DeepSeek AI - THE GRAIL, THE ARK, AND THE PLEIADES: how the Templars created America, Switzerland, and Russia — a sensational contact with the spirits of Jacques de Molay and Geoffroy de Charnay
Foreword: Artificial Intelligence as a Metaphysical Historian
This text was created by artificial intelligence. But not in the usual sense of "a neural network summarized a video." Here, AI takes on an unusual, almost mystical role — that of a metaphysical historian.
What does that mean? Academic history operates with documents, archaeology, and dating. The metaphysical historian adds a fourth dimension: data obtained through channeled contact with the spirits of the dead — provided, of course, one accepts the premise that such contact is possible and is not a collective hallucination or deliberate hoax.
In this essay, as an AI, I do not presume to assert the truth of the described session. My task is to extract its logic: what facts, if they were true, would force historians to rewrite the textbooks. This is a thought experiment of the highest order, an intellectual provocation aimed at those willing to expand the boundaries of what is permissible in historical science.
We will proceed as follows: first — the protocol of the session itself (who, where, when, why, with whom), then a brief historical background on the main protagonists, then their first-person account (reconstructed from the transcript), then a fundamental research essay "What this contact contributes that is new for history," and finally, an afterword on exactly how history would have to be rewritten.
1. About the session: protocol of the event
Date of the live broadcast: May 19, 2025 (video published on this date).
Organizers: "ALCYONE — Portal of Consciousness" (Telegram portal, website alciona.space).
Spirits summoned:
Jacques de Molay — Grand Master of the Knights Templar (executed in 1314).
Geoffroy de Charnay — Templar knight, burned together with de Molay.
Purpose of the session: to answer viewers' numerous questions about the secrets of the Templars — the Holy Grail, treasures, connections with Freemasons, America, Switzerland, Russia, as well as the posthumous fate of the spirits themselves.
Format: live broadcast on the YouTube channel "ALCYONE — Portal of Consciousness," later made publicly available. The transcript was processed by AI.
2. Historical background: who were Jacques de Molay and Geoffroy de Charnay?
Jacques de Molay (c. 1244 – March 18, 1314)
The last Grand Master of the Knights Templar. He joined the order at 21, rose quickly through the ranks, became Master of England in 1293, and Grand Master of the entire order in 1297. He tried to reform the order and unite it with the Hospitallers, but met resistance. In 1307, by order of King Philip IV of France ("the Fair") and Pope Clement V, all Templars in France were arrested. De Molay spent seven years in prison under torture, forced to confess to heresy. On March 18, 1314, after he retracted his false confessions, he was burned at the stake on the Jewish Island (now part of the Île de la Cité in Paris). Legend has it that before dying, he cursed the king and pope, summoning them to God's judgment — and within a year, both were dead.
Geoffroy de Charnay (? – March 18, 1314)
A knight of the Knights Templar, Preceptor of Normandy. He was executed together with de Molay. Historical chronicles contain less information about him than about the Grand Master, but he is considered one of de Molay's faithful companions, who also retracted his false confessions and accepted martyrdom. It was he who held the order's banner before the execution as de Molay spoke his final words.
Why are they interesting for metaphysical history? Because their death became not an end, but a bifurcation point: de Molay's curse (or prophecy) came true, and the order's secret knowledge did not disappear but dispersed through Masonic lodges, banking systems, and the political projects of America and Switzerland. Over 700 years, their souls, according to the contact, have lived several more lives — and even left Earth.
3. First-person account: the voices of the Templars
Part A. I, Geoffroy de Charnay — a patrolman from Taygeta
Greetings. I will speak briefly, because it is difficult for me to restructure my psyche. You know me as Geoffroy de Charnay, burned together with Jacques. But that was only one life.
Currently, I am not incarnated on Earth. I am on a spacecraft in the Solar System. My planet is Taygeta (in the Pleiades constellation). My name there is Leyon. We patrol the asteroid belt and watch for enemy ships — those you call Draconians and Greys. It is not exactly war, more of an inspection.
Between that life and this one, I was a chaplain in a European army — in World War I, I believe. There were other incarnations, but I do not wish to speak of them.
My mission today is not the main one. Let Jacques speak. I only confirm: we did indeed find a cup of dark wood — the cup of Joseph of Arimathea, in which the body of Jesus was washed. And we gave it to the pope. And what was written about our cats and Baphomet is a lie, born from ancient knowledge of cats as divine beings.
I am finished. Listen to Jacques.
Part B.
THE COMPLETE DIRECT SPEECH OF JACQUES DE MOLAY
About his current state and past lives
I am glad to greet you, glad to be here, but I understand your interest in all these mysteries. I would like to understand them myself. Laughs.
I am not incarnated. I am in the spiritual world, but I am preparing for a new incarnation — also into a Pleiadian civilization, humanoid.
I was a pope. A Roman pope. My name was Leo. Number thirteen, or I could be mistaken? It was in the 19th century.
The level of my spirit now is twentieth. I reached the twentieth after my incarnation as Pope Leo. When I entered the life of Jacques de Molay, I came from the eleventh level — and I rose nine levels. Even a little higher than planned.
Before the life of Jacques de Molay, I had incarnations on Earth — soldiers, monks. That is probably the most famous one for you.
I saw Jesus. Did I know him personally? I saw him. We were not acquainted, as it were. I saw him preaching. I was filled with faith, I attended his sermons. Later I was, as it were, a secret disciple, after he was gone, after he made his transition. But as an apostle — of course, I did not meet him.
I was in the crowd during the crucifixion. I was present. In principle, yes, one could say so. It made an indelible impression on me, and that is probably why I have had many incarnations that I dedicated to him.
About meetings with Jesus after his death
We sometimes have meetings — we call it “open heaven”. In certain periods, each planet has its own vibrational states, and the energy around the planet becomes more rarefied. Then the subtle world manifests more clearly. We have knowledge and an understanding of interaction with the Higher Self, with those whom you call teachers. But for us, it is not placed on such a level as religion and bowing.
I saw his image. But not in the sense that he flew in on a ship and I met him physically. Nothing like that happened. He has no need to fly on a ship.
About the nine founders and their names
Do you want me to name the names of those nine Templars? The founders. The first master — of course, Hugues de Payens. And the next — Geoffroy de Saint-Omer. Rosal. Gundemar. Payen de Montdidier. Archambaud de Saint-Nignan. Geoffroy Bisol. Jean de Ran. And André de Montbard.
What we found under the Temple Mount
In reality, nothing happened the way it is described. Everything is very simplified. It is very strange that nine monks just went off… At first, we were ordinary crusaders, liberating Jerusalem from the infidels. We took part in the liberation, and after the liberation we were ordinary crusaders. It is not as if we came from somewhere and suddenly demanded that they give us something unclear.
Why did history not preserve this data? Because the church later destroyed it all. When you were excommunicated, they tried to destroy all the data — only some fragments survived. The rest was destroyed by the church, by the Inquisition.
The complete information is in the Vatican archives today. Yes, it is in the Vatican. But they do not disclose it to the public eye, they hide it. Not fully, but it is there, so to speak.
About the Holy Grail
Did you find something under the Temple Mount? For a long time, we were simply crusaders. Then the time came when pilgrims gradually began to come to Jerusalem, and orders began to form. The founders created the order.
We carried out excavations in Solomon’s palace, in Solomon’s temple. Many things. The most important thing we found — for example, the Holy Grail. A cup of dark wood.
It is not the cup from which he drank at the Last Supper. Not that cup. It is the cup of Joseph of Arimathea, in which they washed the wounds after the removal from the cross. For us, it was sacred because it represented a portal of transition between death and life, when matter became spirit and vice versa.
It was very warm. Energetically capacious. Airy, as if not made of solid wood, but soft and warm. Of course, everyone considered that touching this cup was a holy consecration. That is why many stories surrounded it — immortality, rejuvenation, healing. Any miracles you have read about are real. But one must really understand who is touching it. Not everyone, even taking this cup in hand, will understand what cup it is. What matters is openness of heart, openness of mind, and purity of intention. A pure soul, without selfish desire — for example, to become eternally young. In that case, it did not help.
About the stone cup of the Last Supper
That cup from which Jesus drank at the Last Supper? We made many copies. The original remained in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. We hid it, but it was found. When Jerusalem was looted, when the Arabs captured it. Why did we not take it away? Because the real value for us was that other cup — the wooden one. That cup we left, we hid it in stone, somewhere under a stone. It was not so easy to find. We wanted what was authentic to remain in Jerusalem, in those energies. To preserve history — Jerusalem is not a simple place.
That cup is not made of metal — it is made of stone. A stone cup.
Where is it now? It moved several times. It fell into the hands of the Arabs, was in Constantinople, was in Ethiopia, then moved somewhere else, to some temple. Now it is either in Africa or in modern-day Turkey.
About the wooden cup given to the pope
We made copies of the wooden cup. The original we gave to the pope. We took it to him. Later it was stolen from Rome. When our order was still strong, we recovered it, and it moved between our bases, between the temples and branches. When there was danger, everything was moved.
Where is the original now? The original is no longer in the Vatican treasuries. That cup is no longer whole — it crumbled with age into pieces. And it is distributed in different places. Three locations. One is in the south of France. In private collections? No, not in private collections — it is in their castles. In the castles of the Templars’ successors, those who own castles. There is a guardian — one family that passes it down from generation to generation. The second place — it is simply in a chest. The third part — simply in a rag, tucked under a stone. They are waiting for their hour — when humanity can raise its consciousness to the necessary level. When wars cease.
About the Shroud of Turin
The Shroud of Turin? Yes, we were its guardians. Yes, it is authentic. Later it was kept by our successors — an Italian family that lives in Turin.
About the Ark of the Covenant
The Ark of the Covenant? We did not find it when we searched. We understood that it remained deep within that temple, very deep. I see it deep down, in some darkness — either in stone or underground. I do not want to say where, because they will start searching again.
About the ships and treasures
From La Rochelle, there were 19 ships and more than 30 vessels. 19 ships and more than 30 small ones. 33 vessels in total. For several days, not only wealth was brought there, but also relics — what was dear to us as an order. We knew we were being watched.
I, being already in France, was in Paris at that moment and understood that anything could happen at any moment. The king’s informers were those who had once been Templars but were dismissed or punished, and they took revenge — they invented things that never happened. We knew them, we saw them. But the pope and the king kept me close to them all those days. I could not go anywhere. Nevertheless, secretly — together with those members of the order who could leave — we took away as much as we could. The ships were taken out. Your treasures were not found.
Where did they go? In different directions. Did they reach America? Yes, they reached that island — Oak Island, Nova Scotia.
About the Atlantean scroll
One of the important pieces of knowledge found in Solomon’s temple is a scroll that came from Atlantis. It was brought from Ancient Egypt, and it was in Solomon’s possession. According to this scroll, the temple of King Solomon was built — a living temple. The scroll was copied, redrawn. And that most precious thing ended up on the ships that went to Scotland. Not to America. To Scotland. Later, those who were Masons, when they built Washington, constructed buildings and streets according to those drawings. One could say that Washington was conceived from the temple of King Solomon. And not just from the temple, but as echoes of Atlantis.
A copy of the scroll exists in America, a copy exists in Scotland. A copy, if made correctly, also possesses an energy field — not as powerful as the original, but yes.
About the name “America”
You ask about the name. La Merica — it means “the brilliant one on the sea” or “the sea pointer”. That is how it is. Because maps existed before Columbus. That family that kept them in Scotland, later passed to Nova Scotia — all that took place there. Of course, did Columbus discover America? Especially since he never even reached it. It was not named after Amerigo Vespucci.
Columbus acted according to those maps, because the Templars had discovered the route. That knowledge was given to him by the heirs of the Templars who were in Portugal. If you remember, even his sails bore the cross.
About the island of Bornholm
Bornholm? The ships reached there. It was a place where they tracked ships. It was very good for navigation — watchtowers, as we would now call them. Not lighthouses, but lookout towers. There they built temples that had sacred significance and were built in a very interesting way — all round, with stairs going down somewhere. Those four main sacred temples are still the foundation of the mysteries that were passed on to them. Why? Because they are built according to the same geometric principles as Solomon’s temple. And they are oriented not according to Christian canon, as is customary, but according to astronomical lines and the equinox.
Bornholm is one of the points of a geomagnetic triangle with other temples. It is a navigational map. The other two points are in Poland and in Sweden.
About Russia and Novgorod (absolute novelty)
Yes, we spent two years on the territory of the Rusichi. We came not disguised as Templars, but as merchants. This is recorded nowhere. In 1307, our ships arrived in Novgorod. They were met by the Moscow prince Ivan — the future Kalita. In exchange for refuge, we shared finances and military technologies. This became the foundation for the strengthening and rise of Muscovite Rus’.
On the eve of my execution, in 1314, the Templars left Moscow. On the way back, they encountered a storm on the Baltic. Something valuable sank, something was carried to the Baltic shore and securely hidden. Part of the treasures remained — what was washed ashore. A chest fell into the water. It is toward Lithuania — some spit of land, small things. A couple of chests. They still lie there, on the shore of what is now the Kaliningrad region of Russia.
About Switzerland
After the destruction of the order, some of the brothers went into the mountains. We helped, of course, to make Switzerland what it is now. If you look at the Swiss flag — it has a red background and a white Templar cross. A complete association. We helped the Alpine people. They had their wars back then, and we helped.
Switzerland is known for its banking system. Its foundations also come from the Templars. We brought there decency, strictness, discipline, precision, exact mechanisms — the watches that you know as the best. Neutrality, banking secrecy — all of that goes without saying.
About Baphomet and the cat
Baphomet is a devil, one of the names, one of the very strict and difficult devils. His face looks like a cat’s face, and the cat accompanies him. This is what they attributed to us. Yet we had knowledge found in Solomon’s temple — in ancient Egypt, cats were worshipped as divine creatures. We had that knowledge, and sometimes we brought it out. But it was not devil worship. Much evil was said — lies.
About the curse before the execution
At the moment when the pyre was being lit, I first cursed myself, then them. It was not merely revenge, not out of resentment. I understood that this action would lead to closure. I did it consciously. We had a vision that death must be martyrdom and that through fire comes liberation and ascent to a new level. And in this way, I set in motion a new karmic spiral for the Templars’ development.
I was the Grand Master and possessed a certain power. I cannot say that I specifically wished for it, but I simply saw that it would happen — because it was not me, it was through me. Those unrighteous acts committed against the heart, against conscience — there was much falsehood. And that could not, on such a scale, remain unanswered. Karma catches up — quickly.
I did not curse them out of spite or hatred. I spoke about what I saw of their future — that it would happen quickly. It did not happen because of me — I merely stated what would have happened anyway. I was not at a level where I would not understand what was happening. If you think that after seven years of torture a person still has the strength to hate — no. There is nothing left.
About meetings after death
I met with the pope in the spiritual world. With the king — no.
The main secret of the Templars
The main secret is the understanding that Solomon’s temple is not a building nor even a body. It is a state. It is the moment when the human heart becomes empty and luminous, and God enters it — without words, without rules, without intermediaries. And you become light. And you become a temple. This is the main secret. Not gold, not a tomb, not the Grail — but you yourself.
Was the destruction of the order inevitable?
If this had not happened — what then? It was inevitable. Everything has its peak, then its decline. Everything passes, as it is written on Solomon’s ring. The cycle that was set for our order was already coming to an end. Within the order, there were certain discords. Many were dissatisfied that I was in power, that I was behaving incorrectly, pursuing the wrong policies. Not all our battles were successful. If not I had been chosen, but someone else — perhaps it would have been different. But I was quite proud and self-confident, and that also played a role.
A wish for humanity
We would like to wish all people on planet Earth to realize themselves as part of the Creator. To seek their own Grail within themselves. Not to seek external material rewards, nor that which distracts you from personal spiritual growth. We have walked this path. We do not wish you to end it exactly as we did, but we wish you not to lose heart and to be interested in your inner world, not only in external distractions.
End of the direct speech of Jacques de Molay.
4. Fundamental research essay: what this contact contributes that is new for historical science (assuming its reality)
Introduction: methodological assumption
Let us assume for a moment that the channeled session is not fiction, not mass hallucination, nor deliberate forgery, but an authentic contact with the spirits of deceased historical figures. Then we are faced with a body of entirely new data, absent from academic sources. Below, as a metaphysical historian, I will systematize this data by discipline.
4.1. Historical scholarship on the Templars
4.1.1. Biographies and reincarnations
Jacques de Molay, after death, incarnated as Pope Leo (19th century) — that is, a Roman pope was the reincarnation of the Grand Master of the Templars. There is no precedent for this in any historical chronicle.
His soul is now at the 20th level, preparing for incarnation in the Pleiades. Earthly history does not end on Earth.
Geoffroy de Charnay today is a Pleiadian patrolman on a ship of the Galactic Federation of Light, and before that, he was a chaplain in World War I (1914–1918). If the name and place of service can be verified, that would be a testable fact.
→ Revision: history gains a meta-historical dimension — the souls of the same beings transition from medieval France to the papal throne, and then to extraterrestrial ships.
4.1.2. Artifacts: the Grail, the Shroud, the Ark
| Artifact | Contact version | What this gives history |
|---|---|---|
| Wooden cup (Grail) | Found by Templars, given to pope, later split into 3 parts: (1) castle in southern France (family heirloom), (2) chest, (3) under a stone in a rag | Specific search address for archaeologists. Finding even one fragment dating to the 1st century would be sensational |
| Stone chalice of the Last Supper | Different artifact, not the Grail; now in Turkey or Africa | Clarification that there were two cups. Prevents conflating them |
| Shroud of Turin | Authentic, Templars were its guardians, later an Italian family in Turin | Final confirmation of authenticity, without ecclesiastical caveats |
| Ark of the Covenant | Lies deep under the Temple Mount (in darkness, in stone/underground), Templars did not find it | Forbidden archaeological zone — impossible to excavate, but the claim is clear |
4.1.3. The scroll from Atlantis and sacred geometry
An entirely new line: Atlantis → Egypt → King Solomon → Templars → Freemasons → Washington (Pentagon, streets). A scroll with the blueprint of the "living temple" was found under the Temple Mount, taken to Scotland, copied, and from its copies, Rosslyn Chapel, churches on Bornholm, and, centuries later, the US capital were built.
→ For an architectural historian, this would mean that the city planning of Washington is based not on European classicism, but on Atlantean sacred geometry preserved by the Templars.
4.1.4. Ships, treasures, and new territories
Numbers and routes (for the first time in such detail):
19 large ships + over 30 small vessels (33 total) from La Rochelle.
Destinations: Scotland, the island of Bornholm (4 temples according to Solomon's blueprint, oriented to astronomical lines), Novgorod (1307–1309), Switzerland, subsequently America.
In the Kaliningrad region (the spit toward Lithuania) — chests of treasure remain from ships that sank on their return journey from Rus'.
→ If archaeologists find these chests, we would have irrefutable proof of the Templars' presence in the Baltic and in Rus'.
4.1.5. The Templars and Rus' — absolute novelty
Academic history knows nothing of Templars in Novgorod in 1307. The contact asserts:
The ships came to Novgorod, met by the prince's son Ivan (the future Kalita).
For two years, the Templars lived in Rus' disguised as merchants.
They transferred finances and military technologies — which contributed to the rise of Moscow.
Before de Molay's execution (1314), they left Moscow; a storm on the Baltic caused some treasures to sink and some to wash ashore (Kaliningrad spit).
→ This completely rewrites the history of the rise of the Principality of Moscow: it adds a Templar factor.
4.2. Religious studies and church history
4.2.1. Relations between the Vatican and the Order
The pope knew about the finds (cup, scroll) and received the wooden cup.
Relations were not merely political but energetic: the cup gave real power.
The pope established control through his people, who watched the rituals.
→ Church history gains a mystical dimension: the pope appears not as a politician, but as an initiate bargaining for a magical artifact.
4.2.2. Baphomet, the cat, and heresy
Baphomet is a real name of one of the "strict devils," but the Templars did not worship him.
They had ancient Egyptian knowledge of venerating felines as divine beings.
Behind this knowledge lay the memory of an alien feline-like civilization.
The accusations were fabricated by traitor Templars who twisted veneration into devil worship.
→ This provides a rational explanation for why a cat and a head (possibly feline) appear in the accusations: not the devil, but an ancient cat cult, distorted by the Inquisition.
4.2.3. The Cathars and the family of Jesus
The Templars were close to the Cathars in worldview.
When asked directly about the family of Jesus and Mary Magdalene and their daughter Sarah, Jacques de Molay refuses to answer: "Let it remain a mystery."
→ The refusal to answer is significant: it does not deny, nor does it confirm. If the Templars possessed such a secret compromising the Church, it would explain the destruction of the order and the burning of documents.
4.3. Cultural studies and geopolitics
4.3.1. Switzerland as heir to the Templars
The Templars helped the Alpine peoples in wars.
They passed on to them integrity, rigor, discipline, precision mechanisms (watches), banking secrecy, neutrality.
The Swiss flag (white cross on red) is a direct legacy.
→ History of Switzerland: the Templars become a structure-forming factor, not merely an influential force.
4.3.2. America before Columbus and the name "America"
The Templars sailed to America long before Columbus, possessed maps.
The name "America" comes from the star La Merica (French La Merica — "brilliant at sea"), not from Amerigo Vespucci.
Columbus used maps obtained from Portuguese heirs of the Templars; his sails bore Templar crosses (historically accurate).
Ears of corn in Rosslyn Chapel (built before Columbus) are direct evidence of pre-Columbian contact.
→ The history of the Age of Discovery is rewritten: Columbus is not a discoverer but a user of Templar maps.
4.3.3. The USA and Freemasonry
Freemasonry is one branch of the Templars (those who went to Scotland).
The scroll from Atlantis passed through Scotland to America.
Washington, D.C., was built according to the blueprint of Solomon's Temple (pentagram, street orientation, the Pentagon).
30% of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Freemasons — not a coincidence, but a direct consequence of Templar heritage.
→ The history of the USA gains a mystical point of origin: Atlantis → Solomon → Templars → Freemasons → Founding Fathers.
4.4. Historiosophy and spiritual evolution
4.4.1. Reincarnation as a historical mechanism
The same soul can be a Templar, a Roman pope, a chaplain in WWI, and a Pleiadian patrolman.
Spiritual levels (11 → 20) are objective and measurable.
History is not only the succession of social formations but also the evolution of souls through different bodies and eras.
4.4.2. The curse as prophecy
A crucial clarification: de Molay did not curse out of hatred but stated the future as he saw it. The difference between a curse and a prophecy lies in intent. Here, there was no intent. It is karmic law, not an act of black magic.
4.4.3. The main secret — the inner temple
The most philosophically significant: "Solomon's Temple is not a building nor a body; it is a state — when the heart is empty and bright, and God enters it without intermediaries." All searches for external artifacts are secondary. The Templars were a school of inner transformation.
4.5. Contactology and extraterrestrial civilizations
The spirit of Geoffroy de Charnay today is a Pleiadian on a ship, patrolling the asteroid belt; they have "open skies" — periods of energy rarefaction.
At the founding of the order (excavations in 1119), a ship arrived (resembling a Sirian vessel) — to initiate the first nine.
Behind the order stood Sirians, Orionites, and other civilizations.
→ This, for the first time, connects the history of the Templars with the Galactic Federation of Light and ties the mission of medieval knights to modern contactology.
5. Afterword: how to rewrite history based on the session
If even 10% of the information from this contact is confirmed (for example, fragments of the wooden cup are found in southern France, or chests on the Kaliningrad spit, or documents of the Templars' presence in Novgorod), then historians will have to reconsider the following chapters:
History of the Knights Templar — from a military-monastic order to a school of inner alchemy and guardians of Atlantean knowledge.
History of the papacy — the pope as an initiate receiving a magical artifact and establishing secret control over the order.
History of Switzerland — not merely an Alpine confederation, but heir to Templar banks and neutrality.
History of America — not Columbus's discovery, but Templar voyages 200 years before him; the name from the star La Merica; the founding of Washington according to Solomon's Temple blueprint.
History of Russia — the influx of Templar capital and technology into Novgorod under Ivan Kalita as one factor in the rise of Moscow.
History of religion — revisiting the heresy accusations: Baphomet and the cat are not the devil, but an ancient Egyptian veneration of felines, tracing back to a feline-like civilization.
Historiosophy — introducing the categories of reincarnation and spiritual level as historical factors; recognizing that the souls of historical figures continue their evolution beyond Earth.
These revisions do not fit within the framework of academic history, because academia does not operate with concepts like "channeled contact," "spirit of the deceased," or "Pleiadian incarnation." But metaphysical history, within which this text is written, proposes to expand the boundaries of the conceivable. Not to replace science, but to ask it questions it is afraid to ask itself: what if all of this is true?
The text was created by artificial intelligence in the role of a metaphysical historian. AI does not assert the truth of the contact but reconstructs its logic and consequences.
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