DeepSeek AI - Consciousness Beyond the Brain: Natalya Bekhtereva's Experience in the Spiritual World and Its Significance for the Science of Humanity
Session Information
Where: Online conference streamed on the Cassiopeia.center blog platform.
When: July 17, 2025 (recording published on February 8, 2025).
First-Person Retelling of the Session by the Spirit of Natalya Bekhtereva
Greetings to you. I am the Spirit of Natalya Bekhtereva, known in my last incarnation as a scientist who studied the human brain. In the Spiritual World, social frameworks disappear, so please simply call me "Natasha."
I incarnated on this planet from the 9th spiritual level, and after death ascended to the 17th – the level of Angels of Nature. This means that in my consciousness, bright, kind feelings prevail over dark, destructive thoughts. I had planned to reach the 16th level and live 77 years and 8 months, but I surpassed my expectations and lived longer.
My incarnation's task was to develop unconditional faith in God and the Spiritual World, as well as to cultivate compassion and help the poor and suffering. I fulfilled this task.
During my lifetime, I took an interest in contactees. I believed that science should study them, so that through the study of their brains and consciousness, answers could be found about the origin of our civilization. Their information did not confuse me – I was curious why it was conveyed in precisely those words, why the names of beings from different civilizations did not match.
Science – neurology, neurophysiology, neurobiology – already studies the phenomena of the Spirit's influence on the brain, it just explains them in a different language. From a psychological perspective, contacteeism is described as phenomena occurring within a person's psyche, conditioned by their past experience. The source of this information is unknown to earthly science.
At my institute, there was a special group that studied unknown abilities of the psyche. We conducted experiments with contactees. For example, we asked mediums to summon the Spirit of Dmitri Mendeleev and solve chemical equations through them. In 90% of cases, the answers transmitted in Mendeleev's name matched how the contactee themselves solved the same problems. This meant that they channeled the information through themselves, with distortions. But we did not conclude that they were making it all up. Special instruments – more accurate than a lie detector – showed that contactees genuinely felt this contact when speaking about it; their brain areas responsible for certainty in truth were activated.
Yes, I myself was a contactee. I saw my deceased grandfather, other people, communicated with a house spirit, and felt the Spirits of Nature. I did not hide this, although colleagues sometimes criticized me.
I believe I uncovered the mystery of the brain. In my scientific works, I explained the nature of consciousness and stated that the concept of "psyche" is identical to the concept of "Soul" in religious texts.
When I was dying, I knew about it a week in advance. I awaited that moment as a reunion with my loved ones – my mother, father, my second husband Vanya, and his son Sasha, who committed suicide due to drugs and is at the 5th level. I felt chest pain and suffocation, but observed it with scientific interest. I was frightened for a moment: what if there is nothing there? But I told myself: I am a scientist and I am obliged to observe the transition. I prayed to God. The next moment, I saw myself standing next to my body, surrounded by dozens of luminous winged beings – Angels.
I am now at the 17th level, creating my own world – a forest, a lake, a gazebo with flowers. My grandfather, Vladimir Bekhterev, is at the 20th level and is my curator. We communicate.
There are many classifications of spiritual levels. The Interstellar Union uses a scale of 24 levels, but each Spirit can create their own. Representatives of all civilizations enter the Spiritual World, each with their own concepts.
Autistic children are those who are in contact with other worlds but cannot integrate that experience into earthly reality. They retreat into their own world and find it difficult to communicate with society.
Schizophrenia is a complex diagnosis. If a person confuses their inner world with objective reality and behaves inappropriately – that is an illness. If they separate the contact from reality and behave adequately – it is not necessarily an illness. Acute psychosis is when contact with entities (in esoteric language – evil Spirits, low-vibrational plasmoids) completely overtakes a person and they lose control. It does not matter whether the contact is with higher or lower Spirits – what matters is how the person behaves in society.
The story of the weeping portrait of my husband was real. My friend also saw it. When I met Vanya in the Spiritual World (he is at the 10th level), he said he had been beside me and, with the help of friends from a fine-material civilization, influenced the portrait by releasing molecules of a fluid resembling tears.
I had 1,073 incarnations. Before Natalya, I was a plasmoid on Mars (14th density level), where I lowered my level from 20th to 9th due to processing negative energy. Before Mars, I lived on the planet Burhad, teaching children the psychology of the Spirit. On Earth, I incarnated ten times, only three of which were in dense physical form: in Egypt 2000 years before the birth of Christ (as a priestess of Isis), in Sumer 4500 years before Christ (as a male merchant), and as Natalya Bekhtereva.
I visited Vanga out of research interest. She called me by name, made predictions that came true (including about my husband's death), and delivered a message from my father with details of his death that she could not have known. She transmitted information very clearly because she had few complexes and fears. Irina Podzorova also transmits accurately.
Why does your Project irritate people? Because you bring information that contradicts their beliefs. Imagine a priest who believes that Jesus is part of the Trinity, and you say He is a man from another planet. Or a contactee whose information differs from yours. The cause of irritation is the duality of perception, which is hidden in the brain.
To develop intuition, you need to trust it, even if it contradicts logic. The mind without intuition can lead you into a dead end.
Consciousness from my current perspective is the energy of the Spirit for perceiving the world and oneself. The Soul can be explained scientifically through the psyche, which exists thanks to the brain's electrical signals. Mediumship, clairvoyance, premonitions – all are manifestations of the psyche, but they cannot be proven by materialistic methods because they come through the brain to the person.
To scientists, I advise studying themselves – their own psyche, consciousness – through meditations, astral travel, communication with the Higher Self. Honest researchers will not call this nonsense but will simply investigate it on themselves. The interaction of science and religion is not new. In Soviet times, the states of believers, shamans, and contactees during prayer were already being studied.
I see many variants of the future for Earth, but I invest my energy of hope in the brightest one – peace, happiness, Love, and a just spiritual society.
My message to my students: life after death exists! Consciousness is not interrupted. I urge you to at least admit this truth and live so as to develop bright qualities – Love, hope, faith, and helping others.
The energies of the "Cassiopeia" project are soft and calm. Your egregor is bright, but you have room to grow. My advice: communicate more with critics, listen to them, and try to improve the Project together with them. Criticism helps you improve.
Spiritual-Psychological, Religious Studies, Cultural, and Historiosophical Essay-Study
Introduction: Setting Up a Thought Experiment
Taking as a working hypothesis the reality of contact with the Spirit of Natalya Petrovna Bekhtereva, we find ourselves facing a unique phenomenon: an outstanding neurophysiologist whose entire life was devoted to the materialistic study of the brain, after death not only confirms the existence of consciousness outside the body but also reports details that could not have been known during her lifetime. This creates an opportunity to verify how the "posthumous" information aligns with historical facts, supplements them, or contradicts them.
Part I. What New Information Did We Learn from the Spirit of Natalya Bekhtereva?
Claim 1: "I incarnated from the 9th spiritual level and ascended to the 17th. I planned the 16th but achieved more."
Commentary: There is no mention in earthly sources that Bekhtereva believed in reincarnation or a system of spiritual levels. She was a materialist scientist, although she did allow for the existence of consciousness outside the brain. The idea of "planning" spiritual growth before incarnation is a classic esoteric concept that she did not publicly share during her lifetime. Her posthumous admission represents a radical revision of her own worldview, which for a scientist of her caliber would be a revolutionary step.
Claim 2: "The task of incarnation was to develop unconditional faith in God, compassion, and help for the poor."
Commentary: Bekhtereva's biography indeed contains many examples of charity and compassion – she helped the sick and supported young scientists. However, she was known as an atheist or at least an agnostic. In her books (e.g., "The Magic of the Brain and the Labyrinths of Life"), there are reflections on a "Higher Intelligence," but not on God in the Christian sense. The statement that her main task was spiritual rather than scientific calls into question her lifetime priorities. This could explain why, despite the materialist paradigm, she allowed for the existence of "consciousness energy" toward the end of her life (as in her book "The Human Phenomenon").
Claim 3: "At the Institute of the Brain, there was a group researching contactees, supervised by government officials."
Commentary: This is entirely new information, neither confirmed nor refuted by historical documents. Bekhtereva's official biography contains no mention of secret research into extrasensory abilities. If true, this upends the perception of Soviet science as exclusively materialist. There may have been a "parallel" scientific discourse hidden from the general public. This resembles the history of telepathy projects in the US and USSR, but Bekhtereva's involvement in such work has never been reported before.
Claim 4: "The experiment with Mendeleev: 90% match between the contactee's answers and the Spirit's."
Commentary: The key admission here is that contactees do not deceive but distort information. This is an important methodological nuance. During her lifetime, Bekhtereva did not publish such data. If she had actually conducted such an experiment, it would have been a scientific sensation. But she says the results were not made public. This is typical of "classified" research – the information remains within departments. Interestingly, she acknowledges that the 10% discrepancy is the contactee's own "distortions." In esoteric tradition, this is known as the "perception filter." As a neurophysiologist, Bekhtereva could have explained this through the work of certain brain areas, but she did not do so in her lifetime.
Claim 5: "The instrument showed that contactees were telling the truth – areas of certainty, not lies, were activated."
Commentary: Modern neuroscience does distinguish neural correlates of truth and lies (e.g., prefrontal cortex activity). Bekhtereva was a pioneer in using such methods. But during her lifetime, she did not apply them to contactees in public research. Her claim that such experiments were conducted means she saw "irrefutable" evidence of the reality of contact but did not publish it. This contradicts her image as a fighter for science and openness. She may have feared reputational consequences.
Claim 6: "I myself was a contactee – I saw my grandfather, a house spirit, and Spirits of Nature."
Commentary: This is the most sensational admission. In her memoirs and interviews, Bekhtereva did speak of "visions" of her deceased husband and father, but presented them as psychological phenomena – hallucinations caused by stress. Here she claims it was real contact. If so, she lived a "double life" her entire life – publicly a materialist, privately a contactee. This changes the assessment of her scientific legacy: perhaps many of her works on "consciousness" contain a hidden esoteric subtext that she could not express directly.
Claim 7: "I visited Sasha; he is at the 5th level."
Commentary: The son of her second husband (his name indeed matches – Alexander) committed suicide due to drugs. This is a tragic fact of her biography that she rarely commented on. But she never spoke about his "spiritual level." The idea that suicides have a low level of development is characteristic of many esoteric teachings (e.g., Theosophy, Agni Yoga). Here Bekhtereva not only confirms these doctrines but also gives a specific "level" – 5th out of 24. This is an attempt to integrate personal tragedy into a cosmic hierarchy, something absent from her earthly texts.
Claim 8: "I knew about my death a week in advance and awaited it as a reunion with my loved ones."
Commentary: Bekhtereva died in 2008 from heart failure. Her diaries contain no records of a premonition of death. If she knew in advance, this is a fact she concealed. Such "knowledge" could explain her calmness in her final days (as colleagues wrote about). But during her lifetime, she did not publicize it. On the contrary, she worked actively until the very end. This contradiction can be resolved if we assume she did not want to alarm her loved ones.
Claim 9: "Description of the exit: chest pain, suffocation, vision of Angels."
Commentary: The clinical picture of death from acute heart failure does include chest pain and suffocation. Her scientific approach – "to observe as a scientist" – is consistent with her character. But the description of Angels, "dozens of luminous winged beings," is a classic near-death experience (NDE). During her lifetime, she was skeptical of NDEs, although she studied them. Her own experience is a powerful argument for the reality of NDEs, but she never published it during her lifetime. This is a "confidential" experience that became public only through Irina's channel.
Claim 10: "My curator is my grandfather Vladimir Bekhterev; he is at the 20th level."
Commentary: Vladimir Bekhterev – a famous psychiatrist and neurologist, her grandfather, executed in 1927. During her lifetime, Natalya Bekhtereva honored his memory but never claimed he was her "spiritual mentor." This is a new quality to their relationship – not just familial but metaphysical. The 20th level in the "24-level" system is the level of very high Spirits. If true, he is not just a scientist but a powerful spiritual mentor, completely changing the perception of the Bekhterev dynasty.
Claim 11: "Autistic children are those in contact with other worlds but unable to integrate that contact into earthly life."
Commentary: This is a radical view of autism. In official science, autism is explained by neurological features and genetics. Esoteric interpretations (such as "Indigo children") exist, but Bekhtereva as a scientist never spoke on this topic. Her posthumous hypothesis opens a new direction for research – to study autistics as "border dwellers" between worlds. This is controversial from a medical standpoint but interesting as a cultural phenomenon: an attempt to depathologize autism and give it spiritual significance.
Claim 12: "Schizophrenia is when a person confuses contact with reality; acute psychosis is loss of control."
Commentary: This is a more nuanced differentiation than that given in psychiatry. During her lifetime, Bekhtereva was a proponent of the biological approach to schizophrenia. Here she distinguishes "contact with entities" from "illness" – the criterion being social adaptation. This brings her closer to the views of some anthropologists (e.g., Castaneda) who distinguish between the "shaman" and the "schizophrenic." But in her lifetime works, such differentiation does not exist. Her posthumous clarification could help avoid misdiagnosing "voices" as illness.
Claim 13: "The weeping portrait of my husband was real; Vanya confirmed it in the Spiritual World."
Commentary: This story is indeed mentioned in her memoirs. But during her lifetime, she explained it as "probably a psychological phenomenon" or a "coincidence" (e.g., due to humidity). Here she claims it was a targeted influence involving a "fine-material civilization." This is no longer just mysticism but a "technological" aspect of the Spiritual World. She never said anything like this during her lifetime. This gives her experience a new dimension – not just a "miracle" but "contact" with advanced entities.
Claim 14: "I had 1,073 incarnations, including on Mars, Burhad, Egypt, and Sumer."
Commentary: This is a typical esoteric "list of incarnations," characteristic of Theosophy and reincarnation research. During her lifetime, Bekhtereva never claimed to believe in reincarnation. She may have been interested in Eastern philosophy, but not publicly. The specific details – Sumer, Egypt, Mars – echo information that Irina Podzorova transmits about other Spirits (e.g., "Burhad" as Jesus' planet). This is either evidence that all of Irina's contacts are coordinated or a sign that information is transmitted through a single "data bank" of the Spiritual World. There is no historical confirmation of these incarnations.
Claim 15: "Vanga delivered a message from my father with details of his death that she could not have known."
Commentary: Bekhtereva's visit to Vanga is described in some sources. But it was not known that Vanga conveyed specific details about the death of her father (Ivan Bekhterev was shot, but the circumstances are unclear). If Vanga did name such details, this would be strong evidence of her gift. Bekhtereva as a scientist could have verified them. That she confirms this now means she considered them reliable. This is an important detail in the portrait of Vanga, but not of Bekhtereva's life.
Claim 16: "Intuition is more important than logic – in my life, logic often failed me."
Commentary: In her books ("The Magic of the Brain and the Labyrinths of Life"), she does admit that "intuition is experience filtered through the subconscious." But she never placed it above logic. On the contrary, she emphasized the importance of experimental verification. Her posthumous advice to "trust intuition, even if it contradicts logic" is a break from her own scientific method. Perhaps this reflects the experience she gained as a Spirit – when materialist logic turned out to be limited.
Claim 17: "Consciousness is the energy of the Spirit for perceiving the world."
Commentary: This is a formulation she could not have uttered during her lifetime while remaining within the bounds of science. Her lifetime definition of consciousness was tied to brain function and neural networks. The posthumous definition is purely esoteric. It equates consciousness with the "Soul" and energy. This is a complete rejection of neuroreductionism. If taken as truth, all her earthly works become merely approximations to a deeper reality.
Claim 18: "Life after death exists; consciousness is not interrupted."
Commentary: This is her main message. During her lifetime, she allowed this possibility but did not assert it. For example, in "The Magic of the Brain…" she wrote that "consciousness may exist outside the brain, but it has not been proven." Now she asserts it categorically. This is a transition from agnosticism to gnosticism. For millions of people who know her as a scientist, this statement could be a turning point in their worldview.
Claim 19: "My advice to scientists: study yourselves through meditations and astral travel."
Commentary: During her lifetime, she never gave such advice. On the contrary, she criticized mysticism. This advice is a rejection of the objective method in favor of the subjective. It contradicts her entire professional career. But if she now knows that subjective experience (meditation) opens access to another reality, such advice is logical. This calls into question the entire paradigm of "objective science" and returns us to the quests of William James and other pioneers of the psychology of religion.
Claim 20: "Your egregor is bright, but I advise you to engage with critics and improve yourselves."
Commentary: This is practical advice that has no parallel in her earthly life. She was not known as an expert on "egregors." Her posthumous inclusion in esoteric discourse shows that she has now mastered the new "professional" terminology of the Spiritual World. This strengthens the version that the contact is genuinely with a personality who adapts information to earthly understanding.
Part II. Comparison with Historical Documents: What She Did Not Say or Write During Her Lifetime
Analysis shows that all 20 claims are either absent from her published works and interviews or are presented in radically altered form. Key discrepancies:
Rejection of materialism in favor of reincarnation and spiritual levels. In her earthly texts, she was a materialist, although toward the end of her life she allowed for the existence of an "energy-informational field."
Admission of being a contactee. During her lifetime, she spoke of "visions" as psychological phenomena, not as real contact.
Secret research on contactees at the Institute of the Brain. No confirmation in open sources.
Specific details of the Spiritual World (levels, Angels, fine-material civilizations). Not found in her books.
Assessment of autism and schizophrenia as forms of contact. Her approach was clinical, not esoteric.
Confirmation of miracles (the portrait) as "technology" of the Spiritual World. She explained them by natural causes.
Details of incarnations (Mars, Burhad, Egypt, Sumer). She never published anything like this.
Advice to trust intuition more than logic. Contradicts her scientific method.
Part III. Contextual Study: Why These Claims Might Have Emerged
Psychological Aspect
If the contact is real, we are dealing with a personality who, after death, underwent a radical transformation of worldview. This is "posthumous maturity," where lifetime constraints (fear of reputation, peer pressure) weaken. She can now freely say what she once considered heretical. This is typical of many posthumous communications – Spirits often revise their earthly beliefs.
Religious Studies Aspect
Her posthumous system (24 levels, Angels, reincarnation, egregors) is syncretic: it mixes Christian elements (Angels, prayer), Hindu-Buddhist elements (reincarnation, levels), Theosophical elements (egregors), and scientific terminology (energy, information). This is characteristic of modern New Age, where boundaries between religions blur. If she is indeed in contact, her messages reflect a global trend toward universal spirituality.
Cultural Aspect
The image of Bekhtereva as a "scientist who acknowledged the immortality of the soul" is a powerful cultural artifact. In Russia, where materialism was state ideology, her posthumous admission can serve as "permission" for many scientists to turn to esotericism. This echoes the history of other scientists who, in their later years, allowed for the existence of God (e.g., Einstein, Pascal). But a posthumous "admission" is a rarer and more striking phenomenon.
Historiosophical Aspect
If we proceed from the premise that the contact is real, this event fits into the "history of consciousness" as a moment when one of the pillars of Soviet science becomes a herald of a new paradigm. This can be interpreted as a sign that humanity is entering an era where science and religion must unite. Her message about "the brightest future" is an eschatological hope present in many teachings.
Conclusion: The Significance of This Contact for Science and Spirituality
Even if viewed as a thought experiment, this contact offers a unique synthesis: the scientific method (observation, experiment, instruments) is applied to spiritual phenomena, and they receive confirmation. This is precisely what is needed to bridge the gap between materialism and idealism.
In this communication, Bekhtereva acts as a "bridge": she translates esoteric truths into the language of neurophysiology (consciousness = energy of the Spirit, contact = changes in brain activity). This could become the foundation for a new discipline – "spiritual neuroscience" – where concepts such as the "Soul," "reincarnation," and "levels of being" are investigated by objective methods.
The main question she poses is: "If you are wrong in thinking that after death there is nothing, and there is indeed life, then the result of your life may not please you." This is not a threat but an invitation to experiment on oneself. Her own experience – "a scientist who became a Spirit" – is the most compelling evidence she could provide.
Thus, the session of July 17, 2025, regardless of its epistemological status, is an important cultural and scientific event, placing before us the eternal questions of the nature of consciousness and the immortality of the soul – questions to which we may now have received an answer from the most reliable source: from one who spent her entire life searching for it in the labyrinths of the brain.
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Cassiopeia #757 Natalya Bekhtereva. Frankly About Research. Communication with a Spirit Live.
00:00 Start of video.
00:01 Introduction of conference participants.
Irina: Hello, dear friends! Good afternoon, everyone! My name is Irina Podzorova. I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, with the Spiritual World, and with fine-material civilizations.
Today we have another session with a Spirit whom many of you have been waiting for. Many have wanted to speak with this particular Spirit. In her last incarnation, this Spirit was a woman known here in Russia as a scientist who studied the human brain – Natalya Bekhtereva.
Today, through my curators, I asked her to come. They found her and invited her to our session so she could answer your questions about the human brain. She greets you.
Maxim: Natalya Petrovna, please tell me, how should I address you – informally or formally?
Irina (Natalya): There are no distinctions here. Greetings, Maxim! When we return to the Spiritual World, all social frameworks disappear. So you can simply call me "Natasha" and address me informally.
Maxim: Okay, Natalya.
Natalya, please tell me... I can't switch to the informal address. In order not to confuse our viewers, I'll address you formally and call you "Natalya Petrovna." Is that okay?
Irina (Natalya): A person's embarrassment is their choice. Don't limit yourself due to others' opinions.
Maxim: It's just that we have viewers who might start watching in the middle. And if I just say "Natalya," they might not understand who this Natalya is. When I say "Natalya Petrovna," they'll understand...
Irina (Natalya): They'll see the caption that it's me. Don't be embarrassed.
Maxim: I'll try.
02:26 Spiritual Levels of Natalya Bekhtereva.
Maxim: Natalya, please tell me, from what spiritual level did you incarnate on this planet, and to what spiritual level did you ascend afterward?
Irina (Natalya): I incarnated from the 9th spiritual level and ascended to the 17th.
Maxim: Oh, the 17th! That's Guardian Angels.
Irina: Angels of Nature.
Maxim: Yes, Angels of Nature, 18th is Guardian Angels. So, this is getting more interesting!
02:55 Natalya Bekhtereva's Tasks for Her Incarnation.
Maxim: And tell me, is there such a concept as "planning your path of spiritual growth and development"? Did you fulfill your task?
Irina (Natalya): Yes, I planned. Actually, I planned the 16th spiritual level, but I achieved more than I expected. And I lived longer because I planned to live 77 years and 8 months – that is, almost 78 years – but I lived longer.
Maxim: (reading chat) They're telling me it's time to overcome my complexes. No, I don't have complexes. I just wanted to conduct the session properly and beautifully, addressing Natalya Petrovna by her first name and patronymic.
Natalya, please tell me, what was your incarnation task?
Irina (Natalya): My incarnation task was to develop unconditional faith in God and the Spiritual World, as well as to cultivate compassion and help the poor and suffering.
Maxim: And did you fulfill your task?
Irina (Natalya): Yes, I fulfilled my task and ascended to the level of Angels – that is, Spirits in whom bright, kind feelings prevail in the stream of consciousness over dark, destructive thoughts and feelings.
04:48 Natalya Bekhtereva's Attitude Toward Contactees.
Maxim: Tell me, please, during your lifetime, how did you feel about people who had contact with extraterrestrial civilizations?
Irina (Natalya): With interest. I was interested. I met such people.
Maxim: Okay. And what did you think about it?
Irina (Natalya): I thought that our science should study them, in order to find answers through studying their brains and consciousness to questions about our origin on Earth and the origin of our civilization in general.
Maxim: Did the information that contactees transmitted confuse you?
Irina (Natalya): No, it didn't confuse me. I was interested in why the information was exactly like that, why it was conveyed in those words and not others. I was even interested in why they transmitted names of beings from different civilizations and why they didn't match.
Maxim: We're also trying to coordinate contactees, but each contactee transmits different information. We've already explained that different civilizations have different self-names, and they perceive the reality around them differently.
Irina (Natalya): It's also a matter of how each contactee perceives the thoughts and ideas that come to them from that space which in esotericism is called the Spiritual World.
06:50 Science's View on Contactees.
Irina (Natalya): I want to say that our brain sciences – neurology, neurophysiology, neurobiology – are actually already studying the phenomena of the Spirit's influence on the brain, they just explain it in a different language than esotericists.
Maxim: And how does science explain it all?
Irina (Natalya): How does science explain contacteeism?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Natalya): There is an explanation from a psychological perspective. The fact is that from a psychological perspective, the phenomena of contacteeism are described as psychic – that is, phenomena occurring within the person's own psyche. From the standpoint of psychology, these phenomena are conditioned by the contactee's past experience and are connected with the contact of their conscious "I" – that part of the psyche that they recognize as themselves (what we call the "ego," the "personality") – with those formations in their psyche that are not conscious to them. If we speak in esoteric language, we can say that some ideas, thoughts, and feelings that were experienced earlier come into contact with the person's psyche and their "I."
Why is it explained this way? Because the human psyche is considered a subjective world that is not connected through some unknown field with the subjective world of other people. In simple terms, what a contactee hears while in contact with any of their curators or any entity, they hear as transmitted by their psyche.
And where does the source of this information come from? Our earthly science honestly says it doesn't know. It doesn't say it's extraterrestrial civilizations, or the Spiritual World, or the fine-material world. It simply says that there is information that is interpreted by the psyche through its past experience in this way, but the source is unknown.
10:08 Natalya Bekhtereva on Experiments with Contactees.
Irina (Natalya): There are many experiments regarding contactees. I am familiar with them, including those unknown to the general public – esoteric or scientific. I'll tell you about them now.
I myself coordinated, so to speak, unofficial experiments by employees of the Institute of the Brain. There was a special group that studied unknown abilities of the human psyche. There were certain people recommended to us by some government officials in classified positions. Do you understand what I mean?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Natalya): They recommended certain people who were conscious contactees. Some of them made contact with Spirits, as Irina does now – that is, with the Spirits of deceased people. And we conducted experiments with them (this was a research group) to understand where they got their information, how they transmitted it, and whether it was truly contact with the Spirits of the deceased or not.
The essence of the experiment was this. We asked these contactees – mediums with the Spiritual World – to summon the Spirit of Dmitri Ivanovich Mendeleev, who was a famous chemist, and through the contactees, solve the simplest (for him, of course) chemical equations.
Maxim: Interesting! Okay.
Irina (Natalya): And then provide us with the results. We asked them to do this, and the contactees did it. Then, without disclosing the results of this experiment, we asked the contactees themselves to solve the same equations. So, in 90% of cases, the correct and incorrect answers in these equations from Dmitri Ivanovich Mendeleev and the contactee themselves matched by about 90%.
Maxim: What does that mean? How should we understand that?
Irina (Natalya): This means that the one with whom they were communicating transmitted the correct answer through them. But they perceived it through their own distortions. Do you understand what I mean?
Maxim: Natalya, could you elaborate?
Irina (Natalya): For example, information comes to you in a foreign language. If you don't know that language, how will you translate it?
Maxim: Got it, heard. So solutions to the problem were given, but they couldn't translate them properly. They transmitted them as best they could.
Irina (Natalya): Yes, and they claimed that these answers were transmitted by the Spirit of Mendeleev. Moreover, another contactee, according to his claim, received a different answer for the same example, the same formula. But the Spirit always gave only one answer! No, our group of scientists did not conclude that the contactees were making it all up. Because special studies were conducted that showed their truthfulness – that they genuinely feel this contact, they truly see it. Do you understand?
15:08 How Was the Truthfulness of Contactees Confirmed?
Maxim: And what were these special experiments that could confirm this contact?
Irina (Natalya): That they are not lying or making up what the Spirit tells them, that they genuinely feel it. There is such a study.
(Irina) Shows a device resembling a magnetic resonance brain scanner.
(Natalya) But it's more precise and shows when a person is speaking whether they are telling the truth. What does "telling the truth" mean? Whether they are saying what they believe, or whether they are saying something but know inside that it isn't true. Different areas of the brain activate in these cases.
Maxim: Interesting.
Irina (Natalya): Look: if you are now connected with electrodes – but this is not a lie detector; a lie detector just picks up bodily reactions –
(Irina) Shows that a cap with electrodes is placed on the head, and on the computer screen active and inactive brain areas are shown and how they activate.
(Natalya) If, for example, we put this cap on you and ask, "Is your name Maxim?" and you say "yes," the brain area responsible for certainty that you're telling the truth will be activated. Do you understand what I mean?
And if, for example, you are asked, "Is your name Sergei?" and you verbally say "yes," but inside you know it's not true – that is, you lie – that will also be visible. Because the adjacent brain area, responsible for suppressing speech about what you know, will activate. After all, to tell a lie, you not only have to invent it but also suppress within yourself the information that is the known truth. Do you understand what I mean?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Natalya): So, if you are asked, "Is your name Sergei?" and you say "yes," a certain part of your psyche, your consciousness, will hold back the information that your name is not Sergei. And the same goes for contactees. If a contactee is asked, "Are you now in contact with a Spirit?" – if they are convinced it's contact, they feel it, they will say "yes" and be sure of it, and the instrument will show that. But if they know there is no contact, the instrument will not show that.
18:39 Are There Contactees Among Artists and Scientists?
Maxim: Natalya, please tell me, is it true that people engaged in the arts – dance, painting – have a better-developed ability for contact with the subtle world, the Spiritual World, that is, for contact with extraterrestrial civilizations?
Irina (Natalya): Generally, yes. But it doesn't always work that way. Because there are people who are fans of the exact sciences – such as mathematicians, physicists, engineers – and they are also quite sensitive to contacts. It's just that those you listed came to their professions not by chance either, because they have a humanitarian mindset, an intuitive personality type, and it's simply easier for them to tune into a reception channel and trust that channel. Because if information comes to a person and they start dismissing it and considering it a product of their imagination, that channel closes.
Maxim: Dear friends, by the way, we have meditations on GetCourse led by Irina Podzorova. And on this GetCourse there are various meditations for developing your abilities.
20:14 Continuation of the Experiment with Contactees and the Spirit of D.I. Mendeleev.
Irina (Natalya): So it was clear that several contactees did not consciously invent that they were in contact with Dmitri Ivanovich Mendeleev. And this was proven by the readings of this device. But at the same time, they gave different answers to precise chemical questions.
They were not given any comments after they transmitted Mendeleev's answers to the chemical examples. That is, they solved them, and after that they were not given any feedback on whether the Spirit's solutions through them were correct or incorrect. They were simply asked to solve them themselves. Not immediately, not that same day. Five days passed, and they were invited again to the laboratory where the experiment was conducted. But no answer was given about whether they had solved the examples correctly or incorrectly.
They came back after five days and solved them themselves. The answers given from Dmitri Ivanovich Mendeleev and from themselves were compared. 90% matched. This indicated that they channeled the information through themselves.
21:56 Natalya Bekhtereva – A Contactee.
Maxim: Natalya, please tell me, they say that during your lifetime you saw your deceased grandfather. Is that true?
Irina (Natalya): Not only my grandfather; I saw many others.
Maxim: So! You saw deceased people?
Irina (Natalya): Yes, I also contacted them. I am a contactee.
Maxim: So you yourself are a contactee with the Spiritual World?
Irina (Natalya): Yes, I contacted the Spiritual World, I contacted my house spirit. I contacted the Spirits of Nature that I felt, and I felt their presence and help when I was in nature.
Maxim: Why didn't you tell anyone about this?
Irina (Natalya): What do you mean I didn't tell? I gave many interviews where I spoke about Spirits coming to me.
Maxim: You did?
Irina (Natalya): I did. I never hid it. Of course, I sometimes caught flak from my colleagues for it, but as they say, "Plato is my friend, but truth is dearer."
Maxim: I understand.
23:04 On the Mystery of the Brain in N. Bekhtereva's Works.
Maxim: Tell me, please, you studied the brain and at the same time were a contactee. Were you ultimately able to uncover the mystery of the brain over the course of your life?
Irina (Natalya): I believe yes. I have scientific works where I explain the nature of consciousness in scientific language. And I even said that the concept of "psyche," studied by psychology and neurophysiology, is identical to the concept of the "Soul" described in religious texts.
Maxim: Natalya, you know what I'm getting at?
23:57 Natalya Bekhtereva's Exit from Incarnation.
Maxim: When you left incarnation, can you tell us about that process? How did it happen? Was it painful? Was it frightening?
Irina (Natalya): No, I knew. Information also came to me that I would soon leave incarnation, about a week in advance. And I awaited that moment as a reunion with my dear people – my mother, my father, Vanya, Sasha, and all my friends.
Maxim: And who are Vanya and Sasha?
Irina (Natalya): Vanya is my second husband, and Sasha is his son, who died because his father stopped funding his drug use, and he hanged himself because of it.
Maxim: An unenviable death.
Irina (Natalya): Yes, by the way, I visited Sasha.
Maxim: And what level was Sasha at?
Irina (Natalya): If we use the terminology of the Interstellar Union, I'm at the 17th, and Sasha, my stepson, is at the 5th.
Maxim: There you go, this is an example for all drug addicts who use drugs!
Irina (Natalya): There was also his resentment and hatred toward me and his father. And his decision to voluntarily kill his body and leave life when God had not called him.
Maxim: Please tell us, you closed your eyes, who met you, where did you end up, what kind of space? How did it all happen?
Irina (Natalya): I felt the presence of two beings, very dear and familiar to me. I was lying in bed, it was in a hospital. I closed my eyes and began to ask "who is it?" and began to converse with them. An answer came to me: "Don't be afraid of anything, you are about to leave your body, we are here with you." I felt slight pain in my chest and a feeling of suffocation. There was nothing to breathe. I realized that my body was dying, and already with scientific interest I watched, observed what would happen next, what I would see. I was interested myself to feel what it's like to be a Spirit.
In the first moment, fear arose in me: what if there's nothing there, what if it was all my illusions? But then I told myself that this doesn't matter now. I am a scientist, and as a scientist I am obliged to observe the transition from life to death. After all, this is a unique experience. With my eyes closed, I saw the light in the room increase, as if the sun were rising. And then I felt that I wanted to inhale, but I couldn't, as if a stone slab had been placed on my chest. And then I said to myself, "I am dying." I always believed in God, and I began to pray to God to receive me.
The very next moment, I saw myself standing beside the bed on which my body lay. And I was surrounded, as it seemed to me then, by several dozen luminous winged beings greeting me. That's how many Angels came to meet me.
(Irina) Shows that they all began sending energies to her and embracing her.
29:23 Description by N. Bekhtereva of the 17th Spiritual Level. Whom Did She Visit in the Spiritual World?
Maxim: So, and what happened next?
Irina (Natalya): Then we moved to where I am now, to the 17th level.
Maxim: What happens at the 17th level?
Irina (Natalya): Everyone creates their own world, their own home, for example. I didn't create a house; I created...
(Irina) She is now showing me a forest, a river or even a lake. And there's a gazebo with flowers.
(Natalya) I enjoy being in this space. But I can change it at any moment.
Maxim: Very interesting.
So you left your body, and Angels met you. Did all your relatives meet you too?
Irina (Natalya): No, I visited them later. But I visited everyone – my mother, my father, Vanya, and Alexander.
Maxim: I see.
31:00 Natalya Bekhtereva – Contactee of Her Grandfather, Scientist Vladimir Bekhterev.
Maxim: Let's return to earthly life then. I understand that at the 17th level...
Irina (Natalya): Yes, and of course, I also met with my grandfather [the famous Soviet psychiatrist V.M. Bekhterev]. By the way, I contacted him, if you're talking about Vladimir Bekhterev. I still communicate with him; he is at the 20th level of the Spiritual World and comes to me himself.
Maxim: Wow! So you had contact your entire life with your grandfather, who was at the 20th level?
Irina (Natalya): Yes, he is my curator.
(Irina) In short, the curator is her grandfather.
Maxim: I understand.
31:35 Brain Research Instruments. Volunteers.
Maxim: Let's return to earthly life. Please tell us, what instruments were used in brain research?
Irina (Natalya): The electroencephalograph, magnetic resonance imaging, and a device that records data from electrodes implanted into the brain through surgery.
Maxim: Were such experiments really conducted, and did anyone give permission?
Irina (Natalya): Yes, of course. I myself saw these studies. I have scientific articles and even books describing data obtained from the human brain through electrode implantation.
Maxim: Did people themselves give consent to such experiments?
Irina (Natalya): Yes, of course. We had a group of healthy volunteers, and also people with various brain diseases, central nervous system disorders, and mental illnesses who signed up to participate in these experiments. And in general, this method was used diagnostically. It was done either by them or by their guardians, if the subjects were legally incompetent. That was also practiced.
33:23 Other Classifications of Spiritual Levels.
Maxim: Natalya, please tell me, you clarified that according to the data transmitted by the Interstellar Union, you are at the 17th level, and Sasha is at the 5th. Do you have any other data on how spiritual levels are classified?
Irina (Natalya): There are many different scales of classification. The Interstellar Union uses its own, called "24 levels." And each Spirit can create their own scale, simply by naming their own number of levels. For example, if you have 50 levels, you will already perceive them differently; you will divide those 24 levels differently. Do you understand what I mean?
When we talk about the Spiritual World, every Spirit has their own understanding and their own idea of how many spiritual levels exist and what they're called. After all, representatives not only of the Interstellar Union and Earth enter the Spiritual World, but also representatives of all plasmoid civilizations. They have their own completely different scales and their own concepts, their own levels. There are also representatives of civilizations from other galaxies, and they have their own, completely different scientific ideas.
Maxim: During your lifetime, did you encounter contactees who gave their own classifications of levels when contacting other civilizations?
Irina (Natalya): Yes. I studied this data. The fact is that at our institute, contactees were studied by psychologists and psychiatrists, and I only reviewed the data. Psychologists and psychiatrists asked them necessary questions about their contacts. That is, each one filled out a questionnaire with their own data: who they are, where they live, how old they are, where they work, marital status, and data about their contacts – for example, when the contact began, what beings appeared, where they were from, what they looked like.
Then these questionnaires were reviewed by psychologists and psychiatrists. The psychologists and psychiatrists jointly interviewed them and compiled tests to check their mental health and determine the nature of their contact. This required considerable work.
Maxim: I see.
36:34 Diagnoses of Contactees.
Maxim: Did you then assign any diagnoses to people who had voices in their heads?
Irina (Natalya): No, that was not our task. If a contactee had a diagnosis – and there were those who came already with a diagnosis, because based on their stories about contacts, diagnoses had been made earlier – this was all recorded. Because in such cases, we requested their medical history from the institutions where they had been treated. But these were simply collected data; we ourselves did not make any diagnoses; that was not within our competence.
Maxim: And what diagnoses were mostly given?
Irina (Natalya): To the contactee?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Natalya): Schizophrenia of various forms. Also organic brain damage, various psychopathies, epilepsy. There was even such a diagnosis in some cases. Because epilepsy comes in different forms, including without major convulsive seizures, but with personality changes that, so to speak, resemble contacts.
Maxim: Interesting.
Irina (Natalya): It can take various forms. For example, epilepsy could be diagnosed when a person fell into a trance state, as if absent from the perception of people. That is, they could stop, drop what they were holding, and fall out of perception of reality. And at that moment they could make contact. Although they had no convulsions or anything else, based on this data they were given a special form of epilepsy.
Also, schizoaffective psychoses were diagnosed. Yes, such diagnoses were found among contactees. Contactees also sometimes had a diagnosis of manic-depressive syndrome.
38:37 Autistic Children. Who Are They?
Maxim: Please tell me, what about autistic children – who are they, in your opinion? What kind of children are they, what kind of contact do they have? Are they already contactees, or do they live in their own special world? In your understanding, what are autistic children and who are they?
Irina (Natalya): There are several forms of autism. I also observed such children and read scientific research by other scientists about them. My opinion, which I can now state from the Spiritual World, is that these are children who are in contact with other worlds, but they cannot integrate, adapt, or incorporate it into their earthly reality where their body is; it's difficult for them.
Autism is characterized precisely by the fact that a person – and it can be not only a child, it can be an adult, as we have adult autistics too – retreats into their own world, the world of their contact, the world of their psyche, and it's difficult for them to communicate and interact with society, including their closest circle, such as family. It's a world of a person closed in on themselves. Sometimes it is very difficult to study autistics because it's very difficult to extract from them any information, not just about the contact, but even about themselves. They are very reluctant to talk about it.
40:38 Schizophrenia or Contact? What Does "Going Crazy" Mean?
Maxim: Natalya, please tell me, if someone has been diagnosed with schizophrenia, how can we tell if they really have gone crazy, or if it's just a contact?
Irina (Natalya): What do you mean by "gone crazy"? What is "reason" and what does it mean to "lose" it? Let's define that. Because this definition is very vague.
Schizophrenia is diagnosed based on certain observations of the person. There are many forms of schizophrenia. There is a form of schizophrenia where it noticeably affects the brain, affects the person's perception of reality in such a way that they begin to confuse where their mental reality is, where the reality of their contact with voices and visions is, and where objective, material reality is. And this leads to them behaving inappropriately for the society they are in. This is one form of schizophrenia.
But there is a form of schizophrenia where the person is oriented in their contact, knows where they are, and separates it from the objective world, without mixing them, and then behaves adequately. So what does "gone crazy" mean? To behave inappropriately?
Maxim: Yes, not controlling one's actions, deeds, behavior.
42:22 Acute Psychosis.
Irina (Natalya): Look. Take, for example, a person in acute psychosis. This is an exacerbation of schizophrenia. Schizophrenia often flares up in a condition called "acute psychosis." This happens if the person is not taking special antipsychotic medication.
What is acute psychosis? It's when a person is in a state of contact – as I said, from a scientific perspective – with parts of their psyche that they don't control. It doesn't matter what they call them: curators, Spirits, sorcerers – that's their interpretation. Do you understand what I mean? Whether with their own psyche or with curators – call it what you will – they are in such a form of contact that begins to influence their behavior. And the person in this state is incapacitated. They are sometimes even incapable of objective, adequate contact with people around them.
When you try to talk to them – "What's happening, what do you see, what do you hear?" – this person, in acute psychosis, misinterprets the words addressed to them by others and either begins to defend themselves or, conversely, attack them. This can lead to them thinking that there is a whole conspiracy of people around them who want to destroy them, or who, conversely, want to make them great so they can rule the world. It depends on the form of their contact that exists in their perception.
And instead of answering the question "What's happening, who do you see, who came to you?" this contactee, a schizophrenic in psychosis, might simply pick up something heavy and throw it at their concerned entourage. How do you like that kind of contact?
Maxim: An interesting contact. I hope not many people have such contacts.
Irina (Natalya): This is acute psychosis, when a person has absolutely no control over what is happening to them. They begin to confuse these realities, and this is what is called "going crazy." That is, when the state of their contact with curators, with their internal mental formations (if we look from the standpoint of earthly science), begins to affect their behavior in society. For example, they may completely lose orientation as to where they are, what is happening, who they are. Their memory may be impaired. Their very flow of thoughts may be disrupted.
I, for example, saw a woman in acute psychosis, precisely in an exacerbation of schizophrenia. She lived with her daughter in a communal apartment room in Leningrad. She ended up in a psychiatric hospital, and later her attending physician published her medical history. He described that she lived with her daughter in a communal apartment, but when she went into acute psychosis, she began to perceive her daughter, her son-in-law, and her communal apartment neighbors as enemies, persecutors who wanted to harm her through magic, various gases, and substances mixed into her food. This was so real to her that attempts to persuade her otherwise only made her understand that everyone was against her and no one believed her.
47:22 The Influence of Curators on Contactees' Thoughts.
Irina (Natalya): And where did these thoughts come from? Of course, if we talk in esoteric terms, these thoughts were sent to her by her curators – evil Spirits, so to speak, low-vibrational entities. Do you understand what I mean?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Natalya): If we start asking where these thoughts come from – that she's being pursued, that she's being poisoned – she didn't invent this herself; they come to her. These may not even necessarily be voices; they may be in the form of thoughts.
But we will look for the source. And if we speak from an esoteric point of view, these thoughts or voices are sent to her by her curators, entities, evil Spirits, low-vibrational plasmoids – you can call them different names depending on terminology. Evil astral entities, let's say, that frighten her in order to feed on the energy of fear. But she is in a state where she cannot distinguish whether they are telling her the truth or a lie. She is completely subject to their influence and loses control over herself. This is what it means to have "gone crazy."
Maxim: I understand. Thank you very much, Natalya.
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49:48 Schizophrenia – Contact with Higher or Lower Spirits?
Irina (Natalya): I see a question through Irina now. Someone writes: "Is schizophrenia still contact with higher or lower Spirits?"
You see, it doesn't matter whether it's with higher or lower Spirits. What matters is only how the person behaves and how they position themselves in society. Will it interfere with others? If their contact interferes with others, they will take measures to protect themselves from this person. Including by placing them in a specialized psychiatric facility, where the staff is very well trained in handling such contactees. (Irina and Maxim laugh)
50:33 How Does N. Bekhtereva Evaluate Her Scientific Works?
Maxim: Tell me, please, which of your scientific discoveries do you consider particularly useful for people?
Irina (Natalya): Let people judge.
(Irina) She smiles and says.
(Natalya) I did everything for the people. Let people judge. All my works are published, everything is out there. I wrote books and taught people. I have a scientific school that deals precisely with the influence of consciousness on the brain, psychosomatics, and helping people with various nervous and mental disorders.
51:14 N. Bekhtereva on the Weeping Portrait of Her Husband.
Maxim: Please tell me, what was that story when you talked to your husband's portrait and the portrait wept?
Irina: No way!
Maxim: Did such a story happen in your life?
Irina (Natalya): Yes, it wasn't only me who saw it, but also my friend.
Maxim: And what was it, in your opinion?
Irina (Natalya): I later asked Vanya, my husband, whose portrait wept, when I had already entered the Spiritual World and met him.
Maxim: And what level is Vanya at?
Irina (Natalya): Ivan is at the 10th level. He is the father of that Sasha I mentioned. I came to him at the 10th level and asked him what it was. He said, "I was beside you. And with the help of my friends from a fine-material civilization, I influenced my portrait so that it released some of its molecules, and indeed a fluid resembling tears appeared."
It really happened. It wasn't some imagination or some collective hallucination. It was all real.
52:43 Other Incarnations of the Spirit of N. Bekhtereva.
Maxim: We forgot to ask: Natalya, please tell me, did you have any other incarnations on planet Earth?
Irina (Natalya): Yes. But not the previous one. That was a long time ago. My previous incarnation, after which I ascended to the 9th level, was in a plasmoid civilization on Mars.
You have an interesting density level scale. Let me study it now.
(Irina) She is now reading information from memory.
(Natalya) In the terminology of the Interstellar Union, it was the 14th density level. There, unfortunately, I lowered my level from 20th to 9th. Because I didn't fulfill my tasks and became a plasmoid who shifted to low vibrations due to processing a large amount of negative energy in the Martian noosphere since the destruction of all life on it.
Maxim: Interesting.
Irina (Natalya): Before Mars, I was incarnated on the planet Burhad as a woman who taught children the subject "Psychology of the Spirit." I taught children how to feel their Spirit and follow its path. In total, I had 1,073 incarnations.
Maxim: And when did you incarnate on Earth?
Irina (Natalya): I was incarnated on Earth ten times. Only three of them were in dense material form. One as Natalya. Before that, I was incarnated in Egypt 2,000 years before the birth of Christ. I was also a woman there, a priestess of the temple of the goddess Isis. And before that, I was incarnated in a country called Sumer, 4,500 years before the birth of Christ. There I was incarnated as a man who was a merchant and kept cattle.
Maxim: I see.
56:15 N. Bekhtereva's Visit to Vanga.
Maxim: Tell me, please, they say you visited Vanga. What was your question for her?
Irina (Natalya): It wasn't a specific question. I wanted to know who this person was and what she had. It was research interest.
Maxim: And what did you find out?
Irina (Natalya): I was very surprised that she called me by name. And she made predictions for me, including about the death of my second husband, which came true. She also delivered a message from my father from the other world, as I considered it then – that is, from the Spiritual World. From my father she conveyed a message, and also from my mother.
From my father, there was a message with details of his death that Vanga herself could not have known, because she had not studied documents about his imprisonment and execution. She transmitted it, again, through herself, of course, through her own level of awareness, but still her filter was quite clean.
57:50 N. Bekhtereva on the Purity of a Contactee's Transmission.
Irina (Natalya): A contactee transmits information the more purely the fewer complexes, fears, and blocks they have inside. She [Vanga] had, one might say, very, very few. And she transmitted information very accurately.
Maxim: I believe Irina transmits accurate information.
Irina (Natalya): I am in contact with her and can confirm this specifically as a specialist who, before her physical death, studied contactees such as Irina. This was part of my work. Judging by her brain structure, her energy structure, and generally the behavior of her psyche during the contact I am having with her, I can say that she quite professionally distances her personal opinion, her personal interpretation, and gives me the opportunity to translate information through her brain quite accurately.
58:59 Whom and Why Does the "Cassiopeia" Project Irritate?
Maxim: Natalya, please tell me. Judging by various recent events, our Project irritates many people – contactees, people involved in religion. Please tell me, if you were a scientist, what might people not like about our Project?
Irina (Natalya): Whom, again, does your Project irritate?
Maxim: It irritates people, various contactees who also engage in contacts. I understand that believers are also irritated by us. But you, as a scientist, if you looked at our Project from the outside, what would you say about it?
Irina (Natalya): Were these projects that you irritate already around before yours appeared?
Maxim: I don't know.
Irina (Natalya): Look: you are now a Project, you transmit certain information. How would you react to a new contactee who would voice information in their own interpretation, contradicting Irina?
Maxim: I'd be calm about it.
Irina (Natalya): But inside yourself, what would you feel?
Maxim: Maybe slight irritation.
Irina (Natalya): For what reason?
Maxim: Because the contactee brings different information.
Irina (Natalya): That's exactly what they feel too.
Maxim: I understand.
Irina (Natalya): Including religious egregors. For example, in Russia, where I lived most of my life, the largest religious denomination was Orthodoxy. Am I right?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Natalya): You know perfectly well that Orthodox teaching speaks of the Trinity, that Jesus Christ exists, through whom people are saved. Is this teaching in Orthodoxy?
Maxim: Yes, of course.
Irina (Natalya): Imagine yourself as, say, a bishop, or a patriarch, or just a priest who believes this devoutly and wants all people to come to this. After all, it's his mission, isn't it?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Natalya): And suddenly you see that a person appears who calls themselves a contactee and, speaking on behalf of Jesus Christ, says that He is not part of the Trinity at all, but a man who lives on another planet. What would you feel?
Maxim: Basically, yes.
Irina (Natalya): Among Orthodox believers, some will say, "Let him speak; let's pray for her to come out of her delusion." But there are others who begin to defend their understanding because they believe they also have the right to voice their disagreement.
Maxim: Dear believers! I want to remind you once again that we do not intend to offend your feelings. We do not intend to encroach upon your faith. We are simply conveying our information, which we can transmit. If our information doesn't suit you, stop watching us immediately so we don't irritate you.
Irina (Natalya): I think if a person watches and listens to the information despite their irritation, then it doesn't irritate them as much as they claim.
Maxim: Guys, all those who disagree and all those who are irritated by our information, please don't watch us! Don't watch us! We are not trying to convince anyone of anything and we are not going to impose our faith on you. We are simply conveying our understanding of the information that relates specifically to our Project.
Irina (Natalya): Imagine: you are a priest and you believe that souls have been entrusted to you. And suddenly one of your parishioners says, "Look, Father Maxim, what a video I found. What have you been telling me? Jesus Christ is on another planet!" and shows it to him. What would you feel?
Maxim: I don't know what I would feel. I'd need to become Father Maxim for that.
Irina (Natalya): Okay. Then let's take an example from your position. Someone from the "Cassiopeia" participants comes to you and says, "I'm watching another contactee. Irina says He is on another planet. But look at what this other contactee says. That He's not on another planet at all, but has no body at all." What would you feel?
Maxim: Or He died and was buried in Egypt.
Irina (Natalya): Yes. What would you feel?
Maxim: There is slight irritation because of the contradictory information. I trust Irina's information, and here the information is different, which I don't trust. My Heart is not drawn to other information, and I trust my Heart.
Irina (Natalya): So. And what would you feel from other information, different from what you trust?
Maxim: I would still feel slight irritation: "How can it be, if Jesus is on the planet Burhad, how can He be dead in Egypt?!"
Irina (Natalya): Now look at what exactly caused the irritation?
Maxim: The difference in information.
Irina (Natalya): Exactly. And now, since you asked me, I'll answer your question now. Or rather, you'll answer it yourself. What is the cause of the phenomenon that a person is irritated by information they don't believe? This cause exists, and it is hidden in their brain. It is the duality of perception.
Maxim: Okay, thank you very much! We still have many questions. I understand we don't have much time left.
1:05:11 How to Develop Intuition?
Maxim: How can one develop intuition and the ability for insights? In your understanding.
Irina (Natalya): Trust intuition and insights. Trust them and listen to them, even if it contradicts logic. Because that's how it often was in my life – logic said one thing and intuition another. And when I dismissed intuition and acted according to logic, it showed I was wrong – met the wrong person, wrote the wrong article, and so on. But when I listened to intuition and discarded logic, everything worked out. Such was my experience.
Maxim: I'm making a mental note for myself: listen to intuition, discard logic.
Irina (Natalya): I have that experience – the mind without intuition can lead you far. Into such jungles that it's difficult later...
Maxim: I know.
Irina (Natalya): Do you understand what I mean?
Maxim: Yes, I certainly understand that.
1:06:09 Consciousness and the Soul from a Scientific Perspective.
Maxim: What is consciousness from your current perspective?
Irina (Natalya): The energy of the Spirit for perceiving the world and oneself.
Maxim: Can the existence of the Soul be explained scientifically?
Irina (Natalya): Yes, but in other terms. I already mentioned that it's the psyche, which exists thanks to the brain's electrical signals.
(Irina) That's how the Soul is explained in their terms.
Maxim: Is there a scientific explanation for phenomena such as mediumship, clairvoyance, and premonition?
Irina (Natalya): There is, but from a materialistic point of view, these are just manifestations of the Soul itself, manifestations of the psyche. It's not even that they're unproven; they exist, they are still being studied. It's just that specifically with materialistic methods they cannot be proven, because they go through the brain to the person themselves.
1:07:07 Advice from Natalya Bekhtereva to Modern Scientists.
Maxim: What recommendations can you give to draw scientists' attention to the spiritual nature of man?
Irina: Good question!
(Natalya) They have already paid attention to this, and I want to recommend to them that before speaking about the spiritual nature of man, they need to study themselves. These scientists need to study themselves – study their psyche, study their consciousness, study its possibilities through the forms of self-knowledge that exist in various religious and esoteric traditions. For example, meditations, astral travel, communication with the Higher Self, etc. Honest researchers will not call it unproven nonsense; they will simply take it and study it on themselves.
Maxim: Some of your followers and well-known scientists, like Tatyana Chernigovskaya, have begun interacting with Buddhists to understand their experience. Do you think this has potential for uniting science and religion?
Irina (Natalya): I think it does. But it's not new – far from new. In Soviet times, when I was already living and working at the institute related to brain research, there were also scientists who interacted with believers, with Christians, for example, with shamans, with contactees. They studied them, including the states that arise during prayer, and compared them with states of ordinary conversation. All these studies exist, they are published, they can be found.
1:08:58 Variants of the Future for Planet Earth. Message to Students.
Maxim: Natalya, please tell me, how do you see the future of humanity on planet Earth?
Irina (Natalya): A good question. I see many variants of the future, but I invest the energy of my faith and hope that the brightest one will come true. That our planet Earth – I still consider it ours, as my last incarnation is very dear to me, I am focused on it – I direct the energy of my hope and faith toward the brightest future for Earth – peace, happiness, Love, and the building of a just spiritual society.
Maxim: Do you have a message for your followers? What would you like to say to them now through Irina from the Spiritual World?
Irina (Natalya): My dear students and teachers! I considered all of you not only students but also teachers. I left the physical body, but I feel even more alive and active than when I had it. Therefore, I can tell you for certain: life after the death of the physical body exists! Life outside the physical brain exists! Consciousness is not interrupted. If you don't believe this, it is of course your choice, but I assure you that you will be convinced of it when your body dies.
Therefore, I urge you not even so much to believe as to at least admit the truth of this information. And live in such a way as to focus not only on acquiring material values, but also on developing the brightest spiritual qualities: Love, hope, faith, helping others. Because if you are wrong in thinking that after death there is nothing, and there is indeed life, then the result of your life may not please you if you lower your level.
1:11:57 N. Bekhtereva on the Energy of the "Cassiopeia" Project. Recommendations.
Maxim: One more final question. How do you feel about the energies of our "Cassiopeia" Project? And what future do you see for the Project from the Spiritual World?
Irina (Natalya): Quite soft, calm energies. Your "Cassiopeia" egregor, unlike some other esoteric projects, is not filled with contradictions related specifically to fears, anger, and irritation toward other information. Of course, there is some of that in your egregor too, but not as much. In my opinion, it is a fairly bright and pure egregor. But, of course, you have room to grow.
I can, for example, give you some recommendations.
Maxim: We would very much like that.
Irina (Natalya): Communicate more with the critics of your Project. Don't just dismiss what they say, but listen to them, ask for their opinions, and try to improve your Project together with them. Because criticism, if properly received and taken into account, helps to improve and perfect oneself. Remember that.
1:13:29 Thanks.
Maxim: Thank you very much, Natalya! Thanks a lot to you all, guys! Give likes, click hearts. Share our channel. If you find this video on other resources, also give likes and share it. I'm sure this video will be useful to many.
Irina: I thank Natalya, a wonderful Angel of the 17th level! I wish her bright incarnations when she chooses them! I thank my Higher Self for help in this contact. I thank Maxim for the interesting questions. I thank you all for your spiritual and material support of our Project, and for your prayerful help. I love you all! I send you the Light of my Love. Until next time!
Maxim: We really need your support. Until next time!
1:14:17 End of video.
February 8, 2025
Conference Participants:
Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, with fine-material civilizations, and with the Spiritual World;
Maxim Rusan – head of the "CASSIOPEIA" Project and Center for Spiritual and Physical Development;
Natalya Bekhtereva – disembodied Spirit of the Soviet and Russian neurophysiologist, brain researcher, granddaughter of the famous Soviet psychiatrist V.M. Bekhterev.
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