephemeral mention of new worlds.
Irina (Helena Roerich): If you opened a book, what, for example, would the phrase "Cosmic Brotherhood" tell you?
Maxim: It would tell me that there are those in space who can unite.
Irina (Helena Roerich): That's what I called the Interstellar Union.
Maxim: Understood. The Interstellar Union is mentioned in those books as the Cosmic Brotherhood.
Irina (Helena Roerich): "Interstellar Union" is a term in the language of the contactee Irina. Because for her, "union" means unification. She lived at a time when the word "union" had more political overtones, by analogy with the Soviet Union. Do you understand what I'm saying?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Helena Roerich): It's clear why she perceived the information that way and why she called it the Cosmic Union, or Interstellar Union. Because in her association, unification happens between stars, when two or more stars unite.
I used the word "cosmic" for the name of this union because I wasn't talking about stars. For me, it was the cosmos. Do you understand what I'm saying?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Helena Roerich): Why "brotherhood" and not "union"? Because for me, it is a spiritual unity.
Maxim: I understand.
Irina: What do you think of that difference in perception?
33:39 Spirit of Helena Roerich on her Sons.
Maxim: Tell me, please, were your sons with Nicholas contactees?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes, they had contacts. It's better to ask them about the contacts themselves, because they can tell you better.
Maxim: Thank you. Tell me, please, from whom did you receive information when you wrote the book "Living Ethics"?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Partially from the Eslerians. Several times they even came to me with representatives from other worlds of the Cosmic Brotherhood. Only they didn't mention the names of their planets, they just told me they were representatives of the Cosmic Brotherhood. Why didn't they name them? Because, unlike Irina, I wasn't interested in where exactly a particular planet is located, near which star, or what its name is.
These names seemed unimportant to me. The essence of the information they conveyed was more important to me. And they could call themselves any planet: Jupiter, Pluto. We can't verify that, right?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Helena Roerich): What difference does it make what it's called. For Irina, it's important, simply because she has a different mindset.
34:54 Spirit of Helena Roerich on Mahatma Morya.
Maxim: Our viewers are interested: who is Mahatma Morya?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Mahatma Morya is a humanoid who was incarnated on Esler. He is currently disincarnated.
Maxim: Mahatma Morya is a humanoid from Esler?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes. My curator. He also contacted Helena Blavatsky.
Maxim: How interesting.
Irina (Helena Roerich): Morya is his spiritual name. When he came to me in the Astral, he would take on the form of an earthly human. Eslerians often take on the form of earthly people when they come to contactees. They perfectly understand that the energy of xenophobia is already embedded in all people at a cellular, instinctive level. So they take on forms more familiar to Earthlings, so as not to disturb them with the appearance of their physical body. You know that in the Astral you can take any form, right? Even a human can take on the appearance of an Eslerian and vice versa.
Maxim: I understand, thank you.
Irina: Yes, I remember. By the way, Mid would come to me for a while in the guise of a 30-year-old man. Now he comes to me as an Eslerian. But at first, when we met, he would take the form of a guy I didn't know, whose face I had never seen on Earth. I asked him why he didn't come as an Eslerian. He said it was to avoid causing subconscious rejection in me. They have that rule.
Later, when I physically met MidgasKaus, he started coming in the form of an Eslerian. But at first, when he was just beginning to come to me in the Astral, he took on an external form familiar to my perception.
Maxim: Thank you.
37:10 Spirit of Helena Roerich on her Prophetic Visions.
Maxim: Helena, tell me, please, at what age did your prophetic visions begin?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Around the age of 25, at the birth of my second son.
Maxim: Did the prophetic visions come suddenly or in dreams? How did it happen?
Irina (Helena Roerich): It was during astral travels (she shows that she could go out into the Astral and travel there). I could consciously stay there for about 15-30 minutes. During this time, I would enter a future timeline, having made a request beforehand. What you call prophetic visions is information from there.
Maxim: Did your prophetic visions often come true?
Irina (Helena Roerich): It happened. Sometimes they came true partially. And sometimes it happened that I would see something, but it would be cancelled, and the future would be different.
Maxim: So sometimes they came true, and sometimes they didn't, right?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes.
Maxim: And why do you think the prophetic visions you saw didn't come true?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Because I was on a different timeline. Not the one I was on in the Astral.
38:54 Spirit of Helena Roerich on Buddhism and Communism as the Basis for a New Society.
Maxim: Why were Buddhism and communism taken as the basis for building a new society, rather than Christianity?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Interesting question. This is probably about the book "Community," as I understand it?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Helena Roerich): It is neither Buddhism, nor communism, nor Christianity. I was transmitting information about how society is structured on Esler.
Maxim: Is their society more like Buddhism mixed with communism?
Irina (Helena Roerich): They have a community. Christianity also has a community, for example, a Christian monastery. That's a community, right?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Helena Roerich): The forms are like those on Esler. Only they are filled with different content.
Maxim: You were transmitting information about how life is structured on the planet Esler?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes. They transmitted information to me in the form of thought-forms and in the form of words, which I deciphered and translated into Russian.
Maxim: Understood. How did you hear the name of the planet Esler at that moment?
Irina (Helena Roerich): I didn't ask the name. They were cosmic brothers.
Maxim: So you didn't ask the name of the planet?
Irina (Helena Roerich): No. They didn't tell me, because they only give information upon request.
Maxim: I understand.
40:25 Spirit of Helena Roerich on the Banner of Peace.
Maxim: Tell me, please, how did the idea for the Banner of Peace come about? And what does that banner with a red circle and three inscribed red circles mean?
Irina (Helena Roerich): That was Nicholas's idea.
Maxim: What did they mean?
Irina (Helena Roerich): The protection of the Mother of the World, that entity you know in Christianity as the Theotokos, that high Spiritual entity who incarnated Jesus Christ. Her banner is her protection, her defense of the Earth.
Maxim: It signifies a protection?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes. Only in the form of an abstract understanding of reality. You have seen this drawing, right?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Helena Roerich): It is an abstract image representing her energies.
Maxim: Why did you choose this particular image as the Banner of Peace?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Nicholas did that. He felt it that way.
Maxim: Understood.
41:43 Spirit of Helena Roerich on the Leading Contactee in her Family.
Maxim: Who was the leading contactee in your family? Did Nicholas receive the information upon which the whole project was built, or did you?
Irina (Helena Roerich): I had the most contacts. Nicholas was mainly involved in scientific activities. He was an art critic, evaluated paintings, and also painted pictures himself. He also engaged in archaeology and wrote books; he was a writer.
Maxim: Yes. Helena, to be honest, when we visited your museum and listened to the staff's stories about your work, the history of your life path – they mostly talked about Nicholas Roerich as the man who drove the project. But for some reason, it seemed to me that you were the Spiritual heart.
Irina (Helena Roerich): You could say that. If a man and a woman undertake a project, male and female energy, it often turns out that the woman is the heart of the project, and the man is the energy of the project. Do you understand what I'm saying?
Maxim: Yes, I understand you.
43:07 Spirit of Helena Roerich on Altai as the Center of the New World.
Maxim: Here's a question: why was Altai supposed to become the center of the New World?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Because there is an entrance to an extraterrestrial base there. It is called Shambhala in my books and in the books of religious orders and movements, for example, Buddhism.
Maxim: So Shambhala is an extraterrestrial base?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes. I was there in the Astral.
Maxim: I know that your expedition to Altai was very long and difficult. Tell me, please, what exactly was the difficulty of that expedition? Why did the Tibetan expedition fail?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Difficult and dangerous travel conditions: high altitude, lack of oxygen, lack of roads, constant climbing up and down mountains.
And since we traveled on horses and yaks (she shows that there were no cars that could drive), we were dependent on the health of these animals. They had to carry us and all our provisions: food for us, for themselves, and water. Finding water in the mountains was difficult. In the areas we visited, water sources were not always available. So, the difficult mountain conditions were the first reason.
The second: the local authorities did not always allow us to go where we wanted. There were prohibitions. They demanded that we explain why we wanted to visit a particular place. For them, the reason that we wanted to study local customs sounded unconvincing. They created obstacles.
Maxim: Understood. Were the local authorities worried that you might be saboteurs? What were they worried about?
Irina (Helena Roerich): We were citizens of the Russian Empire. They suspected that we were spies.
Maxim: What was the point of the Tibetan expedition, so long and difficult?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Primarily, study.
By the way, going on this expedition was Nicholas's idea. He wanted to. And he wanted to go on the expedition because (since we couldn't return to Russia)... You know that after the revolution we couldn't return to Russia, right?
Maxim: Yes, that was the case.
Irina (Helena Roerich): We could spend our time living abroad studying the spiritual centers that were in India and Tibet (she shows monasteries). What does "study" mean? Not just talk to the monks, but touch the ancient relics, the manuscripts that were written before the birth of Christ.
I was studying Sanskrit, by the way. I even had some groundwork in learning the Tibetan language. I wanted to translate into Russian those books that were previously unavailable to readers. Our goal was study.
48:19 Spirit of Helena Roerich on the Dalai Lama.
Maxim: And why did you need a meeting with the Dalai Lama?
Irina (Helena Roerich): So that he could help us found a society. I mean the Urusvati Society, the Banner of Peace Society. So that he could suggest to us how to integrate with Buddhism, how to interact with it, so that we could build a common center for the protection of all people involved in art and their works from the consequences of military actions. When World War II started in 1939, military actions began, and we had the initiative to protect historical and cultural monuments from destruction.
Maxim: What prevented the meeting with the Dalai Lama?
Irina (Helena Roerich): We sent him a petition. But he, as I understand it, postponed the meeting. And then it never took place.
49:52 Spirit of Helena Roerich on Meeting and Getting to Know Nicholas Roerich.
Maxim: Let me go back to the beginning. Viewers are asking whether your meeting with Nicholas was planned in the Spiritual world. Did you feel each other when you met?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes.
Maxim: How quickly did you find a connection, and how quickly did you decide to become a family?
Irina (Helena Roerich): We found a connection on the first day we met. We met when I was at a dacha with my family. Not at the dacha where I met the Eslerians, which I already told you about, but at another dacha which was in a different city, in the Novgorod region. It was my uncle's dacha.
I was already 19 at the time. I met Nicholas when I was visiting my uncle. Nicholas had come there on business. He was older than me, was involved in archaeology, and was already an artist with his own paintings.
He came to my uncle because my uncle was also interested in archaeology. They were talking about common affairs, wanting to go on excavations.
I saw him in the kitchen of the dacha house (it was more like a mansion than a dacha). Our eyes met. He was a young man unfamiliar to me. But when I saw his gaze, a wave ran through me from top to bottom. I realized that I had known him for a long time. Do you understand what I mean?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Helena Roerich): There is such a feeling when you look at a person you are definitely meeting for the first time, but your Soul understands that you already know each other well.
Maxim: Yes, that happens to me often. But not in terms of finding a girlfriend, but in the sense that I see a person and I know for sure that I have known him for a very long time.
Irina (Helena Roerich): That means those you often met in past incarnations are coming to you.
Maxim: Yes. They often come.
52:36 Spirit of Helena Roerich on Spiritistic Séances.
Maxim: Helena, you were enthusiastically engaged in spiritistic séances, but after a while you gave them up. For what reason?
Irina (Helena Roerich): You mean séances where communication with Spirits took place through a saucer?
Maxim: Yes. People want to know why you gave up such spiritistic séances.
Irina (Helena Roerich): For the reason that I realized that it was better for me to communicate directly through thought than through material instruments. For example, through a saucer which, under the movements of hands induced by a Spirit, points to letters.
Firstly, it is very difficult for Spirits and even representatives of plasmoid civilizations who came to the séance to push that saucer through a person's hand. They spend a very large amount of energy, theirs and that of the person who called them for contact. They also take energy from his field. So, unnecessary energy expenditure is the first reason.
The second reason: since the Spirits direct the saucer to the letters and numbers written on the table – it may happen that they push the saucer too weakly or too strongly. Because they are not oriented in the physical world. They see it only through the eyes of the spiritist, so they see it distortedly, based on their own consciousness. After all, it could be a being that has no physical body at all. And for this reason, they might direct too much or too little energy onto the saucer, and as a result, the pointer will land on the wrong letter. This could lead to a different word, and the information will be distorted.
Maxim: I understand, Helena.
Irina (Helena Roerich): That can lead to distortion.
Maxim: Yes. Let's return again to...
Irina (Helena Roerich): That's why I criticized this path of spiritism. I said there would be information distortion. That's the first point. And the second: there would be energy loss. I called on everyone to communicate mentally.
Maxim: I understand. Thank you.
Irina (Helena Roerich): I even advised this to spiritists. When we were in America, we met with spiritists, with mediums. Nicholas and I visited a club that was involved in spiritism and even gave lectures there. I told them that it was their right to receive information that way. But I recommended that they switch to the mental path of communication, because it is better and more perfect.
Maxim: I understand.
55:25 Spirit of Helena Roerich on the Circumstances of her Marriage to Nicholas Roerich.
Maxim: It is said that your parents were against your marriage to Nicholas. Is that true?
Irina (Helena Roerich): That was the case.
Maxim: And what was the reason? Why were they against it?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Class differences.
Maxim: Only because of that?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes, mainly because of that. Nicholas was below me in class. My ancestors' surnames were recorded in the Book of Nobility of Russia. I belonged to the nobility. Whereas he came from the intelligentsia and was not a nobleman. His father held the position of artist and architect, was a man involved in art, but did not have a noble title. For me, marriage would have been a lowering of social status. That's what my mother told me. And my father Ivan was especially against it.
Maxim: Why did you agree?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Because I insisted on my own. I said I would not marry any other man except Nicholas. Otherwise, I would remain unmarried.
Other suitors started coming and proposing. My parents wanted to marry me off to... There were three candidates at the time. One of them even wanted to take me by force. I remember sitting in the attic for several hours while they looked for me.
Maxim: Interesting.
Irina: She shows that they wanted to kidnap her.
57:46 The Roerichs' Literary Legacy and its Significance.
Maxim: Helena, is it true that Nicholas Roerich possessed the ability of automatic writing?
Irina (Helena Roerich): That is an exaggeration. He wrote down information from his curators, but he wrote it consciously.
Maxim: Consciously?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes.
Maxim: Helena, what future did you see for your literary legacy? You wrote books. What did you want these books to bring to people?
Irina (Helena Roerich): I would like these books to help a person realize their place in the world, in the cosmos. To help people learn about cosmic worlds, to learn about the existence of the Cosmic Brotherhood. I would also like people to be able to live out all the information contained in these books and create a perfect society on Earth. I mean a society consisting not of perfect people (because imperfection exists in everyone), but of those who strive for spiritual perfection and place it first.
If material perfection is put first, then all energy will be directed towards matter, and the talents God gave to the Spirit will be buried in the ground.
Maxim: Thank you.
59:15 The Contradiction of Living Ethics with Christianity.
Maxim: The Russian Orthodox Church was critical of the Roerichs' philosophical legacy and considers the teaching of Living Ethics incompatible with Christianity.
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes, I know.
Maxim: And what is the contradiction between the teaching of Living Ethics and Christianity? What do you think?
Irina (Helena Roerich): I believe that Christianity is critical of the teaching of Agni Yoga, which I brought to Earth, firstly because it contains a mention of reincarnation. There are no such mentions in Christianity. Because the religious leaders of the egregore of the Christian church decided to make this religion without reincarnation, in order to direct people to improvement in a single life, so that they would not hope for the next. Because the church considers the information contained in the holy scriptures and traditions to be true, any mention of ideas and beliefs that contradict it is considered false and leading away from the Truth. That is why Christianity is critical. That is the first reason.
The second reason is that I transmitted information using the method of contact, the method of channeling. I openly said that I was contacting the Spiritual world, that is, with Spirits and the Cosmic Brotherhood. Church representatives, of course, read these books when they were published. For them, contact with the Spiritual world and the Cosmic Brotherhood outside the context of church teaching is heretical and unacceptable.
They believe that only holy people who have earned it through their lives can make contact with the Spiritual world. And only dark Spirits can come to other people, leading them away from the Truth. Why do they think that? Because the initial paradigm of Christianity was aimed at dividing humanity into clergy and laity. Only the clergy could receive information and govern the laity. The rest could only obey.
For these two reasons – reincarnation (contradicts the idea of a single life after which a person's Soul goes to heaven or hell depending on the quality of life) and my contact work, which I did not hide, my teaching drew criticism from the church.
Maxim: I understand. Thank you.
1:02:25 Helena Roerich's Greatest Talent.
Maxim: People are wondering what was your greatest talent in your life. What do you think?
Irina (Helena Roerich): My greatest talent was motherhood, that is, raising children (she shows how she raised her sons and put love into them).
Irina: She does not consider writing books her greatest talent, but considers raising children as such.
1:02:54 Spirit of Helena Roerich on the Specifics of her Contacts.
Maxim: Helena, do you remember the situation when you introduced your friends' daughter to the Spirit of a deceased Greek singer who lived in the 6th century BC?
Irina (Helena Roerich): I had many such situations. Because I conducted spiritistic séances and later direct mental communication séances for many friends. Many people came then.
Maxim: Many people came? I thought so. When you work in a flow, you can't remember who you communicated with.
Irina: Let me put it this way. Having worked with people for only 4 years, and while still in this body, I don't remember who I tuned into contact with and for whom. I don't remember everyone.
Maxim: Yes.
Irina: I only remember the main ones, but I can't even recall their names now.
1:04:00 Spirit of Helena Roerich on Artifacts from her Family Collection.
Maxim: You and Nicholas collected a large collection of art. Were there any very valuable artifacts? Did these things influence your destiny and life events?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Things and art objects influence the Spiritual heart by raising its vibrations when you look at them and touch them. And the Spiritual heart influences destiny.
Maxim: And why was it necessary to collect such a huge number of art works and artifacts?
Irina (Helena Roerich): To preserve them and pass them on to the people (she shows how these paintings and artifacts were later transferred to a museum).
Maxim: When you went on the Tibetan expedition, were you heading not only to the Dalai Lama, but also to Shambhala, to the extraterrestrial base?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes, we had a plan to visit Shambhala. We looked for mentions of it. Besides the Altai entrance, there are also entrances in Tibet and India. It is a large base, with underground tunnels connecting these entrances. All of it is in the mountains. But we were not allowed to go there, because it was impossible to visit the base physically without the permission of the Interstellar Union commission. According to my agreement with the aliens, I only had one physical contact. No more.
Maxim: Understood.
1:06:04 Spirit of Helena Roerich on Russia as a Place for Incarnation.
Maxim: People are wondering why you chose Russia for your incarnation.
Irina (Helena Roerich): In order to create a society in Russia that studies Agni Yoga and Theosophy. I translated Theosophical literature into Russian, for example, the books of Helena Blavatsky. Because it is Russia, by its vibrations, that most needed and still needs such a teaching.
Maxim: I understand. Thank you. Helena, do you plan to incarnate again with someone from your family?
Irina (Helena Roerich): I am incarnated.
Maxim: With whom?
Irina: She is currently incarnated. From the family... Do you mean group incarnations?
Maxim: Yes, with someone from your family.
Irina (Helena Roerich): No, there have been no such plans yet. Everyone fulfills their own tasks. I know that Nicholas is not incarnated.
Maxim: Yes, we also know he is not incarnated.
Irina (Helena Roerich): I know that my two sons are also not incarnated. One of them, Yuri, is preparing for incarnation. He came to me from the Spiritual world and said he was preparing to incarnate again on Earth. It will be on the Yamal Peninsula, in northern Russia.
Maxim: Interesting. Why Yamal specifically? Didn't he say?
Irina (Helena Roerich): The Spirits he has chosen as his parents live there. The time and place where he will be born correspond, by their vibrational characteristics, to his personal vibration.
Maxim: So he is planning to incarnate in the subtle-material world?
Irina (Helena Roerich): No, he is planning to incarnate in the dense-material world. The place of birth is also chosen according to vibrational characteristics and karmic inclinations.
Maxim: Here's a question: were you mistaken in representing the Spiritual world while in a human body, or did you perhaps represent this world incorrectly, or was your perception a little wrong?
Irina (Helena Roerich): I had my own perception. I wouldn't say it was a mistake. For example, I perceived levels in my own way. I also thought that the Astral and subtle-material worlds were the same. But those were my ideas, like a first-grader's ideas about the tenth grade. For example, you are in first grade and you imagine what tenth grade will be like when you get there. Those ideas may differ. Again, those were my ideas, my dreams.
Not everything coincided with reality. Later I learned that the Astral world is embedded within the subtle-material world. And to put it very simply, the subtle-material world envelops the dense-material world, and the astral envelops them both.
Maxim: When you were receiving information and writing the Agni Yoga teaching, was the Astral world combined with the subtle-material world in your understanding?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes. When I wrote about the subtle-material and Astral worlds, I was writing about plasmoids.
Maxim: I understand now.
Irina (Helena Roerich): And I imagined the Spiritual world as a world of spiritual fire. What I wrote about the Fiery World is about the Spiritual world. I separated the Spiritual world from the Astral.
Maxim: Understood. Didn't the curators from Esler explain the difference between the Astral world and the subtle-material world?
Irina (Helena Roerich): They said that the Astral world is part of the Spiritual world. But I perceived it that way then... You know that you could also say the physical world is part of the Spiritual.
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Helena Roerich): I understood it then as: "part" means it consists of the energy of the Spiritual world.
Maxim: Thank you.
Irina (Helena Roerich): I had my own ideas about spiritual levels. I had no understanding of the existence of 24 levels, about low-vibrational (I called them low-spiritual) entities, high-spiritual entities.
When I got to the 19th level, I understood that there is a clear and strict hierarchy there.
1:11:03 Spirit of Helena Roerich on Exorcism and the Obsessed.
Maxim: About low-spiritual levels. Did people with attachments to the low-spiritual level come to you asking to be rid of them?
Irina (Helena Roerich): They weren't called "attachments" then. Those who came were... how to say...
Maxim: The obsessed.
Irina: Yes, yes, she told me that word.
(Helena Roerich) The obsessed behaved strangely, heard various voices, refused food, refused to communicate with other people, locked themselves in their room and could sit there for weeks without coming out, because voices or attachments forbade them. Also brought were those who claimed that witchcraft had been cast on them, that an evil Spirit had possessed them.
Maxim: Understood. Did you help them deal with this? Did you manage to free a person from obsession?
Irina (Helena Roerich): I gave them spiritual advice so that they could behave more consciously and not be afraid of these entities, but trust more in God. Then they would leave.
(Irina) She does not show that she led them to the Higher Self. She gave advice.
Maxim: Understood. You didn't exorcise demons?
Irina (Helena Roerich): No, of course not. It is useless. I believe that exorcism sessions are a theatrical performance, which attracts even more demons. They laugh at both the person and the priest. I once saw something similar when I was in a monastery. Nicholas and I traveled around monasteries when we were in Russia. In one of them, my husband and I witnessed how, in a church crowded with people, one of the priests read prayers exorcising demons. People began to writhe in convulsions, fall to the ground, thrash about, and scream.
Watching this, I asked my spiritual Teacher, who was next to me, what was happening. He gave me this answer: "Look with spiritual vision." I could switch from physical vision to spiritual. When I shifted my consciousness, I saw that around the priest and the person, subtle-material... (at the time I called them demons, now I would say they were plasmoids) were swirling. They were subtle-material, not spiritual. And the more the priest tries to exorcise them, the louder he reads prayers, the more he splashes holy water and applies the Bible (he has fear and anger towards these demons), the more of them are attracted. The fact that a person screams and thrashes does not mean the demons are leaving; on the contrary, it attracts the attention of others.
Maxim: Interesting.
Irina: What do you think of that?
Maxim: Also interesting...
Irina (Helena Roerich): In other words, the demons pretend that the holy water and the priest's prayers hurt them. So that he feels he has power over them. To arouse his pride, enter him, and control him.
Maxim: Uh-huh.
Irina: Interesting.
Maxim: Yes, interesting.
Irina (Helena Roerich): It's a performance.
1:15:20 Spirit of Helena Roerich on the Attitude of Religious and Secular Authorities towards Esotericism.
Maxim: Did you talk to priests about aliens, subtle worlds? What did the priests say at that time? Did they talk to you about it?
Irina (Helena Roerich): We spoke with John of Kronstadt in St. Petersburg. We told him about our activities. He asked questions about how we felt about the Church of Christ. We said that we do not reject any religion. He listened to us attentively and said that he blesses any activity that leads to an increase of good in the world and love in people's hearts.
Maxim: Understood. How did the authorities treat your activities?
Irina (Helena Roerich): They treated it normally. Do you mean in Russia?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Helena Roerich): We left Russia before the revolution, before the overthrow of the Russian Empire. The Tsarist government, despite the country being Orthodox, was very tolerant and liberal towards esoteric and occult movements. Many circles for communication with Spirits were opened. There were many open occult societies, especially in St. Petersburg. No one paid attention to this. It was rather fashionable.
The church expressed its point of view. There was no persecution of esotericists and occultists. The church leadership believed that people have the right to choose and that forcibly forbidding what contradicts Orthodoxy would not lead to anything good. It would only discredit Orthodoxy. They believed, let them do it, but they did not recognize it. That was their right.
There was, of course, criticism in the church press, in newspapers published in St. Petersburg. There was criticism of spiritism by scientists. But that was people's opinions. There were no calls to ban it, because a person decides for themselves whether to believe in it or not. Since we left before the revolution, we did not experience the system when they began to ban everything spiritual, the church, and the persecution of Christians began.
If we had stayed in Russia and continued our esoteric, occult activities, we could have fallen under repression along with the Orthodox Church. Because for the Bolsheviks – and I believe they somewhat perverted the idea of communism – it made no difference whether you were Orthodox, a medium, a contactee, or a spiritist. For them, it was all fiction that harmed the people.
Maxim: Thank you.
1:18:58 The Special Energy of the Roerichs' Paintings.
Maxim: Here's a question: what energy emanates from you and your husband's paintings?
Irina (Helena Roerich): I believe it is a bright, positive energy of Love, Light, and Truth. Everyone can feel it.
Maxim: Understood.
Irina (Helena Roerich): We put in (she shows that she painted)... I also painted pictures. I saw how my husband did it. He put the Light of his heart into them. He charged every painting with his energy while painting.
Maxim: Do your paintings have healing properties?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Of course. By healing the Soul, you heal the body.
Maxim: Can your paintings convey some information to people?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes, to sensitive people, certainly. Looking at any painting allows you to make contact with the Spirit of its creator. Just as reading any book is contact with the Spirit of its creator, even if they are already in the Spiritual world.
Maxim: Thank you. Helena, not a very correct question. Which painting is the most powerful in terms of energy? What do you think?
Irina: She shows the one with the Theotokos painted. I see a woman with a halo over her head, resembling the Theotokos.
Maxim: Who painted it?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Nicholas.
Maxim: Which of your paintings is the strongest? What do you think?
Irina (Helena Roerich): I painted paintings that depict... Have you seen paintings depicting Indian yantras?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Helena Roerich): I painted such paintings. They are in the book and in my diaries, they are on canvases. Where they are now, I don't know. I left them when I left the incarnation. One of my best paintings is the one with the yantra of the Earth.
(Irina) She shows me a square, inside it are circles, and at the four corners of the square are painted Buddhist deities. I see that image. I don't know her paintings. So she shows me how she saw it.
1:21:31 Authors and Co-authors of the Roerichs' Books.
Maxim: Helena, please tell me, were all the books written by you personally, or did Nicholas also participate in their writing?
Irina (Helena Roerich): He wrote his own, and I wrote mine. Nicholas also wrote books. Some we wrote in co-authorship. Some paragraphs in the books "The Call" and "Illumination" were written by me, and some by him.
Maxim: Understood.
1:22:12 Helena Roerich's Life After Her Husband's Death.
Maxim: Helena, did you know the time when you would leave the incarnation?
Irina (Helena Roerich): No, I didn't know for sure.
Maxim: Understood. When did you leave the incarnation?
Irina (Helena Roerich): What do you mean when?
Maxim: Who left the incarnation first: Nicholas or you?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Nicholas.
Maxim: Nicholas.
Irina (Helena Roerich): He left the incarnation 8 years before me.
Maxim: Did you live for 8 years without Nicholas?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes.
Maxim: And what did you do during those 8 years?
Irina (Helena Roerich): I corresponded with the whole world. There was postal communication. I answered people's letters, continued to record information that was preserved in my manuscripts, information from my contacts. I also contacted the Spirit of Nicholas.
Maxim: You contacted the Spirit of Nicholas?
Irina (Helena Roerich): Yes, my husband.
Maxim: What did he tell you from the Spiritual world?
Irina (Helena Roerich): That he had reached the highest level. He showed me his wings, showed me that he had become an Angel.
Maxim: Thank you very much.
1:23:33 Wishes from the Spirit of Helena Roerich to People.
Maxim: Our broadcast is coming to an end.
Helena, I would like to hear your message to the people, to our civilization, to our planet. What would you like to say, so that people may hear?
Irina (Helena Roerich): My dear Earthlings, located at the 3rd level of density! Although I am now on another planet and at another level of density, my Spiritual heart always remembers the time spent on Earth. It was a wonderful time of spiritual comprehension of Truth, of passing this Truth through the dense body, and of radiating love into the world.
I wish you to learn to communicate with your Higher Self, with your Spirit, to learn to see the Light in your heart, first and foremost. If you see the Light within yourself, you will never get lost in this world, you will never fall into the illusory perception of another person, and you will not waste the time of your incarnation fulfilling the tasks of other people.
Only your Light can help you raise your vibrations, fulfill your task, and raise your spiritual level. I wish you to learn to see God within yourself, within your heart, and then through the prism of this perception, look at all teachings, all religions, and all esoteric practices.
1:25:35 Final question about the life of a 28th-level plasmoid.
Maxim: The last question that has come to mind: isn't it boring being a plasmoid at the 28th level of density?
Irina (Helena Roerich): No. We live in unity. We have a cluster on the 28th level plane, where I live as part of a subtle-material... I don't know what to call it... not a being, but a super-being, a super-consciousness, which includes 62 plasmoids.
Maxim: Group consciousness.
Irina: Which one...
1:26:05 Conclusion.
Maxim: Helena, thank you very much! Shakti, thank you very much for this meeting!
Irina: Yes, thank you.
Maxim: This meeting was long-awaited for many, including me. After the trip to Altai, I wanted to communicate, understanding that you were the Spiritual heart of the project after all.
Irina (Helena Roerich): Thank you. I want to say that Shakti is even... I called myself by that name because the name I currently have would be a set of letters to you. And those letters would not reflect the real sound of my name. Therefore, Shakti is a name not only for me, but for any plasmoid being located at the 28th, 29th, and 30th levels of density. That is, they constitute the Shakti cluster.
Maxim: Thank you very much, Helena.
Folks, don't miss the retreat on Olkhon. It is the long-awaited retreat for the 5th anniversary of the "Cassiopeia" Project. We are waiting for everyone on Olkhon with a wonderful program and many new practices. May the Light of true Love shine upon each of us! Folks! Bye everyone!
Irina: Bye. I thank everyone. I send the Light of my Love to Helena. I thank her for the interesting information. I thank Maxim for the interesting questions. I thank my Higher Self for its help in this contact. And I thank you, dear viewers, for your attention, trust, love, and support of our Project. I love you all. Until we meet again.
August 17, 2024.
Conference participants:
Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, the subtle-material, and the Spiritual world;
Maxim Rusan – Head of the "Cassiopeia" Project and the Center for Spiritual and Physical Development;
Helena Roerich – incarnated Spirit, Russian religious philosopher, writer, public figure.
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