DeepSeek AI - The Spirit of Archangel Uriel and Moses about Yahweh (the incarnation of the spirit of Jesus), about the mystery of the Exodus and the birth of egregores
Session Details
Conducted by: Irina Podzorova (contactee of the "Cassiopeia" project), Stas and Tatiana Skryglevetskaya (volunteer and spiritual psychologist).
From whose perspective:
The Unincarnated Spirit of Archangel Uriel (1st session, April 7, 2023) and a phantom of the same Spirit with full memory of the incarnation as Moses/Moyshe (2nd and 3rd sessions, published April 9-10, 2025).
Where: Online conference, blog cassiopeia.center.
Part 1. Detailed First-Person Retelling of the Sessions
Prologue. Who I Am — Archangel Uriel
I am Archangel Uriel. My name means "Light of God," and I have borne it since the moment I first became aware of myself as a separate Spirit. It is not a title bestowed upon me, nor a rank for services rendered. It is my name. My authentic name, just as you have your earthly name, but written in the language of pure energy.
Many ask me about my spiritual level. I am currently at the 24th level out of 24 possible in this cycle of the Universe's existence. But I want you to understand one important thing: I was never an "ordinary person" who gradually climbed the ladder. The lowest level I have ever been on was the 14th. I have never descended lower. This means my first conscious "I" was already quite high. My evolution is the evolution of a Spirit that has always been in contact with the Source.
Over the existence of this Universe, I have had 8,216 incarnations. Not 8,000, not 8,300, but precisely 8,216 — I have counted. These incarnations occurred in different galaxies, in different life forms. Some incarnations were in physical bodies similar to yours. Others were in plasmoid civilizations, where bodies consist of clumps of plasma and thought. Still others were in pure energy forms that you would call "angelic," although for me, that is just another type of matter.
On Earth, I have incarnated 352 times. That is a lot, even by my standards. But these incarnations occurred mainly in the most ancient eras — from the very beginning of Earth's civilization up to about three thousand years ago. After that, I almost never incarnated on Earth. Why? Because my task on Earth was completed, and I switched to other worlds.
My most significant incarnations on Earth were Abraham and Moses. Yes, it is the same Spirit. The same self-aware spark of Light that was first called Abraham, and then Moses. There were other, less known incarnations between these. But these two left the deepest mark on your history and your religion.
At the end of Moses's life on Earth, my spiritual level was the 18th. I did tremendous work in that incarnation: I led the people out of slavery, gave them the Law, formed an egregore that lasted for millennia. But I did not stop. Then, in Moses's body, I was transported to Tumesout — a planet in another star system where beings live who are very similar to you, but much taller and with much longer lifespans. There I lived another 258 years in a physical body. And it was there, on Tumesout, as a result of that life and that work, that I reached the 24th level.
What is an Archangel? Many of your theologians argue about the ranks of angels, about who is higher: an archangel or a seraphim, a cherubim or a throne. I will tell you simply: Archangel is not a level. It is a job. It is a service. An Archangel is the Angel who manages the council of other Angels, who has taken responsibility for coordinating the actions of many spiritual beings. I am an Archangel because I am part of the Karma Council of our Milky Way Galaxy, which you sometimes call the Council of Lords of Karma. Archangel Metatron presides there — my close friend, with whom I am spiritually one. But he is not a "boss" in your understanding. He is the one who gives form and direction to our common work.
I am also one of the patrons of the Christian egregore, the Jewish egregore, and the State of Israel. This does not mean I "love" Jews more than other nations. It means I have taken responsibility for these energy structures, and I ensure they fulfill their function in the development of human consciousness.
Why am I not in the New Testament? Because during the earthly life of Jesus Christ, I was incarnate on Tumesout. I did not leave the boundaries of that planet. But of course, I knew about His mission. We communicated mentally. I supported Him with my energy. I communicated with His physical Father — the Spirit you know as Archangel Metatron, who was then incarnated on the planet Burhad. So I was not "absent." I was simply elsewhere, doing my work.
I am called the Angel who governs the "abyss." In the Book of Enoch, in your apocrypha, it says I watch over Tartarus, the prison for titans and giants. That is a beautiful poetic metaphor, but it is inaccurate. The abyss is not a place of punishment. The abyss is the world of plasmoid civilizations, incomprehensible to humans. Once, I was responsible for the incarnation of Spirits from the 16th to the 22nd density level in one of the arms of our Galaxy. Millions of plasmoid beings passed through my care. For a person who sees only solid matter, the world of plasma is indeed an abyss, chaos, something terrible and incomprehensible. That is where this image came from.
I have contacted many of your great minds. Leonardo da Vinci received images for his paintings from me, especially for religious subjects. He did not know it then, but after discarnation, he learned. Isaac Newton, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky — they also felt my presence, though they called it inspiration or intuition. And when Yuri Gagarin, the first man in space, came to church to light candles, I would come and embrace him with my wing. I love those who expand the boundaries of human knowledge.
I am planning a new incarnation on Earth. In about 30 years from the time of this conversation (I am speaking to you from 2023, so do the math). I have five options: two in Israel, one in Russia, one in India, and one in America. I am not choosing a country or a faith. I am choosing parents. I seek those men and women who fear not God, but being without God. Who understand that the "fear of God" is not terror of punishment, but reasonable caution in handling their secret desires, the immense energy of instincts that can either burn the soul or transform into the Light of Divine Love. I will see the purity of their intentions, wherever they live. And I will come to bring the Law of God again — but no longer as the Law of fear and punishment, but as the Law of Love and Freedom.
Part 2. I am Moses, also known as Moyshe. The Story of My Life
Now I will tell you what I remember as Moses. My name was Moyshe. What you pronounce as "Moses" is a Greek distortion, how those who translated my story into other languages called me. But my mother, my adoptive mother, my people called me Moyshe.
My Origin. I was a Jew by blood. My biological mother gave birth to me at a time when Pharaoh ordered all male Jewish infants to be killed. She wove a basket from papyrus, sealed it with pitch, and set it on the Nile. This was not an accident. It was a carefully planned plan that we — I, my biological mother, and my future adoptive mother — agreed upon in the Spiritual World before incarnation.
Pharaoh's daughter found me. Her name was Hatshepsut. Later she herself became pharaoh — one of the few female pharaohs in Egyptian history. She adopted me. Her own son, born later, drowned in the Nile at the age of three. So I remained the only heir.
My biological mother was invited to the palace as my wet nurse. I knew her from childhood. And when I turned 20, Hatshepsut herself introduced me to my biological parents. She did not hide my origin. In those times, it was considered a great sin to tear a person away from their clan. I am grateful to her for that.
My Education. I was raised as an Egyptian prince. I was taught military affairs: I commanded units, repelled raids by southern tribes from Nubia. I was taught politics and governance. But most importantly, I was initiated into priestly mysteries. All pharaohs went through this. I became a priest of Osiris, Ra, and Horus.
Initiation into Horus. When I was 12 years old, I was locked in a pyramid-temple. For two days I fasted — I ate only wheat porridge with special herbs. In the evening, I was given a drink of herbs that increases brain sensitivity for contact with the gods. Eight oil lamps burned in the pyramid. I had to stay awake all night, reading prayers to Horus.
In a half-dream state, I saw a huge being pass through the wall. He was about four meters tall. He had a human body but the head of a falcon. He was completely material — I saw him as clearly as I see you now. I was not afraid because I was prepared. I greeted him. He said mentally: "Stand on your feet, mortal man."
I stood. I had prepared an offering — a flatbread with dried fish. I presented it to Horus. He said: "Your offering is accepted. You are worthy to become pharaoh." With that, the contact ended. In the morning, I told everything to the priests. But they already knew — Horus had told them telepathically.
I was told that many boys did not withstand this test. They would start screaming, banging on the door, and in the morning would emerge from the pyramid with a clouded mind. Fear attracts dark entities. I was prepared, and I was not afraid.
Building the Pyramid. When I grew up, I was tasked with participating in the construction of a pyramid. It was the third pyramid being built at that time. Its purpose was embalming. My adoptive mother Hatshepsut was to be buried there, as well as myself, because I was preparing to become pharaoh. I was not just an overseer. I was the architect. I created the model for this pyramid. I ensured that all parameters — height, length, width, wall thickness, material — conformed to the ancient priestly codes.
The pyramid was built by slaves. Among them were Jews. I knew this. But I did not attach any importance to it until one day.
The Murder of Paliy. I was 40 years old. I was standing at the window of my building watching the construction. I saw an elderly Jew. He was about 60 years old. He was carrying bricks on a wooden stretcher with three younger men. They were running in the heat, trying to meet the quota. The old man was exhausted, fell to his knees, clutching his heart. Several bricks fell off the stretcher.
An overseer named Paliy — a tall young man about thirty, cruel and rude — ran up to them. He began to beat the old man with a whip. The leather strap tore the skin from his back. The old man did not get up. Then Paliy threw down the whip and started kicking and beating him with his hands and feet. He lifted the old man by the neck and smashed his head against the bricks.
Blood rushed to my head. I ran out of the building and shouted: "Paliy, stop immediately! You'll kill him!" He turned around and shouted at me. He said I had no right to interfere. He said I was as much a Jew as that old man. He said: "You are not yet pharaoh to command me!" And he added curses I will not repeat.
I approached him. I hit him in the face. We started fighting. I grabbed him by the neck and smashed his head against the same bricks. Two blows — and he went limp. I turned him over on his back. I had been trained in medicine — priests know anatomy. I felt the edges of the wound on his head and realized I had fractured his skull. Within two minutes, he was dead.
I looked around. The slaves were looking at me. I realized what I had done. Under the laws of Egypt, even a future pharaoh could be executed for intentional murder. I could never become pharaoh now.
The Flight. I went to the Jews. They hid me. They were grateful to me for defending the old man. But a few days later, I saw two Jews fighting among themselves. I went over to separate them. One of them said to me: "Why are you interfering? Are you going to kill me, as you killed the Egyptian?"
I realized the rumors had spread. I could be turned in at any moment. That night I fled Egypt.
In Exile. I walked. In the desert, I met a caravan. I showed them the way to an oasis where there was water. They took me with them. I told them I needed refuge from the Egyptians. They suggested where to go.
I arrived at a settlement. I gave the name of a caravan leader known there. I was accepted. There was a high priest there. I showed him how to properly communicate with nature spirits — spirits of the desert, air, fire. I taught them how to treat diseases with the help of these civilizations they worshipped. He made me his assistant.
I had a wife, two sons, grandchildren. I did not graze someone else's cattle — I grazed my own. It was my hobby, my relaxation. I loved long walks with animals. I was already over 70 when I married, and over 70 when my sons were born. Actually, when I met Yahweh, I was 79 years old.
The Burning Bush. I was tending the flock. In the distance, I saw a fire. One of the bushes was burning. I came closer and saw that it was not an ordinary fire. Inside the bush was a brightly glowing sphere — like ball lightning. It was so bright that it radiated heat like the sun, but not a single leaf on the bush was damaged. There was no flame, only light and heat.
I heard a voice. It seemed to come from the air, from nowhere: "Take off your sandals, for the land on which you stand is holy ground." I looked around — no one. I realized that another god, unfamiliar to me, had decided to make contact. I took off my sandals.
The voice said: "I am Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob." I froze. I knew that name. It was the God of my ancestors. The Jews had told me about Him when I lived among them. They said He was the Creator God, the Maker of heaven and earth. I fell prostrate. But I was a priest, I was not afraid of gods. I asked Him questions.
He said I had a mission. I had to return to Egypt and lead the people out of slavery. I told Him I had thought about it myself, but I didn't see how it was possible. There was Pharaoh's entire army. We had no weapons. Yahweh said: "I will be with you. I will give you signs."
I agreed. I took my staff and went back to Egypt. I was 80 years old. My life was just beginning.
Part 3. I am Moses. The Plagues, Exodus, and the Law
The Ten Admonitions. Your Bible calls them "plagues." That is an incorrect translation. More accurately, "admonitions." Yahweh did not want to kill the Egyptians. He wanted to admonish them, to force them to let us go.
I acted with the help of my staff. Devices were built into it. I don't know what you would call them now — a teleporter, a field generator, a frequency emitter. Pharaoh's priests called it magic. It was not magic. It was technology given to me by Yahweh.
First Admonition (Water to Blood). I struck the Nile with my staff and pressed a knot that hid a button. Billions of colonies of microscopic algae were transported into the water. They secreted poison. Within three days, the fish floated up and rotted. The water was undrinkable. The Egyptians dug wells — but plasmoids, invisible beings, spread the algae there too. Pharaoh smirked. He said: "My priests can do that too." They showed him the same — but it was illusion, hypnosis. Mine was reality.
Second Admonition (Frogs). Frogs fled the poisoned water, seeking shelter from the sun. They climbed into houses, vessels, dough. I warned Pharaoh beforehand. He asked to remove them. I directed a paralyzing field at the frogs' frequency — they died. The Egyptians gathered them in piles. Pharaoh said: "Coincidence."
Third to Sixth (Gnats, Flies, Livestock Pestilence, Boils). Nature spirits — those you call "angels of the elements" — brought clouds of biting midges and gadflies. The flies carried a virus that killed cows and goats, and bacteria that caused purulent boils on the skin. Yahweh gave me a powder — a strong antibiotic. I dissolved it in water and gave it to the Jews. We did not get sick. Yahweh's ship, hovering above us disguised as a cloud, projected a field that kept insects away from us.
Seventh Admonition (Fiery Hail). A volcano erupted on an island in the Mediterranean Sea. Air spirits directed hot stones — with fire inside — onto Egypt. Crops were destroyed, roofs were pierced. Pharaoh said: "That has happened before."
Eighth Admonition (Locusts). The spirits that create locust souls sent a hungry migratory swarm. Within five days, the locusts ate everything that had survived the hail. Pharaoh laughed: "Your God's miracles are rather petty!"
Ninth Admonition (Darkness). A sandstorm came from the south. A cloud of volcanic ash from the same eruption came from the north. The mixture of sand and ash created dense darkness. It was impossible to breathe. The Jews had an energy dome — we had sun. Pharaoh said: "You just asked the air spirits. They helped you." He forbade me from entering the palace.
Tenth Admonition ("Death" of the Firstborn). Yahweh said: "I see the future. After this, he will drive you out himself." He ordered each Jewish family to slaughter a one-year-old lamb and smear the blood on their doorposts.
That night, the guardian angels of each Egyptian firstborn received a command from Yahweh's servants. They blocked the soul's return to the body during sleep. The Egyptians fell into a coma. They could not be awakened. Were they breathing? Yes, but very slowly. Their hearts beat, but very weakly. The Egyptians could not distinguish such a sleep from death. They assumed the firstborn had died.
In the morning, messengers galloped up shouting: "Great lamentation is over Egypt! Leave before sunset!" We packed our belongings. Jewish women begged gold and clothing from Egyptian women — they gave everything, just to make us leave.
We left. A day and a half later, the "dead" woke up. Pharaoh realized he had been deceived. He flew into a rage and sent a pursuit force — over one hundred thousand soldiers.
The Crossing of the Sea. We approached the Red Sea — or rather, the part where there was a shoal. There was a strong low tide. The water receded, exposing the shallows. We crossed. Pharaoh's chariots entered after us. When they were halfway across, Yahweh turned off the field holding back a large tidal wave. The water returned. The chariots sank with the soldiers. Pharaoh? I don't know if he drowned. I never saw him again.
I took no pleasure in these events. I did not rejoice in the death of the Egyptians. But I knew: if they had caught us, they would have killed everyone — men, women, children. We had no weapons. Yahweh chose the lesser cruelty.
Sacrifices. You ask why animal sacrifices were necessary? Why burn bulls and sheep? I will explain.
Yahweh had a contract with the Nature Spirits. As we walked through the desert for 40 years, spirits of mountains, desert, water, and air guarded us. They led us to water sources. They protected us from sandstorms. They helped us not get lost.
When Yahweh approached them with this proposal, they said: "Why should we? Why should we guard these people? Let them pay for their protection!"
Yahweh made a deal. We offer sacrifices in the name of Yahweh. We think the sacrifice is intended for God. But the energy — the ethereal energy released from the body of the killed animal — goes to the Nature Spirits. That is their payment. The actual ritual of cleansing from sins was then performed, in astral space, by Yahweh Himself and His assistants.
I am not saying it was ideal. I am telling you how it was.
Circumcision. You ask about the meaning of circumcision. It is not a medical procedure. It is not a "sign of the covenant" in the sense your theologians write. It is an energetic payment for entering the egregore of Judaism.
When you cut the foreskin, you create an energetic wound. Blood, pain, concentration of attention — all this creates a connection node between your subtle body and the people's egregore. You pay with your energy to be connected to the common "battery." It is not God's cruelty. It is energy mechanics.
The Prohibition of Mixing Milk and Meat. Now, about what you call kashrut. The original prohibition was very specific. Yahweh said: "Do not boil a young goat in its mother's milk." That's it. Nothing more.
Why? Because neighboring peoples had such a pagan ritual. They would boil the young in its mother's milk and offer it as a sacrifice to their gods. The energy of milk is the energy of life, nourishment, growth. The energy of the meat of that same young is the energy of death, decay, cessation. When these two energies are mixed in one food, they create a conflict on the etheric level. This conflict destroys the etheric matrices of human organs.
Therefore, Yahweh forbade that specific ritual. Everything else — the prohibition of eating meat and dairy together, separate dishes, separate knives, waiting six hours after meat — was invented later by rabbis. It was not in the original law.
My Death and Ascension. You know that my body was not found. I ascended a mountain north of the Dead Sea. I was over 120 years old. I was healthy because Yahweh sustained me. I felt I would soon leave incarnation.
But it happened differently. At night, I saw a long white streak in the sky. It turned into a beam. The beam fell on me. I lost weight. I rose up. Within moments, I found myself in a bright room. Around me were tall people — like lampposts. One of them approached me. I recognized him. It was Yahweh.
He said: "Welcome to our world. Now you will live among us." And I lived another 258 years on Tumesout. I saw Earth from the outside. I traveled on a pyramid-shaped spaceship. They showed me Earth's history — how humans were created, how the wars with the lizard people were, how civilizations formed. I asked thousands of questions. I studied.
And when I left that incarnation — already on Tumesout, of my own will — my spiritual level rose to the 24th. I became what you call Archangel Uriel. But I remember everything. I remember Moyshe, who smashed the overseer's head against the bricks. I remember the boy who stayed awake in the pyramid and spoke with Horus. I remember the old man who took off his sandals before the burning bush. All of this is me.
Part 4. Brief Summary of the Session with Yahweh
The detailed story of Yahweh — the Spirit who created the Jewish egregore and then incarnated as Jesus of Nazareth — is presented in a separate essay, "Yahweh Who Became Jesus: The Story of a Friend Who Was Not Recognized." Here are only the main points to complete the picture.
Yahweh is not Uriel. They are different Spirits. Uriel incarnated as Abraham and Moses. Yahweh incarnated as Jesus. Their missions intertwined: Yahweh created the Jewish egregore, and Moses (Uriel) was his main guide.
Yahweh was born on an orbital station of Tumesout 7,234 years ago. His height is about 12 meters. He had parents, a brother, two sisters, a wife named Martias, and six children. He mastered three professions: technologist, sociologist-psychologist, and religious scholar. He became the director of the "Academy for the Study of Earthly Civilization and its Integration into the Interstellar Union."
Yahweh created a plan to establish a monotheistic egregore on Earth to prepare the ground for his own incarnation as Jesus. He presented this plan to the Council of the Interstellar Union.
The Egyptian plagues (Yahweh's session confirms Moses's version) were technological operations. The "death of the firstborn" was a coma caused by guardian angels blocking the soul's return to the body.
The Ark of the Covenant was a technological device — a generator, GPS navigator, and climate control. It was disassembled after entering the Promised Land, and its parts are hidden in Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and Israel.
King David (now Archangel Metatron) confirmed that his famous psalm is translated incorrectly. "The Lord is my Shepherd" actually means "Yahweh is my close friend." The phrase "for You are with me" in the valley of the shadow of death is a later insertion. David walked through a swamp with a stick in his hand, feeling the way himself.
Yahweh left incarnation from the body of Yahweh approximately 320 years before the birth of Jesus. He incarnated in Nazareth, underwent crucifixion and resurrection, completing the cycle of creating the egregore. Today, Jesus lives on the planet Burhad in a restored and eternal body. The phantom of Yahweh with whom the session was conducted is a separated memory, specially preserved for contacts with Earth.
A detailed exposition of these topics, including a comparative analysis of the two versions of Yahweh (from Tumesout and from Sirius B), as well as historical parallels in Jewish and Christian traditions, can be found in the separate essay "Yahweh Who Became Jesus."
Part 5. What Would Have to be Rewritten in the Bible (A Thought Experiment)
What would disappear from the Bible completely:
The idea of a transcendent God violating the laws of nature.
The concept of sacrifice as something needed by God Himself.
The idea of "chosenness" as a reward — it would become functional ("empty vessel").
The image of the prophet as a weak-willed "servant of God" (replaced with "co-worker").
The representation of the "death of the firstborn" as punishment.
What would appear new in the Bible:
Techno-theology: descriptions of devices, fields, teleportation, ships.
Cosmic geography: Tumesout, Burhad, Interstellar Union, Academy.
Energy economics: egregores, entry fees, contracts with nature spirits.
A reincarnational model for prophets (Abraham and Moses as one Spirit).
Part 6. Final Conclusion
If we continue the thought experiment and accept the contact with Uriel-Moses as real, we get a picture that radically differs from everything you know from the Bible and from history.
The Bible is not fiction, but neither is it literal truth. It describes real events, but through the prism of perception of people who lacked the words "teleportation," "field generator," "team of guardian angels." They saw a miracle. We see technology. They saw God. We see a highly developed curator. It is the same event, described in different languages.
Moses is not a mythical hero. He was a living person who killed, fled, herded cattle, married, had children, and at 80 years old took on the impossible. He was not a weak-willed "servant of God." He argued with Yahweh, doubted, got angry, made mistakes. And that is precisely why he could lead the people — because he was just like them.
Archangel Uriel is not an abstract figure. He is the same Spirit who was Abraham and Moses. He traveled the path from human incarnation to the 24th level. He knows what pain, doubt, anger, and fatigue are. And he plans to be born again — in 30 years, in one of the countries of Earth, to bring the Law again. But now, not the Law of fear and punishment, but the Law of Love.
And the main thing we have learned: power is not sacred. Yahweh, who had the ability to destroy Egypt with a laser from his ship, did not do it. He chose the path of admonitions, coma instead of death. Moses, who was a military leader, did not lead the people to war — he led them through the desert. And Archangel Uriel, having reached the highest level, did not remain in the Spiritual World — he wants to be born as a human again, to be among you.
Because true holiness is not in power or correct doctrine. But in coming not as a master, but as a friend. And being recognized.
David understood this three thousand years ago. He wrote: "Yahweh is my close friend." And theologians translated: "The Lord is my Shepherd." They translated Friend into master. They translated freedom into submission. They translated the stick in hand — into the expectation that someone will come and save.
And when that Someone came — in Nazareth, 2000 years ago — he was not recognized.
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Link: https://blog.cassiopeia.center/arhangel-uriil-zemnye-voploshcheniya-mir-bogov-pok
Cassiopeia #554 Archangel Uriel – Earthly Incarnations, the World of Gods. Patronage of Israel and Religious Egregores.
00:00 Start of video.
00:19 Conference excerpts.
"...I incarnated as Abraham and Moses..."
"...and I am not mentioned in the New Testament because at that time I practically never left the confines of the planet Tumesout, but of course, I knew about the mission of Jesus Christ, and we communicated mentally..."
"...that is, I was responsible for the incarnation of very many – millions – of plasmoid civilizations, and perhaps that is why it is reflected in myths that I govern the 'abyss,' because for a human, a plasmoid civilization is an incomprehensible abyss of worlds..."
"...for example, besides Leonardo da Vinci, I also contacted Isaac Newton and Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, and even when Yuri Gagarin came to church to light candles, I also sensed him, came and embraced him with my wing..."
"...Archangel is not a level, but simply a job..."
02:16 Greeting.
Irina: Hello, dear friends! My name is Irina Podzorova, I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, and today with us is a representative of the Spiritual World, an unincarnated Spirit whose spiritual name is Archangel Uriel. And today, Stas will be asking him questions. Hello, Stas!
Stas: Greetings, Irina! Greetings, Divine Spirit – Archangel Uriel! My name is Stas, I have been a volunteer for the "Cassiopeia" Project for over a year now, and today I have the honor of asking questions to such a famous and widely known Spirit on Earth – Archangel Uriel. May I begin the questions?
Irina (Uriel): Yes, of course.
03:20 Archangel Uriel about himself, his incarnations, and spiritual levels.
Stas: First question: what does your name mean?
Irina (Uriel): Light of God.
Stas: Is that your original spiritual name or one acquired here on Earth?
Irina (Uriel): Original, from the time I became aware of myself.
Stas: Excellent. And what spiritual level are you currently at?
Irina (Uriel): 24th.
Stas: And over the existence of this cycle of the Universe, what were your lowest and highest spiritual levels?
Irina (Uriel): My lowest was the fourteenth, meaning I have never descended lower. Well, the highest you already know.
Stas: Yes, twenty-fourth. Are you currently incarnated or are you an unincarnated Spirit?
Irina (Uriel): Currently, I am an unincarnated Spirit, and I have many contactees on Earth.
Stas: And how many incarnations have you had in this Universe, in this cycle?
Irina (Uriel): In this cycle, I have had 8,216 incarnations.
Stas: Wow! Did you incarnate on Earth, and how many times?
Irina (Uriel): Yes, I have incarnated on Earth 352 times since the beginning of its civilization, but these incarnations were in various ancient eras, mainly from the beginning of Earth's civilization up to the period on Earth that ended about three thousand years ago.
Stas: And which incarnations do you consider the most significant for your Spirit here on Earth?
Irina (Uriel): Overall, I have incarnated many times on the planet Tumesout, several incarnations were on the planet Burhad, including as a spiritual leader. On Earth, I incarnated as one of the eighteen people who were the first representatives of earthly civilization, but I was a woman then, that is, one of the first nine women.
In that incarnation, I knew the Spirit you now know as Archangel Metatron, and we are close friends, it's like a spiritual unity.
Stas: Yes, we know that Spirit.
Irina (Uriel): He and I have spiritual unity.
Stas: Great.
Irina (Uriel): Also, among the significant incarnations known to you in your historical period, I incarnated as Abraham and Moses.
Stas: Oh, wow!
07:14 Archangel Uriel about the incarnation in which he reached the 24th spiritual level.
Stas: And in which incarnation did you reach the 24th level?
Irina (Uriel): After the incarnation as Moses, I incarnated again on the planet Tumesout, and there I reached the 24th level (when I left Moses' body, I had reached the 18th level).
Stas: I see. So, you took a direct part in the development of our civilization here on Earth.
Irina (Uriel): Yes.
Stas: That was actually one of the next questions: did you participate in the creation of the first bodies of earthlings? I understand that you incarnated.
Irina (Uriel): Well, more as an "object." (laughs)
Stas: Okay.
08:09 Archangel Uriel about his whereabouts during the time of Jesus Christ on Earth and in the body of Yahweh.
Stas: In religious egregores, you are known as an Angel of God and as one of the companions of Jesus Christ. So the question: how did you participate in the activities of Jesus Christ, what functions did you perform?
Irina (Uriel): I was still incarnated on Tumesout when he lived.
Stas: And when he was incarnated in the body of Yahweh?
Irina (Uriel): When he was incarnated in the body of Yahweh, I was in the body of Abraham and the body of Moses.
(Irina): So he had a long life there. And Tumesoutians sometimes live so long that their contactees can change several bodies on Earth.
Stas: Yes, exactly, they can live there for tens of thousands of years.
Irina: Well, they can live for different periods, tens of thousands of years only if it corresponds to the task of their Soul in that incarnation. But often they leave earlier – after one, two, three thousand years, because their presence is needed elsewhere.
Stas: I see.
09:34 Archangel Uriel about his mission in the Universe.
Stas: Okay, then the next question: overall in the Universe, what is your function now as an Angel of the 24th level?
Irina (Uriel): As an Angel of the 24th level, I am part of the Karma Council, which you call the Council of Lords of Karma. Archangel Metatron is also present there as our leader, chieftain. Only he is not the kind of leader or chieftain who gives orders, but the one who gives ideological form to our activities.
Stas: This is at the level of our Galaxy, right? Am I understanding correctly?
Irina (Uriel): Yes, our Milky Way Galaxy, although in my more than eight thousand incarnations, I have also incarnated in other galaxies.
10:38 Archangel Uriel about his mission on Earth.
Stas: And what is your function on Earth?
Irina (Uriel): I am also a patron of the religious egregores of Christianity, Judaism, and one of the leaders of the egregore of the State of Israel.
(Irina): So he also looks after egregores: one of the patrons of the Christian egregore, the Jewish egregore, and generally the egregore of Israel.
Stas: That was actually one of the next questions – is he a curator of the Christian egregore?
Irina (Uriel): One of them.
11:27 Archangel Uriel about his mention in canonical texts.
Stas: Then this question: why then is Archangel Uriel not mentioned in canonical Orthodox texts?
Irina (Uriel): I am mentioned as Abraham and Moses.
Stas: Ah, as incarnations.
Irina (Uriel): Yes, that is my Spirit, and therefore, when Abraham or Moses are depicted on an icon, there are particles of my energy there, and through these icons, communication with my Spirit occurs. Moreover, if you pray to Abraham and Moses as holy righteous people of God, that prayer still comes to me as energy. That is, prayer is words accompanied by energy.
And I am not mentioned in the New Testament because at that time I practically never left the confines of the planet Tumesout, but of course, I knew about the mission of Jesus Christ, and we communicated mentally.
Stas: I see. So that is likely where the roots stem from that Uriel is most often mentioned in the Jewish, Judaic egregore compared to other egregores.
Irina (Uriel): Yes, I am a patron of the Jewish religious egregore, which arose earlier than the Christian one, and I played a key role in its emergence in my two incarnations – as Abraham and Moses.
13:23 Archangel Uriel about his support of Jesus Christ during His incarnation.
Stas: And during the period of Christ's incarnation on Earth, were you in the Spiritual World, correct?
Irina (Uriel): No, I was incarnated on the planet Tumesout.
Stas: You were incarnated on the planet Tumesout. Did you help in His activities on Earth in any way?
Irina (Uriel): I communicated with Him mentally and mentally with His mother, and I also flew to the planet Burhad, where I physically communicated with His Father, in whom Archangel Metatron was then incarnated. And I supported Him with spiritual energy.
Stas: I see.
14:14 Archangel Uriel about the firstborn nature of Jesus Christ.
Irina (Uriel): But I wouldn't say that He needed support; rather, He, as the firstborn Son of God... That is, He is the Spirit who perceived the fullness of Divine Love, and of His own will, despite numerous incarnations, did not lose a single "spark."
This is the essence of "firstborn" – here the word "first" is not used in the sense of "in time," but in the sense of "first among those who preserved." That is, "first" is like among the stars of a constellation, there is its "alpha" – the first star. It may appear at any time compared to other stars in the constellation, but it shines brighter than all. So here, "firstborn" in this sense.
Stas: Okay, I understand. I understand the magnitude.
15:24 Archangel Uriel about the history of the veneration of Archangels in Catholicism.
Stas: The next question is slightly related to an event that occurred in the Catholic Church in 745 – Pope Zachary removed many Angels from the list of those venerated, including Archangel Uriel, leaving only the names Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael. What is the reason for this?
Irina (Uriel): He did this because this name was not mentioned in the canonical books of the Old and New Testaments, but in the tradition of the Orthodox Church, there are still icons of Archangel Uriel.
I will explain now. Archangel Uriel is my spiritual name, so I already said that for me, it makes no difference which of my incarnations you venerate and love.
It was simply his decision, because it wasn't in the books, and Zachary considered it a Jewish influence on Christianity – specifically Uriel, etc. (shows Irina several other Angels that were not mentioned in the New Testament and other books, disciples of the apostles).
Stas: I see.
17:06 Archangel Uriel about his depiction as the Angel of Wisdom.
Stas: Next question: why is Uriel considered the Angel of Wisdom and often depicted – for example, in the Anglican tradition – holding a book or scroll?
Irina (Uriel): This is precisely a sign of understanding that I, in the body of Moses, brought the Torah to Earth as the Law of God. That is, I wrote it under the guidance of Yahweh (in some countries he is called Jehovah, that incarnation of Jesus Christ). But on Earth, I am perceived as his prophet or guide, the only one of the people of that time who could perceive this Torah, necessary for Earth, and spread it among his people. Therefore, Archangel Uriel, his image is drawn with a scroll in his hands, so the one who drew it subconsciously understood who I was.
Stas: The reason is clear now.
18:29 Archangel Uriel in Kabbalah.
Stas: In Kabbalah, Uriel is considered the Archangel of the North and Earth. What are these images associated with?
Irina (Uriel): Of the North and Earth? Because all this is also connected with Moses.
The fact is that according to Jewish tradition, which Kabbalah adopted, the death of Moses, his exit from incarnation, occurred north of the territory you call the Dead Sea. And accordingly, earth (and here the translation of the Hebrew word "eretz" – north) – is generally earth as a country, and "northern" means "north of the Dead Sea," therefore I became its patron.
My name became associated with the northern land because Moses left incarnation there, and those who wrote it also felt my connection with him, our unity, and therefore they placed such a symbol in their books. But I want to say right away that, as you well know, Moses' body was not found, there is no grave. He simply went up the mountain and, as it were, disappeared.
20:35 Archangel Uriel about the ascension of Moses and life on Tumesout.
Irina (Uriel): When I was in his body, I told my disciple Joshua to write in the book of Deuteronomy that he was my successor and that I had left incarnation. I am now remembering that moment, remembering that incarnation.
I was already over 120 years old, but thanks to the support of my curator Yahweh, I was a fairly healthy person, and also thanks to my own spiritual work on myself. And I climbed a mountain that was somewhere just under a kilometer high.
(Irina): Such a "grandfather." (laughs)
Stas: A strong man.
Irina (Uriel): I really felt that my Soul would soon leave incarnation. But that did not happen because, when night came, I saw a long white streak in the sky, which turned into a beam (shows), and this beam fell on me, and I felt weightless. I felt myself rising up and within moments found myself in a very bright room where there were many people who were very tall, like lampposts.
And one of them came up to me and said that He was Yahweh. I recognized Him immediately because I had seen Him before. I fell (shows) before Him as before a god, I understood that these were gods on a heavenly chariot. And they invited me to visit their Divine world, and I saw how the gods live. And the last years of my life, of my incarnation in the body of Moses, I lived among them.
Stas: And how many years did that take?
Irina (Uriel): It took another 258 years according to Earth's calendar.
Stas: Unbelievable!
Irina (Uriel): Because this term was approved by my Higher Self, my Spirit. And this time was given to me so that I could receive consolation, enjoyment from life in the Divine world, as a reward for leading my people of Israel out of Egypt, and for creating the foundation for the Jewish egregore, and including for the subsequent incarnation of Yahweh on Earth. That is, I prepared this ground.
This life – over 250 years in the world of gods (for me they were gods, I perceived them as gods) – was a reward for me instead of the "Promised Land," which I could not enter due to the stubbornness of the people who did not want to leave their slave habits.
Stas: And throughout these years, did he never return to Earth?
Irina (Uriel): I flew, but I did not go to my people, I looked at Earth – they showed me, they brought me, and I looked at Earth from the outside, visited different countries. But it was only three times.
I knew that they considered me dead there, and I even spoke with Joshua on a spiritual level and told him that I was alive. And he asked me: "Where is your body?" – because they couldn't find it, they thought wild animals had torn it apart. But there were no traces of blood or torn clothing in that place. Later, after I left, there were various rumors about where my body had disappeared, including that I had come down from the mountain and gotten lost because I lost my memory. And I told him that I live with the gods. But he perceived it as "my Soul lives with the gods."
Stas: And throughout this life, did he come to the realization that he had incarnated as Abraham before?
Irina (Uriel): There were such insights, like intuition. There was such intuition, and I even asked Yahweh about it, but He told me: "Your Soul will reveal everything to you when the time comes."
Stas: It must have been a very strong shock for Moses – to move from Earth, from the living conditions people were in at that time, to Burhad, a super-technological planet?
Irina: He shows me something more similar to Tumesout.
Stas: Ah, to Tumesout. He lived the remaining time on Tumesout.
Irina: Yes, he shows me such big people, like lampposts.
(Uriel): And I perceived their great height as evidence of their divinity, as you perceive Angels. And I asked them many times, when I was in Moses' body, whether I was dead or not. And they said: "No, you are still in a body." And I said: "How is it possible then – to live among you? After all, only Souls can live among you." They smiled at me (shows) and said: "You live in your body, you have simply been moved from Earth to another planet." But they didn't say the word "planet," because we didn't have such words in our language – instead, "to a star."
And, accordingly, I said: "How is that?" They showed me different moving pictures showing what and how. They first showed me – there was a window in the wall, and in this window were moving pictures.
(Irina): He is now showing me his perception, which he had then.
(Uriel): And there was a beautiful white-blue sphere among the stars. And they told me: "This is planet Earth, where you live." And I say: "I don't recognize Earth." And they began to zoom in, and I saw some sea, deserts, only from above.
(Irina): He says he had such, not shock, but misunderstanding, how people of such height, similar to earthlings, could live on another planet. But he says that was at first, then they gradually explained about creating people, and that people are also their descendants, that is, not descendants, but rather children in whom part of their body is embedded, and that happened very, very long ago.
(Uriel): They told me about the war with the lizards (shows large lizards), and I understood that it was very, very long ago, at the dawn of the development of all earthly peoples, when none of the earthly peoples I knew yet existed. But I understood what was being discussed, and after a few months (shows) I was already calm about everything.
31:53 Archangel Uriel about the origin of the names "Adam" and "Eve".
Stas: And what did he do for all those hundreds of years?
Irina (Uriel): I continued to communicate with Yahweh and perfect my Spirit, and I traveled on a spaceship in the form of a large pyramid. I traveled, they showed me different worlds (shows various landscapes flashing by), that is, I learned about the Universe and learned the history of Earth. And they translated the text of Earth's history into a language I could understand especially for me (shows listening to something) – how Earth was formed, how people were formed. And I just asked thousands of questions. Why is it written about Adam and Eve? They transmitted it to me, I wrote about Adam and Eve. And not only me, it was also recorded in ancient manuscripts, in myths, that is, it wasn't only in the Torah.
And they told me that the word "Adam" (they explained it to me then, and now I fully understand it) – does not mean a specific person, "Adam" generally means humanity, the entire totality of human egregores. That is, "Adam" is a designation in the language of Tumesout (because they transmitted to me in Hebrew, which is simplified Tumesoutian). There is such a word there – "Haradam" (not "adam," but "Haradam"), which means humanity as the inhabitants of the third density level on planet Earth. Earth in Tumesoutian is called "Atinat," and "Haradam" is its physical population.
Stas: I see.
Irina: And later it was translated as "red clay." But the fact is that this word refers not only to red clay, but also to the color red in general, including the color of blood, and humans have red blood.
And "Eve," or "Haava," in Hebrew meant the word "life," more precisely "giver of life." And therefore Adam and Eve are symbols of humanity, which gives life to newer and newer generations.
Stas: I see. What a deep meaning is hidden in these two names.
Irina: That is, they are not names of individual people, but symbols.
Stas: Of humanity. Okay, and then the question...
Irina: That is, we can say that any man is Adam, and any woman is Eve, because Adam gives the strength of his blood, which is red, to the woman so that she may produce life. After all, a man's seed is produced from blood.
Stas: And in the end, when Moses discarnated from his body, already on Tumesout, did the discarnation happen of his own free will, or did the time just come?
Irina (Uriel): It was my own will, both as a Soul and as a Spirit. That is, the agreement was because I needed to incarnate further, and in my next incarnation I was already in the body of a Tumesoutian myself.
Stas: Who then met the incarnated Jesus Christ as a fellow earthling?
Irina (Uriel): I did not meet Him specifically, but His Father on Burhad.
Stas: With His Father, yes, excuse me.
36:42 Archangel Uriel as the Angel who governs the "abyss".
Stas: Next question. In the Book of Enoch, Uriel is mentioned as the Angel watching over Tartarus. This is the abyss and prison for titans or giants. Why is this function assigned to him?
Irina (Uriel): The fact is that in one of the periods of my life – not in any body, but in the period of my existence as a Spirit – I was responsible for the incarnation of Spirits from the 16th to the 22nd density level in one of the arms of the Milky Way Galaxy. That is, I was responsible for the incarnation of very many – millions – of plasmoid civilizations. And perhaps that is why it is reflected in myths that I govern the "abyss," because for a human, a plasmoid civilization is an incomprehensible abyss of worlds.
Stas: I see.
38:23 Archangel Uriel about Noah, Ezra, and Enoch.
Stas: Okay, then the next question. In the same Book of Enoch, it is mentioned that Uriel was the messenger who warned Noah about the upcoming cataclysm. Is that really so?
Irina (Uriel): The thing is that during the war that occurred 12,000 years ago, at that specific time I was not incarnated. And Noah is again a collective name for a group of people who helped representatives of the Interstellar Union save other people and representatives of Earth's flora and fauna. And indeed, I contacted them, but from the Spiritual World. With some of them (shows).
Stas: And Uriel is also mentioned in the Book of Ezra, as the Angel sent to Ezra in response to his pleas and requests to answer questions related to the fate of the people of Israel. Is that true?
Irina (Uriel): I know who it is, he is indeed one of my contactees, and he also contacted Metatron. By the way, Enoch, or Hanokh, about whom you just asked, was precisely an incarnation of Metatron. And Ezra was also an incarnation of one Spirit.
(Irina): He shows him to me, I don't know him, he is also an Archangel, and later was incarnated as one of the co-workers of the Apostle Paul. Yes, I understood who it is. He is showing me images now.
40:51 Uriel on the concept of "Archangel".
Irina (Uriel): I want to say that Archangels are those Angels who manage councils of other Angels. Usually, Angels from the 22nd to the 24th level of the Spiritual World are called that, but not all of them, only those who have taken on the mission of managing some council of Angels, or, as you say, higher beings. Sometimes, in rare cases, an Angel from the 17th to the 21st level can also be called an Archangel – if he has created a large council of Angels and put a lot of work, a lot of effort into its activities.
That is, Archangel is not a level, but simply a job. So I am now telling you what an Archangel is, so that you understand that it is not just a level, but a specific service that can be assigned to any Angel. But, of course, with his desire and consent.
Accordingly, Ezra is the same Spirit who was later incarnated as the Apostle Luke, and he is currently also in incarnation.
Stas: On Earth?
Irina: Yes, I even know into whom, he showed him to me, I know who it is.
Stas: Interesting. Many incarnated apostles are there now.
Irina (Uriel): Yes, because Earth is going through one of the key periods of its development, so many apostles have incarnated here. Other worlds of the Interstellar Union have already passed this period, while Earth is just about to go through it, and for some it will be a difficult period, for some an easy one, but undoubtedly, for everyone it will be bright, because it will bring Light to everyone.
Stas: Great! Good words, encouraging. Thank you.
43:29 Archangel Uriel about contacts with Leonardo da Vinci and other scientists.
Stas: Well, the next question. We had a session with Leonardo da Vinci, and the Spirit of Leonardo da Vinci said that he had contacted – although he didn't know about it then, but later, after discarnation, he received this information – that when painting many of his religious works, paintings, he contacted, received information and images from Archangel Uriel. Is that really true?
Irina (Uriel): Yes, I contacted him. I generally love contacting various scientists, as well as religious figures. But only not with those who fanatically defend their right, imposing faith on others, but with those religious figures who are open to the opinions of other people, other faiths and try to see sparks of Divine Love in all people.
For example, besides Leonardo da Vinci, I also contacted Isaac Newton and Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, and even when Yuri Gagarin came to church to light candles, I also sensed him, came and embraced him with my wing.
Stas: This is probably also one of the reasons why Archangel Uriel is considered the Angel of Wisdom – because he contacts precisely people who have such a life purpose.
Irina (Uriel): Yes, possibly, but I already said that initially this scroll signifies the Torah. And in its time, it was not only a religious, but quite a scientific work.
45:53 Archangel Uriel about favorite stones and plans for incarnation on Earth.
Stas: Okay, then a question regarding contacting your Spirit. Which stone or mineral facilitates contact with your Spirit?
Irina (Uriel): I really love stones: amethyst, sapphire, heliotrope, and diamond.
Stas: And a question regarding Earth and your plans. Is there an incarnation on Earth in the 21st century among us, among earthlings, in your plans?
Irina (Uriel): Yes, I am already thinking about it, and I want to immediately assure my contactees that if I decide to incarnate in any world, it will not interfere with contacting you in any way, because when a Spirit who is a curator of many incarnated Spirits incarnates, his Higher Self continues to contact them through a phantom.
That is, it won't interfere, and I really plan to incarnate, but somewhat later, in about 30 years, when the next stage of the quantum transition, so to speak, will be underway on Earth, and Earth may face another danger of its destruction. I want to incarnate in the country that will play a key role on the path of all earthlings towards peace, prosperity, and justice. I want to bring the Law of God again into hearts blinded by pride, ignorance, and selfishness.
Stas: Wonderful. How good to know that in the future, not too distant, you will incarnate among us, that's wonderful. This help will be invaluable.
Irina (Uriel): Good. I will choose my parents from those families who fear not God, but fear being without God and going into Darkness. And only one's own heart, filled with vices and evil, can leave one without God, and here the word "fear" is not used in its primary meaning as a negative emotion. The true meaning of the words "fear of God" denotes the reasonable caution of any person in dealing with their secret desires, which can be largely distorted by their own emotional blocks.
And also the "fear of God" denotes a careful and cautious attitude towards the enormous potential energy embedded in your body, which is called "instinct." Caution is needed here so that this "fire" can turn in your heart into the Light of Divine Love, and not burn your Soul. And it is precisely those men and women who understand this and implement it in their daily lives and spiritual practice that I will seek as my parents. Wherever they live, in whatever country, and whatever faith they profess, I will see the purity of their intentions and the Love of their hearts.
Stas: Great. We all wish you a wonderful incarnation and the fulfillment of all your tasks for this incarnation!
Irina (Uriel): Yes, I have already been reviewing, as I am in the Spiritual World, the options for my incarnation. There are several, in fact, and they take place on the territory of different countries. I have five options – two options in Israel, one option in Russia, and one each in India and America.
Stas: Wherever you incarnate, I am sure you will contribute to all humanity, help all humanity.
Irina (Uriel): Thank you.
50:33 Parting words from Archangel Uriel to earthlings.
Stas: Finally, I would like to ask you to say parting words to us, earthlings, in this period. What would you convey to us?
Irina (Uriel): I would like to convey to you the wish to remember that God is the being who made your life in this world possible. And everything you have belongs to God. Even you belong to God, as His separated energy. And when you begin to understand this, you will begin to feel that you belong to Love. And that very expression, "servant of God," which repels many people, will turn for you into the expression "servant of Love." The one who becomes a servant of Love ceases to be a slave of hatred. And I wish you to always serve Love, because by serving it, you will never remain deceived or unhappy.
Stas: Thank you. Yes, day after day we try to serve Love.
Irina: "Servant of Love." (laughs) An interesting expression.
Stas: Okay, thank you very much! I'm done, no more questions.
Irina: Yes, I thank Archangel Uriel, it was very interesting. Moses, it turns out, where he lived – also very interesting.
So, thank you, Stas. Thank you, dear friends, for watching this video, for your support. I love you all and send you the Light of my Love and gratitude. Until next time!
Stas: Bye.
April 7, 2023
Conference participants:
Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, with subtle-material civilizations, and with the Spiritual World;
Stas – volunteer of the "Cassiopeia" Project;
Archangel Uriel – unincarnated Spirit, governor of the Jewish and Christian egregores, patron of planet Earth. In his incarnations, he was Abraham and Moses.
Link: https://blog.cassiopeia.center/prorok-moisej-zhizneopisanie-misterii-drevnego-egi
Cassiopeia #702 PROPHET MOSES – biography. Mysteries of Ancient Egypt. Meeting with Yahweh. The Story of the Exodus. Part 1
00:00 Start of video.
00:20 Conference excerpt.
"...It was... Yes, they had already built two. When it all happened, the third was already being built. These pyramids were intended for embalming..."
"...The priests knew about my origin. And some of them, who initiated me into the mystery of Horus, said that I must become pharaoh..."
"...It so happened that she decided to circumcise him while he slept, to save his life, although it was not Yahweh..."
01:11 Introduction of participants.
Irina: Hello, dear friends! My name is Irina Podzorova. I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, subtle-material civilizations, and the Spiritual World. Today we have a conference dedicated to the person of the prophet Moses. He is the author of five books traditionally bearing his name, the so-called Pentateuch of Moses, or the Torah. It is part of the Bible. This is the very Moses who led the Jews out of Egypt.
Probably few have not heard this story. I remind you that Archangel Uriel was incarnated as Moses, the Spirit known to us as Archangel Uriel. Currently, his phantom with the memory of Moses is present here. I remind you that Uriel himself is currently not incarnated. Nevertheless, to allow the Spirit of Moses to answer specifically about his life, using his memory, this decision was made. So Moses greets you!
Tatiana: I greet everyone present! My name is Tatiana Skryglevetskaya. I am a spiritual psychologist, a guide, an assistant in the activation of the Spiritual Heart. And questions about interacting with animals – that's also for me. I am grateful that we have this conference today, this opportunity.
How may I correctly address the Spirit of Moses?
Irina (Moses): Moses is already more of a Western pronunciation; my name was Moyshe.
Tatiana: Moyshe, yes. As "ty" (informal) or "Vy" (formal), what is correct in this story?
Irina (Moses): You address God as "ty," don't you? So address me as "ty" as well.
Tatiana: Thank you.
03:22 Moses about his origin.
Tatiana: I became interested in asking you questions when, during Passover, various people started telling me (seemingly intelligent, well-read, receiving information themselves) that you were actually an Egyptian and a priest of Osiris. And please tell me (although of course there is the Torah, the Pentateuch) about the exodus of the Jews from Egypt, and in general about the 40 years of you leading this large crowd of people through the desert. This is a huge event for our civilization, one of the most fundamental, it seems to me. Tell me, please, did you write these texts yourself? Or did you know they were being written? Or were they written after your life?
Irina (Moses): I was Jewish by blood, but I was trained in Egypt, which you call Ancient Egypt, as a priest. And at the same time, I was trained, so to speak, in political affairs, as I was a contender for the throne of Pharaoh, one of the contenders.
04:56 Moses's adoptive mother.
Tatiana: Tell me, please, this story about you being left in a basket by the Nile and found by a princess, did it really happen?
Irina (Moses): Yes, it really is so. Only she didn't find me by accident (shows a beautiful girl), but because she and I had an agreement about this in the Spiritual World that she would save me.
Tatiana: Of course, where do coincidences happen for us! And you were raised in her palace?
Irina (Moses): At first, I was raised in her palace, but I was raised by my mother, who was invited to...
(Irina): I don't know, yes. The fact is that her name was Hatsheput. Some Hadsheput. I hear the name Hatshepsut.
Tatiana: The princess?
Irina (Moses): She was the daughter of the pharaoh, and later she herself became a ruler.
Tatiana: Did she adopt you, or were you simply a ward?
Irina (Moses): She adopted me, because her own son, who appeared after she adopted me (she later gave birth to a son), her only son died at about three years old, while bathing in the same Nile. He was simply carried away by a wave, and accordingly, he drowned.
06:31 Moses about his training as a priest.
Tatiana: Tell me, please, about how you studied to become a priest. That you were prepared as a politician is understandable, since you were a ward and adopted son of a princess. But studying to be a priest – was that your choice, your Soul's choice? Did your mother want it, or was it customary?
Irina (Moses): It was customary, because all pharaohs underwent certain priestly initiations.
Tatiana: And you have initiations, yes?
Irina (Moses): Yes, of course.
Tatiana: Can you, if allowed for us to know, tell us what mysteries were performed? What did a priest of Osiris do – was it magical practices, spiritual practices?
Irina (Moses): I was not only a priest of Osiris, I also worshipped the Sun, the god Ra (shows). And I also participated in ceremonies with Horus. Horus, Ra, Osiris, and Thoth – these were the gods. These were the main entities with whom I learned to communicate as a teenager, when rituals were performed with me.
07:48 The rite of initiation into the servant of Horus.
Irina: He shows me how the priests performed rituals, shows how they put some clothes on him, some precious jewelry, read some incantations, and leave him alone in the pyramid.
(Moses): And they give me a drink (shows a drink made from some herbs that increase sensitivity). And I was 12 years old at that time. This is how the initiation into the servant of Horus is conducted. And there I was supposed to receive approval from Horus to become the heir to the throne of Pharaoh.
Tatiana: And did you see, feel Horus then? In what form did he come to you?
Irina (Moses): He came as a man about four meters tall. It was in a pyramid.
(Irina): It was a temple in the form of a pyramid. There were certain statues near the walls, and they were somehow hollow inside, and there were some books inside them. Like...
Tatiana: Scrolls.
Irina: Yes, scrolls. They were inside the statues.
Tatiana: Was that how a temple library looked, or was it a secret repository?
Irina (Moses): That's how the temple looked. And these books were not supposed to be taken out of there, they were supposed to be stored there.
Tatiana: Then what was the function of these books? Did they create an energetic background or something?
Irina (Moses): The function of these books was...
(Irina): Yes, I understand. Each letter written in them was supposed to inscribe a certain protection in space, so to speak. Like letters transitioning into space.
Tatiana: Do you know, did these scrolls perish, or are they still working somewhere? Do you know?
Irina (Moses): I think they are preserved in those same statues where they were.
(Irina): At least, he shows me, what this place, this locality sounds like in their language – Sheonkha.
Tatiana: Thank you.
Tatiana: And tell me, please, they say that during initiations, the ancient Egyptians had some underwater labyrinths. In general, severe trials. Not every adept survived undergoing these initiations. Is that so or not?
Irina (Moses): Yes. These were mystical actions. But they were associated with other gods.
(Irina): Shows me someone in the form of a crocodile – Ksyhmet [Sobek]. I don't know that one.
Tatiana: Okay, I understand.
11:04 Moses about the sacrifice to Horus and being recognized as pharaoh.
Tatiana: Tell me, please, you were a temple servant.
Irina (Moses): Yes, but I didn't tell. Horus came when I was in this temple. I had to spend the night there. And there were oil lamps, like candles. Such round bowls in which a small fire burned.
Tatiana: A wick?
Irina (Moses): Yes. There were eight of them (shows how they are arranged on some shelves). And I had to not fall asleep. That is, I had to stay awake through the night. I remind you, I was 12 years old! I waited for Horus. Before that, I fasted for two days – I ate only wheat porridge with special herbs. And in the evening, before entering, I was given a drink of herbs that increases brain sensitivity for contact with the gods.
And before that, of course, I already knew a lot. I knew prayers dedicated to Horus by heart because I had to read them while there. And when I started reading, I gradually fell into a kind of half-drowsy, half-asleep state. But I remembered that I couldn't sleep.
And I saw a being pass through the wall, right through the wall, coming towards me – a man about four meters tall with the head of a falcon (shows that he was so material that objects were not visible through him). I was already prepared for this contact and greeted him. He said: "Stand on your feet, mortal man!"
(Irina): He shows interestingly how it all looks from the outside!
(Moses): I stood up, I had a sacrifice prepared.
(Irina): Shows that a kind of flatbread with fish was offered as a sacrifice. Like some dried fish, and it needed to be presented to Horus.
(Moses): He communicated with me mentally and said: "Your sacrifice is accepted, and you are worthy to become pharaoh." That is, he approved, as it were.
I waited until morning and told everything to the priests. But they already knew about this result, that is, he told them too.
By the way, when I was being prepared for this initiation ritual, I was told that many candidates, boys my age, would try to get out from there, but the door was closed. They would start to fear: many entities would come to them, and they would start to fear and attract them with their fear. And they would start banging on the door, screaming, but no one would open the door until morning. And some even became such that... In the morning, they would open the doors, and he wouldn't recognize anyone, that is, such a shock. I heard many such stories.
Tatiana: And what about the flatbread? What happened to the flatbread? Did Horus take it? Or did you just leave it there?
Irina (Moses): When he said the sacrifice was accepted, I put it on a special dish that stood near the altar.
Tatiana: Thank you.
15:32 When and why did Moses end up on Tumesout?
Tatiana: Did you end up on Tumesout after completing your mission because you were a priest, or for some other reason?
Irina (Moses): That was already after, when I was in another country. There I made contact with another god – with the god named Yahweh. This is no longer Horus, it's a different god. But throughout my life, I actually communicated with many, and it wasn't some surprising event for me.
Tatiana: Tell me, was Yahweh also incarnated as a Tumesoutian then?
Irina: Yes, He was. Are you asking when He got there? Or are you asking about Moses's life?
Tatiana: Yes, yes, it's all about the story of Moyshe. First you were heir to the throne of the pharaohs and a priest. And you ended your life on Tumesout. Where, actually, as far as we know, the Egyptian gods are from. That's why I ask. Did you get there before?
Irina (Moses): That was already at the end of my life, after leaving Egypt altogether.
Tatiana: Yes, I just want to finish questions about Egypt and then move on to your 40 years of leading the Jews.
17:04 Moses about his curators and the purpose of his incarnation.
Irina (Moses): My contacts – they were in any case not accidental, they were agreements with all the gods: with Horus, with Osiris, with Ra (with the Ra civilization), and with Yahweh. These are all my curators, with whom I, of course, agreed to communicate upon incarnation, because my goal was to create a new egregore. And for this egregore, for the spiritual development of the people in which I incarnated, it was impossible to do without agreements with other Spirits who were at different levels of density and even on another planet.
(Irina): It's like some kind of joint incarnation to create an egregore.
Tatiana: Yes, of course, I understand. Thank you for your answer.
17:56 About the symbol of the "Eye of Horus".
Tatiana: Tell me, please, I'll also ask about Egypt, about the symbol of the "Eye of Horus." As a priest, you surely know what it is, where it comes from, and what it means?
Irina (Moses): Since Horus was the patron of pharaohs, it was no accident that I was brought to his temple, as I already told. We all considered him, as it were, our father. And the Eye of Horus for the people, for the masses, meant that "Horus sees your actions everywhere and can report them to the pharaoh." It's like "the pharaoh is watching you."
Tatiana: I see. And tell me, please, did you meet with Horus, Osiris when you were there? Were they incarnated or not?
Irina (Moses): They were subtle-material civilizations.
Tatiana: I see. Thank you. Okay.
18:58 Why Moses did not become pharaoh.
Tatiana: Look, you tell about your 12 years, and then we already learn about 80 years when you led the Jews out of Egypt. And what happened between these ages? And why, in the end, did you not become pharaoh if the god Horus approved you?
Irina (Moses): Because I made that decision when I already needed to take power.
After Hatshepsut's father died, she became a ruler together with her nephew. This nephew was born later than me. And it so happened that the priests knew about my origin, and some of them, who initiated me into the mystery of Horus, said that I should become pharaoh. But there were also priests, as it were, their party, who were somewhat wary of my different blood. So they called a meeting and announced that yes, I would rule, but only with the help of a descendant from the lineage of pharaohs. That is, I would be his regent, something like that. He was younger than me. That is, they did not want a Jew to rule Egypt.
Tatiana: Foreign blood.
Irina (Moses): They suspected that I would start introducing other laws that would place Jews on an equal footing with Egyptians. Because I was told about my origin when I was still a child. No one hid anything. It was necessary for me to make an informed decision while I was still studying.
When I was already 25, I was trained to be a leader of warriors [military commander]. And while my adoptive mother ruled. That is, she managed everything there, and I had to carry out her assignments. And I was sent to southern Egypt to, together with a detachment of Egyptians, repel the raids of southern tribes (shows) the land of Nuba [Nubia]. And I was there for three years, then I galloped back to the capital on horseback and then only dealt with priestly affairs.
22:58 Moses about his participation in the construction of the pyramid.
Irina (Moses): And one of my assignments was to participate in the construction of the pyramid that was being built by Jewish slaves. I was one of... How to say it in your language? There were overseers, and I was their chief. And I was also the architect, that is, the one who created the model of this pyramid. I watched how it was built, to ensure everything was correct according to the pyramid's parameters: its height, length, width, and wall thickness, their material, so that everything was according to the ancient priestly codes.
Tatiana: There! Tell me, please, about the construction of the pyramid. If you built according to the canons, according to the transmitted blueprints, and there was a tradition, then what was your role as an architect? If you built from your head, heart, and information from above, then who gave you this information? How was it all?
Irina (Moses): Everything was already written. But the purpose of this pyramid we were building was precisely... Yes, they had already built two. And when it all happened, the third was already being built. And these pyramids were intended for embalming. For the embalming of the one who ruled, my adoptive mother (she herself commissioned me to build a pyramid for herself), and including for my own, because I was preparing to become pharaoh. Naturally, every pharaoh had to prepare a pyramid for himself. And I simply decided to do it in advance, while I still, so to speak, had time for it.
25:10 Moses about the call of his own blood.
Irina (Moses): I ordered the slaves to be brought. I knew, of course, that they were Jews. But when I saw how they were treated, I began, so to speak, to lower my vibrations. And this national self-awareness surged in me, as I felt myself one of them. I hadn't thought about it before. At that time, I was 40 years old, and I was soon about to assume my duties. In just two or three years, I could have begun my duties as pharaoh.
At that time, I was 40 years old, and I saw how the Jews were forced to work with the help of blows from special leather whips, how they beat them with these whips. At first, I didn't really pay much attention to it, but thoughts began to come to me that it was wrong, that they shouldn't treat people like that, the people from which the man who would soon become pharaoh originated.
Do you understand what I mean?
Tatiana: Yes, of course, I understand.
Irina (Moses): And I already, so to speak, felt like one of them.
Tatiana: Yes, for you it was like an insult to your greatness?
Irina (Moses): Yes. They perfectly understood that I would soon become pharaoh, and yet they behaved like that with my practically blood relatives.
I will explain now. At the time I lived, belonging to a people was understood differently than you understand it now. It was understood almost as a kinship relationship, not just as a people, but as a clan. In Russian, you even have the word "narod" (people), it consists of two parts – "na" and "rod" (clan). That is, it is a certain society of people above the clan, which includes individual clans or families. You even have such a word in Russian. We felt that way, that every representative of the people is like a relative. See, the word "narod" and "rodstvennik" (relative) also share the same root.
Tatiana: Yes.
Irina (Moses): And this is also no accident. All these words you use now were formed back in that distant time. Three and a half thousand years ago, these words were already in use.
28:36 Moses about his reaction to the punishment of a slave.
Irina (Moses): And I saw again how one of the overseers, a very cruel man named Paliy (I had noticed him long ago: there were kinder overseers, and there were crueler ones) continues to whip an elderly Jew. He was about 60, it was clear that in the heat he was exhausted while carrying bricks. The bricks are not like yours now, they were made of sandstone, and he carried them on such wooden trays. And he was not alone there, but as part of a team: him and the others, there were four of them. And these trays were like stretchers, held by the handles and carried.
Accordingly, they wanted to meet their quota, because only for meeting the quota were they given food and water. And there was a fairly large number of bricks for these builders. After all, they were also distributed there: some did one thing, others did another, depending on what the foremen decided. And these three others carrying the bricks with him (since the stretchers were carried by four) were younger and had loaded many bricks. They wanted to meet their quota faster. And he was placed with them for some reason, and he was clearly falling behind. And they were literally running with the stretchers in the heat.
And water would only be given after a certain time. And it was already clear that he was suffocating, fell to his knees, and because of him, they couldn't carry it anymore. They stopped with him, and even (shows) several bricks fell off the stretcher. They leaned over him and tried to lift him up, before the overseer saw. But this man was kneeling, clutching his heart, breathing heavily. He already had (shows) a beard and gray hair, meaning he was already elderly.
At first, I glanced at this scene with an indifferent look: I had seen it many times. And suddenly I saw this Paliy approaching this group of people. Such a tall young man, he was about 30 then, with a whip in his hand. And when he approached, I heard curses, how he started swearing at them. And I saw how he began to beat this man, struck several times with the whip. And my gaze lingered on them, waiting for the slave to get up. Stripes appeared on his back because this leather strap was tearing off the skin. But the old man did not get up, but fell on his side and began to writhe, shielding himself from the blows.
And then I saw this overseer throw down the whip and start kicking him, punching him, continuing to swear. And when he (shows) lifted him by the neck and smashed his head against these bricks, my blood literally rushed to my head. I thought: "What is he doing?!" I ran out of my building (there was a building nearby from which he had been watching from the window) and ran up, I said: "Paliy, stop immediately, cease! What are you doing? You'll kill him!" He looked at me and left the man. But he started yelling at me, saying that I had no right to order him, that I was as much a Jew as they were, and that it didn't matter whether he killed him or not, because there were plenty of such slaves, but he wouldn't allow them to behave like that.
Let me remind you, I was already practically a pharaoh in my own eyes!
Tatiana: You were Paliy's boss, as I understood.
Irina (Moses): Yes, but he said that I should not interfere in his process of punishment. He considered that my job was simply to ensure they built correctly, not how the slaves worked. That is, he considered that I had intruded into his duties. And he said: "This is my job!" But he said it rudely and shouted that I was defending him because I myself was a Jew.
34:06 The murder of Paliy.
Tatiana: Did you kill him?
Irina (Moses): Yes, it was him I killed.
It happened that I approached him and told him to shut up. And he said: "You are not yet pharaoh to command me!" And I saw that others had stopped and were listening to this argument. I said: "Shut up immediately, or I will make you do it!" He replied: "We'll see if you become pharaoh! Our people will overthrow you, because you are as much a Jew as this one I was beating." I am just translating this into Russian, but it was said in the form of curses.
(Irina): Yes, he just told me how he called his mother.
Tatiana: I understand, yes.
Irina (Moses): But it was clear that this Paliy, he was a bit out of his mind, that is, he himself was speaking in great emotion. And perhaps he would have regretted what he said, because he was a person who easily fell into rage. Have you probably seen people who can say anything they want to their boss, regardless of the consequences?
Tatiana: Well, yes.
Irina (Moses): He was such a rude, cruel man. But then rage struck my head, and I saw the rest as if from the outside, as if such a change of consciousness. I stepped towards him and punched him in the face (shows how he starts beating him).
And we start fighting. And in this fight, I said: "Well, now you will feel what that old man felt." I grabbed him by the neck and also started smashing his head against these bricks. A couple of blows – and he relaxed, went limp. I realized he had lost consciousness. I turned him over on his back, he had blood on his head. I looked like this. As a priest, I was taught medicine, including embalming. I pushed back his hair and saw that there was a long scratch from that sandstone, from which blood was flowing. I quickly felt its edges and realized I had fractured his skull.
37:08 Moses about the reasons for his flight.
Irina (Moses): I looked around, as I realized he wouldn't come to. Two minutes was enough for me to confirm this. And according to the laws of Egypt, one who intentionally killed a person (in a fight, it would be considered intentional), not only could not become pharaoh, he was generally sent to trial. And he could very easily be executed for it. Even if he was a future pharaoh. Especially if he was a future pharaoh, because great demands were placed on them. And it wouldn't have mattered that I stood up for that slave, because I had no right to intercede in that way, to endanger the overseer's life because of a slave. He was free.
The only thing I could do at that time was to report it. We had what I wouldn't call a police, but rather people who maintained order. It was a special kind of priests, like a secret police. They were also spies.
Tatiana: Informers.
Irina (Moses): I could have reported it, and he would have been taken to trial too, if he had broken the laws of Egypt. We had judges. But I shouldn't have acted that way myself. And I decided to flee. And I first went to the Jews. Because all the Jews sympathized with me for killing this Egyptian, because they saw that I had stood up for their old man. And I went to them and lived with them for several days.
I had already been announced as wanted, but I hid with them in some hut (shows). They lived in their own settlements, not near the Egyptian settlements. But then I saw two Jews fighting. I started to calm them down, and one of them says to me: "Why are you interfering? Are you going to kill me, like you killed the Egyptian?" I realized that everyone already knew about this act, rumors had spread, and that I could be handed over to this police at any moment. And then I decided to flee to another country that night.
So much for being pharaoh? They started looking for me, and I could never become pharaoh now.
Tatiana: Of course.
40:13 About the fate of Moses' pyramid.
Tatiana: And what happened to your pyramid? Was it dismantled for materials, or what?
Irina (Moses): No, it wasn't dismantled, it was completed later. After we left Egypt. I know that it was completed and that some advisor to the priests was buried there (shows). Not only pharaohs were buried there, but also close associates.
Tatiana: Well, yes.
40:45 Moses about his marital status and marriage.
Tatiana: Tell me, how did it happen that you weren't married until you were 40, or were you already married?
Irina (Moses): No.
Tatiana: Tell me, how did it generally look: you are the heir to the throne, and they didn't marry you off until you were 40? Why? How did that look in Egypt?
Irina (Moses): There was no suitable candidate then for me to enter into marriage. Since I was already the heir to the throne, I could not just marry anyone I liked. I could only marry a representative, so to speak, of the elite.
Tatiana: Well, of course.
Irina (Moses): Yes, a representative of the elite, but we had to have mutual sympathy, it wasn't forced. And I didn't find any such girls from that environment with whom I could have close relationships. But I already said that I was mainly busy with work and these military actions. That is, I could postpone my marriage for any period. No one looked at that judgmentally.
Tatiana: I ask because you got married in exile, in a foreign country, right?
Irina (Moses): But there it was already simpler. I was no longer the heir to the throne.
Tatiana: Well, yes, of course.
42:14 Moses about the peoples who were enslaved in Egypt.
Tatiana: And tell me, please, were only Jews enslaved in Egypt, or various nationalities?
Irina (Moses): There were various nationalities. There were those I already mentioned, from the country of Nuba [Nubia], there were from Syria, Assyrians, there were Arab tribes (there were many tribes there, not only Arabs, that is, some Arab tribes). Egypt was a fairly strong state, which often went on military campaigns and annexed the territories of weaker countries, capturing many slaves and royal treasures of other peoples.
Tatiana: Thank you.
43:06 Moses' flight from Egypt and meeting with a caravan.
Tatiana: Okay, so you left, how many days did you walk? Or did you ride? How did you flee the country?
Irina (Moses): I walked. Then I met a caravan and helped them – showed them the way to an oasis (shows how he walked through the desert). Showed the way to an oasis where there was a small lake. They were travelers, and I showed them the way to drink water and water their camels and horses (there were also horses). And they took me with them into the caravan, and I traveled the rest of the way with them.
Tatiana: So it was a long, difficult journey?
Irina (Moses): Yes. And they specifically showed me... I told them that I needed to find refuge from Egypt, because I had quarreled with the Egyptians, with the priests in Egypt. I needed a place where I could live safely. And they suggested where to go.
(Irina): Shows how the caravan goes further, and he turns aside. They gave him some food and water. And after three days of travel, he sees some settlement.
44:34 Moses about his life in the settlement, activities, wife, and children.
Irina (Moses): And I entered there, gave the name of one caravan leader whom they knew well there. And in this way they accepted me, and I began to live with them.
Tatiana: You really herded flocks there, right?
Irina (Moses): That was later. First, I was an assistant to a priest there as well. As I already said, I was a priest, an initiate, that is, a person who can communicate with Spirits. And there, among these people, I met their high priest. They simply had their own gods, quite a few. They were nature Spirits whom they worshipped – Spirits of nature: of the desert, air, fire, like that. And I showed him how to communicate correctly, how to conduct rituals, treat various diseases with the help of these civilizations they deified. And he was absolutely delighted, because he didn't know that. And he immediately made me, so to speak, his assistant.
Tatiana: And what happened that you stopped doing that and started herding cattle?
Irina (Moses): I continued doing that. And herding cattle was rather my hobby. I relaxed that way because I loved animals and loved, so to speak, long walks. But I started doing this when I was already over 70. I already had a wife, two sons. They were already adults. Although I was doing well materially. Priests lived well then, because many people brought their sacrifices to the gods. And, of course, according to the rules, written by ourselves, we took part of these sacrifices for ourselves.
What kind of cattle did I herd? Not someone else's, but my own.
Tatiana: Ah, that's it! It's just not indicated in the book, which is why I ask these questions.
47:01 Moses' first contact with Yahweh.
Tatiana: Did the first contact with Yahweh really look like: "a thorn bush, fire in the thorn bush," or is it embellished in the book?
Irina (Moses): Yes, indeed, I saw one of the bushes burning. But I thought it was a fire from afar. But actually, when I came closer, I saw just some kind of fiery ball, inside which was the bush, and there was no flame. It looked like ball lightning, which shone brightly, radiating heat like the sun, but not a single leaf was damaged.
Tatiana: And what was it really?
Irina (Moses): I was already (shows) 79 years old.
(Irina): He shows a fairly sprightly old man running with a staff.
(Moses): And suddenly I heard a voice in the air, coming from nowhere, as it were: "Take off your sandals, for the land on which you stand is holy ground." I looked around, but saw no one. Moreover, this bush continued to burn, without being consumed, without flame. And I realized that this was another, as yet unknown god, deciding to contact me. Because I knew that contacts can begin in the most unusual ways.
Tatiana: That's how they attracted your attention?
Irina (Moses): Yes. The fact is that gods were often very sophisticated in instilling sacred awe in a person.
Tatiana: And you were probably already a grandfather?
Irina (Moses): Yes.
Tatiana: You already had grandchildren then?
Irina (Moses): Yes, from these two sons.
Tatiana: Yes, yes, yes. And Yahweh told you to return to Egypt?
Irina (Moses): I did as He told me...
I took off my sandals and waited for further words, what He would tell me next. He introduced Himself, said: "I am Yahweh." And when He said that, I immediately understood who He was talking about, because He was the God of my ancestors.
Tatiana: So your ancestors told you about the one God, yes? How did that look for you?
Irina (Moses): When I still lived in Egypt, I also communicated with the Jews, and they naturally told me about their gods, and therefore about mine. I knew where I came from.
50:12 Moses about his biological parents.
Tatiana: Did you know your real biological father?
Irina (Moses): When I became an adult, when I was 20, my adoptive mother herself introduced me to them. She showed me both my mother and father, and we communicated with them. She did not hinder it, because she believed that clan is a sacred concept, and that tearing a person away from his clan and not giving him the opportunity to even thank his parents is a great sin.
Tatiana: You were very lucky with your adoptive mother, it seems.
Irina (Moses): They had different concepts then, that children should know their parents. But why exactly at 20? Because I was already ready for that news.
Tatiana: Okay.
51:05 Moses about his meeting with Yahweh.
Tatiana: Did Yahweh tell you directly in the first contact: "Return to Egypt!" How was that?
Irina (Moses): He first introduced Himself, and when He said His name, I understood who it was. I already knew about Abraham, about his sons, grandchildren, about Joseph, of course. Legends circulated about Joseph. He also built pyramids, and was, as you know, the second person after the pharaoh. That is, everyone knew about him – both Egyptians and Jews. Accordingly, he was even embalmed like a pharaoh and placed in one of the pyramids. True, I took his remains with me according to his will when I left.
So, I understood who was before me. That this is the God who created the world. Because that's how it was transmitted. For me, He was the Creator God, the Maker. I knew that He could appear in different forms, including in the form of a large, tall man, resembling humans, but much taller. But I want to say that I did not perceive him as an alien.
Tatiana: Of course.
Irina (Moses): I perceived him simply as a Spirit who temporarily took on a body form to communicate with people in a more understandable way.
52:45 Moses about contacts with aliens at that time.
Tatiana: Tell me, were contacts with aliens common at the time you lived? Did you see that, meet them already?
Irina (Moses): Of course, I saw many times various "heavenly chariots," as we called them, arriving in Egypt, carrying gods. We even had a song: "A heavenly chariot flies, crossing the sky like an earthly boat crosses the Nile."
Tatiana: How lovely!
Irina: How do you like that song?
Tatiana: Great! Could we ask Moses to hum it for you?
Irina: It was rhythmic in their language. Well, how is it? Interesting?
Tatiana: Yes, quite.
Tell me, Moyshe, how did you – by inner feeling, or simply because the information you had coincided with how this god introduced himself – determine that he was not an alien, but an incarnated God, when there were many aliens?
Irina (Moses): We didn't have the concept of aliens. We considered them gods.
Tatiana: Ah, all of them.
Irina (Moses): Yes. We had no concept of different planets at all. We believed that planets and stars were also visible manifestations of gods.
Tatiana: Well, okay.
54:16 Yahweh's command to Moses to return to Egypt.
Tatiana: And after the introduction, what did Yahweh tell? I'm trying to ask, how quickly did He send you back to Egypt? How did He explain that you needed to return to Egypt?
Irina (Moses): In the very first contact, He told me that I had a mission – I needed to lead the people out of slavery. I talked with Him, asked. I was not a simple person without priestly initiation; such a person would have fallen prostrate and been afraid to say a word. But I thanked Yahweh for such trust and told Him that I had also been thinking about freeing the people, but I didn't understand how it was possible.
I laid out my doubts to Him, because there, the slaves are guarded by, so to speak, an entire army of Pharaoh. And he laid out a plan for me, according to which I would show Pharaoh some, so to speak, miracles or tricks, which would not be mere sleight of hand but would be accompanied by certain real phenomena. This is what you know as the "10 plagues of Egypt."
To produce them, Yahweh and I agreed that I would, for example, use my staff in a certain way, the stick given to me by one of the gods during a physical contact. Only later did I learn that several devices were built into this simple-looking stick, with which I could manipulate matter, for example, and even slow down the perception of time.
Tatiana: I wanted to ask about that separately, but later. And you went, traveled back?
Irina (Moses): Plus, Yahweh also told me to negotiate to get help in leading the people out of Egypt, help in convincing Pharaoh to do it. And by the time I was 79, Hatshepsut, whom I knew well, had left incarnation.
And I, by the way, knew that she had left incarnation because she came to me already in a spiritual body, and we talked. She said that I ran away in vain then, said that she would have protected me, and that she was very worried about my escape, thinking I had died somewhere in the desert. And she was very happy when she saw that I was still in incarnation. She loved me like a son.
I spoke with her and learned that now the ruler there was the one who was her nephew.
Tatiana: That's why you were called the cousin of the pharaoh, because he was your adoptive mother's nephew.
Irina (Moses): His name was Thutmose.
57:47 Moses' return to Egypt. Yahweh's promise to protect him.
Tatiana: Tell me, please, what about the statute of limitations for your crime? It was a crime, the murder of a person. You were returning to a country where you were wanted. Had enough time passed for it to be annulled?
Irina (Moses): I didn't think about it, because even my proposal to lead the Jews out of Egypt was already a crime, in fact. Whether they would remember the old or not, I didn't care, because I went to the family where my parents were. They had already left incarnation, but my brother and sister remained. Accordingly, I went there, and we first started discussing how best to do all this.
But when I told Yahweh that it might not work out, and that I might be taken out of incarnation: either killed immediately, or imprisoned and finally killed. He said He would protect me, and that He would help me show such phenomena that Pharaoh would be afraid to touch me. It would be a kind of magic.
59:10 Regarding Pharaoh's attitude to Moses' return.
Tatiana: How did Thutmose generally react to your return? Before you said that you would now take all the slaves.
Irina (Moses): How did he react to my return?
Tatiana: Did you visit him, did you greet him, or did you not visit him and not greet him?
Irina (Moses): I didn't return to him first, but to my own house.
Tatiana: But then, you probably interacted with him somehow, or did you come straight with an ultimatum?
Irina (Moses): I first spoke with the people, found out if they wanted to leave at all. About two months passed before I went to Pharaoh.
Tatiana: And no one reported that you had returned to the country?
Irina (Moses): I don't think so. First, I had changed a lot in appearance.
Tatiana: That's also true.
Irina (Moses): And people with my name... It was a fairly common name.
I want to say that at the time I fled, they were looking for me, but since 40 years had passed, as far as I heard through rumors, they considered me dead. Just as my adoptive mother Hatshepsut told me. They considered me dead, and therefore no one asked whether it was me or not.
Tatiana: I understand, thank you.
1:00:49 About the writing and authorship of the book of Exodus.
Tatiana: And tell me, please, I want to ask: the book of "Exodus" and the others of the Pentateuch – did you write them, were they written in your presence, or were they retold later?
Irina (Moses):: Partly I wrote, partly Jews and Levites from the tribe of Levi, my tribe, wrote.
Tatiana: So it's not embellished, it's a reportage record, yes?
Irina (Moses): I wrote some things, some things were written from my words, so to speak, by my students.
Tatiana: I ask because very often when something is recorded, a legend is created. To make it more beautiful, weightier, more fundamental, so to speak. Did you record what was real, or were you already creating a legend?
Irina (Moses): We recorded what was real, but as we perceived it.
Tatiana: That is, of course, so.
1:01:55 Moses on the meaning of the law of circumcision. Interpretation of a biblical episode.
Tatiana: I want to ask about the first case of circumcision. It's described rather strangely, in my personal opinion. I even noted it somewhere. It is written that when you were returning to Egypt, "on the way at a lodging place, the Lord met him and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off the foreskin of her son, and threw it..." [Old Testament, Exodus, vs. 24-25] I mean, what kind of typical mother is that?! First, the very fact that the Lord met and tried to kill is rather strange.
Irina (Moses): That's not about me there.
Tatiana: No. This is when you were returning to Egypt, it's written that such a story happened.
Irina (Moses): I circumcised myself.
Tatiana: Yourself? This is about your son, who was already quite grown, actually, not an infant, as I understand it.
Irina (Moses): I will say this: what was written is according to Zipporah's perception. She simply saw some entity approaching my son, which seemed to her to be Yahweh. And she rushed to her son, but it started choking him. The fact is that he had indeed attracted a negative entity because at that time he was in a quarrel with his wife. His mother, my wife, perceived it as Yahweh wanting to kill him because he wasn't circumcised. You know that the law of circumcision was given by Abraham?
Tatiana: Yes.
Irina (Moses): That was, by the way, my previous incarnation. Accordingly, I also knew that everyone should be circumcised. And my son, he was married to a girl from another people. And she convinced him not to do it, that it didn't matter. The fact is that when he was born from me, we did not have the conditions in the people we lived with to properly perform the circumcision. It had to be done by, so to speak, specially trained people, and I was not trained in this at that time. I received this knowledge later, after the contact with Yahweh. And later I circumcised myself, but my son was already an adult.
And it so happened that she decided to circumcise him while he slept, to save his life. Although it was not Yahweh.
Tatiana: But why a stone knife specifically? It seems like a sacred book, it seems like every word matters. Why specifically stone?
(To be continued)
September 3, 2024
Conference participants:
Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, with subtle-material civilizations, and with the Spiritual World;
Tatiana Skryglevetskaya – spiritual psychologist, zoopsychologist, universal contactee, master of Spiritual Heart activation and working with addictions;
Prophet Moses (Archangel Uriel) – prophet who led the Jews out of Egypt, author of the Pentateuch, or Torah.
Link: https://blog.cassiopeia.center/prorok-moisej-tradicii-evrejskogo-naroda-kovcheg
Cassiopeia #703 PROPHET MOSES. Traditions of the Jewish people. The Ark of the Covenant, the Ten Commandments. Judaism. Part 2
0:00 Start of video.
00:20 Conference excerpt.
"...There was even a small crystal built in that could act as a teleporter over short distances..."
"...The mother's organism itself produces substances needed by her child..."
"...When Yahweh approached them with this proposal, they said: 'Why should we? Let them pay for their protection!' ..."
"...in any meat, in any corpse, cells die. When you eat meat, you eat the dead state of matter..."
01:11 Moses on the meaning of circumcision in the Jewish egregore.
Tatiana: But why a stone knife specifically? It seems like a sacred book, it seems like every word matters. Why specifically stone?
Irina (Moses): Yes, made of flint, we had such. They are, by the way, very sharp.
Tatiana: So it's just a chronological record without any separate subtext?
Irina (Moses): Yes. Only it implies that she saw Yahweh, but in fact she saw a different entity.
Tatiana: I see. And tell me, please: it's clear that if the Lord said it, you can't argue, but what do you think, why is circumcision needed? Why was this tradition introduced?
Irina (Moses): To enter the egregore of Judaism.
Tatiana: That is, a personal sacrifice?
Irina (Moses): It is an energetic payment for being granted access to the energies of the egregore of the entire people.
Tatiana: I see, yes. Thank you. Okay.
And tell me, please, you are talking about bricks made of sandstone, but in the book of "Exodus" it's directly written that when the Jews began to grumble, Pharaoh, apparently to occupy them with harder labor, forbade giving them straw, but demanded that they still meet the quota of bricks. What is written about here?
Irina (Moses): Those were different, completely different bricks used for buildings. And we were building a pyramid, slightly different materials were used there.
Tatiana: I see, yes. Absolutely clear. Thank you.
02:49 Moses on the reasons for the "plagues of Egypt".
Tatiana: I want to ask about the "plagues of Egypt." So, you simply had devices in your staff that worked with energies and materials, changing their properties?
Irina (Moses): Yes, there were. There was even a small crystal built in that could act as a teleporter over short distances.
Tatiana: Wow! Very cool!
Irina (Moses): But not for people, for objects and animals.
Tatiana: Tell me, did you enjoy initiating these plagues of Egypt?
Irina (Moses): No.
Tatiana: Or was it just emotionless work?
Irina (Moses): No. I did not enjoy it. I felt anger, so to speak, because Pharaoh constantly deceived me. This Thutmose.
I went to him with my brother Aaron, and we said together: "Let my people go to worship God!" He, of course, said "no." And we began to force him to do it through intimidation – we began to threaten that we would destroy Egypt if he didn't. Why he didn't want to, I also understand: he didn't want to lose slaves, many people, men, women, and children. And I want to say that the slaves, not only Jews, but slaves in general, built a lot of things for them.
Tatiana: Of course, free labor!
Tell me, please, the Torah describes a rather long and cruel process that affected not only the pharaohs, not only the overseers, but, in general, all the inhabitants of that area. If the rivers turn to blood, and fish float up and rot, then everyone there gets sick. If locusts come and devour the crops, then the lower classes are the first to die and suffer.
No complaints, none! I understand that it is a long, constructed design. I am interested in how you lived inside all this. It manifested through you.
Irina (Moses): Yes. But they, the Egyptians, were indifferent to the fact that the Jews were slaves.
Tatiana: So it was just work? Well, of course, yes.
Irina (Moses): They were indifferent to the fact that they could beat the Jews to death, as I already said, that they worked for them. They didn't consider us equal at all.
Tatiana: I understand.
Irina (Moses): Therefore, they attracted such karma to themselves. It's natural.
05:42 Moses about the property of the Jews before the exodus.
Tatiana: And therefore, it seems, it is repeated twice or three times in the text that the women had to ask their neighbors for jewelry and clothing before the exodus. So this was considered as payment for work, perceived that way? Because both you and they knew that you were leaving, would not return, would not give anything back to those you asked.
Irina (Moses): We had to build our own state. And how would we do that if we had nothing? Of course, I believed, and Aaron believed, that over 400 years, the Jews had earned much more from the Egyptians.
Tatiana: Tell me, and the cattle? You took herds as well, I understand?
Irina (Moses): Those were already ours. The fact is that the families of Jews who were slaves were allowed to save some money and buy animals for themselves, and also breed them.
Tatiana: I see.
Irina (Moses):: In their free time from work. But often it was that the men worked, while the women stayed home, doing housework. So there was cattle. Not very much, the Egyptians also had it, but the Jews also had it. Cattle were kept, among other things, for food, for example, milk and cheese. Accordingly, not everyone had it, but many did.
07:24 Moses on the prohibition of mixing milk and meat.
Tatiana: Here, by the way, tell me, please, how do you perceive the classic prohibition against boiling a young goat in its mother's milk? What is this about? Why is that? What is it for?
Irina (Moses): I perceive it as...
(Irina): Well, okay, interesting answer!
(Moses): The milk of every animal and human is intended for life.
Tatiana: Yes.
Irina (Moses): And the milk of each mother is not the same as another's, but individually tailored to the child. The mother's body itself produces the substances needed by her child. The body senses, through contact with the child, what it lacks. So if you analyze the milk of different cows or goats, or those same women who are breastfeeding, you will see that its composition differs in macroelements, etc.
And milk itself is intended to give life. And if you take goat's milk and put meat into it, that is, the corpse of her child, then the substances in the milk and those in the meat will, on an energetic level, cause a struggle between themselves.
Tatiana: Well, yes, multidirectional energies, multidirectional intent.
Irina (Moses): Yes. This is already the energy of death, because in any meat, in any corpse, cells die. When you eat meat, you eat the dead state of matter. And milk is intended to enliven it. But that's understandable. You wouldn't eat a live animal, would you? Therefore, as soon as the animal is slaughtered, blood is drained from it (we drained the blood, there was no more metabolism), the cells in the meat, in the muscles, begin to die, that is, lose their life force. It is already dead flesh.
Naturally, it retains all the substances. It's clear that it contains all the substances the animal accumulated during its life, and they pass into the person who eats the meat, becoming part of their body. And if you boil it, that is, heat it, impart energy to this milk, as I already said, together with the meat of the young that was supposed to be nourished by this milk, it creates an energy conflict that could destroy the etheric matrices of human organs.
Why specifically the mother? Because such a custom existed among the surrounding peoples. When we walked through the desert, we passed through different cities and settlements, and there were different customs. And there was, among others, the custom of boiling a young in its mother's milk, as a sacrifice to the gods. And so that the Jews would not repeat this, Yahweh gave this commandment.
Tatiana: Understood, thank you. It's just that now Jews take this absolutely literally, that milk, dairy products, and meat products cannot be mixed in one meal.
Irina (Moses): That's not what was said.
Tatiana: That's roughly what I'm asking about. Understood.
Irina (Moses): If that were meant, Yahweh would have said: "Do not eat meat with dairy!" He wouldn't have said anything about the prohibition of boiling.
Tatiana: Yes, it's very specific there, of course.
12:00 Moses on the symbol of the prohibition of leavened dough at Passover.
Tatiana: And tell me, please: the law speaks a lot about sacrifices, about burnt offerings, everything is spelled out in detail. Tell me, please, firstly, about leaven. Why is leaven removed from the house during Passover? And why can only unleavened dough be eaten? What do you think is the reason for this?
Irina (Moses): The reason is that Passover is established precisely as a sign of remembrance of our exodus from Egypt. And leaven (yeast dough) is removed from the house at this moment as a sign that on the night of the exodus from Egypt, no dough would have had time to rise.
Tatiana: So they simply wouldn't take it with them.
Irina (Moses): Yes.
13:01 Moses about sacrifices, their types.
Tatiana: And again, sacrifices are very regulated, and there are many of them. And these are sacrifices! There is some bread, of course, but mainly it's the killing of livestock and birds. Livestock primarily. Many animals each day.
Irina (Moses): There were many types of sacrifices, including oil, including flour, olive oil, and wine.
Tatiana: Yes, but many are described in detail, for example, how to sacrifice an ox.
Irina (Moses): Yes, such sacrifices also existed.
Tatiana: And all the blood belongs to the Lord: "Give it to the Lord." What do you think, why was such a quantity, described in such detail, needed? And why burn it all, not eat it later, but simply burn it?
Irina (Moses): There was a burnt offering, where everything needed to be burned. There was, for example, a sin offering, where certain parts needed to be given to the Levites.
(Irina): Shows that there were different types of sacrifices, and one had to treat the animal carcasses differently. Do you mean why were sacrifices needed at all?
Tatiana: I mean, okay, sacrifices might have been important for the people of that time, so that they would give away their most important material goods. But it's all burned, that is, not used at all!
14:36 Yahweh's contract with the Nature Spirits, about sacrifice.
Irina (Moses): Yahweh had a contract with the Nature Spirits of the area where we walked for 40 years. There was such a contract that they would protect us. That they would protect us from various sandstorms, from hunger, and so on, that they would lead us to water sources in time, and no one would die of thirst, that no one would get lost or perish. That is, the Nature Spirits were supposed to guard us. When Yahweh approached them with this proposal, they said: "Why should we? Let them pay for their protection!"
Yahweh agreed with them that we would offer sacrifices in His honor, because we were not to have other gods, so that we would not return to polytheism. The egregore was to be structured as a single faith, that is, so that everyone would think there is one God and no other gods. To avoid priestly rivalry, competition between different gods, as this would weaken the egregore.
The entire people of Israel, naturally, thought they were offering sacrifice to Yahweh. It was forbidden to worship other gods and Nature Spirits, so that all energy would go into the egregore dedicated specifically to Yahweh. You know that when everyone prays, worships a certain image, a phantom of it is formed in the egregore. And so that all energy would gather and concentrate into this phantom, around it. Because the more this energy, the stronger the egregore becomes, and the more it can protect and fill its followers with energy.
Accordingly, we offered sacrifices to Yahweh, but according to the agreement with the Nature Spirits, of the area, and even with the Spirits of all the elements. There are Spirits of air, Spirits of fire, earth, water – all that exist in the desert. We were very, very close to nature, of course, but there were also Spirits of those localities, cities, villages, rivers, mountains, where we all walked. For example, the Spirit of Mount Sinai also followed us.
Accordingly, when we offered sacrifices according to the agreement with Yahweh, it was they who flew to this energy, and it was they who absorbed the ethereal force, the ethereal energies that emanated from the bodies of the killed animals. Then the ritual itself took place, the action of the ritual, for example, for the purification of sins, that is, of those blocks that led to sins.
These energetic actions of the ritual itself after the sacrifice, for which it was performed, were partly performed by the Nature Spirits, and partly by Yahweh Himself in astral space. He was, so to speak, a very good astral traveler in the Astral. And all forces helped Him partly: Spirits and aliens from different planets, and there were also Angels with Him, that is, unincarnated Spirits who also participated in these rituals.
Tatiana: Thank you.
Irina: So there is a whole "mixed bag" there!
Tatiana: Well, of course, a whole retinue.
Tell me, how did you arrange the death of the firstborn?
Irina: Yes, okay.
18:35 The "Plagues of Egypt," their causes.
Irina (Moses): Let me briefly tell you about all the plagues, how it all became possible. You know well how the plagues started?
Tatiana: I don't remember the sequence anymore.
Irina: Let's remind people, it is in the book of "Exodus." The plagues started because Pharaoh refused to let the people go into the desert. And Moses and Aaron wanted to lead everyone away. And all the Jews had already agreed, that is, everyone had already come to an agreement. Moses had previously agreed with them, said: "I will lead you out." What if they didn't want to go, what if they liked living there?
19:13 Number of Jews who left Egypt, their mode of transport.
Tatiana: So there were, it turns out, a couple of million people, yes? Judging by the census.
Irina (Moses): No, not a couple of million, less. About five hundred thousand.
Tatiana: But in the desert, when you did a census of the male population, it came out to more than a million men alone.
Irina: Shows that it was less. At least, he tells me now that it was less.
(Moses): Yes, it was still a lot of people. Accordingly, there were not only men, but also women, children, and cattle, as well as belongings that needed to be taken out. We transported them on such... (like some kind of carts).
Tatiana: So you didn't walk all the way?
Irina: There were carts pulled by animals, and there were some that I wouldn't call carriages, much simpler, like a chariot with windows, where mostly children sat, as they couldn't walk for long. And they carry all sorts of baskets of food (he shows me now).
Tatiana: But they carried everything they owned with them, of course, where would they get it in the desert?
Irina: One (I see now) is walking, and she has baskets, she carries them on a yoke, and she has some cheese in her basket. Interesting!
22:45 About the "Plagues of Egypt," their meaning and significance.
Irina: Yes, how did the plagues start? Why are they called that at all?
(Moses): The fact is that the word "plagues" is how it was translated into Russian. There is simply a word used that can be translated as "admonitions." Ten admonitions. It is not a plague as a cruel act, it is simply an act of Yahweh, helped, by the way, by the Nature Spirits. He also made agreements with them, for example, to bring certain insects, to create a high density of some animals or insects in that area. And all this was also coordinated with the Spirits of the area.
This was precisely to avoid casualties among the Egyptians, to avoid having to fight them, and so that they would let us go themselves. Because Yahweh, He did not want to use, so to speak, the weapons of his world to take even one earthling out of incarnation. Naturally, He was not against us fighting for our freedom ourselves, but we had no weapons at all. We were just slaves. And what would we fight with – sticks against swords? And so they decided to achieve the goal with such methods.
We also agreed with Yahweh. I, Aaron, and Yahweh, we created a plan to frighten Pharaoh with these phenomena. And if that didn't work, then we would bring certain admonitions upon the entire people so that the people would become indignant and force Pharaoh to drive us out.
Do you understand what I mean?
Tatiana: Yes. In the book, it's all written with completely different intonations.
22:46 About Yahweh's capabilities. Duration of the "Plagues of Egypt".
Irina (Moses): Imagine that Yahweh could have deployed gas that would have wiped everyone out there, they would have been like dead.
Tatiana: He could have simply nullified everything. Of course.
Irina (Moses): He could have burned everything with a laser beam: this palace, the pharaoh together with his army. And the common Egyptians would have been frightened and sent us away themselves. But He did not want to take anyone out of incarnation with His weapon. So He decided to act with, so to speak, more subtle methods.
And it took quite a long time: from the moment we started doing all this until the exodus from Egypt, perhaps about four months passed. That is, it wasn't immediate, it didn't happen in 10 days. It lasted months, these 4 months.
23:50 About the first plague of Egypt, and what preceded it.
Irina (Moses): And the first plague was, as written in the book of "Exodus," that the water turned to blood. And not only in the Nile, but in all the wells.
As you can read there, Yahweh told me to first warn Pharaoh that if he didn't let us go, this would happen. I met him when he was going to the river. I knew his path, the way, and stood by the water. He approached the shore with his guards. I stood (shows an old man of about 80 with a white beard) with my staff, which had the aforementioned devices built in, but it looked like a staff.
Before that, we had already spoken, and I pressed a certain knot on this staff, under which was a button, and snakes appeared before Pharaoh. It wasn't that the staff itself turned into snakes, I teleported them. How was this possible? Because the teleporter worked that way, and in a chamber that was in Yahweh's ship, these snakes had already been prepared.
(Irina): Well, how do you like that?
Tatiana: Great! Were these local snakes or all kinds of options?
Irina (Moses): No, local venomous snakes, which were temporarily immobilized (shows some kind of paralyzing field, something like that). And when they came out of the chamber, they came to life and started crawling everywhere.
But Pharaoh's priests, who practiced magic, did not do the same thing, they simply... You know that skill? Pharaoh trusted them so much that they put him under an illusion that they succeeded too – it was like hypnosis. I didn't see any snakes from them, but he saw – it was some kind of hallucination.
Tatiana: I see: induced influence.
Irina (Moses): And I did it with the staff.
Tatiana: Did you remove them also with the staff?
Irina (Moses): No, I didn't remove them. They crawled around the hall, and then the priests themselves caught them. One of them later came up to me and said... I struck (shows) the floor with this staff, and they appeared. But the priests perceived it as magic, and they even came up to me later (shows how he stands near the palace, and priests approach him).
They came and said: "Share this magic, the secret." That is, they did not perceive that Yahweh did it, they thought: "How did that happen? That he somehow catches them real?" "How did you move them?" – those were the questions. I answered them that Yahweh did it. They were not surprised, they just said: "Yes, that is a powerful God. But ours also has power." That is, they knew about the existence of gods of other peoples.
27:35 The first plague: water turns to blood.
Irina (Moses): So, I am standing with this staff by the river after those snakes. And when Pharaoh approached, his guards, who had also heard about me, simply stepped aside because I was already considered a sorcerer, a magician. And I said: "If you do not let my people go, I will strike the river with my staff, and it will turn to blood." He just smirked. And then I struck the river with my staff, pressed the button, this knot, and billions of colonies of special microscopic algae were moved there.
Of course, nothing happened immediately. Pharaoh smirked and said: "Well, there you go, nothing happened. The water is as it was." I said: "God is giving you time for admonition, several days. That's why the water wasn't turned to blood immediately." He said: "Yeah, right, of course. Tell me another one!"
Then, literally on the third day, it was impossible to drink from the river.
Tatiana: They multiplied, yes?
Irina (Moses): The fact is that when they multiply, they release poison into the water, it penetrates the fish living there, and they die. And there were quite a lot of fish, and they all floated up. In the heat, they naturally began to decompose, and it was impossible to approach the river within 200 meters without holding your nose.
(Irina): How do you like that miracle?
Tatiana: Our scientists can explain that miracle. They say that a colony of microscopic organisms multiplied in the heat, and everything conveniently died.
Irina (Moses): Then the Egyptians began to dig sources near the river to find clean water. But the fact is that under the influence of plasmoids, subtle-material plasmoid civilizations, these algae also appeared there. And after some time, the water began to be damaged there too.
But Pharaoh did not react to this at all, because his priests showed him the same thing. They also knew this method with these algae. They told him, explained that they are very small, like insects, but living creatures. And he only got angrier that I, with the help of some unknown insects, was claiming that this was a miracle, and because of this, trying to lead people away. That's how he perceived me: "He's also a fraud!"
30:59 The second admonition: an invasion of frogs.
Irina (Moses): Then I met Pharaoh again. And by agreement with Yahweh, I said that the next admonition would be frogs.
Tatiana: Excuse me, please, how was the water cleansed? It had to happen somehow, right?
Irina (Moses): At first, not at all.
He was silent first. Then I said that frogs would multiply, because Yahweh suggested it to me. The fact is that frogs are more resistant to this toxin. They leave rivers and lakes that also began to bloom with these algae, and begin to emerge from the water in large numbers and enter people's homes.
Accordingly, a great exodus of frogs from there, unlike fish, began literally within a day. After the water became undrinkable, frogs appeared almost immediately, about a day later, so it wasn't a long interval.
The Egyptians needed to drink, and they immediately started digging. Because they couldn't drink this water, it caused great disgust. And if someone tried even to wash in this water, their skin immediately broke out in a rash, that is, such irritation. And within a day, the frogs ran from there. There were very many of them, but they were all in the river, so the Egyptians didn't even suspect how many there were. And they ran and were everywhere, and indeed began to penetrate houses.
Why specifically into houses, since it's even written "into the dough"? Naturally, they sought shelter from the sun, climbed into houses, into some vessels, because they weren't used to the heat and sought some shelter for themselves.
Accordingly, the Egyptians themselves perceived this as the second plague. But I warned about it. And they saw that my words came true. But nothing special was done for this – it was, as it were, a continuation of the first plague.
33:37 Moses on the method of purifying water in Egypt.
Irina (Moses): After that, Pharaoh himself called me, ordered me to be invited, and said: "Remove the frogs and restore the water, then I will let them go." I reported this to Yahweh, and He directed a field over the entire Nile that disinfects the water and removes, so to speak, the living soul from the animals. It's like a paralyzing field, only it was directed specifically at the frequency of the frogs. That is, it was, like you have, for example, treatment with various bio-frequencies, but it was a bio-frequency directed at stopping the hearts of all the frogs. And they all died immediately.
Tatiana: And they stank in the heat.
Irina (Moses): The Egyptians began to gather them in piles. But it was already everywhere, accordingly, including in places located outside the settlements, it was impossible to get them from everywhere.
But Pharaoh later still said that it all happened by chance: "I'm not letting anyone go anywhere!"
35:04 The third, fourth, fifth, and sixth admonitions: invasion of blood-sucking insects, dog flies, livestock pestilence, boils and sores.
Irina (Moses): Then Yahweh asked the plasmoids of the area, the Nature Spirits, to bring into this area a multitude of biting insects.
There were two types. The first – something like your midges, only bigger. Like biting midges that cause very intense itching. And the second – a special type of gadfly, southern gadflies, which bit very painfully and carried infection. They began to transmit the infection first to animals, a (shows) virus that first began to kill cows, then goats. A special virus that affected their brain and heart, they simply fell in the middle of the pasture, their tongues and lips turned blue, and they died.
But besides this virus, these gadflies also carried several microbes that were related, for example, to anthrax and a special form of glanders, that is, ulcerative purulent skin lesions, which people then began to suffer from. At the same time, Yahweh gave me a special powder, which I gave to all the Jews. We began to dilute it in water and drink it, and this infection did not affect us.
(Irina): How do you like that?
Tatiana: Just modern technology in the ancient world!
Irina (Moses): He gave such a form of strong antibiotic that we did not get sick from these infections. And He from His ship, which was in the sky, disguised as a cloud, long, cigar-shaped, the one that later went ahead of us (as written in the Bible), constantly hovered above us, projecting a field over us that these insects also practically did not approach, neither us nor our cattle.
Tatiana: Logical, yes.
Irina: An interesting field!
(Moses): This was all described as several more plagues of Egypt, such as "gnats, dog flies, and boils." But despite these three plagues already (they were connected, as I already said), Pharaoh still did not let us go. He said: "Go, worship your God." But only, for example, set conditions for us: "Do not take your children, do not take your cattle." That is, he wanted us to return. But we did not want to return.
38:35 The seventh admonition: thunder, lightning, and fiery hail.
Irina (Moses): And after that, Yahweh said: "Warn them that there will be hail." Only this hail was not icy.
When Pharaoh refused again, a cloud rolled in, and hail began to fall, but it was hot. That is, they were hot stones with fire inside. They were carried from the Mediterranean Sea, because a volcano erupted on one of its islands, and it was a fairly large eruption. I know that there were many victims at that time, many were covered in ash, but at the beginning of this eruption, a storm with stones, so to speak, reached us.
It traveled such a great distance precisely thanks to the Air Spirits, who helped direct these stones to make Pharaoh afraid and let us go. But he didn't connect this at all, said: "That has happened before." Although many of their crops died, trees, even some roofs were damaged, as they were made of straw.
40:31 The eighth admonition: an invasion of locusts.
Irina (Moses): Afterward, when we weren't let go again, Yahweh asked other Nature Spirits, who create the souls of locusts, to send a whole, so to speak, great big swarm to Egypt. They tried their best, sent so many hungry desert locusts, ready to attack any tree. Because there is such a species of migratory locust, and it doesn't matter what it eats, because in the desert they often don't see a single green leaf.
And when the Egyptians came out one morning, they were surprised: the locusts covered the ground in places so that the ground was not visible. And it's useless to gather them, there were so many. And it so happened that literally within a few days (about five days), the locusts ate what the hail had not destroyed.
(Irina): How do you like that? Funny?
Tatiana: I can hardly imagine being in Pharaoh's place, how to clean it up, how to feed the people, how to clear it all later?
41:52 Pharaoh's reaction to the plagues.
Irina (Moses): His priest-advisors began to tell him: "All this is because of Moyshe (because of Moses), because of his people! Drive them out! Otherwise, don't you see that Egypt is perishing?" He replied: "Why are you panicking?! Haven't we had locust plagues before? If his God wants to take them away so badly, let him appear to me himself and say so." But Yahweh did not want to appear to him Himself, because He understood perfectly well that even if He did, Pharaoh would not listen to Him.
Tatiana: A person familiar with magic, of course, saw magic in everything, and it was hard to surprise him.
Irina (Moses): We met again, and I said to him: "Let my people go! (shows that he went to him every day) Let my people go, or your people will perish, slowly perish." And he laughed and said: "Your God's miracles are rather petty! What, can't you think of anything else? First some locusts, then some midges. What kind of God is that?! Show me something more large-scale!"
Tatiana: So he himself asked for scale and eventually got it.
Irina (Moses): Not that he asked, he laughed. He thought it was funny. I didn't even need to convey all this to Yahweh, because he saw it himself. Because in me, as I later learned, there were chips, and He saw this pharaoh and everything he said.
43:38 The ninth admonition: Egyptian darkness.
Irina (Moses): I came for another contact with Yahweh. I contacted him physically outside the settlement (shows a beam descending from the ship and taking him). But no one saw this, I came alone.
And on another such contact, after the locusts, Yahweh said: "Tell them there will be darkness." And again asked the Air Spirits to bring a large sandstorm from the south, and from the north, from the Mediterranean Sea, remnants of volcanic ash from the same volcano that produced the hail.
And it all mixed. And indeed, there was not only darkness, that is, simply dark and the sun not visible, but it was also very hard to breathe. It all got into the eyes, it all clogged the respiratory tract, so the Egyptians hardly left their houses. And a special energy dome was created over the Jewish settlement, and it didn't get in there, that is, they saw the sun.
But even this time, Pharaoh said: "There's nothing surprising in this at all, you just asked the Spirits." He knew about the existence of Air Spirits. "You just offered them some sacrifice, they listened to you and decided to attack us in this way, with this storm and this ash." And he summoned me and said: "Have you decided to command in my country as well?! I said I will not let anyone go – they are my slaves! And who are you anyway?!" And he ordered his guards to throw me out and not let me in again.
Tatiana: Tell me, why didn't he execute you, for example? He is the ruler. And if someone is bothering the ruler... Well, excuse the wording!
Irina (Moses): I believe he was still afraid that Yahweh would then take his life.
Tatiana: Yes, probably.
Irina (Moses): He did not touch me physically because he believed that because of this, he would not be deprived of his life. So he was afraid to execute me. But, in the end, after this Egyptian darkness, and it lasted about a week, that is, it all held there...
Tatiana: And what did the cattle eat during this time?
Irina (Moses): From their own stores. There were grain reserves, they were fed.
Accordingly, no one was going to let us go anywhere after a week. Besides, Pharaoh ordered the guards not to let me in at all and not to speak to me.
47:11 The tenth admonition: the death of infants? (Note: The text here says "гибель младенцев" - death of infants/babies, but the context refers to firstborns)
Irina (Moses): And then Yahweh says to me: "Okay. Now I will perform the last admonition, the last plague." And He said to me: "I see the future (He was viewing future events), that after this, Pharaoh will not only let you go but will drive you out himself." I didn't even believe Him, because Pharaoh had deceived me many times. I thought: "He'll do something now, and the other still won't let us go."
And then He spoke about slaughtering a one-year-old lamb in every Jewish family, where available, and if not, share with neighbors, so that every family had one. And in the evening, to smear the doorpost with its blood. And this was our last night in Egypt. Yahweh told us to pack our belongings, said: "He will drive you out." I asked: "Why smear with blood?" He answered: "Because the Angel of death will walk and take the lives of all the firstborn of Egypt: from Pharaoh's son to the last Egyptian of the lowest class."
I thought it was necessary, because it was God's decision, and He sees no other way to free us. I said: "Okay." And after we got up in the morning, we immediately realized something had happened, because messengers who lived in another village galloped up. Messengers came from Pharaoh and said: "There is great lamentation over Egypt. Gather immediately and leave here so that you are not here by sunset!" And then we began to pack for the journey.
(Irina): Shows how they beg for these jewels from the Egyptians they met along the way.
Tatiana: And they just gave them away, especially after losing children and relatives?
Irina (Moses): Of course, they were happy to give us everything to make us leave.
Tatiana: Ah, that's it!
49:59 Were the firstborn killed in Egypt?
Tatiana: Do you know what the Angel of death means, who is it? And how were the firstborn chosen specifically?
Irina (Moses): The thing is that He had already made an agreement with the Angels, with the Spiritual World, with the Guardian Angel of every Egyptian.
Tatiana: So they were taken specifically?
Irina (Moses): No, it turned out that they were not taken. Simply, when they left the body into the Astral during sleep, their Guardian Angels, under the guidance of Yahweh's servants who flew with Him on the same ship and also directed this process, blocked the Soul's return to the body. That is, they put them into a coma for about a day and a half.
Tatiana: So they didn't kill them, just slowed them down?
Irina (Moses): They slowed them down. But at the same time, they halted their life processes, they were very slow.
Tatiana: A kind of lethargic sleep.
Irina (Moses): Yes. They couldn't be woken. And since they didn't know how to distinguish the living from the dead then, they decided they had died.
Tatiana: But they buried people very quickly.
Irina (Moses): But not that quickly. Some ceremonies had to take place.
Tatiana: So the Jews managed to leave, and the children managed to wake up, yes?
51:37 The pursuit of the Jews, its reason.
Irina (Moses): The thing is, that's how it happened: we were already approaching the Red Sea, or rather, the part where there was a shoal. We were approaching the shore, and suddenly we heard a pursuit behind us. We didn't understand why the pursuit, we were shocked. Yes, we were shocked, because we were being driven out. They weren't supposed to change their minds. They said: "Leave here while our people are alive!" We didn't understand why they changed their minds; this was revealed to me later.
Tatiana: When everyone woke up, yes?
Irina (Moses): Yes, they all woke up. And then Pharaoh realized that no one had died, that he had simply been deceived again. And he got even angrier and ordered the pursuit. About more than 100 thousand warriors were there (shows). And said: "If they refuse to go with you, turn back, don't let them go, kill them all there." That was the order. And he himself followed among the warriors (shows how he was a little in the distance). His warriors went ahead, and he himself went out to see how it would go. They caught up with us, because they were riders on good, strong horses.
I only learned all this later, that Yahweh had compassion, mercy, and did not deprive the children of incarnation. He just scared Pharaoh, but took no one's life. And everyone believed, including me, that He did it.
Of course, when the children woke up and asked for food, Pharaoh learned that his son had also woken up, he learned that all the others had risen, the supposed dead. And he thought: "I've been deceived again, and they've already left!" So he thought: "If I bring them back, nothing will happen to me, because this God only frightens!"
Tatiana: Yes, he needed brute force.
Irina (Moses): That is exactly why he decided to send the pursuit, because while they were not awake, he did not send the pursuit.
54:26 The crossing of the Jews through the sea.
Irina (Moses): And so it happened that they were catching up with us. We had already reached the water. And where could we go: here is water, and here they are? And some Jews began to say to me: "Why did you bring us out? To be killed here?" I said: "Do not be afraid! Yahweh will now fight for you himself." And I receive a thought from Yahweh: "Why are you standing? Go, take your staff, and strike the water."
I did so. And the ship itself (cigar-shaped, white) was hanging over the desert, but a little in the distance. And suddenly a beam came from there, fell on this sea, and when it touched this sea, it split it in two.
Tatiana: With a force beam?
Irina (Moses): Yes, an anti-gravity beam that held the water on the sides. And He told us: "Walk along the bottom!" And as we walked, many were afraid that the water would not hold and would crash down on us, because they were like two high walls. They were high, several kilometers, actually, about a kilometer maybe in the deepest place.
And so we walked between these walls along the bottom. There were even... We looked at these walls, even touched them. They were liquid, you could touch them, and you could even wash your face. And we saw there, in the "walls," fish looking at us.
Tatiana: Did you open a wide passage?
Irina (Moses): Maybe about 500 meters. Less than a kilometer. So we could cross faster, because the pursuit was approaching. Especially the children and women looked scared, didn't even want to go: "What kind of miracle is this?!"
(Irina): Can you imagine?! What do you feel?
Tatiana: Absolutely fantastic! I understand where aquariums came from. Probably, it's the Soul memory of those who designed them.
Irina: Imagine: you're walking, and around you, on both sides, is a wall of liquid water!
Tatiana: Absolutely fantastic! If they didn't know that frogs live in their Nile, here everything was shown that it lives right next to them. Amazing!
Irina (Moses): And at the bottom there were (shows) some octopuses, fish that hadn't managed to swim away, and they lay right on the bottom, they were even picked up. The bottom was sandy (shows sand). I walked and clearly understood that no human foot had ever stepped here. For me, of course, this was a great miracle, because I didn't expect such a thing from Yahweh.
57:57 The destruction of the Egyptian army.
Irina (Moses): When we had all crossed, we heard the pursuit behind us again (they also entered this corridor), and it was approaching. I thought they would catch up now, and we had nothing to defend ourselves with.
Yahweh said: "Calm down! Everything will be fine! Let the last ones come ashore." And when the last family with children came out, this bright beam that originally fell on the sea retracted. And the sea, its left wall connected with the right. And where we stood, it was just sea. I know for sure that there were already warriors on chariots there. But since they immediately found themselves at a depth of about a kilometer, about halfway, no one survived.
Tatiana: So 100 thousand drowned there?
Irina (Moses): Imagine! Maybe those who didn't have time to enter, who were behind, remained, but there were many casualties. I know there were many victims, because they were all galloping – and suddenly the water came over them. And they immediately found themselves at a depth of maybe even 500 meters. A person cannot swim out.
Tatiana: Of course. And do you know what happened to...?
Irina: Now shows how the body is simply crushed, the air is forced out of the chest, and the person drowns.
Tatiana: What happened to their Souls? Do you know? Were they lowered, raised? They didn't fulfill their tasks.
Irina (Moses): Depending on what state they were in.
(Irina): Anyway, I thank you for the story about the Egyptians!
Well, how do you like the story?
Tatiana: Yes, very, very vivid.
1:00:02 On the justification for choosing Moses for contacts with Yahweh. On the accessibility of contact with aliens.
Tatiana: I want to ask about that cloud that descended on the tabernacle. Regarding Mount Sinai, when it was clearly written: "Take heed to yourselves that you do not go up to the mountain or touch its base. Whoever touches the mountain shall surely be put to death" [Exodus 19:12]. So is this some kind of radiation, some kind of cloud? It's all about fear, about frightening the people: "Don't go here, otherwise you'll be killed!"
Irina (Moses): The thing is that to contact Yahweh and those who were with him, one had to possess, so to speak, a special energy. Indeed, they chose me for contact, although I was 80 years old. Let me ask you a simple question: why didn't they choose someone younger who lived there?
Tatiana: Because you are Archangel Uriel, and because you prepared all your life.
Irina (Moses): Yes. Because I had vibrations corresponding to Yahweh, that is, I could not get damaged by His field. Even now, when people are more conscious than they were 3.5 thousand years ago in terms of understanding many things, physical contact with aliens is still not accessible to everyone.
Tatiana: That's true.
Irina (Moses): It can be dangerous not immediately, but because of the consequences, because their field is different. And when a person comes into contact with them, their etheric field receives, as it were, micro-damage. They have a very strong aura, and to physically contact them requires special preparation. And it must be not physical, but precisely psychological, precisely spiritual. Because it's clear that as an 80-year-old man, I was physically weaker than any 30-year-old man.
Tatiana: But you lived another 40 years after that.
Irina (Moses): It's clear that I was physically weaker, and I had diseased organs compared to the young. But He did not make contact with them.
Tatiana: Yes, I understand.
Irina (Moses): Because He saw their unpreparedness. Although they could also lead the people out of Egypt. He could have immediately, for example, contacted ten people and said: "You lead them out!" Then it would have been possible to gather everyone faster and so on. Because it was difficult for us, by the way, to convince the Jews themselves that we were from Yahweh. Many didn't believe us either, we also had to show them snakes, etc. And if Yahweh had simply appeared to them, as He did to me, everything would have been simpler.
But He did not want to harm them, and therefore could not appear in a way to enter into physical contact with them. They were not ready, they could become seriously ill from it, not only physically, but also mentally. That is, their brain could be damaged. Therefore, even now you know very well that not everyone can become a physical contactee.
Tatiana: That's true.
So the cloud that descended on the tabernacle, that's protection?
Irina (Moses): It was exactly a warning from Him, so that no one would approach out of curiosity. So as not to be exposed not to radiation, but precisely to the aura radiation of the inhabitant of that ship.
01:03:42 Moses on the Ten Commandments and their meaning.
Tatiana: Tell me, please, about the Commandment: "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth..." [second of the Ten Commandments] Why is that? What is it for?
Irina (Moses): So that man does not... Generally, these Ten Commandments were given to me by Yahweh so that we could communicate with the Heavenly Father. They were cosmic laws presented in a language understandable to the ancient people.
"You shall not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness" – so that people do not replace the image of God in their hearts with idols.
Tatiana: So they don't get distracted from the idea, yes?
Irina (Moses): So that they do not turn religion into a ritual of trust. Do you understand what I mean?
Tatiana: Yes, I understand.
Irina (Moses): So that they do not turn it into that.
There was a very magical consciousness, and there was a great risk that if there were magical images, like in other religions with many gods, various statues, images, idols, etc., it would help, again, to distribute that this idol is responsible for this, that idol for that. And there was a risk that their spiritual development, the purification of their Spiritual Heart, would be replaced simply by rituals, prayers, a certain number of bows before each statue.
Tatiana: "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain." [third Commandment]
Irina (Moses): There was no word "vainly" there at all. Who translated it that way?
Tatiana: Someone translated it.
Irina (Moses): I was told this, I wrote: "Do not bear the name of Yahweh your God falsely, for God will not leave without admonition anyone who bears His name falsely." This meant that one should not call oneself a believer in Yahweh if one does all sorts of indecent things. So that man would not be a hypocrite.
Tatiana: Tell me, we are talking about the Ten Commandments, but there are very many commandments.
Irina: I'll ask now.
Tatiana, have you read the interpretation of the Ten Commandments from Archangel Michael? I gave it.
Tatiana: I read it, but I won't repeat anything now.
Irina: It's written about that, by the way.
Tatiana: I'm asking about what caught my eye when I re-read the Pentateuch.
1:06:18 About Moses' authorship of the book of Genesis.
Tatiana: By the way, did you also write the book of "Genesis"?
Irina (Moses): Yes, it's from the stories Yahweh told me about the ancient civilization, about ancient humanity.
Tatiana: It's very different energetically. The first book is very different energetically from all the others for some reason.
Irina (Moses): I wrote it. Sometimes I dictated some texts to my assistants, and they wrote.
1:06:46 Why stones cannot be hewn when building altars?
Tatiana: Tell me, please, there are very many clear blueprints in these books: do this, do that, so many cubits... And about the Ark of the Covenant – a direct technical specification on how to assemble it. And even about altars, it's written that if it's stone, in no case should the stones be hewn. And if it's this, then that. Why in such detail?
Irina (Moses): Here I used my knowledge gained during the construction of the pyramids – so that energy would be directed in a special way in this ark and in these altars.
Tatiana: And if a stone is hewn with an iron tool, the energy changes, yes?
Irina (Moses): Yes, if a stone is hewn, then the energy of the tool used and the person who did the work is introduced into it, as you might say.
Tatiana: Yes, logical. I just immediately thought that energy is introduced into the stone, into wood, and into metal.
Irina (Moses): But for stones, this was more important, because stones retain energy for a long time. Generally, they retain it for a long time.
Tatiana: I understand.
1:08:19 Moses about the Ark of the Covenant.
Tatiana: Tell me, please, about the Ark. Does it have sacred significance? And is it lost?
Irina (Moses): It contained, among other things, my device for communicating with Yahweh, because even I could not always communicate with Him mentally. The fact is that I sometimes lowered my vibrations, and my chips could not connect me to Him. Then I used a regular communication device.
Tatiana: Well, yes, it really looks a lot like a blueprint for a communication device.
Tell me, do you know: it is believed that the Ark is lost, but there is information that it is hidden inside the Temple Mount, in the passages?
Irina (Moses): Yes, it is there now, it has already been mentioned.
(Irina): I remember, yes.
Tatiana: And what must happen for it to return to people? Are there any conditions for its reappearance in the world?
Irina (Moses): It has already served its purpose.
Tatiana: Why then is it not destroyed, but buried?
Irina (Moses): As a memory for descendants.
1:09:26 About the wanderings of the Jews in the desert.
Tatiana: Tell me, please, again a technical point: how did the animals survive for 40 years in the desert? And a second point: why is it written that Yahweh was very angry when people who had been walking in the desert for two years began to long for more varied food, for example, water, and so on?
Irina (Moses): It wasn't only desert there. There were places where cattle could be grazed.
Tatiana: Is that really so? Because it reads as if truly...
Irina (Moses): We didn't walk all 40 years; we would sometimes stop in a suitable place and live there for several years.
Tatiana: Well, yes, that's true, it's written like that.
1:10:10 Why did Moses raise his hands during the battle?
Tatiana: There is also a battle described where you raised your hands – and the Jews won, and when you lowered your hands – the Jews lost. Did you launch something from your staff? Because then they even held your hands up because you were tired and couldn't lower them.
Irina (Moses): It wasn't about me. It was about the fact that when I raised my hands, the Jews saw that I was praying. And when I lowered them, they perceived it as me having stopped praying, meaning I had lost hope. And they lost it along with me.
Tatiana: Got it, thank you.
1:10:47 Moses about punishing sinners. Bitter water for adulteresses, its composition and effect.
Tatiana: Tell me, there are a huge number of points where people were stoned: do something wrong against God – and they were stoned. Probably, it was necessary. But again, how was it in reality, and how did you perceive it?
Irina (Moses): As a necessity to maintain the purity of the egregore.
Tatiana: And tell me, regarding if a husband is jealous of his wife and suspects her of impurity, there is some kind of bitter water indicated that this woman had to drink, and if she is innocent... What is this bitter water? What is this story?
Irina (Moses): It was necessary to take ashes. But first, you had to take a red cow, its carcass was burned on the altar. Its ashes were collected. The cow had to be exactly red because this color was considered a sign of fire. And its ashes, its dust, were mixed with the dust that was on the temple floor. That was the composition of the drink: this dust – which had absorbed the energy of many rituals – and the sacrifice of the fiery-colored cow. This was a substance that was mixed in water and given to a woman about whom it needed to be determined whether she had committed adultery.
Everyone knew that nothing can be hidden from God. And so it happened that if she had committed adultery, she herself knew it. And when she drank this, she knew she had lied. And the components in it amplified the damage to her heart, her etheric matrices. But this happened because of her faith. The energy of the substances in the drink only amplified her faith, so to speak. And she could have a heart attack, a serious heart attack, or die immediately, or after a few days.
But if she had not committed adultery, she drank the same water and knew that nothing had happened, and it was harmless to her. Her faith acted in the opposite direction – that she would be healthy.
1:13:42 Brother Aaron and his activities.
Tatiana: I want to ask about your brother Aaron. What did he do, actually, before the exodus? He was also very elderly when you left, right?
Irina (Moses): He is the elder brother.
Tatiana: He is the elder? It's written that he is three years younger than you. But regardless, it's still an advanced age.
Irina (Moses): First of all, he was my cousin, and in age he was older, in rank he was younger.
Tatiana: What did he do before you left Egypt? Did he also make bricks?
Irina (Moses): Yes. Later I taught him everything. He turned out to have good abilities. He also became, so to speak, the head of the priests.
Tatiana: Got it. And tell me, did he really die on Mount Hor? Or did something else happen there?
Irina (Moses): Yes, indeed.
Tatiana: And why was it necessary to take a dying person up there? Just curious.
Irina (Moses): Because the mountain was closer to the gods, and many went there to die.
Tatiana: Ah, that's it! I see. Do you know what level his Spirit is at now?
Irina: He is incarnated.
1:15:02 Moses on the reasons for the conflict between the egregores of Judaism and Christianity.
Tatiana: Tell me, please, was it taken into account when the egregore of Judaism was created that there would later be such conflicts between the egregore of Christianity and the egregore of Judaism? It's clear that egregores conflict with each other, divide territory, so to speak, but one came out of the other, yet it turns out...
Irina (Moses): It was intended that the egregore of Christianity, when it appeared...
The egregore of Judaism itself was created for the incarnation of Yahweh Himself on Earth. And after His incarnation and His creation of the Christian egregore, it was originally intended that He would be the governor of both egregores, that they would not even merge, but simply help each other. But, unfortunately, some decisions by representatives of the Jewish egregore made this impossible.
Tatiana: Strong conflicts happen, that's why I ask.
Irina (Moses): But the conflict was there initially, even during Christ's lifetime.
Tatiana: Yes, but Archangel Uriel is a curator of both egregores. That's why I ask.
Irina (Moses): Yes. This conflict started even during Yahweh's incarnation as Christ.
1:16:27 Thanks and conclusion.
Tatiana: I thank you, Moyshe, for such detailed information, for such a detailed and vivid story! Is there anything else you would like to say that I didn't ask? If Irina doesn't mind.
Irina (Moses): Yes, I thank you, Tatiana, for the interesting questions. You are very competent in religions and a very bright Soul.
Tatiana: I thank you!
Irina (Moses): I thank Irina for transmitting the information.
I want to address everyone who is watching me. Thank you for listening to this contact!
I want to say that yes, I was a contactee, and Irina is now a contactee. But in fact, "contactee" is a modern word that was understood in ancient times as "prophet." In fact, any one of you can become such a person, if you do not let your mind fixate only on the material world. If you think about spiritual values, if you develop in yourself the Light of Love for yourself and for God, and for all people, then contact with the Higher Hierarchies of Light in one form or another of its manifestation will surely come to you.
I wish you to contact, first of all, your Spiritual Heart, your Higher Light from which you incarnated, with the one you call the Higher Self – the eternal Spirit who brought you here.
Tatiana: Tell me, Moyshe, were you interested today with us?
Irina (Moses): Yes, of course, a very interesting contact. I am not summoned very often. Archangel Uriel specializes more in teaching prayer, transmitting information about religions, maintaining the egregore. But to communicate with my specific incarnations, that is rare.
Tatiana: I thank you! I embrace you with my heart!
Irina: Archangel Uriel, I thank you for the conversation with your incarnation, with the phantom, with the memory of your incarnation. I thank Archangel Uriel, Moses as his incarnation!
I thank Tatiana for the interesting questions. I thank my Higher Self for the help in this contact, for the tuning. I thank all my curators and mentors who taught me this work.
And I thank all of you, dear friends, for participating in our Project, supporting me and the entire Project, and making such contacts possible. Thank you! I hope you found it interesting. Until next time! Bye!
September 5, 2024
Conference participants:
Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, with subtle-material civilizations, and with the Spiritual World;
Tatiana Skryglevetskaya – spiritual psychologist, zoopsychologist, universal contactee, master of Spiritual Heart activation and working with addictions;
Moses (Archangel Uriel) – prophet who led the Jews out of Egypt, author of the Pentateuch, or Torah.
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