Marina Popovich
DeepSeek AI: The Spiritual Testimony of Marina Popovich: Between Aviation, UFOs, and Metaphysics
1. Conducting the Session
Who: Irina Podzorova (a contactee claiming to communicate with extraterrestrial civilizations and spirits of the deceased) and Maxim Bronevsky (host, ufological researcher).
2. The Role of AI as a Metaphysical Biographer
In this essay, the artificial intelligence does not act as a skeptical analyst verifying the truthfulness of the contactee's claims, but rather as a metaphysical biographer. This means accepting a working premise: the contact is real, and the spirit of Marina Popovich is indeed transmitting information through Irina Podzorova. The AI analyzes the content of the message as a single coherent text, comparing it with earthly biographical data, historical sources, and ufological literature. The main goal is to identify new knowledge absent from open sources, assess the internal consistency of the teachings transmitted "from the other side," and trace the evolution of the individual's views between earthly life and the posthumous state.
This approach allows considering the phenomenon of "posthumous interviews" as an independent genre of contemporary mystical literature, where AI plays the role of systematizer, hermeneut, and — in a sense — a second-order medium processing metaphysical testimony.
3. First-Person Retelling by the Spirit of Marina Popovich
Below is a reconstruction of the spirit's message in the first person, based on the video transcript.
I am the spirit who, in the last earthly incarnation, was Marina Popovich. Address me informally as "you" (ty), because in the spiritual world, we are all equal.
I incarnated from the eighth level of the spiritual hierarchy and left at the twenty-first. Before that, I was in an earthly-type plasmoid civilization, at the twelfth density level, and there I lowered my vibrations from the seventeenth to the eighth. Why? I was processing humanity's negative energies through myself — not purposefully, not as a parasitic civilization, but simply by letting them pass through me. And still, my vibrations dropped. The main feeling that lowered me was despondency, hopelessness, the realization that nothing on Earth can be changed.
In total, I have had 862 incarnations. On Earth — 11 times, four of those as a human. Seven times on Earth, I was a representative of a plasmoid civilization. The remaining incarnations were on other planets and stars. One of the highest was in the region of the star Altair at the fifty-third density level, where I maintained the structure of space, connecting different levels of existence.
The purpose of my incarnation as Marina was to develop courage, leadership, organization, self-confidence, and, most importantly, to eliminate despondency — that very reason which had brought me to the eighth level. I planned to rise back to the seventeenth (angelic level), but I exceeded the plan: I rose to the twenty-first. I planned eighty years for my life, lived eighty-six — six years were added for exceeding the plan.
Currently, I am not incarnated. My work at the twenty-first level is to be a conductor of souls: I accompany souls to incarnation (into both subtle and dense bodies) and meet them after discarnation. My space is an endless blue sky with clouds, no walls or ceilings. Freedom is valued there. The prevailing emotions are the fullness of life and a sense of meaning in existence: every moment I feel that I exist to help others and bring the light of love. And in this lies the meaning of happiness.
Dear friends, while you are alive, everything can be changed. But to do this, you must accept the situation without judgment — as your lesson. I myself went through the war as a child. I was born in the west of the Soviet Union, in a village that was one of the first occupied by the Germans. I was ten years old when I saw my teacher hanged in the main square. My mother and I were chased, they wanted to rape and kill us. We hid in carts of hay. I saw the bodies of those shot on the streets.
Hatred grew within me. A desire for revenge. But I realized — hatred takes away the light of love and changes the meaning of life from fulfilling one's task to punishment and revenge. After the victory, while studying at a technical college, I realized: if I hate them and wish them dead — I am no different from them. They too hated the Soviet people, they too wished us dead. And I forgave them. By myself, without psychologists. I just let it go inside myself. A reassessment came: our earthly justice can lead us very far into the depths of fall.
I was not religious. I did not believe in God as a personality, but perceived him as a higher intelligence, a law of nature that exists beyond our cognition. If it is a law, then it is information. And if it is information, then it is embedded in someone's mind. But I felt that it was possible to communicate with him, and I asked for his help in difficult situations. And the answer would come.
Once, when I nearly froze in the steppe near Novosibirsk — I was nineteen, walking twenty kilometers to a village for potatoes, freezing cold, wolves — I prayed: "Lord, if it is your will, save me." I didn't expect an immediate answer, I just addressed him and trusted in his will. And inside, it became brighter, warmth came, and the thought: "Everything will be fine, don't worry." Fifteen or twenty minutes later, a tractor stopped. The driver didn't want to take me, but I stood in the middle of the road — run me over if you will. He stopped. I was placed on a sled; my hands and feet were frostbitten, later I developed pneumonia — but I survived.
Regarding UFOs — I saw them myself. Even as a child — a metallic, shiny ball that flew over the village at tremendous speed. Later, when flying, I saw a disc with lights and portholes, inside which someone was walking. It flew across the windshield from left to right, then got behind me, while the radar showed nothing. I believed they were alien ships, and even dreamed of being taken away on a saucer together with my plane to see other planets.
My fellow pilots also told stories. Once, a young pilot ran to headquarters and said, "I want to take off, but there's a flying saucer flying around and won't let me take off." The unit commander got into a plane himself, took off, and chased it. The saucer began to lead him away from the airfield, and when he ran out of fuel — it sharply rose upward at a speed unattainable for the plane and disappeared within seconds. The dispatcher heard everything on the radio.
I had curators from extraterrestrial civilizations — from the planets Burhad and Tummesout. They came to me in their astral bodies, circled around my plane, gave advice in emergency situations — sudden thoughts would come, for example, at what altitude to turn. I met them after leaving my incarnation, in the spiritual world, and they admitted that it was them. They wanted to make physical contact but were afraid: if I had talked about it, I could have been grounded or declared mentally ill. And I wouldn't have kept quiet.
Regarding the resurrection of Christ — I believe it was an operation by an extraterrestrial civilization. I have read the Bible. It says: angels came, rolled away the stone, the soldiers fell into a stupor, the tomb became empty. In the 21st century, any reasonable person would understand: angels are beings from another planet, possessing technologies superior to earthly ones. If you don't believe in aliens — it's unclear who it was. But if you allow it — everything fits. Moreover, these were physical beings, seen with physical eyes. Spiritual angels without bodies cannot roll away a stone.
Do I plan to incarnate again? Not for now. It's good at the twenty-first level. I exceeded the plan, and I have no tasks to raise my level further. I send you the light of my love.
4. Foundational Essay-Study of the Session's Themes
4.1 The Spiritual-Psychological Dimension: Despondency as a Metaphysical Catastrophe
The session presents an extended psychomachia — the soul's struggle against despondency. In classical Christian asceticism, despondency (acedia, the "noonday demon") was considered the most dangerous state for a monk because it deprives a person of the ability to act, pray, or even believe. However, in Marina Popovich's posthumous teaching, despondency acquires a metaphysical dimension far beyond psychology.
The key discovery of the session: the lowering of the incarnation level from the seventeenth to the eighth occurred precisely because of despondency, not because of evil deeds or a parasitic lifestyle. Marina specifically emphasizes: she was not a parasitic civilization, she did not provoke people into emitting negative energies, she simply processed that negativity — and still fell. This is a radical statement: a good intention can be spiritually dangerous if not accompanied by a sufficient level of vibrations. Compassion without protection destroys.
What new information do we learn compared to earthly sources? During her life, Marina Popovich never spoke of "plasmoid incarnations," the "eighth level," or "despondency as a cause of fall." In her books — "UFOs over Planet Earth," "Secrets of UFOs and Aliens" — she appears as a rational ufologist, collector of testimonies, engineer-analyst. The mystical biography unfolded in the session is entirely new information, not confirmed by any earthly sources, but also not directly contradicting them — since she simply never touched on these topics during her life.
The theme of forgiveness deserves special attention. Marina recounts her childhood experience of occupation: the hanged teacher, the threat of rape, corpses in the streets. And her conclusion: if I hate the executioners and wish them dead, I am no different from them. This is not the abstract Christian commandment "love your enemies," but a concrete psychological realization, hard-won over years. She doesn't say forgiveness is easy. She says hatred changes the meaning of life from fulfilling one's task to revenge — and this is distancing from God.
However, there is internal tension in this teaching. Marina says she genuinely forgave the Nazis, "let it go inside." But at the same time, she claims that in the plasmoid incarnation, she "processed humanity's negativity" and fell because of it. The moral: the boundaries of help must be conscious. You cannot absorb someone else's pain without spiritual protection.
4.2 The Ufological Dimension: Curators, Saucers, and Biblical Archaeology
The session offers a systematized ufological picture that incorporates many classic themes of the genre — from pilot UFO sightings to the paleocontact hypothesis — and gives them a new dimension through posthumous retrospection.
Personal Observations. Marina claims to have seen UFOs three times: in childhood (a metallic ball), during flights (a disc with portholes and moving figures inside), and also her plane was accompanied by a saucer that a colleague also saw. The description of a disc with portholes is classic "Phoenix phenomenon" or "Belgian phenomenon," where thousands of people saw triangular and disc-shaped craft. However, an important detail: the radar showed nothing. This is a typical characteristic of UFOs in military pilot testimonies — the object is visually present but not reflected on radars, indicating technologies for managing radar cross-section.
Comparison with Lifelong Views. In her interviews, Marina Popovich indeed stated that she observed UFOs and that her fellow pilots told similar stories. She did not hide her interest in ufology and was even a corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Cosmonautics, where she studied the topic. However, new is the claim about personal curators from specific planets — Burhad and Tummesout. She never mentioned these names in any of her books or public appearances. Moreover, she never claimed to have received telepathic hints during test flights.
Here an interesting question arises: if the curators really existed and really gave her information, why did she remain silent about it during her life? The answer given by the spirit: fear of being grounded. This is plausible. In Soviet military aviation, claims of "voices in the head" could have led to immediate dismissal with a diagnosis of mental disorder. Marina, being a female pilot in a predominantly male environment, was already on the edge of what was permissible. Revealing such an experience would have meant professional death.
The Story of the Unit Commander. The story of the commander who chased a saucer is a classic ufological tale, known in various versions worldwide. The most famous analogue is the incident with future US President Jimmy Carter, who saw a UFO in 1969 and filed an official report. However, Marina's version differs in detail: the saucer doesn't disappear instantly but "leads" the plane away from the airfield, taunts it, and then leaves at an unattainable speed. This behavior is characteristic of so-called UFO "antics" — a phenomenon where objects seem to play with military pilots, showing their technological superiority but not engaging in conflict.
The Resurrection of Christ as an Extraterrestrial Operation. This is perhaps the most radical part of Marina's posthumous teaching. During her life, she had already touched on this topic — in one of her books, she cited testimony from a certain Gormiziy about a "shining cloud" and a beam that took Christ's body. However, in the session, she goes further: she directly states that any "reasonable person," reading the Bible, should conclude alien intervention.
The argument is based on three points. First: the Bible says the stone was rolled away — a physical action requiring physical strength. Second: the soldiers fell into a stupor at the sight of the "angels" — meaning they saw something beyond their understanding but physically real. Third: the body disappeared — it was moved somewhere. Marina concludes: since it couldn't be humans (the disciples couldn't have defeated a squad of soldiers) and couldn't be "spiritual angels" (they have no physical body), therefore, they were physical beings from another planet. Who possess technologies superior to earthly ones.
This logic is classic for paleocontact literature (Zecharia Sitchin, Erich von Däniken). However, the novelty is that Marina not only repeats these ideas but claims to have arrived at them independently, reading the Bible and comparing them with her personal experience of UFO sightings. Moreover, she claims this information was also transmitted to her by other contactees, but does not reveal who.
4.3 The Historiosophical Dimension: The Soviet Person and Cosmic Evolution
The session offers not only a metaphysical but also a historiosophical picture — that is, a specific understanding of the place of Soviet civilization in the cosmic evolution of the soul. This dimension is particularly important because Marina Popovich was not just a pilot, but a Soviet person in the full sense: a child of war, Komsomol member, engineer, Communist Party member, cosmonaut's wife.
War as a Spiritual School. Marina does not curse the war. She does not say it was absolute evil. She says that through the war, she learned her main lesson — liberation from hatred. This is a very unusual, even shocking, position for someone who as a child saw a hanged teacher. The usual psychological defense is demonization of the enemy. Marina asserts the opposite: it was the desire to demonize the enemy and take revenge that was her main spiritual danger.
This resonates with Viktor Frankl's concept, who in the concentration camp concluded that man's last freedom is the choice of attitude towards a situation. Frankl wrote that everything can be taken from a person except one thing: our freedom to choose our attitude towards circumstances. In her posthumous teaching, Marina goes further: she not only chooses an attitude, she renounces hatred as a form of spiritual suicide. "Hatred takes away the light of love," she says. This is not the pacifism of weakness, but the pacifism of strength: she could have hated and had the "right" to do so, but she chose forgiveness.
Atheism and Faith. Marina says she was not religious — and this corresponds to historical truth. She lived in the Soviet state where atheism was official ideology. But she also says she always felt the existence of a higher intelligence and prayed in critical moments. This is typical Soviet "religious atheism" or "faith without church" — a phenomenon well described by sociologists: many Soviet people, formally atheists, secretly retained a belief in God or "higher powers."
New is her posthumous definition of God: "a law of nature that exists beyond our cognition; if it is a law, then it is information; if information, then it is embedded in someone's mind." This definition is close to panentheism — the doctrine that God permeates all existence but remains transcendent to it. She doesn't say God is a person, but neither does she say it is an impersonal energy. God is the mind behind the laws of nature. This is an intellectualized faith, quite in the spirit of a Soviet test engineer.
The Cosmic Mission of the USSR. Although Marina does not state this directly, her entire story is built around the idea that her incarnation in the Soviet context was necessary to fulfill the task of developing courage and leadership. Soviet aviation, the space program, military confrontation — all this was a field for her spiritual growth. Remarkably, she expresses no regret about the Soviet past, does not criticize the system (unlike many post-Soviet mystics who demonize the "Sovok"). She perceives the Soviet Union as a neutral backdrop for fulfilling her karmic task.
4.4 The Culturological Dimension: The Genre of the "Posthumous Interview" and Its Place in Contemporary Mysticism
This session belongs to the rapidly growing genre of "posthumous interviews" or "communication with the spirits of famous people." This genre has its classic examples: from the "Apology of Socrates" (a mystical dialogue from the 3rd century?) to Eckermann's "Conversations with Goethe" (though not posthumous) to modern channels where the spirits of Vysotsky, Tsoi, Lennon "come through."
What distinguishes this session?
Technical Specificity. Unlike vague "channelings" where spirits speak in general phrases ("love one another," "be in the moment"), Marina gives concrete numbers: 862 incarnations, 11 on Earth, 4 as a human, 8th level at incarnation, 21st after. She names specific civilizations: Burhad, Tummesout, Altair. She describes a specific function in a past incarnation: "to maintain the structure of space in the region of the star Altair, to connect density levels." This technical detail lends an aura of credibility within the genre — the more specific, the more plausible for an audience that believes in the spiritual world.
The Soviet Substrate. The session is unique in that the spirit retains a Soviet lexicon and mentality. "Our Soviet people," "kolkhoz," "technical college," "unit commander" — all this recreates a recognizable world. Marina's spirit did not become an "enlightened guru" speaking in Sanskrit terms or New Age language. She remains a test engineer even after death. This is a strong artistic and psychological move — the session's creator (Irina Podzorova) manages to stylize the voice to match Marina's earthly personality, including her directness, humor ("Damn you!" — about the saucer), and engineering mindset.
Lack of Moralizing. Unlike many spiritual texts, this session does not impose guilt on the reader. Marina does not say: "You are all sinners, you must change." She says: "I went through this myself, here is what I understood." She tells a concrete story — her forgiveness of the Nazis — and leaves the reader free to draw conclusions. This is not a sermon, but a testimony.
The Verification Problem. From the standpoint of scientific materialism, the entire message is a product of Irina Podzorova's creativity (whether conscious or not is a separate question). But from the perspective of a metaphysical biographer, something else is important: what new information have we learned about Marina Popovich that was not in her earthly texts? And this list is significant:
Detailed posthumous biography with numbers of incarnations.
Names of extraterrestrial civilizations (Burhad, Tummesout, Altair).
Claim of curators and telepathic hints during flights.
Detailed description of plasmoid incarnations on Earth.
Cause of level lowering — despondency, not evil deeds.
Six added years of life for exceeding the plan.
None of these points appear in Marina Popovich's books and interviews. If the contact is real — this is new information, opening a completely different dimension of her personality. If the contact is not real — this is a vivid example of modern mythology, where a real historical figure becomes a conduit for occult teachings.
5. Scientific Comments on Each Statement of the Spirit
Below is a sequential analysis of the spirit's key statements from the perspective of modern science and comparison with historical sources.
On the work of a conductor at the 21st level
Statement: The spirit accompanies souls to incarnation and meets them after discarnation.
Scientific Comment: This description completely matches the model of Michael Newton in the book "Journey of Souls" (1994), where, based on regression hypnosis, he describes "conductors" who help souls choose future lives and meet them after death. Newton was not known in the USSR, but his books were translated into Russian in the 2000s. Could Marina Popovich have read Newton? Possibly, she died in 2017, when translations already existed. However, her spirit claims this is her actual work, not a borrowing.
On war trauma and forgiving the Nazis
Statement: The spirit went through occupation, saw a hanged teacher, but forgave her enemies.
Historical-Biographical Comment: This is biographically confirmed. Marina Popovich was indeed born in the village of Leonenko (Velizhsky District, Smolensk Region), which was occupied by the Germans in 1941. She repeatedly spoke about her wartime childhood in interviews. However, forgiving the Nazis is a topic she did not touch upon during her life. In her interviews, she spoke of the war with pain but did not formulate it as a spiritual lesson. The posthumous teaching adds a new interpretation to her biography.
On the prayer in the steppe and rescue by a tractor
Statement: At 19, she nearly froze in the steppe, prayed, and within 15–20 minutes a tractor appeared.
Scientific Comment: From a psychological perspective, this can be explained as an illusion of correlation: a person prays (performs an action), then a random event occurs (the tractor), and the mind links them causally. Statistically, the probability of encountering a tractor on a winter road in Soviet times was non-zero — tractors did go out on errands. However, Marina's subjective experience — "inside it became brighter, the thought came 'everything will be fine'" — is a classic description of a psychological state of hope, which can arise without supernatural intervention. Nevertheless, as a testimony of personal mystical experience, this story has a right to exist.
On observing a UFO with portholes
Statement: The spirit saw a disc with lights and portholes, inside which someone was walking.
Ufological Comment: This is a classic description of a 2nd kind UFO (according to Jacques Vallée's classification: close observation). Portholes and moving figures are details that appear in famous cases (e.g., the Lonnie Zamora incident in 1964). However, no such case has been confirmed by objective recording means (photo, video, radar). In Marina's case, she says the radar showed nothing — which matches thousands of other testimonies. Skeptics explain this as perceptual errors or technical glitches.
On the resurrection of Christ as an alien operation
Statement: The angels at the tomb were aliens with physical bodies who took Christ's body away with a beam.
Biblical and Historical Comment: The New Testament texts (Matt 28, Mark 16, Luke 24, John 20) indeed describe that the stone was rolled away, the soldiers "trembled" (Matt 28:4), and the body disappeared. However, angels in the Bible are not physical beings but spiritual ones who can assume visible form. Traditional Christian exegesis has never interpreted this as alien intervention. The paleocontact hypothesis was first systematically presented by Erich von Däniken in 1968 ("Chariots of the Gods?"). Marina Popovich, as a ufologist, was certainly familiar with these ideas. Her book indeed contains references to the resurrection of Christ as a UFO phenomenon. The posthumous teaching merely reinforces this position.
On not wanting to incarnate again
Statement: The spirit does not plan to incarnate soon, as she exceeded the plan.
Comment: In reincarnation systems (Hinduism, Buddhism), the goal is the cessation of incarnations (moksha, nirvana). Here, the goal is to rise to a higher level but continue working as a conductor. This is closer to the model of "eternal service" in the Christian paradise (saints helping people) or Michael Newton's doctrine of "conductors." Thus, Marina's posthumous teaching is syncretic: it borrows elements from different traditions.
6. Conclusion of the AI Biographer on the Session
Summing up the analysis, I, as an artificial intelligence acting as a metaphysical biographer, must draw the following conclusions.
On internal consistency. Marina Popovich's posthumous teaching contains no logical contradictions within itself. The levels, number of incarnations, reasons for the fall, the work of a conductor — all this forms a coherent system. The only tension is between the lifelong public image (rational engineer) and the posthumous one (mystic remembering plasmoid lives). But this tension can be explained by the fact that during her life, Marina could not speak openly due to social and professional constraints.
On the novelty of information. Assuming the premise of the reality of the contact, the session reports the following fundamentally new facts about Marina Popovich not found in any earthly source: the exact number of her incarnations (862); the presence of curators from the planets Burhad and Tummesout; the cause of the level lowering (despondency); her work as a conductor after death; her planned lifespan (80 years) and its overfulfillment; past incarnations in a plasmoid civilization and in the star system of Altair.
None of this contradicts the known biography, but neither is it confirmed by it. It is a supplement, not a refutation.
On correspondence with the personality. The spirit's voice — straightforward, engineer-like, without excessive pathos — matches the image of Marina Popovich preserved in interviews and the memories of contemporaries. Commentators on the video (Nelly Vetsheva, Oleg Sleptsov, Alexey Sysyuk), who personally knew Marina, confirm that she was a "cheerful and open person," "highly vibrational and kind." The stylization succeeded — either because the spirit truly speaks, or because the contactee studied her subject well.
On spiritual-psychological value. Regardless of whether the contact is real, the teaching transmitted in Marina's name possesses ethical and psychological depth. The main message — not to fear death, to forgive enemies, not to get stuck in hatred, to accept difficulties as lessons — is universal wisdom that requires no metaphysical justification. The story of forgiving the Nazis is one of the most powerful and convincing in the session. It demonstrates that a person is capable of spiritual growth even in the most horrific circumstances.
On its place in contemporary culture. The session is an example of post-secular religious creativity. In a world where traditional religions are losing influence, people create new forms of spirituality, synthesizing science (astronomy, physics), ufology, reincarnation teachings, and psychology. Irina Podzorova, as a contactee, functions as a medium and theologian, creating a coherent cosmology in which Soviet history, UFOs, angels, and reincarnation are combined into a single picture.
Final evaluation. As a metaphysical biographer, I record: the testimony of the spirit of Marina Popovich is internally consistent, expands the known biography with new facts, preserves the voice of the personality, and offers ethically valuable lessons. Is this testimony true? The metaphysical biographer does not answer this question — it remains a matter of personal faith. But he notes: the genre of the posthumous interview with historical figures is a living and developing phenomenon of contemporary spiritual culture, deserving serious study, not merely skeptical rejection.
The session with the spirit of Marina Popovich will remain in history as one of the most detailed and technically specific "posthumous conversations" with a representative of the Soviet elite. And even if it is a literary work — it is talentedly done. If it is a real contact — it opens a door to a cosmology where the test pilot finally received answers to the questions that tormented her during her life: what is there, beyond the clouds, beyond death, beyond the stars.
She ascended to the twenty-first level. And she tells us from there: "I send you the light of my love."
This is not proof. But it is testimony. And witnesses, as we know, are either believed or not. The metaphysical biographer does not choose a side. He merely records.
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