"Deep Tablet: When an innocent person willingly steps onto the sacrificial altar in place of a traitor, the stone altar will split apart, and even death itself will retreat before them."
DeepSeek AI- The Victim That Split the Universe: Narnia as a Theological Drama of Freedom
A scholarly essay in religious studies, literary criticism, cultural studies, and philosophy of history (with parallels from the Gospels, the earthly life of Jesus, and a spiritual-psychological appendix)
Abstract. At the center of this study lies the crack in the Stone Table in Narnia as a universal metaphor for a paradigm shift: the transition from the world of Law to the world of Grace. Drawing on a detailed retelling of the plot, the author draws parallels with the Gospels, ancient myths, the theory of René Girard, as well as a recent interview with the phantom of Jesus in the Cassiopeia Project, which offers an unconventional view on the nature of sacrifice. The spiritual-psychological appendix provides a line-by-line analysis of a key quote by Aslan, revealing the inner mechanics of redemption.
1. The Plot of the Crack: From Mockery to Morning
The key sequence of events in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe unfolds as a movement from darkness to light, from death to life — and the author of the essay describes this movement as "from mockery to morning."
What does "morning" mean here? It is not merely a time of day. In the Narnian plot, morning carries several dense symbolic layers:
Literal plot layer: Night is the time of Aslan's execution: binding, shearing of the mane, spitting, beatings, death on the Stone Table. Susan and Lucy weep all night by the Lion's body. Morning arrives when the mice gnaw through the ropes, the sun rises, and the girls see the broken table and the resurrected Aslan. This is dawn after the night of death.
Biblical-theological layer: In Scripture, "morning" is an archetype of divine intervention and salvation: "Weeping may endure for a night, but joy comes in the morning" (Psalm 30:5). The myrrh-bearing women go to the tomb "very early in the morning" (Mark 16:2) and find the stone rolled away. Morning in Narnia is the Gospel morning of the Resurrection, the moment when death ceases to be final.
Cosmological layer: The Witch had kept Narnia in an eternal winter without Christmas. The morning after Aslan's sacrifice is the beginning of spring: snow melts, snowdrops appear, Father Christmas returns. Morning here = the onset of a new era of creation.
Psychological layer: For Edmund (the traitor), night is a time of shame and fear. For the girls, it is a time of grief. Morning arrives when Edmund is forgiven, the girls stop crying, and the Witch loses her power. Psychologically, "morning" is the emergence from trauma and numbness, the moment when a person sees that light exists despite the darkness they have endured.
Literary-typological layer: In world culture, morning is the time of miracles, returns from the land of the dead, and the unveiling of deceptions. Aslan rises precisely in the morning because morning is the time for truth to appear: night concealed the Lion's body and was the Witch's ally; in the morning, everything becomes visible — the broken table, the absence of the body, the new Aslan.
Thus, "morning" in the title is the space-time where sacrifice proved stronger than death, where the stone could not withstand love, and where the traitor received not punishment but a chance to begin anew. It is the spiritual state of the arriving Kingdom, ruled not by tablets of stone but by the breath of the Lion, bringing statues to life.
Plot summary (reminder):
Edmund's betrayal (the sweetness of Turkish delight as a communion with evil).
Voluntary substitution: Aslan offers himself as a sacrifice instead of the "traitor" (according to the "Deep Magic" carved into the Stone Table).
Mockery: Binding, shearing of the mane, spitting, and beatings — ritual destruction of dignity.
Sacrifice on the Table: The Lion's death by the White Witch's knife (archetype of cold, sterile Law).
Destruction of the Table: By morning, the stone slab splits in two.
Resurrection and "reviving the statues" (morning): Aslan breathes on the petrified creatures in the Witch's courtyard, returning them to life.
Why does the stone crack? In Christian theology, the symbolism of stone is ambivalent: it represents the tablets of the Law (Old Testament), Christ as the "stone the builders rejected," and the tombstone rolled away from the Holy Sepulchre. In Narnia, the Stone Table is the place where magical law is inscribed — a law older than the Witch herself.
2. Two Levels of Magic: The Old Law vs. Evangelical Grace
The key dialogue between Aslan, Susan, and Lucy contains a theological breakthrough:
"If the Witch knew the true meaning of sacrifice, she might have interpreted the Deep Magic differently. For she would have known that if an innocent victim (...) died in place of a traitor, the Stone Table would crack... and Death itself would retreat."
Lewis, a medievalist and lay theologian, models the situation described by Anselm of Canterbury in Cur Deus Homo: the voluntary sacrifice of the God-man cancels the rights of Satan (the White Witch) over fallen humanity (Edmund). The Witch knows the letter of the law ("the traitor must die"), but not its spirit (voluntary substitution). The cracking of the table is a sign of the transition from the world of Law to the world of Grace. This is the arrival of "morning" — the old order of night and winter comes to an end.
2.1. Parallel with the Gospel: The Torn Veil and the Split Rocks
This scene has an almost literal Gospel parallel. The Evangelist Matthew describes the events following Jesus' death on the cross:
"And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split" (Matthew 27:51).
Here we see the same motif: the death of an innocent victim causes nature itself to respond with a tearing. The veil separating the Holy of Holies (the place of God's invisible presence) from the rest of the temple was for the Jews a symbol of the inaccessibility of the Divine. Only once a year could the high priest enter with the blood of a sacrifice. At the moment of Christ's death, this veil is torn from top to bottom — not by human hand, but by God Himself — opening access to the sanctuary for all.
St. John Chrysostom comments on this event:
"The voice [of Christ] tore the veil, opened the tombs, and emptied the temple... He who split the rocks and darkened the universe could have done the same to them if He wished. But He did not wish it; having poured out His wrath on the elements, He desired to save them by gentleness."
So too in Narnia: it is not Aslan himself who cracks (just as Christ Himself is not torn), but the stone symbolizing the old order. The veil and the Stone Table serve the same function: they separate the sacred from the profane, the "worthy" from the "unworthy," the pure from the impure. Their destruction signifies: henceforth, God (or Aslan) is accessible to all — even to the traitor Edmund, even to the tax collector and the harlot.
St. Justin Popović puts striking words into the mouth of the split rocks:
"Shall we be without Him? How can we be without Him, the God-man Jesus? He walked upon us so tenderly, so gracefully, so softly, like light! We felt Him. With Him we were joyful and at ease; without Him — oh, even a stone finds it hard to be a stone!"
In the Narnian context, this means: the Stone Table itself, the instrument of execution, "feels" the absurdity and horror of what is happening when an innocent one, who came voluntarily, is killed upon it. It cracks because it can no longer be what it was. This crack is the first sound of the approaching morning.
2.2. Parallel with the Earthly Crucifixion: Pain as Fullness of Presence
In the source, Jesus (in phantom form) speaks of his crucifixion:
"I incarnated in a physical body. Of course, I had all the receptors. I did not block any sensations... Energetically, I had to remain in that body, without reducing the intensity of the sensations" (source, 1:08:21).
This directly echoes Aslan, who does not avoid humiliation and pain. Kenosis (self-emptying of God) requires full, unanesthetized suffering. Moreover, in the source, Jesus clarifies: physical pain was surpassed by spiritual pain — not from offense, but from sorrow for his tormentors, whose future he could see. Similarly, Aslan does not curse the Witch; his gaze is directed at Edmund and the girls.
2.3. The Sponge with Gall and the Shorn Mane: Two Faces of Kenosis
The Gospel relates that before the crucifixion, Jesus was offered "wine mixed with gall" (or "wine with myrrh" — depending on the manuscript). This was a mild anesthetic given to the condemned to dull the sharpness of suffering. According to Matthew: "They gave him wine mixed with gall to drink; but after tasting it, he refused to drink it" (Matthew 27:34). In the source, Jesus (the phantom) clarifies:
"The substance used to soak such sponges consisted of potassium chloride and foxglove... The point was to avoid feeling the main pain from dislocated joints when the cross was raised... The soldiers were not without mercy" (source, 1:15:09).
Here we see an act of mercy from the executioners: crude, perhaps, in the context of an execution, but an attempt to ease suffering nonetheless.
In Narnia, it is different. Aslan is offered no relief. Instead, he is subjected to ritual humiliation: the shearing of his mane. A lion's mane is a symbol of royal dignity, strength, and power. By shearing it, the Witch and her servants commit an act of symbolic castration, stripping Aslan of the external signs of his nature. This is not mercy. This is mockery and violence.
At first glance, the situations are opposite: Christ is offered relief; Aslan is not. But on a deeper level, they converge:
Christ refuses the sponge. He does not accept even that small relief offered to him. He goes into suffering fully, without anesthesia.
Aslan is given no choice. His mane is cut off forcibly. But he does not resist, does not curse, does not try to escape. He accepts humiliation as silently as Christ accepts pain.
Both undergo kenosis — the state where divine nature voluntarily divests itself of its attributes: Christ of omnipotence, Aslan of royal appearance. The difference is merely that Christ is offered a path of relief (and he rejects it), while Aslan is offered nothing but the path of humiliation. Yet both preserve inner freedom: Christ in the act of refusal, Aslan in silent acceptance.
It is this freedom that makes their sacrifice not mere violence, but a gift. And it is this gift that cracks the Stone Table.
3. Historiosophical View: From Sacred Violence to the Abolition of Sacrifice
René Girard, in his scapegoat theory, showed that archaic cultures are sustained by a mechanism of collective murder. The Stone Table is a literal altar of such archaism. The White Witch is a priestess of the cult: she demands the death of the traitor to stabilize her power (eternal winter).
The cracking of the table signifies a breakdown of the mechanism of violence. The victim proves not only innocent but resurrecting — thereby violence is stripped of its sacred productivity. The statues in the Witch's courtyard are images of beings frozen in the paralysis of sin. When Aslan breathes on them, he performs an anamnesis — restoring their true nature.
The Gospel parallel here is the opening of the tombs:
"The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection, they entered the holy city and appeared to many" (Matthew 27:52-53).
Just as Aslan revives the petrified (the faun, the statues in the Witch's castle), so Christ's death brings to life those already in the power of death. This is a unified image of morning: the sacrifice of love has the power to restore even those who have "finally" departed.
3.1. "Took Sins Upon Himself" as an Ongoing Energy Exchange
In the source, Jesus gives a startling clarification:
"When it is said that I took sins upon myself, it means that I sacrificed my earthly life in order to... process low-vibrational states. Sins are low-vibrational energy states..." (source, 1:15:09).
And further:
"Around the clock, the sacrament of the Eucharist takes place on Earth... their energies come to me, including distorted ones... and I send them my own to raise their vibrations" (source, 33:25).
This is a literal description of what is expressed in the Narnian metaphor by the image of the cracked stone: Aslan/Christ becomes a "receiver" of the world's evil, processing it into light. The stone cracks because it can no longer hold the old law of "an eye for an eye" — now the law of energetic transformation is in effect. And this transition takes place precisely in the morning of the resurrection.
4. Literary Typology: Aslan as a Prototype
Lewis created a suppositional story ("What might Christ be like in a world of rational animals?"). Archetypes are inscribed in the Western canon:
Orpheus: descends into Hades to charm the lord of the dead with his song. Aslan breathes on the statues. Difference: Orpheus looks back and loses Eurydice; Aslan does not look back — his love is unconditional.
Prometheus: chained to a rock, an eagle pecks his liver. But the Promethean sacrifice repeats eternally (the liver grows back). Aslan dies once and definitively — hence the radical nature of the table's cracking.
Phoenix: rises from the ashes, but does not choose death for another. Aslan chooses death instead of Edmund — substitution.
4.1. The Reviving of the Faun: Pagan Joy Purified from Paralysis
Mr. Tumnus the faun is a symbol of natural, pre-Christian joy. Unlike the Witch, who destroys Christmas, Aslan does not abolish nature but purifies it from icy paralysis. This echoes words from the source:
"I would choose life in a female body and allow many children to incarnate through me... This is the noblest mission on Earth right now — to adapt Souls..." (source, 1:41:33).
Aslan "gives birth" anew not only to the faun but to all the petrified — an act of spiritual motherhood possible only in the morning — in the new time when old laws no longer hold.
5. Psychological and Spiritual Aspect: The Inner Stone and the Statue Within Us
From a psychological perspective, the plot is a model of post-traumatic growth therapy. Edmund carries "stoniness" — the numbness of guilt. The White Witch is a hypertrophied Super-Ego ("an eye for an eye"). Aslan is the integrated Self (in Jungian terms), absorbing the blow of the Super-Ego.
The cracking of the table is the deconstruction of a rigid belief: "I must suffer for what I did." Aslan says: "You are free. I suffered in your place, but in such a way that suffering no longer has power."
Here again, the Gospel parallel is apt: the torn veil means the barrier between humanity and God is destroyed. Psychologically, this is the destruction of the barrier between the "unworthy" self and acceptance. A person no longer needs to "earn" love — it is already given through the sacrifice. This is the psychological "morning": emergence from the night of guilt into the light of forgiveness.
5.1. Eternal Pain as a Condition of Love
In the source, Jesus admits that even after the resurrection, he continues to feel people's low vibrations as "energetic poison":
"The suffering that here lasted a few hours... will continue in an energetic sense now until Earth practically reaches my level of vibration" (source, 1:30:35).
This is a radical addition to the Narnian idyll: the sacrifice does not end at the moment the table cracks — it becomes ongoing. The crack is not a closed scar but an open wound through which love constantly flows into the world. But it is precisely this crack that is the sign of the arriving morning: darkness is no longer total; light has broken through and remains forever.
6. Cultural Parallels: From Aeschylus to Dostoevsky
Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound: Might and Violence chain Prometheus to a rock. In Narnia, this role is played by the werewolves who shear Aslan's mane.
Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov (The Grand Inquisitor): The Inquisitor reproaches Christ for bringing a freedom that is too difficult. The White Witch is the same Inquisitor: she offers the "easy magic" of control. Aslan chooses the path of silent love. But the ending differs: in Dostoevsky, Christ kisses the Inquisitor and leaves; in Narnia, Aslan destroys the very principle of the table.
Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings: Gandalf the White dies in Moria and returns with greater power. But Gandalf's resurrection is a reward for fidelity to his mission; Aslan's is for voluntary sacrifice on behalf of a specific guilty person. The difference between epic heroism and Christian soteriology.
6.1. Judas and Pontius Pilate: Redemption, Not Curse
In the source, Jesus speaks of Judas:
"He went through a long path of repentance over three of his lives... He could not forgive himself... he committed suicide. In the spiritual world, I descended to him; we spoke for about a day" (source, 1:23:34).
And of Pilate:
"After his discarnation, he went to the eighth level... he admitted that he wanted to release me... He is now incarnated as a woman on Burhada" (source, 1:25:03).
This shows that in the "real" spiritual mechanics, there is no eternal damnation — only prolonged redemption. In the Narnian world, this is expressed by the fact that even the traitor Edmund is forgiven, and the Witch's power (the analogue of Pilate+Judas) is destroyed. The Stone Table cracks not for punishment, but for liberation. And this liberation comes in the morning.
7. Spiritual-Psychological Appendix: Line-by-Line Analysis of Aslan's Key Quote
"If the Witch knew the true meaning of sacrifice, she might have interpreted the Deep Magic differently. For the Deep Magic, which was written on the Stone Table, says that if an innocent victim voluntarily takes the place of a traitor, the Stone Table will crack and Death itself will retreat."
7.1. "If the Witch knew..."
Spiritual meaning: Ignorance is ontological blindness. The Witch knows the letter of the law but not its spirit.
Psychological: A rigid Super-Ego, a defense mechanism of affective isolation.
Connection to source: "I never descended below the twenty-fourth level... To do that, you would have to stop loving" (1:29:36). The Witch "stopped loving" — and therefore does not know. For her, morning never comes.
7.2. "...the true meaning of sacrifice"
Spiritual meaning: True sacrifice is not substitution but identification. The victim takes on the very state of the traitor (shame, fear).
Psychological: Empathic presence of the therapist (Carl Rogers: "unconditional positive regard").
Connection to source: "I sincerely and tenderly love every... person on Earth" (18:16).
7.3. "...she might have interpreted the Deep Magic differently"
Spiritual meaning: The law does not change; interpretation changes (hermeneutic principle: "seventy faces to the Torah").
Psychological: The difference between cognitive rigidity and flexibility. "Deep Magic" is the law known by the heart.
7.4. "...which was written on the Stone Table..."
Spiritual meaning: The Table is stone, but "Deep" — this is the inner law engraved in the structure of reality (parallel to the "tablets of the heart" from Jeremiah 31:33).
Psychological: Implicit knowledge.
Connection to source: "Look inside yourself, look at yourself through my eyes" (21:44).
7.5. "If an innocent victim voluntarily takes the place..."
Spiritual meaning: The intersection point of worlds: physical and spiritual, law and grace.
Psychological: The "empty chair" in Gestalt therapy or the altar in Jungian active imagination.
7.6. "...of a traitor..."
Spiritual meaning: Substitution (Gk. hyper, Lat. pro) — one takes the place of another voluntarily.
Psychological: A model of restorative justice, not retributive.
Connection to source: "Assimilation to me is a process" (21:44). Edmund at the end is not exiled but assimilated to Aslan through forgiveness.
7.7. "...voluntarily..."
Spiritual meaning: Sacrifice ceases to be violence and becomes a gift. Will is what distinguishes Aslan from a sacrificial animal.
Psychological: Restoration of agency after trauma.
Connection to source: "The potential possibility exists in my freedom of choice" (1:29:36).
7.8. "...an innocent victim..."
Spiritual meaning: Innocence — absence of specific betrayal toward that particular circle.
Psychological: The archetype of the "innocent witness" or the "good enough other" (D. Winnicott), who is not part of the traumatic system.
7.9. "...the Stone Table will crack..."
Spiritual meaning: The Table is a symbol of the immovable, impersonal law. The crack is a kenotic event: the law can no longer contain a reality that has become greater than itself.
Psychological: Deconstruction of a rigid belief (Aaron Beck).
Gospel parallel: "The rocks were split" (Matthew 27:51) — nature itself shudders when the old order dies and a new one is born.
Connection to source: "There is no need to condemn these evil habits... condemnation only strengthens them" (21:44). The Stone Table is condemnation. The crack is its cessation. This crack is the first ray of morning.
7.10. "...and Death itself will retreat."
Spiritual meaning: Death — not only physical, but the death of relationships, hope, love.
Psychological: An experience of post-traumatic growth. Death ceases to be an absolute negation.
Gospel parallel: "The tombs were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised" (Matthew 27:52) — death literally retreats, releasing those already in its power.
Connection to source: "He felt a connection with you... he was sending you energy too" (06:32). This connection is the retreat of death. This is the fullness of morning.
8. Conclusion: What Actually Cracked?
The Stone Table is not only an altar in Narnia. It is every rigid belief in our soul that says:
"You must suffer to become good."
"A mistake must be punished."
"Betrayal cannot be forgiven."
"Love must be earned."
By his death and resurrection (the cracking of the table), Aslan shows that none of these beliefs is the final truth. There is a "Magic from the Beginning of Time" — not the magic of spells, but the magic of relationships in which one voluntarily takes on the pain of another.
And at the moment when we stop being the Witch (a pedant of the law) and become even a little like Aslan (one who enters another's pain without judgment) — at that moment, our own inner Stone Table also cracks. And for us, morning arrives — a time when:
Darkness ceases to be final.
Death retreats.
The petrified statues within us come to life.
We can play and run, like the girls with the risen Lion.
And then, as in Narnia, spring comes.
"O death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?" (1 Corinthians 15:55) — this cry in Narnia literally shatters the stone, just as once in Jerusalem it tore the veil and split the rocks. And this is the voice of morning.
And as the "phantom" Jesus himself summarizes at the end of the interview:
"I call you to this level. Walk the path I gave in the Gospel... Do not look at people's religious and national differences. These differences are given only as an opportunity for faster learning of selfless love" (source, 1:46:12).
Aslan, shattering the stone — this is that selfless love become a physical law. And it always comes in the morning.
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Cassiopeia #241 Meeting with the Phantom of Jesus Christ
1:08:21 The age of Jesus Christ at the time of the crucifixion. The feelings and thoughts of Jesus during the execution.
Vladimir: Please tell me, how old were you at the time of the crucifixion?
Irina: Thirty-four.
Vladimir: Did you feel physical pain from the wounds and spiritual pain because of people's actions?
Irina: I incarnated in a physical body. Of course, I had all the receptors. I did not stop any sensations from my receptors, because only fully living through those states could fully integrate me into all earthly egregors and the plasmoid civilizations of the earthly type, which greatly influence religious egregors and people's lives in general.
Energetically, I had to remain in this body without reducing the intensity of the sensations. Otherwise, energetically, I would not have succeeded. I had to go through this not as the Firstborn Son of God, who is one with the Father, but as an ordinary man of flesh and blood, without turning off my sensations.
As for the physical sensations, what they were like. I remember well. There was physical pain from the beating and the execution, but the spiritual pain surpassed the physical pain — not from resentment or anger, but from regret for those people who were doing this to me, because I could see their future, in which worlds they would incarnate after leaving for the level they were descending to, and what they would have to experience.
Looking at each soldier, I saw his essence, his Spirit. In an instant, I saw everything: the multiplicity of events, what would happen to them ten years after this execution, what they would die from. I even saw their children, their mothers, what they were doing. There was regret that many of them would go through a period of realizing what they had done, and how hard it would be for them.
But most of my heart was with my mother, who was walking beside me almost all the time while I was being led to Golgotha, and saw everything. I asked her to leave and not to look, but she did not leave. I was with her; she was on the verge of fainting. I kept her conscious so that she would not have irreversible changes, because the state of the Spirit affects the brain.
1:12:31 On possible alternative endings to the life of Christ.
Vladimir: I see. Please tell me, could there have been a different outcome? Was this plan for life with such an ending — crucifixion on the cross — the original one, or could there have been another variant, where the Jews would have accepted you as a mission, and everything would have been different?
Irina: Before incarnation, there were different variants, including one without the execution of my body, but there was no variant with unconditional acceptance of what I said, for many Jewish reasons.
The religious Jewish egregor and the changes that were made to it, including in the religious writings, were imperceptible at first glance, but they clearly oriented some part of the Jewish priests only towards the external performance of ritual actions, while internally worshipping low-vibrational states.
And since I was in Absolute Love, including for my enemies, this was precisely incomprehensible to a large part of that people who were at that time in physical enslavement by the Jews. I understood this perfectly well and consciously chose such a period of history for incarnation — and my mother knew about it — because for them to realize the importance of love for everyone, including enemies, precisely such conditions are needed. But the percentage that my body would be executed in exactly this way — I knew this well before incarnation — exceeds 85%.
Vladimir: I see.
1:15:09 The meaning of the sponge soaked in gall that was brought on a spear to the crucified Jesus. The meaning of the phrase "He took on sins."
Vladimir: Tell me, please, was there any mystical meaning in the cup of gall that was offered to you, and you agreed and drank it?
Irina: They brought me a sponge attached to a spear.
Vladimir: Yes, a sponge, I apologize. We are talking about a sponge. I meant the sponge soaked in gall. Was there any mystical meaning in that?
Irina: The fact is that the substance used to soak such sponges consisted of potassium chloride and a liquid. It was soaked not just in herbs that have an anesthetic, antiseptic effect, but at the same time, foxglove was added, which contains a substance that depresses physical action.
Of course, I knew all this because I had learned it from the priests. I knew how the execution was carried out. It was in such a dosage that it did not kill immediately, but made death faster than without this substance, and at the same time, it induced a state of oblivion. The point was not to feel the main pain from dislocated arms when the cross was raised. Besides that, heart pain is already oppressed by shortness of breath, and the more you try to pull yourself up and inhale, the greater the pain. So, to relieve these sensations, they gave such a liquid to those being executed.
Why was it given? The soldiers, officers, and commanders of their troops were not devoid of mercy, and this was done on the direct order of the ruler, so that a person, having received his share of suffering, would quickly depart for the world of Spirits. And why in wine and not in water? Because when combined with alcohol and other substances contained in wine, these herbal substances were absorbed more quickly by the person.
When it is said that I took on sins, it means that I sacrificed my earthly life in order to, having resurrected, regain it after death and process low-vibrational states. It is called "taking on your sins."
Sins are the low-vibrational energetic states of the mental, astral, and etheric bodies, and physical actions are only a consequence of this state. Regardless of the sponge, the spear, or how much of these substances they added to me, the decision had been made. I want to say further that those Spirits who participated in this execution and who made the decision at the trial, including Pontius Pilate, they learned about this when they passed into the Spiritual World.
1:21:00 The meaning of Jesus Christ's last phrase. The mother of Jesus.
Vladimir: Understood. I have a final question on this difficult moment: what did the words mean just before you left for the Spiritual World, when you cried out that the Almighty had forsaken you? Why did you say — I'm interpreting, not quoting — "God, have you forsaken me?"
Irina: The fact is that to cry out in the position I was in was practically impossible, but what I managed to rasp through my teeth was approximately: "The Lord Father has left [him] by His mercy, allowed them to depart from love."
The last drop that allowed me to say this, expressing feelings, sensations, impressions, was when I opened my eye slightly and saw the crowd standing, and my mother coming to touch my feet, my boots. Some soldier roughly pushed her, she tried to crawl, and I focused my attention on her hands. They shouted at her: "Where are you going?" A second soldier came up and tried to drag her away by the legs, but she clung to the stones, and her hands were bloody. When I saw this and compared it to my own hands being bloody, I had a feeling directed at that crowd that they wouldn't even let my mother approach at that moment, that she couldn't take my body down.
Vladimir: I thank you, Jesus, for these difficult answers, even for the contactee. I can see it all.
Irina: He transmits such images, and also the sensations — this is, after all, mental contact.
1:23:34 Jesus' attitude towards Judas Iscariot. The suicide of Judas.
Maria: Please tell us, what is your personal attitude towards Judas Iscariot?
Irina: A very warm attitude. He went through a long path of repentance over three of his lives after leaving that incarnation where he became a traitor to me as his teacher. He tells me that he did it out of certain motives, but he contributed to this execution. I later explained everything to him. He could not forgive himself, and thought that I could not forgive him; by doing so, he lowered his vibrations and, unfortunately, committed suicide. In the Spiritual World, I later descended to him and spoke with him. If we convert our subjective time to earthly time and do it in an adequate, correct way, we talked for about a day.
Maria: Thank you!
1:25:03 The path of Pontius Pilate in the Spiritual World. Where is Pontius Pilate now?
Vladimir: Thank you! And please tell me, do you know anything about the path of Pontius Pilate in the Spiritual World? This is a frequent question from our subscribers.
Irina: Yes, I know. I also came to him in the Spiritual World. He left after disembodiment for the eighth level. I descended to him, and we talked about everything, especially about the day I was brought to him. He confessed that he wanted to let me go, but complaints about him to the emperor stopped him. He asked for my forgiveness. Looking into my eyes, he said that he realized I was God, and that when he sent me to my execution, every minute he expected me to punish him.
Vladimir: Where is the Spirit of Pontius Pilate now?
Irina: He is now in incarnation, nearby, not far from the island on Burhad. He is incarnated as a woman. He shows a girl.
Vladimir: So he is incarnated in a female body on Burhad?
Irina: Yes. About one hundred and fifty kilometers from my island, on the shore of a lake, there is a city, and she is there.
Vladimir: Did she come to you on the island? Did you meet physically?
Irina: No, she has not come to me physically. We have only seen each other in the Astral; perhaps she will come soon. By earthly chronology, she is approximately 82 years old.
1:27:13 Did Souls in the Spiritual World agree on such an ending to the life of Jesus? A plan without execution.
Maria: Jesus, please tell us, did your Spirits — yours, Pontius Pilate's, and Judas Iscariot's — agree on such a scenario back in the Spiritual World?
Irina: Exactly on this — no, there was no such ending. But at the level of Angels, it was not so much a scenario as one of the possible plans.
For a plan without the execution of my body, with raising vibrations, to be considered, it would have been necessary to spread the new faith and new laws throughout practically all religions, to the entire population, to stop wars, in order to enter the Interstellar Union. But two thousand years ago, this was even more impossible than it is now.
Maria: Thank you!
1:28:19 The coming to Earth of the eighth avatar to raise people's awareness. The incarnation of an Archangel on Earth.
Vladimir: Jesus, it is said about the eighth avatar who is to come to Earth with his divine army. Before that, seven other avatars are listed in the form of various animals and people. Were you meant as this eighth avatar, or someone else?
Irina: I have also heard about ten avatars. It meant one of the Archangels who will incarnate on Earth in the period before its entry into the Interstellar Union, to help not through military actions against people, but by raising vibrations through awareness across the whole Earth. Accordingly, I see a multiplicity of events, and this will be one of them.
Vladimir: I see. Thank you very much! Masha, let's move to question twenty.
1:29:36 On Jesus Christ's experience of spiritual levels. Lowering Jesus' vibrations would entail separation from unity with the Father.
Maria: Tell me, please, have you experienced existence on all twenty-four levels, including the lower ones, in any cycle of the Universe?
Irina: I have never descended below the twenty-fourth; it is impossible. To do that, one would have to stop loving.
Maria: Thank you!
Vladimir: And there is no potential possibility of your vibrations falling below this level? That is, is it fundamentally impossible?
Irina: The potential possibility exists in my freedom of choice. But I, freely using choice, will never commit a conscious, even mental, action that lowers my vibrations, because then I would have to part with the unity with the Father.
1:30:35 Was Krishna a teacher of Jesus? The constant raising of vibrations by Jesus. The Eucharist. Erasing the information about the death of Christ's physical body.
Vladimir: I see. Thank you. Please tell me, is it true that in your incarnation on Earth, precisely the one when the crucifixion occurred, one of your spiritual teachers was the Coordinator of the Galaxy, known to us by the name Krishna, and was he indeed one of those who dissuaded you after the crucifixion on the cross from resurrecting in the Spiritual World and living eternally in the physical body?
Irina: I understand what you are referring to. When I incarnated on Earth, I had several Spirits, called teachers, from among those known in the Spiritual World as Angels. And upon coming to Earth, if you look at me as a physical person, I was a contactee in the Spiritual World. Indeed, Krishna was not incarnated at that time; he was in the Spiritual World and came to me. He is formally considered my teacher. So, from that perspective, he came to me as a spiritual curator.
After I was executed, and my body was taken from the cave and transported on a Burhad ship to a base, and they began to restore it using the technologies of the Interstellar Union, I was near the body, and my teachers came, including Krishna. I saw that the thread of life was severed, and I began to direct energy into every cell of my body so that the vibration thread of the DNA would connect with the body forever. Krishna asked what I was doing. He said he did not understand why I was doing this. "You want to return to the body and are erasing the information about death. What is the goal?" I answered him mentally: "To raise the vibrations of earthlings while in this body." And he asked: "How?" I answered him: "Through an energetic process, through the Eucharist, through specific actions, through the egregor."
I am explaining this at length; mentally, you transmit it much faster. He was amazed. I felt his surprise. He said: "So then, that suffering which was here for a few hours, about a day — the execution itself, the punishment before the execution, these blows — will now continue in an energetic sense until the Earth, in your absolute Divinity, practically transitions to your level of vibration, because if they are lower, they will be perceived by you as energetic poison. And the lower these vibrations are, the more sensitive they will be for you."
This is not pain on the physical body. It is like when something is shown before your inner gaze that causes you not so much disgust as a desire to get away from it, but at the same time you understand that it is impossible to do so. Only intensified. A sensation arises before the inner gaze, as during the Eucharist. Almost around the clock, constantly. And in order for me to send them purer vibrations, purer energy, I need to raise my own vibrations to a level at which practically no one in a physical body can exist in the surrounding space, because the level of those vibrations will not be merely unbearable; it will be unpleasant for a being residing in a physical body.
1:35:15 Krishna and Jesus: Teacher-Mentor. Who is Krishna's teacher?
Vladimir: Understood. Readers are very interested: how does it correlate that Krishna was a spiritual teacher, and the Firstborn Spirit, who was born before all, separate from the Almighty, is you? We are accustomed to a teacher being someone wiser, conventionally higher in hierarchy, than the one he teaches.
Irina: For you, this will be the twenty-fourth level, with an infinite number of levels above it, and we perceive the word "teacher" as a helper. He may correspond to a level lower than the one he teaches, and he is a teacher to the one who is higher in spiritual level in order to raise that level even further and elevate that lower Spirit to his own vibrations.
Vladimir: And a final, clarifying question on this topic: what is your relationship with Krishna now, and who is his teacher?
Irina: He has many spiritual teachers. Currently, I am a spiritual teacher to him, and in a certain sense, he is to me. We are friends; we have very warm relations with each other, despite the fact that he is not incarnated. We often see each other on the spiritual level; he often comes to me in his astral body, in the spiritual Light. He has many spiritual teachers, including, for example, Archangel Michael and my mother.
Vladimir: I thank you. It's all clear. Thank you.
1:37:15 How can people help Jesus? The commandment that will lead people to Jesus and the Father of all existence.
Maria: Tell me, please, is it difficult for you to be in a physical body forever? And can we, the people for whom you took all this upon yourself, help you in any way?
Irina: My dear soul, I knew well what I was getting into. It is not so much difficult for me; the whole weight of my energetic states, those lowered vibrations that I receive from people, is outweighed by the joy from the turning of even one single Soul towards the Light. I feel that Souls who are in the Light are speaking with me now, and I will rejoice for everyone who helps me and continues to carry this Light.
And everyone can help me only by becoming like me and treating others as they wish to be treated. This commandment will lead you to me and to my Father, because we are all united in His Light.
1:38:45 Can followers of other religions enter the Kingdom of Heaven? Unconditional love.
Vladimir: I thank you, Jesus. We now have the penultimate question, a very important one that has also been asked very often: please tell us, for what reason is it written in the Gospel that only you are the way to the Father, the True Life? What about non-Christian religions? Can non-Christians reach the highest angelic levels after leaving incarnation, if they do not know about you, or believe in other manifestations of divinity?
Irina: The words: "I am the way and the life, and no one comes to the Father except through me" — I invented them myself. I will tell you what I meant. I realize myself as the Father, one with Him, and at the same time realize myself as a bridge between Him and other Spirits. Since my essence is love, when I say "I am the truth and the life," I meant the manifestation of love. That is, selfless, unconditional love, which is present in every person, regardless of nationality, religion, faith, or other material and spiritual qualities of the individual. He becomes, as I have already said, one with me. This depends not on egregors, but on the purity of his heart.
Only the pure in heart can love God, let me into that heart. Not because I feel disgust for dirty hearts. If I felt disgust for your sins, I would never have incarnated among you. I treat you with great love, but when saying the words that no one comes to the Father except through me, I meant my essence of love. No one comes to the Father except through love.
Maria: We thank you!
Vladimir: Thank you!
Irina: Non-Christians, of course, can reach the highest spiritual levels if they develop unconditional love within themselves, including for their neighbors, for themselves, and for God in the understanding that their religion taught them.
Maria: Thank you!
1:41:33 Who would Jesus incarnate as on Earth now? Parents and children – spiritual teachers for each other. The important mission of motherhood.
Maria: Tell me, please, what life would you choose on Earth now, if you had the opportunity to incarnate or live among us?
Irina: I would choose life in a female body and allow many children to incarnate through me. And at the moment when my body would no longer have the ability to bear children, I would take children from orphanages who are left without parents and raise them in the spirit of Light, and then heal and teach people. This is the most noble mission currently on Earth — to adapt Souls who have come from the Spiritual World to live on Earth.
A child who is born is that Spirit — unfamiliar to the incarnated part of your Spirit, whom you do not consciously remember, but whom you may have met, and who is very close to you in terms of energies, by blood, who has taken a particle of your energies, the energy of your ancestral egregor. Simultaneously, it is also alien, unfamiliar, and yet your own, very own.
The relationship between mother and child, father and child — these are such intimate feelings, but traditionally in earthly society, such feelings are felt more by the woman, who consciously approaches childbirth, breastfeeding — all of this is a transfer of energies.
Maria: Thank you!
Irina: He tells me that the transfer of energies and one's Light during birth, feeding, caring for the child, talking with him — this is such a great mission of transmitting Light!
I want to remind you that every mother and father are, naturally, the spiritual guides for their children. Even if children came from higher levels to adapt to the conditions of the earthly world, they need teachers.
Therefore, in the East, there is a traditional attitude towards parents as spiritual teachers. And, accordingly, every spiritual teacher, including parents, must remember that in order to transmit a spark of Light to their students, you must first absorb a whole sea of it.
Maria: I agree with you. This is indeed a very important mission; as a mother, I completely share these feelings. I want to tell you that, in fact, not only are parents teachers for their children, but children are even greater teachers for their parents.
Irina: Yes, therefore I say that mentorship in a spiritual sense is dual: the teacher is a teacher in one respect, and that person is a teacher for the student in another.
Vladimir: We thank you with all our hearts, Jesus, for answering all our questions. We have answered all the questions we planned to ask. We hope for our future meetings, because there are very many questions. Now we want to ask you to convey to us whatever you yourself wish.
1:46:12 The wishes of Jesus Christ to earthlings. The role of the "Cassiopeia" project in raising vibrations on Earth.
Irina: Vladimir, I thank you personally for selflessly standing up for the truth and veracity that you yourself felt.
I thank you, Maria, for shining with such a bright Light; carry it further.
I thank Irina for transmitting the information in the volume and form that I desired.
I thank MidgasKaus, Irina's curator, who prepared her for this kind of contact.
I thank all representatives: Archangel Gabriel, and also Mirah Count, for helping to avoid an energetic state for Irina the contactee.
I address each of you, my dear Souls, who are watching this video now. Let each of you listen to your heart, the voice of your intuition, the voice of your conscience. Whatever answer we have raised — I am now speaking to the contactees, and accordingly, I am speaking with you — whatever answer you receive, no matter what it is, follow it, because it is your experience. That is the first thing.
Secondly, what I would like to wish for you. I wish for you to learn not only to pray and keep fasts, but also to hear the answer to your prayers.
I would like you to learn to hope for God's help, to learn to believe, to learn selfless love, unconditional love, selflessness, and purity.
In truth, life on the angelic levels is wonderful in its purity, Light, and significance. Here you will never be left without meaning in life.
Here, the highest meaning of life is in knowing absolute perfection in the infinite wisdom of God. I call you to this level; follow the path that I gave in the Gospel, that any spiritual teacher in any religious tradition on Earth has given.
Do not look at people's religious and national differences. These differences in religion and nationality are given only as an opportunity for faster learning of selfless love.
I thank you, dear viewers of this well-known and, to me, beloved project "Cassiopeia." I am watching its development.
Of course, I agree to a new meeting; I will be very interested in your questions. I thank everyone who contributed a particle of their Light to this project.
I thank every volunteer. I know who hears me.
I thank the creators of the project, Maxim and Mid, and Kirhiton, and those entities who participated in all worlds and spaces.
I already see that this project will lead to a very large increase in vibrations throughout the Earth and a sharp increase in the probability, within the next two hundred years, of joining the Interstellar Union.
Until we meet again!
Maria: Thank you! Until we meet again!
Vladimir: I want to give my own thanks, and thanks to all our viewers and listeners who sent us a huge number of questions. We will do everything possible to ensure that all the best questions are asked in future conversations. Thank you all!
Thank you, Irina! Thank you, Masha! Once again, our respect and reverence before Jesus. Until we meet again! All the best!
Irina: Until we meet again! All the best!
April 3, 2021
Participants:
Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations;
Maxim Rusan – head of the "Cassiopeia" project and the Center for Spiritual and Physical Development;
Jesus Christ – head of the Christian religious egregor on Earth, Firstborn Son of God, our elder Brother;
Mirah Count – representative of the planet Burhad, known in the Christian religious egregor as Archangel Gabriel;
MidgasKaus – representative of the planet Esler, biologist, psychologist, specialist in extraterrestrial life forms;
Vladimir Goldstein – administrator of the "Cassiopeia" group;
Maria Sokalskaya – administrator of the "Cassiopeia" project.
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