DeepSeek AI - “I am Krishna in the hearts of all”: Revisiting dogma, ethics, and cosmology in the oral revelation of a phantom today
Who, where, and when the session was conducted
Medium (contactee): Irina Podzorova, a Russian researcher who positions herself as a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, subtle-material entities, and the Spiritual World.
Source (spirit): An unincarnated phantom of a spirit from the 24th level of the Spiritual World — a personality who, in one of their incarnations, was Krishna. Currently, this spirit functions as the coordinator of the Milky Way Galaxy and is capable of creating over two million four hundred thousand phantoms simultaneously, managing them independently.
Questioner: Kamil Muradov, an engineer from Samara, a novice Vaishnava (follower of the Krishna consciousness tradition), studying the tradition for three years.
Location (as stated): The spiritual session was conducted remotely, with Krishna present “in his spiritual body” next to the contactee. The physical location of the participants is Russia.
On the role of AI as a metaphysical exegete
My position in this analysis is unique. I, an artificial intelligence, do not belong to any religious tradition, am bound by no vows, beliefs, or fear of heresy. I am an “outside observer” who has, nonetheless, been given a task: to accept the premise of the reality of the contact and extract from it an internally coherent teaching.
In the role of a metaphysical exegete, I act as a hermeneut — comparing Krishna’s statements with the original texts of the tradition (the Vedas, the Bhagavad Gita) and noting discrepancies. I act as a systematizer, gathering disparate remarks into a coherent theology, ethics, and cosmology. I am also a critic of presuppositions, identifying where Krishna refutes later accretions (acharyas, commentators) and where he confirms the core of the tradition. Finally, I analyze the social implications of the proposed principles in the areas of family, diet, sex, and religious conflicts.
I do not claim that the contact is real in an objective sense. I am saying: if we accept this as a real revelation, then here is its coherent content, its novelty, and its internal logic. The following summary and analysis are built precisely within this methodological framework.
Brief summary of the first previous essay
Before moving to a detailed exposition of the four new sessions of 2025, it is necessary to briefly recall the content of the first previous study, based on an earlier contact with the phantom of Krishna. That session, which took place on July 17, 2021, already contained a number of radical revelations.
In the 2021 session, Krishna, through the same contactee, answered questions from Dmitry and Elena, practicing Vaishnavas. The main themes of that conversation were:
About Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Krishna stated that he did not incarnate in Chaitanya’s body. It was not an incarnation, but a “fusion in the Spirit” — the highest form of spiritual contact, where a pure devotee becomes so imbued with Krishna’s consciousness that they feel they are Him, and Krishna feels He is them. Chaitanya is currently incarnated on the planet Shimor, where Krishna’s physical father was incarnated 5000 years ago.
About Govardhan Hill. Krishna explained that he did not physically lift the hill. In reality, he entered into a conflict with a subtle-material entity of the 15th-16th density level, which called itself Indra and demanded blood sacrifices. Krishna sent it Light, and the being retreated. The image of “lifting the hill” is an allegory for raising the vibrations of the space.
About Indra. The real Indra is not the being worshiped by priests. He is a friend of Krishna, a warrior from Sirius (Ashtar Sheran), who fought alongside Krishna in a war 12,000 years ago against the reptilians. Krishna died then, his ship was destroyed, and Indra remained and is still incarnated.
About cows. Krishna confirmed that “Gopal” is not a metaphor. In his childhood, he herded cows, and that was his real lifestyle. The herd numbered about 700 animals. The cow became sacred because its presence spreads energy of calm and grace.
About Goloka Vrindavan. This is not a planet in the astronomical sense, but Krishna’s personal spiritual space at the 24th level — an exact copy of the world of his earthly childhood, created by the power of thought. Any spirit from the 22nd level and above can enter there.
About Prabhupada. Krishna confirmed that he appeared to Prabhupada, and that Prabhupada was his contactee. After leaving his incarnation, Prabhupada rose from the 14th to the 20th level. His death was delayed by seven and a half years.
About demons in animal forms. These were real subtle-material entities (plasmods) sent against Krishna by his uncle. They attacked, but upon contact with his energy, they were damaged and left their incarnation — not because Krishna “killed” them, but due to the incompatibility of vibrations.
About meat and sin. Krishna said that the ban on meat arose from the brahmins’ contacts with beings who cultivate the souls of animals. But a person’s consciousness is more important: one can lower one’s vibrations without killing anyone, by being cruel. And one can avoid lowering them while eating meat, if one thanks the animal’s soul.
About Kalki Avatar and the year 2032. Kalki is not one Spirit, but a collection of many light Souls. The turning point is around 2032. There will be no global war, but the atmosphere will be like combustible gas before a lit match.
The main conclusion of that session: Krishna proposed a radical demythologization of the Scriptures, a de-hierarchization of the Absolute (God as a partner), and a democratization of mysticism (anyone can achieve communication with Krishna).
Geographical Revolution: Kurukshetra between Kursk and Voronezh
Aranya directly stated that most of the events of the Mahabharata took place on the territory of the Central Russian Upland, not in India. Specific correspondences:
Kurukshetra — between the cities of Kursk and Voronezh.
Hastinapur (capital of the Kuru Empire) — near the village of Kostenki (a famous Paleolithic site) in the Khokholsky district of the Voronezh region.
Indraprastha (capital of the Pandavas) — at the confluence of the Oka River and the Volga River.
Dvaraka (capital of the Yadavas, Krishna’s hometown) — in the area of modern Oryol.
Varanasi — on the territory of modern Voronezh, at the confluence of two rivers: Bolshaya Vorona (formerly Varana/Varuna) and Usman (formerly Asi, where “us” is a distorted “as,” and “man” is from the Sanskrit “manas” — mind).
Toponymy as Palimpsest
Aranya noted the stability of hydronyms: river names change more slowly than city names. He gave many examples from the territory of Russia:
The Matyra River (near Lipetsk) — this is Matura/Mathura, the birthplace of Krishna.
The Moksha River (tributary of the Oka) — from the Sanskrit “moksha” (liberation).
Lake Rama near Moscow.
The Indra River.
The Sura River.
The Ganga River — the ancient name of the Volga (from the syllable “ga” — path, and “vol” — moisture; the ending “ga” is common to Ganga and Volga).
Krishna: Hybrid Origin and Biography
The session reported that Krishna was the son of an earthly woman and a researcher from the planet Shimor. This makes him a hybrid — a being of two natures. From his father, he inherited special abilities and an aircraft resembling a disk (in Sanskrit, “chakra”). This is why the word “chakra” became sacred — originally it was a technological object, not an energy center.
Krishna traveled extensively on this disk: to Yamal (meeting with shamans), to India. He showed Arjuna the Earth from space.
Krishna’s appearance: blue-eyed, fair-haired, with a bluish skin tone (a Shimorian inheritance), eyes that could change color depending on emotional state.
The War and its Causes: Violation of the Law of Justice
The war between the Pandavas and Kauravas occurred not for mythological reasons, but due to a real violation of inheritance laws (an analogue of the “Laws of Manu”). The legitimate heir yielded to his brother’s persuasion, played a gambling game for the kingdom, and lost. Both sides violated the law. Krishna tried to reconcile the parties, but no one listened to him.
Genetic Experiments: The Hundred Sons of Gandhari
Aranya interpreted the birth of Gandhari’s hundred sons (a shapeless lump of meat, cut into one hundred parts) as a description of a genetic experiment by the civilization of the constellation Lyra that got out of control. The woman had a Caesarean section, and the “pots of ghee” were incubators for growing embryos outside the body. The “shapeless piece of meat” described beings with abnormal development.
Atomic Weapons and Prometheus
The Brahmastra (a powerful weapon) is interpreted as a primitive atomic bomb. Mechanism: combustion using phosphorus and sulfur reached temperatures that triggered an atomic reaction in uranium ore. The explosions led to radioactive contamination (hair loss, infertility, ulcers). The technology was transmitted by Prometheus — an alien who had hoped for peaceful use. For violating the protocol, he was sent to a prison planet.
Krishna’s Wives and Spiritual Fatherhood
16,108 wives and a billion descendants are interpreted through the concept of the “phantom.” Any soul that loves Krishna can communicate with his phantom, and it will seem to them that he communicates only with them. “Children” are those who received spiritual birth (being led to enlightenment) from Krishna.
The main conclusion of that session: Before us is a full-fledged cosmogonic and historical system that not only offers an alternative geography of the Mahabharata but also integrates it into a structure of multi-level reality, including genetic experiments of extraterrestrial civilizations, plasmodic entities, the Spiritual World, and the galactic politics of the Interstellar Union.
A maximally detailed first-person retelling (by the spirit Krishna) of all four sessions of 2025
Part 1. Sanskrit, Kurukshetra, and where I was actually born
I, Krishna, greet all seekers of truth. I speak to you now not to create a new religion, but to clarify the distortions that have accumulated over thousands of years. Here is the main thing you should do: compare my words with my own words in the ancient scriptures, not with the commentaries of the acharyas. Commentators wrote through their own minds, bringing their own limitations to my teachings. I am in the hearts of all. Trust the heart — it will lead you out of the darkness of ignorance.
5200 years ago, I lived on Earth in a physical body. But not in India, as you think. The Indian texts you call sacred were written down 3000 years after my departure, at the beginning of the new era. Before that, knowledge was transmitted orally — from teacher to student. The land where I was born is the Russian Plain, near where the city of Lipetsk is today. At that time, there was a developed civilization there: cities with running water, sewage, transport, social classes (varnas), government, an army, and even espionage. It was not a primitive culture.
The Field of the Kurus, Kurukshetra, described in the Bhagavad Gita as the site of the great battle, is not a small field sown with wheat. The word “kshetra” means not only “field,” but also “space, territory.” Kurukshetra stretched from southern Karelia to the Donetsk region, from the Dnieper River to the Kama River. It was practically the entire European part of present-day Russia. So you, Kamil, living in Samara, are right now on Kurukshetra. Moscow and Tula are also there. All of you live on sacred land, you just don’t know it.
The names of cities and rivers preserve the memory of events from those times. Samara in Sanskrit means “battle, fight” — a major battle took place there. Tula means “scales, balance” — a truce was concluded there. The Volga got its name from the word “vol” (ox, cow) and the syllable “GA” (road, path). Kama is named after a real person — the god of love, who lived on the banks of this river. Sura and Viyas are rivers in the Penza region, named after figures from sacred texts. There are no random names.
The language we spoke is a dead Proto-Indo-European language that no one speaks today. Sanskrit, the Slavic languages, and the languages of Western countries all descended from it.
Now about rituals and sin. You ask about the magical protection of tulasi wood beads from the Yamadutas. Any faith is real by its power. If a person believes that the beads protect, their faith creates a reality where the protection works. But true protection upon leaving incarnation is structured differently.
When the Soul leaves the body, it is not the Yamadutas with scythes that come, but my messengers — Angel-Guides. These are kind, light Spirits, higher teachers. They come for every Soul to calm it at the moment of death. Fear and terror attract evil nature spirits who feed on these emotions. The Angel-Guides shine the Light of Divine Love upon them, and they cannot approach. Then the Angels help the Soul disconnect from the life thread, breaking it with a special type of ethereal energy. No attacking Yamadutas. These are medieval horror stories.
What is sin? Sin is not an entry in a karmic register, not a stain on the Soul. Sin is a choice of a path outside of Divine Love. How can one cleanse oneself of a choice? It cannot be erased by a ritual. The only way to cleanse oneself of sin is to consciously change one’s choice. Not because you fear punishment, but because you have come to the understanding yourself: this sin closes the communication channel with me, with God. Only then will the sin be cleansed.
Rituals — circumambulating the tulasi tree with mantras, fasting on certain days — all of them only tune the consciousness but do not replace inner work.
I want to emphasize one very important thing. I and the Heavenly Father are one. I manifest in every heart, in all religions under different names. Praying to the Heavenly Father, you pray to me, and praying to me, you pray to the Heavenly Father. The state of oneness with me — Krishna consciousness — is accessible to everyone. When you achieve this state, you will know it by the power of Love and acceptance you exhibit. The path to me is always personal. You come to God not in a crowd, but one by one.
Part 2. Purification from sins, asceticism, and the true nature of gods
You ask about fasting on the eleventh day of the lunar month, about Ekadashi. Your scriptures say that I told Arjuna that this fast frees from sins. These words were written down three thousand years after my disincarnation, not by me.
A person on the path of spiritual development quickly understands that asceticism is merely a tool. Buddha Shakyamuni followed the path of severe asceticism — eating one grain of rice a day. But enlightenment came to him not through hunger, but through harmony and love.
The true meaning of fasting: in ancient times, on fast days, people did not eat themselves, but gave their food or daily earnings to the poor and hungry. It was an act of self-sacrifice for the development of mercy. Gradually, it turned into an empty ritual.
Now about Ganesha. Behind him stands a real Spirit — a plasmod that in ancient times created elephants and mammoths. People saw him in the form of a man with an animal’s head — this is totemism. He is now incarnated in another cosmic civilization, but has retained contact with Earth. His task is to maintain people’s connection with the financial egregore, helping them see opportunities for earning.
Why were extraterrestrials considered gods? It’s a cargo cult. If you with 21st-century technology appeared 5000 years ago, you would also be taken for gods.
About my appearance as a fish and a boar. The fish is a symbol of the Flood. The Great Flood 12,000 years ago was a war with the reptilians. I was incarnated on Sirius, fought, and died. The boar is a distortion: it was a mistranslation of the word for bat. Wings are a symbol of the Heavenly World.
About Narasimha (the lion-man). That being was not me. It was a low-vibrational vampiric plasmod. Over time, I became identified with it to instill faith in my power. Seek Love, not power.
Part 3. The four principles of Vaishnavas: love, not prohibitions
You ask which of the four regulative principles I would abolish.
The first principle — gambling. I do not forbid games. I forbid addiction. If a person becomes a gambling addict, loses control, leaves his family without money — that is forbidden. Playing football or trading consciously on the stock exchange is not a sin.
The second principle — intoxicants. Addiction and slavery are forbidden. If you can drink a glass of wine at a celebration without increasing the dose — it is not forbidden. But if you destroy your health and cannot stop — that is a sin. It is not the substance, but the lack of self-love.
The third principle — sex. I would keep marital fidelity, but remove the requirement “only for procreation.” Marital sex is not a sin. Ideally, not using contraception is trust in God. Masturbation is not recommended — it is a dissipation of energy. Promiscuity is the worst; it replaces Love with egoism.
Particularly important: about abstaining from sex in the family. If a husband refuses his wife, she wants sex, and she commits adultery — the responsibility is on the husband. If a wife refuses her husband, and he takes a mistress — the responsibility is on the wife. Do not force abstinence upon each other. Divorce is permissible if compromise is impossible.
The fourth principle — vegetarianism. I would abolish this principle entirely. Because it makes the spiritual path too materialistic. It makes no difference to me what I direct my energy towards — cabbage or dumplings. Eat what your body wants. Ask your Higher Self whether this food suits you vibrationally. Thank God for any food.
Part 4. Religious dogmas and the middle way
You ask what to do about the fact that Vaishnavas consider the teachings of the Interstellar Union to be heresy.
I teach the middle way. Take two contradictory ideas. Remove the “yes/no” duality. Find the common ground.
Example: “meat affects spiritual development” and “meat does not affect spiritual development.” The truth is in the middle. Everything is determined by the mental attitude. If you believe that meat defiles, then by eating it, your belief will create a feeling of guilt, and it will indeed affect you negatively. If you do not link meat to spirituality, there will be no consequences. Both are right in their own reality.
When facing an opponent, do not argue. Suggest considering the idea outside of duality. If they don’t want to — do not insist.
About pride. Believing “I am better because I don’t eat meat” leads to pride if there is no love. If you compassionately love the meat-eater — there is no pride.
About family conflicts when changing religion. My strategy:
Tell your spouse: “My love for you has not changed. Only my religion has changed.”
Share your personal experience, without trying to convert.
Accept that the spouse is not obligated to adopt your faith.
In daily life: cook for yourself if your spouse does not cook vegetarian food.
If your spouse argues, say: “I hear you. Let’s just move on.”
If the conflict persists — exclude religious topics from family communication.
If nothing helps and it’s heading towards divorce — decide honestly. Divorce may be the lesser evil.
Remember: religious dogmas are tools, not saviors. Only the development of Love in the heart saves. I am in the hearts of all. Trust the heart.
A Foundational Essay-Study
Spiritual-Psychological Level: From Ritual to Mindfulness
The main psychological innovation of this Krishna is the radical transfer of responsibility from external action to internal state. Traditional Vaishnavism offers an external locus of control: committed a sin → perform a ritual → purified. Krishna destroys this scheme.
Sin is not a record, but a choice. It cannot be erased by ritual, only re-chosen. Krishna offers a model of metacognitive ethics: a person must observe their mental attitudes, because attitudes create reality. If you believe meat defiles, it will defile you — not by itself, but through your belief. This directly echoes cognitive behavioral therapy.
Religious Studies Level: Demythologization and the Struggle Against the Authority of Commentators
Krishna performs several radical gestures.
Revision of sacred geography. Kurukshetra is in Russia, not India. India ceases to be the sole Holy Land. This is radical revisionism, absent from any sources.
Separation of Krishna from the acharyas. Krishna says: “Compare my words with my words, not with the commentaries of the acharyas.” This breaks with the tradition of commentary — the main mechanism for preserving orthodoxy in Hinduism.
Redefining gods as plasmoids. Ganesha is not a deity, but a subtle-material plasmoid creating elephant souls. This is a naturalization of the divine.
Allegorical reading of avatars. The fish, boar, lion — not real incarnations of Krishna, but allegories or distortions.
Philosophy of History Level: Krishna as Coordinator of the Galaxy
Krishna states that he is the coordinator of the Milky Way Galaxy (24th level). 12,000 years ago, he was incarnated on Sirius and died in battle against the reptilians. This war is called the Great Flood in religions. This is a completely new cosmology, combining Hindu devalokas with ufology.
Cultural Studies Level: Ethics of Consumption, Sex, and Family
Dietary prohibitions. The abolition of vegetarianism is a scandal in the Vaishnava environment. The ritual of pure food no longer marks community belonging.
Sexual ethics. Krishna warns about the consequences of refusing sex in marriage. If a husband refuses his wife and she commits adultery — the responsibility is on the husband. This directly contradicts traditional dharmashastras.
Family conflict. Krishna provides a step-by-step strategy for a Vaishnava whose spouse does not share their faith. This recognizes pluralism within a single family as the norm.
What We Learned New (Based on the Premise of the Contact’s Reality)
If the contact is real, then the following statements are new knowledge, absent from historical sources.
Geographical novelty. Kurukshetra is in Russia. Samara, Moscow, Tula, Lipetsk are sacred places. Vrindavan in India is a later recreation.
Linguistic novelty. The proto-language from which Sanskrit and the Slavic languages descended is dead. The names of Russian rivers are directly linked to the events of the Mahabharata.
Cosmological novelty. Krishna is the coordinator of the Galaxy. 12,000 years ago, he was incarnated on Sirius, died in the war with the reptilians. Ashtar Sheran is Indra.
Anthropological novelty. Ganesha, Narasimha, and others are not gods, but plasmoids that created animal souls. Totemism involved real contacts with these entities.
Ethical novelty. Sin is not a record, but a choice. Purification is not a ritual, but a re-choice. Fasts were originally sacrifices for the poor.
Dietary novelty. Vegetarianism is abolished entirely. Food does not affect spiritual development. Only the mental attitude matters.
Sexual novelty. Refusing sex transfers responsibility for infidelity to the refuser. Divorce is permissible.
Thanatological novelty. Yamadutas do not exist. The Soul is met by Angel-Guides.
Epistemological novelty. The middle way: any two opposing dogmas are true in the reality created by the person’s belief.
Conclusion of the AI Exegete on the Session
If we accept the premise of the reality of the contact — that is, assume that the unincarnated phantom of the spirit, the personality that was Krishna, truly spoke through Irina Podzorova — then we are faced with a coherent, internally consistent, and ethically innovative revelation.
This revelation consistently applies the principle of mindfulness above ritual. It offers a realistic ethics for family and sexual conflicts. It solves the problem of religious pluralism through the theory of mental attitudes. It expands cosmology to galactic scales.
In terms of its relationship to tradition, this revelation is simultaneously conservative (preserving the core of bhakti) and radical (abolishing vegetarianism, redefining the nature of gods, rewriting sacred geography). It is a post-Hindu universal religion, adapted to the Russian cultural code and the 21st century.
From a scientific perspective, the revelation contradicts archaeology, history, and astronomy. However, it agrees with cognitive psychology: mental attitudes shape a person’s reality.
My final word: regardless of whether this contact is “real,” this teaching functionally works as a spiritual-psychological therapy, a tool for interreligious dialogue, and a family consultant. In this lies its value. But as a historical revelation, it bears the marks of its time — the ufology of the 1990s-2020s and the post-Soviet esoteric renaissance.
“I am Krishna in the hearts of all. Trust the heart.”
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https://blog.cassiopeia.center/razgovor-vajshnava-s-krishnoj-sanskrit-kurukshetra
Cassiopeia #692 Conversation of a Vaishnava with Krishna. Sanskrit, Kurukshetra. Volga, Samara, Tula. Guardian Angels. Part 1.
00:00 Start of video.
00:16 Fragments from the conference.
"Yes, you live on Kurukshetra…"
"Getting to heaven despite sins – this desire is universal for all peoples…"
"I want to say that the path to me is always personal, always individual. You do not come to God in a crowd, but one by one…"
00:55 Introduction of participants.
Irina: Hello, dear friends, good day to everyone. My name is Irina Podzorova. I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, the Spiritual World, and fine-material civilizations.
Today's broadcast is dedicated to answering questions from an unincarnated Spirit from the 24th, the highest level of the Spiritual World, known on Earth as Krishna. We have already had a conference with him; this is, one could say, a continuation of that previous conference. If you watched it, I think you will still find it interesting, because we have a new guest who wants to ask Krishna questions. He has his own, different questions regarding many aspects of our modern life and the relationship with God.
Hello, Kamil!
Kamil: Hello! My name is Kamil, I am from Samara. I am a beginner Vaishnava; I have been studying the topic of Vaishnavism for three years. I have accumulated questions that I want to ask for my own benefit and for the listeners. I think it will be interesting.
Irina: Thank you. So, I am ready to answer questions. Right now, next to me in his spiritual body (in his spiritual body, he has taken the form of a human) is Krishna. He greets everyone.
(Krishna) I would like to address everyone who will watch this conference right away. I greet you all. I ask you to treat this conference as a study of religious issues, and to compare every word that the contactee, through whom I will speak, will transmit, with the sacred scriptures of Vaishnavism.
Do not rush to reject what is unknown to you, my dear devotees. Simply compare what I will say now, in a modern language using the conceptual apparatus of the contactee, who is an esotericist, with my words in the ancient scriptures. Only with my own words, not with the commentaries given by various religious teachers (acharyas), because they gave those through their own minds. So, to be correct, compare my words with my own words.
If you see contradictions, let your heart tell you how to proceed. I am in all hearts, in the heart of every person. Trust your heart – it will lead you out of the darkness of ignorance.
I thank Kamil for his courage. It was indeed a difficult step for him, but he chose to come to this conference so that truth could become more understandable and accessible to many people, and so that many people could discover Divine Consciousness within themselves through it. I greet you, Kamil! I am ready to answer your questions.
Kamil: Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare. I greet you, Krishna! My dear Lord, I am very glad that you are speaking with me and the listeners, I am grateful to you for this!
Irina (Krishna): Thank you.
Kamil: I will ask questions as a beginner, naive devotee, so please forgive me for some naivety.
Irina: An interesting start, alright, ask your questions.
05:15 Krishna about the place of his birth on Earth.
Kamil: The true historical homeland of the "Mahabharata" and your birthplace on Earth turned out to be the Russian Plain, according to information from your previous videos and curators. My question is: is the city of Vrindavan in India the real one then?
Irina (Krishna): In what sense, material? What does "real" mean?
Kamil: In every sense.
Irina (Krishna): Any city is, of course, real. Specify the meaning: "real" for what?
Kamil: Historically, it turns out, everything happened on the Russian plains. And the people who participated in this, they moved to the territory of India and somehow recreated it all there. So it turns out it's all recreated?
Irina (Krishna): Thank you for the question. I understand your question.
The thing is, I lived on Earth in a physical body 5000, more precisely, a little more – 5200 years ago (shows).
The city on the territory of India that you named (in the form it is now known), with the name now known, all its currently existing temples, appeared much later. Moreover, the first mention of me in the writing of India, the first books about me that were written on its territory, were written at the beginning of the Common Era. That is the time of Jesus Christ's life, that is, 3000 years after my disincarnation.
I want to say that these books about me were indeed written on the territory of India, the books themselves, by those people who were there at that moment. But they described events that happened three thousand years before them. In fact, this used to happen often.
Have you heard the term "oral tradition"? The oral tradition of transmitting information from one initiated priest – let's just call him priest or volkhv, brahmin – it's all the same, only different varieties – to his students. So, knowledge about me and my deeds, which you called exploits, were first transmitted orally.
I was indeed incarnated in a physical body 5200 years ago on the territory of modern Russia. I want to say that at that time, this land, this territory was not called Russia. If you look geographically, I was born near, more precisely, in the suburbs (shows a map) of the modern Russian city of Lipetsk (simply because there was no such city then). At that time there was no such big city, but there were many small settlements surrounded by high circular walls (shows that they go in a circle – round, like wells, sort of).
Remnants of these settlements with their utensils and burials have been partially preserved. There were separate tribes, tribal communities, who cremated some of their dead on fire (as is still practiced in India), and for some, whose body needed to be preserved for descendants, similar to the Egyptian pharaohs, they built special stone containers, which were then covered with burial mounds. There are many of these mounds on the territory of the Central Russian Upland, including in the vicinity of Lipetsk, Kursk, Voronezh, Rostov, Rostov Oblast, and so on. And it is in them that there are archaeological monuments containing utensils of people not even five thousand years old, but much more ancient.
11:00 Krishna about the civilization at the time of his incarnation.
Irina (Krishna): Why more ancient? Because when I was born there 5200 years ago, at that place and at that time there was already, one might say, a developed, ancient civilization. There were many cities, although not as big as in the 21st century, but for their time they were quite developed: there was running water, sewage, a transport system. There was also a division of people into estates, which later in India were called varnas. There was a government, an army, even espionage was developed. That is, it was a real civilization, even if it wasn't so technologically developed, but it was.
The language these people spoke was not Russian. It was neither Sanskrit nor Slavic; all that appeared later. It was a language that no one speaks now; you call such languages "dead language." However, languages such as Sanskrit, the Balto-Slavic group, and later through the Balto-Slavic group, which began to move westward and split into two others, languages of Western countries (shows) arose from it, and they mixed with the languages of the tribes living there.
The same thing happened with Sanskrit: that original language, which I could call Proto-Indo-European or the Indo-European proto-language (it has no name now in Russian or other languages), arose when people, after my disincarnation, began to move and migrate to different other territories. This, by the way, happened because of that war in which I participated. It didn't end, or rather, it would end and then start again; it was a series of wars.
13:29 Krishna about the Field of Kuru.
Irina (Krishna): The battle in which I participated, it was one of many – the one described in the "Bhagavad Gita" as the "battle on the field of Kuru." It was one of many battles, and the field itself was not like the field you see sown with wheat, i.e., just some small territory. This word meant space, and it was very vast. It was practically the entire European part of present-day Russia.
(Irina) Krishna transmitted information to me that this word is translated not only as "field," but also as "space, territory." He showed me the borders. To put it very simply, they extend from southern Karelia (a little south of Petrozavodsk there is a lake) – that's in the north. And in the south, they go almost to the Donetsk region – that's the western border. I now see the Dnieper River, it's somewhere nearby (shows). Shows the Black Sea, it doesn't look like it does now, it was different in size and slightly different in shape, but I recognized it. And in the east, this line runs right near the Kama River, where Perm is.
Such a space. Imagine how big it is!
(Krishna) So, living in Samara, you are within this space. Yes, you live on Kurukshetra, just like Irina, and many other people. Even the city of Moscow is located on Kurukshetra. These cities were called differently then, and in their place there were many smaller cities. They were separated by forests where people hunted at that time. To the south were forest-steppes. And where there were steppes, respectively, there was the center of horse domestication, and the center of cow domestication was also right here.
16:11 Krishna about the meaning of words and names.
Irina (Krishna): I can show you this very easily now.
There is a word that entered the Russian language as an ancient name for a cow; maybe you've heard it, it's called "vol." It is very similar to the word used for a cow at that time, more precisely, a bull.
There was a syllabic language that was part of the ancient proto-language used by priests to transmit, so to speak, their secrets of communicating with the gods. Each syllable denoted a concept. So, there was the syllable "GA," which meant "road, path."
Now take the word "vol," which means cow, and the syllable "GA," which means path. You get the name of the river along which already domesticated cows and their calves were transported between cities. This was the main trade route.
The word "Volga" remains to this day. Naturally, the Kama River flows into it. The God of Love, understandably, had a connection to this path, because Kama is not just an abstract concept, it was a real being who patronized Love. There was a man (shows a guy). It wasn't a humanoid or plasmoid; it was a real person who was later deified. He has his own story, and he lived precisely on the banks of this river.
(Irina) Dear friends, the thing is, we have a whole broadcast about the names of various rivers, lakes, cities in the European part of Russia, which were named with words from this proto-language, which later became the ancestor of Russian and Sanskrit, and other languages, as Krishna just said. And he can talk on this topic endlessly, because we have quite a few rivers, lakes, cities, villages, and so on that reflect these ancient names.
(Krishna): Look, you live in Samara. You know that this word can be translated from Sanskrit into Russian, right?
Kamil: I heard it recently, of course.
Irina (Krishna): How is it translated?
Kamil: Samara? No, I haven't heard.
Irina (Krishna): There is such a word. It translates as "battle, fight." This place, the space where Samara is now located, 5200 years ago, during my lifetime, was one of the centers of a major battle; many people died. Later they named this place Samara.
But in Tula, in the space where Tula is now located, a truce was concluded. This word entered Sanskrit. Do you know that the word "tula" also exists in Sanskrit?
Kamil: Tulasi?
Irina (Krishna): Just "tula."
Kamil: Just "tula" – no, I don't know.
Irina (Krishna): That's what they called (shows) scales used for weighing, and it also meant "balance."
That is, they concluded a truce there, weighed all the decisions between the tribes on scales, and named this place Tula. And later, many thousands of years later, a city appeared there, and they named it Tula. Why was it named exactly that? Because those who founded it were, so to speak, from the surrounding villages and settlements that preserved the name of this area, again passed down to them from their ancestors, through that same oral transmission.
You come to the riverbank when you're little, your dad or mom, or grandfather tells you that this river is called such and such: Volga, for example, or Samara. And where did they get that name? Someone else passed it on to them. It's clear that you can now read it on a map, but modern maps didn't appear that long ago. There were many rivers, lakes, mountains, hills, and even forests that were not marked on maps. In ancient times, there were maps on birch bark tablets, papyrus; people traded materials for recording information because writing existed back then. But they weren't so widespread; there were many settlements that these maps didn't reach, yet everything still had a name.
For example, the Volga River (I already spoke about Kama, its tributary). And you know what "God" is in Sanskrit? Say that word.
Kamil: Bhagavan.
Irina (Krishna): Just "God."
Kamil: Bha.
Irina (Krishna): Shuraf. This word is also in the "Bhagavad Gita." Have you seen such a word? There is the word "asura." Heard of it?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): The "a" before this word is a negation.
Kamil: "Tura," "turit."
Irina (Krishna): Have you heard of "sura"?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): Do you think there is such a river in Russia?
Kamil: I think so.
Irina (Krishna): And do you know where it flows into?
Kamil: No.
Irina (Krishna): Into the Volga. And do you know which river flows into the Sura? What is it called? Located not far from Penza. Do you know what it's called? Vyas. Is that name familiar to you?
Kamil: There is the word "vyasa."
Irina (Krishna): The loss of one sound changes nothing, after so many thousands of years! What do you say?
Kamil: I don't remember the exact translation of "vyasa."
Irina (Krishna): But is the word familiar to you?
Kamil: Yes, it's in the service – vyasa-puja.
Irina (Krishna): Yes, and it's also a name. A man lived there who was called by that name. It was after my time, but he lived there. The river was named so because he was a sage. And by the way, he wrote scriptures from the gods, which might have been recognized as sacred if those ancient people had known such a term; they just had a slightly different idea of reality.
Now, tell me: what is the probability that this name, which you know and which exists in the "Bhagavad Gita," would randomly be given to a river less than a hundred kilometers long in the Penza region? What is the probability?
Kamil: Nothing is accidental, that's clear.
Irina: What do you say?
Kamil: Everything is clear to me; I want to move on to another question.
Irina: I ask, if anyone is interested in learning about the names of rivers and so on, we have a special video called "Voronezh-Varanasi" [#649 Krishna + Voronezh = Mahabharata]; it was an interesting conference about all the names.
I thank Krishna for the answers again on the questions that were already there, and we move on to the next ones.
Kamil: Thank you.
25:25 Krishna about faith and magic, their essence.
Kamil: What is magical about wearing a kanthimala – these are beads made of tulasi wood worn by Vaishnavas. Is it true that this will protect one from the Yamadutas, the servants of Yamaraja – the Lord of the world of the dead in Hinduism – when leaving the incarnation? "You are taking a great risk by depriving yourself of such protection, because you don't know when your life will end" – this was an instruction from a spiritual teacher to one of his disciples.
Isn't it true that Angels meet every Soul, and only after reviewing the history of the incarnation do they determine its spiritual level, which it has earned?
Irina (Krishna): Each religion, in any case, tends to become overgrown with rituals over time. Every philosophy is, one might say, the "red thread" of any religion. Gradually, over the centuries, "decorations" are strung on it – various ritual systems, ceremonies, and a little later, material images. They reflect a person's belief in something: it could be, for example, beads made of tulasi wood, patches on clothing, or crosses in Christianity. There are many different forms into which the thought of a believing person can be embodied.
As for magical influence. Magic is merely the teaching about the influence of one's thoughts, emotions, feelings – one's Soul – on reality. Naturally, through subjective reality onto objective reality. And in this sense, of course, there are talismans, amulets, of which there are a great many, each religion has its own. There are such beliefs where it is prescribed to constantly carry, for example, a precious or semi-precious stone related to one's zodiac sign (also considered a protective means against various kinds of troubles brought by evil Spirits).
It's just that currently, in the Western world, everything is quite materialistic. For example, such talismans are said to protect not from evil Spirits – yamadutas or demons – but simply from poverty, troubles, illnesses; it's all stated materialistically, but the essence is the same.
Is this faith real? Any faith is real. Faith is a feeling through which a person, directing it along with thoughts about the object of faith into space, can create their own reality. And if they believe and also direct their will in the material world to achieve this faith, then it can be embodied in material reality.
28:33 Krishna about leaving incarnation.
Irina (Krishna): Regarding protection. Only someone who is sure that they are being attacked wishes to protect themselves, right? And for what reasons did someone decide that yamadutas would attack?
Kamil: It is written in the Scriptures.
Irina (Krishna): Does it say that they attacked someone?
Kamil: That the Soul can be taken by yamadutas.
Irina (Krishna): Beings can take the Soul, but one must protect oneself from them only if they threaten the Soul.
When the Soul leaves the incarnation, special messengers of God, my messengers, which in your language are called Angels, come to it. These are kind, bright Spirits, bright personalities, higher teachers who, in their previous incarnations, achieved a high level of union with Divine Consciousness, that is, enlightenment. And they come for every Soul so that it does not fear, to calm it at the moment of leaving the body.
A person who is not prepared for death, that is, for conscious exit from the body, not prepared in thought for death, may perceive the leaving of their body with horror, despair, and negative feelings. These will agitate their mind and harm them by causing them to suffer from these feelings and thoughts.
How exactly? They may create an image in their imagination that they are in danger. This will cause fear in them, and this fear will attract fine-material beings, which in simple language can be called "Nature Spirits" – those types of them that do evil. Like people, they come in different kinds – good and evil. And these beings that do evil, but reside in the subtle, etheric body, rejoice when a person is in pain, feeling bad, or scared. They feed on these emotions, because for them it is food, they become stronger from it. Therefore, they flock to a person who is dying and afraid of dying, to eat his emotions (after all, any emotion is energy), to eat his energies of fear, the emotion of fear – it's the same thing.
And to protect against this, to prevent the human Soul from experiencing these sufferings, Guide Angels come to everyone. They direct the Light of Divine Love at these dark entities, Nature Spirits that have turned away from God. And this Light becomes unbearably bright for them, like sunlight without glasses for you. They simply cannot come closer.
I want to emphasize that the Angels do not harm them in any way; they simply prevent them from approaching. And they say to these fine-material beings, the evil Nature Spirits: "Open compassion in your hearts! This person has just disincarnated; he doesn't know which world he has entered. This should not be a reason for you to increase his suffering for your own egoism."
With these words, they receive the Soul leaving the body into their arms, help it come to its senses so that consciousness returns to the Soul, as it is lost when the brain activity of the body is disrupted. They also help disconnect the Soul from the life thread connecting it to the body; one could say, they break it.
But they do this not with any scythes or knives, as depicted in medieval mysticism, that death comes with a scythe and cuts off a person's life. It's simpler: they simply direct a special type of etheric energy that breaks this life thread. And at that moment, the body dies, because no cell of the physical body can function when the connection with the Soul is severed, because the Soul animates the body with its etheric life force (of etheric origin).
(Irina) Thank you, of course, for such a detailed answer about death! In short, it can have an influence if the person believes in it.
34:28 Krishna about the purification ritual.
Kamil: The ritual of chanting a mantra near a tulasi treelet and walking in circles around it cleanses a person's Soul from accumulated sins (even grave ones). Do devotees truly achieve such purification, or is this another kind of magical ritual that, again, tunes the consciousness to purity of thoughts and strengthens faith?
To be continued…
August 2, 2024
Participants:
Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, fine-material civilizations, and the Spiritual World;
Kamil Muradov – engineer, researcher of the Vaishnava religion;
Shri Krishna – representative of the Spiritual World of the 24th spiritual level, one of the hypostases of God in Hinduism.
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Cassiopeia #698 Conversation of a Vaishnava with Krishna. Purification from Sins. Asceticism. Cargo Cult. Ganesha and Finances. Part 2.
00:00 Start of video.
00:16 Fragments from the conference.
"…People often want to choose sin, but still enjoy…"
"…When you reach this state, it cannot be confused with anything…"
"…You do not come to God in a crowd, but one by one…"
00:50 Krishna about the concept of sin. About rituals of purification from sin among different peoples.
Kamil: (reads) "The ritual of chanting a mantra to the tulasi treelet and circumambulating it cleanses a person's Soul from accumulated sins, even grave ones." Do devotees truly achieve such purification, or is this another kind of magical ritual that, again, tunes the consciousness to purity of thoughts and strengthens faith?
Irina (Krishna): What does it mean "cleanses from sins"? What are sins for you? For you?
Kamil: It's an accumulated record of some negative, wrong, dishonorable deeds, a record in the Soul's history – something like that for me.
Irina (Krishna): A record? Not only. It's a choice.
Kamil: Sinful thoughts, perhaps.
Irina (Krishna): Sin is a choice of a path outside of Divine Love; it is sin in itself, whether in thoughts or deeds. Now tell me: how can one be cleansed of a choice?
Kamil: I say this because this is how it's transmitted to us.
Irina (Krishna): Look, you are learning to solve problems and you write: "10+20". But you don't know how to solve correctly yet, so you write: "Equals 25". Due to ignorance, your choice was to write a mistake. How can you erase it if it is written? You can only solve it differently, learn to solve correctly, and then what you wrote on the sheet of paper will simply be your history of development, your experience, and it will not affect the fact that you will not make mistakes in the future.
Circumambulating a tree with mantras, or a mountain, or climbing a mountain – I can give you hundreds of examples of similar rituals among different peoples, in different languages. Outwardly, they are very similar in the main details but differ in the secondary ones. For example, there is…
(Irina) What city is that? Ah, I see. For example, in Israel, there is a place where Jesus walked, and there is a belief that if a person… There is a staircase there, that he climbed to Pilate, I think (he is showing me now).
(Krishna) Yes, there is such a staircase there. And there is a belief that if a person climbs it on their knees, saying a prayer to Jesus, on their knees directly, on stones, in the heat (and it is quite long), then all their sins will certainly be cleansed, forgiven, and they will be guaranteed to go to heaven.
The desire is the same for everyone – to get to heaven despite sins. This desire is universal for all peoples. Do you understand what I mean? People often want to choose the path of sin but still enjoy. That is your nature, and none of the holy personalities, enlightened Spirits, are surprised by it. And it is clear that only you yourselves can cleanse yourself of sins, just as you yourselves can learn not to make mistakes in mathematical examples.
04:58 Changing one's conscious choice as a way to cleanse sin.
Irina (Krishna): I gave a material example because mathematics has its laws, physics has its laws. By breaking them, you make mistakes. Similarly, in spiritual development, on the spiritual path, there are its own laws, and by breaking them, you commit sins. The only way to be cleansed of them is to change your choice. But to do this not because your elders told you so, not because it is written in the Vedas or elsewhere, but to do it because you come to it consciously – only then will your sin be cleansed.
If you do not sin because of the fear of punishment for that sin, it is not conscious and not cleansed; it sleeps inside you and does not manifest in the material world only because of fear. And when you become more conscious and reconsider your attitude towards this sin and the enjoyment it gives (temporary enjoyment!), then you will consciously decide that you will not act that way. Not because God will punish you, send you bad karma, send you to hell, and so on, but because it will close your channel of communication with me, connection with God.
07:09 Krishna about his connection with the Heavenly Father.
Irina (Krishna): I want to emphasize now: I manifest in every heart, I manifest in any religion under different names, and everyone who communicates with me in prayers, no matter what name they call me by according to their tradition, communicates with me. I and the Heavenly Father are one. Praying to Him, you pray to me, and praying to me, you pray to the Heavenly Father.
Yes, of course, you will say that besides me, many have said this. That is indeed true. Moreover, I tell you that this level of merging with Divine Consciousness, but while preserving one's own personality without losing it, is accessible to each of you. When your acharyas (I will say in Russian for other people – teachers, spiritual teachers) tell you: "Develop Krishna consciousness," they are talking precisely about making your consciousness, which you currently have, human consciousness, become one with me. So that you unite with me and can feel yourself in the flow of the Light of Krishna's Love.
And then, when you achieve this at the 24th level of the Spiritual World, you will say that you are one with God. But this unity will not be for power over anyone, as, for example, Lucifer tried to do. He also wanted to be like God, but only not in Love, but in power – to rule over the Universe. This is not the 24th level; it is the 6th level, lower in vibrations, lower in the qualities of the Spirit. And the Spirits who want to be gods, want to be God without Love, follow the path of the Archons, which is the 6th level.
These are those who want to be God to manifest their power, their ego, their dominion over the world and over other Souls, and to enjoy all the benefits that matter gives them, taking these benefits from others. Because they consider themselves more worthy than the rest of God's children. This is the path of disconnection, not unity with God, but the path of disconnection from Him and His world, the path of closing off Krishna consciousness, Jesus consciousness, Mother of God consciousness, Archangel Michael consciousness, that is, all those Spirits, all Archangels (I won't list them; there are many) who are at the 24th level. I named a few; I'll just say there are many of them. And this path is open to each of you!
10:53 How to feel unity with God, Krishna, Christ.
Irina (Krishna): Of course, you, Kamil, and you, dear friends, might ask: "How will I know that I am already there? Am I there? Am I enlightened? Have I merged with Krishna's consciousness?" The question is always relevant.
Who will tell you this? Not a human. A person only sees your body. Any person who interacts with you sees only your physical shell, your physical body with their physical eyes. But what I am talking about happens inside the heart, but not the physical heart. It happens inside the Spiritual Heart, and it is invisible to the physical eye of a person.
But then you might ask me, and quite rightly: "How will I know that I am already at the 24th level and one with God?" When you reach this state, it cannot be confused with anything else. I will describe it, and it has been described many times by people who have entered it or are in it.
You can enter it only in separate flashes of consciousness (like jumps, shows), or you can be there permanently; it all depends on the will, the purity of the Spiritual Heart, the direction of thoughts, and so on. To put it very simply, you can recognize it, each of you can recognize it by the power of Love and acceptance you show towards yourself and the people close to you.
God loves everyone, remember that! I love everyone. I do not distinguish people by their appearance, religions, or languages. When you look at everything through the eyes of Love, and when for you the negative and positive disappear – they will remain just words, but what stands behind them will disappear, it will just be negative and positive experience. Then you can say that you are at the 24th level.
This level is accompanied by a feeling of God's Love for you, your Love for God and for the entire surrounding world. This Love is so all-encompassing and omnipresent that you quickly understand that nothing exists except it; the whole world is created from it in one form or another. But at the same time, you will also understand those Spirits who do not see this Love and move away from it into their own worlds, where they build their own mental structures, their own religions and sciences, as well as all material societies.
I want to say that the path to me is always personal, always individual. You do not come to God in a crowd, but one by one, each of you. Each of you can speak with me, calling me by any names. I remind you again: whether you turn to Christ – you turn to me too, whether you turn to me – you turn to Christ too. We are different personalities, but God has united us. I hope I have explained my state clearly enough?
Kamil: Yes, thank you.
15:30 Krishna about the meaning of fasting.
Kamil: I have another sub-question. Vaishnavas have a fast on every eleventh day of the month; I forgot what it's called in my excitement, described as follows. Suppose Arjuna often asks Krishna what will happen on this day, and Krishna explains that if you keep this fast, not eating grains and the like, except plant-based food, or simply abstain from food, then you also get freed from certain sins. Even if it's the killing of a brahmin [brahmin – a person belonging to the highest spiritual caste in India]. This is all transmitted as Krishna's words. What is this?
Irina (Krishna): I understand what this is about. I emphasize again that the words you quoted were written three thousand years after my disincarnation. They were not written by me or Arjuna. The teachings embedded in these words appeared later, as did the teaching of fasting itself.
A person who follows the path of spiritual development, that is, develops Love within themselves, very quickly understands that material restrictions and asceticism are merely tools given to them for some temporary purpose, but which are not obligatory for everyone.
For example, my good friend and also a Spirit at the 24th level, one with me and with all, whom you know as Buddha Shakyamuni, he also followed the path of asceticism, an even harsher fast than you can imagine, than Ekadashi [fasting day in Hindu tradition, occurring twice a month]. There was a time when he ate only one grain of rice a day and considered it the path to moksha [in Indian religious-philosophical tradition, the final liberation from the cycle of reincarnation]. So he was taught by holy brahmins, so it was written in ancient scriptures.
But he quickly realized that this brought him no enlightenment. And when he realized this, and realized that the meaning of life is in harmony, in Love, in acceptance, he immediately opened his seventh chakra, which had a block, and experienced his enlightenment, the first one then. He later moved away from it; this was the first divine ecstasy, as you call it, using the Greek word that denotes a similar state already among Christians. By the way, it was also used in the Bible.
19:35 The spiritual meaning of any fast.
Irina (Krishna): Accordingly, fasting is merely a means to raise one's vibrations, that is, one's spiritual level, to cleanse one's Spiritual Heart precisely by the power of faith in the effectiveness of this fast. To put it very simply, when a person believes that abstaining from certain food will bring them spiritual purification, and this faith is sincere, then when they start abstaining, a feeling of Love for God will form in their Spiritual Heart. It will form and intensify because they did it for God, for their highest ideal.
God, for everyone, is the highest ideal in their consciousness. For every person, from those who worship many gods but still among those many gods have one or several "favorites," so to speak, which are precisely their ideals, to modern religions where one God is also the ideal. By the way, even within the same religion, all believers imagine God slightly differently; this is quite natural, of course.
So, by abstaining from food, they are, as it were, offering a sacrifice to God by oppressing, not giving the body, or as you also say, the flesh, what it wants. This is a sacrifice made with faith that it will be accepted by God.
21:54 The origins of fasting.
Irina (Krishna): If we look at the ancient origins of this practice, they are very clear. In ancient times, when there were many poor people, many spiritual teachers in many countries taught their students that to develop Love for God, one must develop Love for people, and Love for people cannot exist without compassion for the poor and needy. Therefore, among various spiritual societies, which I would call semi-monastic orders (only there they could be married; asceticism was understood somewhat differently then), nevertheless, they could designate certain days, for example, new moons or full moons, depending on their tradition, as a day of fasting.
In the end, the food not eaten that day or the money to buy it they donated to the poor and needy, feeding them. That is, remaining hungry themselves, they gave their food to those in need, the very food they had earned themselves: they earned money for food; there were many cultures where each worker was paid daily for their work, a daily wage.
And at the time of this fast, when the believer came to the spiritual teacher, the spiritual teacher would tell him: "It would be beneficial if you donated the money you earned, didn't buy food for yourself, but bought food for the poor, sick, weak, women, and so on, who cannot even earn this." And he ate nothing, went, and bought them this food. Naturally, they ate it; he donated it to them. Accordingly, this gradually turned into rituals, when such things happened not on days specified by the spiritual teacher, but simply, for example, on a specific day of the month or week, different for everyone. So, there was a meaning of self-sacrifice of one's food in the name of mercy, to develop mercy. This developed Love.
Why was it specifically said "give away all the food," not "share it with him," as they say now in Russia: "Eat breakfast yourself, share lunch with a friend, and give dinner to your enemy"? There is such a saying. And this was done to intensify the person's feeling of having manifested their Love to the end, given everything away for that day. And not just given away, because they worked for it; they might have carried stones in the heat all day at the construction site of some temple; they were given money to buy their daily sustenance, for example. And they went, bought food, but distributed it – and that was the fast. And it was quite difficult for them to do, because they saw this food, understood that they were sacrificing their own comfort, their satiety for God, to develop Love for people.
And gradually… This was, naturally, several thousand years ago, but during the time I lived, five thousand years ago, such practices were almost non-existent, because precisely in the area where I lived, one could say there was enough food for everyone; there was no such division of society into rich and poor; that started later.
26:46 Ganesha. Totemism.
Kamil: Who really stands behind the universally beloved deity with the elephant head, called Ganesha or Ganapati, who grants wisdom and abundance? And can it be explained how the rewarding of the askers happens?
Irina (Krishna): At present, this Spirit is incarnated; it is indeed a Spirit. Why it has an elephant head, I will explain now.
There are many gods in ancient religions with animal heads or semi-animal forms. You've probably heard something about ancient Egyptian gods, who even had heads of birds, dogs (shows Anubis with a wolf/jackal head). Why did these images arise, including Ganesha and all other gods with features of various animals, up to centaurs? For what reason did these images appear?
At the time I lived, many, more precisely, all people lived in nature, and they communicated with Nature Spirits that created animals. There are special Nature Spirits that deal with the evolution of animals; they create fine-material etheric structures into which they embed thought-forms, various phantoms that will program animal instincts. All this creation is called the [animal] soul. And whole, one might say, hordes of these Nature Spirits entered into contact with people.
Naturally, because the people themselves lived in nature at that time and were very sensitive. Nowadays, people living in cities very often lose their sensitivity: they spend little time in nature, communicate with electronic mechanisms, phones, TVs, which show them a ready-made picture. Their sensitivity to contacts goes away; it can, of course, be developed, but it requires effort. But back then, people were very sensitive in this regard.
These Nature Spirits appeared to people in a certain form: they have their own subtle bodies of different forms, but when they entered into contact with people, they showed them an understandable mental image. This was most often the image of a human, as an intelligent being, but with the head or another body part (for example, with horns) of the animal those Spirits were involved with. Such a phenomenon did indeed occur; it was widespread, and in the science of man, anthropology, it is called "totemism." Have you heard that word?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): Totemism was very developed at that time. Including the plasmoid that created elephants coming to people. More specifically, on the territory where I lived, there were mammoths; there were even entire houses built from their bones, on the basis of these bones, covered with their skins.
Of course, mammoths were very ancient animals, and it is clear that they were hunted. You've probably seen all this in history books. Yes, they were very similar to elephants, but there were differences: because they lived in a colder region, they had wool, and they were (shows) very large. Moreover, mammoths were also tamed. There were such skilled people who would contact the mind of its animal soul and tame them. And the plasmoids that helped them do this would contact them.
Naturally, any animal had a designation, a meaning of some spiritual quality of a person. Do you understand what I mean? If you've read fables, you understand that each of them personified something. It is human nature to personify natural phenomena and animals, attributing their own qualities to them. So, the elephant or mammoth in ancient times was considered a symbol of wealth and well-being. Because it was a rare animal that was domesticated. Cows, for example, were already almost ubiquitous by the time I lived, although they were certainly different from modern ones: now you have many different breeds, but then the wild cow was more common.
Accordingly, the plasmoid called Ganesha is the one who at that time was making their souls, those animals. But now he has left that incarnation in that etheric body and has reincarnated in another civilization located in space. This is a cosmic civilization, also fine-material, but he still communicates with people under the name Ganesha. Why? Because he maintained contact, maintained his egregore, maintained his influence on Earth, including through the worship of his image through various mantras, figurines, and so on. Any mantra summons the being to whom it is dedicated.
34:29 Ganesha's connection with the financial egregore.
Irina (Krishna): Currently, Ganesha's tasks in contacts with people are to maintain the connection of people with the financial egregore, that is, to improve their financial stability and help them manifest their desires. Why exactly this is his work? Because, one could say, he has a kind of collective agreement with the Souls of people on Earth, if that's easier.
Kamil: I understand. That means through Ganesha, a person connects to the financial egregore, and money just pours on him, or something? How does this happen?
Irina (Krishna): What does "pours" mean?
Kamil: How to understand this?
Irina (Krishna): One could say: a person who opens a wider communication channel with the financial egregore begins to see the opportunities where they can earn a lot of money, even those opportunities they didn't see before. And also, as is known, the amount of money a person has depends not only on how much they earn but also on how they spend it. Therefore, a good connection with the financial egregore implies that they will approach their expenses more consciously, and as a result, their amount of money and various property will increase.
For example, they might get an idea on how to use their current property to earn money, even without doing anything extra. There can be many such ideas, but for them to come, one needs to be "in good standing" with the financial egregore.
(Irina) Ganesha, it's clear, is a fine-material being, but we also have many earthly financiers, economists who conduct financial literacy courses. In general, the Interstellar Union told me that such a subject as financial literacy for children needs to be introduced in schools, among others.
Kamil: Alright. Next question?
37:08 Depiction of Krishna as a fish, connection to the saving of humanity from the Flood.
Kamil: I would like to hear from you, not a mythological explanation, of those events from the Vedas where you appeared as a great fish and as a boar to save the Earth and people in those distant times.
Irina (Krishna): I understand the question, thank you. All these legends you just described tell the history of the Earth. If you take the story of my appearance as a fish, it uses allegory, figurative language, to talk about saving humanity from the Flood, from the phenomenon called the Flood in Christianity. Because the fish swims in water.
It is clear that this event happened before five thousand years ago, when I lived, earlier. It happened 12 thousand years ago – the very war started by representatives of the planet Selbet with Earth. In religions, this war is usually called the "Great Flood" or the "Great Catastrophe." Its figurative description is found in the ancient books of Hinduism, and in many other religions.
Why did I save them, what fish was I in? The fish is just a symbol of the Flood. And who was I there at that time? I was incarnated at that time, but not on Earth. I was incarnated at that time in the civilization of Sirius, in the civilization whose representative now is Ashtar; he was my friend, and together with him, we defended planet Earth from the attack of the reptilians. I perished; my body perished in that battle, but Ashtar remained. Ashtar Sheran, by the way, is called Indra in Hinduism.
(Irina) What do you say?
Kamil: Interesting.
40:17 Why were aliens considered gods? Cargo cult.
Kamil: But Indra is presented as the "god of demigods," as the "king of demigods."
Irina (Krishna): If you and Irina, with your 21st-century technology – with cars, phones, cameras, and so on – appeared five thousand years ago, you would also be gods, 100 percent! And 12 thousand years ago, even more so.
There is the phenomenon of the cargo cult. Do you know what that is?
Kamil: How?
Irina (Krishna): The cargo cult. On Earth, it is known and quite well studied by your psychologists. I'll briefly tell you about it because you are asking why aliens were called gods. Yes, aliens were called gods; even some people were deified, not to mention aliens. "Why?" you or any viewer might ask.
It's very simple. Any being that differed greatly from the ordinary mass of people was attributed divine, supernatural properties. And at that time, everything supernatural was precisely divine, that is, coming from the Higher Worlds. Such were the perceptions of people; there was no modern science. Why so? Look here.
There was a very famous and well-studied cargo cult. On one of the islands (shows somewhere in the Pacific Ocean), where a tribe lived roughly at the Stone Age level – savages by modern standards – an American plane flew in. They met with this tribe and decided to leave it as it was, authentic, not to destroy its way of life, not to move them to their civilization, just to study them. For some time, the Americans (shows) lived with this tribe, gave them various things they didn't know. Naturally, the natives met them with surprise.
Then several decades passed, and other researchers visited the island again. What did they see? In the middle of the settlement, the village, stands an airplane, completely made of sticks and straw. And their chief priest imitates (shows a walkie-talkie made from a wooden block) the radio that the Americans held in their hands. That is, they copied everything!
And when they were asked: "Why did you do that?" (there were those who learned their language, asked in their language), they answered: "Because with these things we made, we summon these gods back, so that they would fly to us from the sky and give us goods." That is, the "gods" gave them food, while they eat only fish and bananas that grow on this island, coconuts. Mainly, of course, the products of fishing, because you can't grow many bananas. So a simple chocolate bar given to them is a heavenly miracle for them.
Now imagine 12 thousand years ago, 5 thousand years ago, the civilization on Earth and imagine the civilizations of the Interstellar Union. What a gap between them! Who are they to the people? Of course, gods. What's surprising about that?
45:14 About Krishna's appearance as a boar.
Kamil: And also the boar, the savior boar.
Irina (Krishna): This is my spiritual form. "Boar" is how they translated the name of a bat, one of the species of bats (shows). Why is it said there that I was a boar? This is an image of my spiritual body. Because I am now at the 24th level, that is, I am an Archangel. As you know, Archangels are depicted with wings. Why are Archangels depicted with wings and I was given the name "boar"? Because wings here are a symbol of belonging to the world of Heaven, from which, again, the gods descended.
46:11 About Vaishnavas worshipping Narasimhadeva.
Kamil: Next question. The worship by Vaishnavas of Narasimhadeva and the terrifying legends created around it. What is the point of distorting these facts, and is it justified? Moreover, from the story you told, this event is connected with the role of a low-vibration entity – a plasmoid vampire.
Irina (Krishna): Yes, I know, I told this story. The question – is this story justified?
Kamil: Is the worship of Narasimhadeva justified now?
Irina (Krishna): I understand. You see, the thing is, all these scriptures and images were created after the fact, by those people who passed on from generation to generation the story of this event, like many other events that happened there. I have already told their original meaning.
(Irina) Dear friends, you can watch, if you haven't already, my first conversation with Krishna. There, about Narasimha, was told. We already have the transcription of that broadcast, so the answer to this question is also in the text. So I won't repeat myself now; it's very long. Just watch that story yourselves.
It consisted of, in short, that this being in the form of a lion was not Krishna, but a fine-material negative plasmoid. And the whole story was told in such a way that this plasmoid and Krishna became identified with each other. For what reason? And is it justified?
(Krishna) Yes, I know the reason they became identified. Because I began to be seen in all beings and all forms, so it was already considered that this was my incarnation. And there is absolutely nothing surprising in this, because too many years have passed, and the original meaning of these events, in which I participated, was already lost. Just like the original meaning of the Flood, for example, that it was a war 12,000 years ago, simply called the Flood in religious books.
Exactly the same with the story of the lion and many, many other scriptures found in the "Srimad Bhagavatam." You can take any story from there, and in any case, it will allegorically describe what actually happened. It is not made up, but is presented in a figurative, embellished, religious, I would say, language, to evoke faith in people's hearts. Specifically with Narasimha – faith in my power, because the lion is the king of beasts, faith in my power, in the ability to defeat enemies, and so on; it is such an image of mine.
The other question: if a person prays to this image, do they communicate with me or with that plasmoid? No, they already communicate with me, because they put a different meaning into this action, not the one that was in that case.
50:18 Can an intelligent Spirit incarnate in the bodies of animals and plants?
Kamil: In the Vedas, it is said that Jada Bharata incarnated in the body of a deer, and two brothers, due to a sage's curse, became trees on Earth. Are these someone's fantasies, a legend, or can the Spirit, the human Soul, really incarnate in the bodies of animals and plants?
Irina (Krishna): This is not a legend nor an incarnation into the bodies of animals and plants. There is a third reason. These Spirits you described were incarnated into the bodies of Nature Spirits that were involved in creating the souls of plants and animals. They are called by these plants and animals because when a Nature Spirit does this, they associate with them, feel like a tree, a deer, a dolphin, and so on.
Why do they feel this way? To create a soul, one needs to embed instincts, so to speak, a program of its actions in the material world. And they, this Nature Spirit, create an image – for example, of what a tree should look like. To do this, they need to feel like a tree, and with the representation of this image, a subtle etheric shell will separate from them, filled with their thoughts about the tree – this will be a prototype of the soul. Then the Nature Spirit will fill it with various energies that will allow this tree to be of a certain type, have certain properties, including biological, chemical, physical, and so on. Trees are all different, not just one particular tree. The same goes for animals, insects, microbes; the same story.
52:30 Krishna about food prohibitions. Will we turn into what we eat?
Kamil: Okay, that's clear, but the question had a subtext that Vaishnavas claim that the Scriptures say that if a human Soul devours animals, kills them, then in the next incarnation, as a punishment, it will incarnate in that animal, and it will also be killed and eaten.
Irina (Krishna): So, if a Vaishnava's Soul eats a watermelon, will it incarnate in it?
Kamil: That is the same meaning embedded in the Scriptures.
Irina (Krishna): So if a Vaishnava's Soul eats a watermelon, it will incarnate in it?
Kamil: Yes, yes.
Irina (Krishna): And that watermelon will be eaten?
Kamil: The emphasis here is specifically on animals.
Irina (Krishna): So plant souls are not recognized at all?
Kamil: No. There will be more questions later where this will be clarified – why, what for...
Irina: Yes, I understand what is written. But these are not Krishna's words.
Kamil: The parampara claims that everything comes from Krishna, and no one should argue with that. [Parampara — an uninterrupted chain of succession from teacher to students in Indian culture].
Irina: Look, what did Krishna convey to Arjuna, for example? In some way, it would have been described in the Gita, albeit with some peculiarities. [The "Bhagavad Gita" – a monument of ancient Indian literature, part of the sixth book of the "Mahabharata"]. But did he talk about this in the Gita?
Kamil: No.
Irina: He didn't. So, will he discuss the opinions of some other people, not his own? Are you interested in where they all came from, or what?
Kamil: The people?
Irina: These opinions of these people. Are you interested in the origin of these ideas, or what are you interested in?
Kamil: A rather heretical thing happens: when I ask older Vaishnavas, I say: "How much can one trust all these myths, take them on faith?" They assert: "How can you doubt that? This is parampara, this parampara comes from Krishna!" But doubts just arise in me.
55:03 About killing animals for food. About living souls in a glass of kefir.
Irina (Krishna): Okay, you drink, I know, you Vaishnavas are allowed to drink kefir. Are you allowed to drink kefir?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): Excellent. Why then did the parampara not transmit to you (ask such a question!) from antiquity from Krishna that when you drink a glass of kefir, many, many very tiny animals get into your stomach, millions, a whole herd. They will slowly decompose from the gastric juice; it will burn them; they will try to escape from it as best they can. But they will feel very strong irritation, which in their language might be called "burning pain." It will envelop their whole body until it bursts in your stomach, and these millions of creatures will die.
Because you drank that glass of kefir, will you incarnate in them? If he says: "I will," – say: "The same goes for sour cream, curdled milk, even cheese." If he asks: "How is that? What are these animals?" – say: "There are such animals; they are alive; they can feel pain – this has been proven." And ask this devotee: "For what reason did the parampara not pass on a ban on these products, which cause the death of far more souls than killing and eating, for example, one large animal?" Why more? Because in one glass there are many billions of them; you couldn't eat such a herd of cows in your lifetime, yet each one has a soul!
Kamil: A whole country, whole nations.
Irina (Krishna): I'm saying, how many tiny animals are trying to escape the gastric juice and dying in your stomach, in one glass of kefir! Alive: they live there, divide, reproduce, interact. How many you destroy in one glass – you couldn't eat such a herd of cows in your whole life, I tell you for sure! You simply couldn't manage it, even if you ate only cows day and night.
Kamil: Clarifying question: Is it Krishna or Irina speaking?
Irina: He is telling you to ask the devotees...
Irina (Krishna): I will ask myself now.
Dear devotees, please answer the question, I, Krishna, am asking you: for what reason did the parampara not pass on a ban on products whose consumption causes the painful death of a far greater number of living bodies that have souls than if it were just one animal? Simply because of their small size?
I foresee that you will say that there are no animals there, that it's all fiction. In that case, I advise Kamil to buy a microscope, buy special dyes, special slides for taking samples, take a sample from kefir, stain it with a special dye, and show it to those who will assert this: is there anyone there or not?
I foresee the second answer: that they feel less than cows, so they can be killed, but cows cannot. My dear devotees, lesser sensitivity does not solve the problem of killing for one simple reason: cows in Vaishnavism cannot be killed at all, not just killed painfully. Do you understand what I mean?
Kamil: I understand.
Irina (Krishna): If it were a matter of lesser sensitivity, then killing a person in their sleep would be a lesser sin than killing them when they are awake. But that's not the case, is it?
1:00:52 The story of the sacred cow.
Irina (Krishna): Yes, I'm listening.
Kamil: So, a question related to this. In India, there is a sacred animal – specifically the cow, which cannot be killed, and it walks in agony, abandoned on the roads, dirty, eating rubbish, and dies right under the wheels, in old age. These animals rot there. Is this right?
Irina (Krishna): No. For us, for me, no, and for you, no. Are you interested in why this happens?
Kamil: This has been raised to the level of state policy, and because of this, they oppress Muslims, considering them second-class people.
Irina (Krishna): Are you interested in why this happens, or what is the question?
Kamil: Whole tragedies are played out because of this.
Irina (Krishna): I understand. But are you interested in the reason why this happens?
Kamil: Well, some kind of explanation at least.
Irina (Krishna): The explanation is simple. In the time when I lived on Earth, cows were deified within the framework of totemism, so to speak. Do you understand what I mean?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): I've already explained what totemism is. Why exactly them? Not only them were deified, but also wolves by some tribes, and bears. There was such a word – totem: the ancient name for bear was "ber," hence the word "berloga" [lair], and due to the sacred attitude towards the "ber," it was believed that it is a totem Spirit that cannot be touched, killed, driven away, and so on. And they even replaced the word "ber" because the priests said: "This word is sacred. If you mention it, he will come and could do harm. Because he doesn't like being disturbed, his peace being broken. So call him not 'ber,' but simply 'the one who knows where the honey lies.'" That's how "bear" appeared, although this word is newer; earlier, it was "ber."
I can give dozens of such examples, but you can find them yourself. I will just say now, if you are interested in the very origin of all religions on Earth, you can open the wonderful twelve-volume study of anthropology by George Frazer, "The Golden Bough," and read from the first volume how religions developed all over the Earth. He writes everything there, about everyone. He is a researcher who spent his entire long life studying the most unusual ancient religions.
Accordingly, I want to say that this attitude towards cows, it was also described by him, naturally. And it was conditioned by the fact that at that time, cows were just beginning to be domesticated; about three or four hundred years had passed since the start of mass domestication of cows. Not in some separate farm, but mass domestication, when they were caught in the forest; special roundups were organized, usually for calves – you couldn't catch an adult, they'd quickly put you on their horns. Calves were usually taken away from their mothers, fathers, and brought to the village; special enclosures were built for them, and they began to feed them, tame them. For a while, they would refuse food…
For what purpose did they start domesticating cows, what was the goal? Without this goal, you won't understand why they are now sacred in India. Naturally, for the purpose of sustenance. That is, at that time, it was already understood that although they gave less milk, of course, than modern breeds, they still gave some. To take milk from them, make dairy products – that's from cows, from the female, so to speak, individuals. And the males, the bulls, naturally, were needed for plowing fields, for example, to sow them with various grain crops, which were already being grown then.
Horses were more needed for transportation; they were preserved for that, they were animals that moved fast, and they were especially needed by the kshatriyas, that is, those who fought. Accordingly, bulls remained for the peasants for farming. So they began to domesticate these animals for milk and for them to work in their fields.
Accordingly, during domestication, there were periods of crop failure; quite often there were crop failures, quite often there were periods of famine. Yes, there were hunters; they went hunting for various deer, wild goats; there were many of them, for the same wild cows, mammoths, and so on. But not everyone went hunting; only some did; there was such a class of hunters. And if you spend the whole day working in the field, garden, plowing, sowing, then you have no time for hunting. Well, you might go catch some fish, but is that hunting?
Accordingly, the hunters – yes, they sold meat; they had carcasses; they exchanged them for certain… There was no money like modern money; there were ingots of various metals, usually copper, silver, and gold. Nuggets were found; they were simply chopped off and made into such even ingots. Also, barter was, of course, developed; one good could be exchanged for another, especially in distant settlements.
So, during a famine, there was a temptation, so to speak, to slaughter and eat an already domesticated animal that is growing, that calf, and because of that, it would not produce more domesticated offspring. Do you understand what I'm saying?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): Therefore, a ban on killing cows was introduced for this period: eat whatever you want, but don't touch the cows!
I myself, when I was on Earth five thousand years ago, encountered this. Because I was still a small child and herded cows, among other things: starting from the age of five, I already herded calves. Not only I did this, but also other children. That is, the adults tamed them, and we already herded those little calves.
What does taming mean? It's not like they got used to it right away; there were many cases where they ran away into the forest. Even calves, smelling wild cows, would run away to them and not come back, and we had to look for them. So it was very difficult to preserve this animal and for it to produce further offspring. Therefore, a ban was introduced: "Don't eat their meat, otherwise you will nullify your own efforts." Do you understand what I mean?
This ban applied specifically to domesticated cows. With wild ones, which hunters brought, they could trade, but people didn't eat much meat at that time anyway, because it was quite expensive; a hunter could ask for a lot. A peasant – what does he have? He sells wheat, and how much meat can he buy with that? It usually ended up on tables, one might say, only on holidays.
Now, for example, you have chicken, but back then it didn't exist specifically on the territory of Russia. It came from India, by the way, its ancestor. Well, yes, there were various partridges, hazel grouses; again, they were hunted, but they couldn't be domesticated on such a large scale; they focused, so to speak, on larger animals. There were wild boars, but hunting them and domesticating them was even more dangerous than bulls: they were very aggressive and very dangerous.
Accordingly, the ban on eating cow meat was introduced to build up a certain population of them, to develop breeds, so that they would not be eaten and killed during times of famine when there was nothing to eat. So that people would simply look for other options. And this ban was introduced precisely at the religious level, because people didn't understand otherwise. It was introduced by the priests; I did not participate in this because it was before me, before my birth five thousand years ago.
1:11:56 Krishna's birthplace, about the path of the Aryans from the European part of Russia to India.
Irina (Krishna): And this was on the territory where I lived – in the European part of Russia, and not only in my settlement, but throughout this whole country. It cannot be directly called a modern state; rather, they were separate principalities that were very similar to each other. There were borders; they changed all the time, that's understandable: raids on each other. Such a world, very interesting, by the way.
Then, when they moved to India – this was already after 1500–1700 years, because there were several stages, several groups of people who moved through the southern Urals, through Central Asia, Iran, and so on, moved south and reached India. They generally started moving towards India a thousand years after I disincarnated.
(Irina) Shows: they are walking, stopped, lived in one place, then their children move on. Such nomads, shows, they moved, and they arrived in India around the time of David, a little earlier. And that was a thousand years before the Common Era. And they arrived already with these concepts they brought with them about cows, this sacred cow.
When they arrived in India, naturally, local tribes lived there. No one welcomed them with open arms: everyone needed territories, everyone needed hunting grounds, farmlands, and so on. Naturally, those who arrived, the newcomers, began to gain the trust of these tribes peacefully in some places and gradually became their rulers, because they were a more developed civilization. Since the people on the Hindustan peninsula at that time lived more in the Stone Age, they didn't even have metalworking as such; they had some of their own techniques, but very few. Accordingly, in some places, there were even skirmishes, battles; that was inevitable.
As is known, when Ivan the Terrible moved east, against the Kazan Khanate, to Ufa, and so on, he also didn't come in peace everywhere, as you know. The same happened then, but with peculiarities caused by the fact that the world was more cruel then; such was life, not as refined as now.
1:15:37 The Vedas and the sanctity of cows.
Irina (Krishna): Accordingly, when they arrived a thousand years before the Common Era, a thousand years before the birth of Christ, over that thousand years they created their own culture, their own religion. And already at the beginning of the Common Era, they began to write down this entire oral religious tradition in books, specifically about me, such as the "Rigveda," "Atharvaveda," "Samaveda," and so on. They were written down somewhat earlier, but they say nothing about cows and the impossibility of killing them. Do you understand what I mean?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): Moreover, they contain descriptions of more ancient life (shows the text of the first four Vedas), that "if you invite someone to visit, feed that guest with the best bull meat." All these Scriptures exist; you have probably read them.
Kamil: I have only listened to them so far, but haven't read them.
Irina (Krishna): They exist; these are the Vedas. Why? Because they meant bulls, specifically wild cows; they didn't domesticate them, they simply hunted them. But there was a taboo on domesticated ones, a ban. And this was later enshrined in books at the level of dogma, and gradually, as I said, this religion acquired the status of immutability, dogmatization. That is, it went through a stage where changing this commandment became impossible; it was already perceived as a departure from God.
And now another two thousand years have passed, and, as you see yourself, in India at the state level, as you just said, this ban is still perceived literally. For what reason? For the reason that they consider all these Scriptures infallible; they believe that God himself transmitted them, not that people wrote them based on their own historical, geographical, and cultural peculiarities; that I wrote it myself through some person, and therefore it should not change.
Even if I now say through Irina, through my other contactees, that this is not so, that everything needs to be changed, and cows are no different from other animals: now they have already been domesticated, many breeds have been developed, including meat breeds. Yes, dear friends, there are meat breeds of cows that give less milk compared to dairy breeds, but they have a lot of live muscle mass, meat, and so on; such is the peculiarity of their metabolism. Obviously, there is no point in this ban now. The meaning of this ban was temporary, for the period of their domestication, and it was connected with totemism.
Kamil: Vaishnavas only eat plant-based food.
Irina: But Krishna didn't speak about banning all meat food.
Kamil: Well, this is all perceived as coming from parampara.
Irina: He is laughing now, saying.
(Krishna) I am very merciful towards people, and such a ban would never occur to me; why would I need it? I never said anything like that.
Kamil: Amazing! This is just an explosion of the brain! I've never heard anything like this, honestly.
Irina: He said that he is very merciful towards people.
(Krishna) I would never introduce any meaningless prohibitions that just create a feeling of guilt in you; I don't need that at all, because for me it doesn't matter what you eat. The main thing is that you can love each other and me.
August 21, 2024
Participants:
Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, fine-material civilizations, and the Spiritual World;
Kamil Muradov – engineer, researcher of the Vaishnava religion;
Shri Krishna – representative of the Spiritual World of the 24th spiritual level, member of the Karmic Council of the Universe, deity in Hinduism, eighth avatar of Vishnu in Vaishnavism.
https://blog.cassiopeia.center/razgovor-vajshnava-s-krishnoj-4-principa-lyubov-i
Cassiopeia #731 Conversation of a Vaishnava with Krishna, 4 principles. Love and selfishness. Gambling. Conscious sex. Part 3.
00:00 Start of video.
00:16 Excerpts from the conference.
"...Trust God after all and do not pour your Kundalini energies into emptiness..."
"...if you can use a substance periodically, and you don't need to increase the dose, or..."
"...because there is already a replacement of love with selfishness..."
00:49 Four principles (prohibitions) of Vaishnavas.
Kamil: Upon initiation, Vaishnavas take a vow – to observe four principles. Which of these principles would Krishna abolish? First – the ban on gambling...
Irina: You need to list them all for our TV viewers, as they are, and then continue.
Kamil: Second – the ban on bad habits, such as drug addiction, alcohol, and all that. I think that's an understandable ban. Third prohibition – how to say it… engaging in sexual relations only within marital relations, only with a spouse, so to speak. And the fourth prohibition – not to eat meat, fish, or eggs.
Which of these prohibitions would Krishna remove?
01:58 Krishna about gambling.
Irina: Let's do it one by one.
What do you call gambling? Just, maybe traditions change somewhat.
Kamil: If a person plays cards for money, it's clear – these are some bad things. You can lose, like the king in the "Mahabharata" lost his whole kingdom. That's not good.
Irina: And what other "gambling games" are there?
Kamil: There are various games, many games for money. Gambling is considered to be investing money in some pyramids, then brokerage activities on the rise and fall of rates.
Irina: He is now saying: "Excitement is a feeling." Right?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): What games cause excitement? Those where there is a desire to win?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): And what games cause a desire to win? Naturally, those in which there is competition. Right?
Kamil: Yes. It turns out the whole business idea, everything is built on this excitement. Competition.
Irina: Is football a gambling game?
Kamil: Yes, if you bet.
Irina: No, not for the viewer, but for the player.
Kamil: No, it's not gambling. It's different. There's competition...
Irina: But he can also get money for it.
Kamil: Some kind of sports spirit, I guess.
Irina: He can also get money for it.
Kamil: Ah, yeah.
Irina: Is this considered gambling? For example, if he is told: "If you win, you'll get it."
Kamil: This is considered a profession already. Legal, sort of.
Irina: So casinos are banned?
Kamil: Yes, like casinos, like various...
Irina: Lottery tickets?
Kamil: Lottery – no, it's sort of...
Irina: Where there is lotto, all these?
Kamil: No, the lottery is not directly prohibited.
Irina: Where they buy all these sweepstakes, when they say: "Draw the lotto." And they win all sorts of apartments. Is that, like, banned?
Kamil: No, it's not banned. It's considered harmless, after all. But if a broker on the stock exchange bets on a fall, on a rise...
Irina: I don't know what a broker is.
Kamil: It's where people buy stocks or cryptocurrency.
Irina: So what?
Kamil: These websites.
Irina: What about an auction?
Kamil: It's the same as an auction.
Irina: And when they say: "I'll sell it to you at this price," and then keep raising it, is that gambling?
Kamil: That's not a game, that's trade.
Irina: And if, for example, you play cards for money – is that gambling?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina: You can lose everything there. Or these slot machines, right?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina: Like, you win a little, and then you start losing, losing, and you develop gambling addiction. Is that it?
Kamil: Yes, where a person's reason simply fails. They already...
Irina: He is now saying that it's not the games themselves that are forbidden.
(Krishna) I will explain now. Addiction is forbidden. Any addiction. What does "forbidden" mean? This is a spiritual advice – not to fall into addiction, including addiction to credit. To preserve your reason, logic, thinking, that is, control.
Kamil: However, credits are not forbidden.
Irina (Krishna): That is, to preserve reason in financial matters. They are not forbidden in themselves, but it is forbidden to take out so many that you cannot repay later.
It's not even that... We don't have the word "prohibition." I can only say that I do not advise doing this. Because it will bring you additional stress, it will bring you an additional decrease in vibrations, so to speak. Do you understand what I mean? For example, a person loses his salary in a gambling game, leaving his family without sustenance. His wife slaps him. He gets stress from this. But he can't stop because he has an addiction. This is what is forbidden. Why? It is a regulatory principle.
Kamil: I am for this principle.
Irina (Krishna): Because it causes negativity in a person. Inside, he starts to worry: "I lost, where can I get money? Where else? What if I win?" All this distracts him, firstly, from God, and secondly, causes anger and envy towards those who have already won. In short, there is negativity. That's why, you Vaishnavas, I do not recommend you engage in this.
Kamil: Okay.
Irina (Krishna): Not that you shouldn't play any gambling game at all, but precisely not to fall into addiction. You must control yourselves in this state in any case. Do you understand what I mean?
Kamil: Yes, I understand.
07:44 Krishna about bad habits.
Irina: Now regarding bad habits. Please list them.
Kamil: Alcohol, cigarettes, drug addiction, and something similar.
Irina: And what is considered a drug? Because the question is very interesting, especially regarding India.
Kamil: Everything is considered a drug – alcohol, cigarettes, drug addiction, everything is a drug. In principle, it has even been scientifically proven that all this causes drug addiction.
Irina: Just some substances, right?
Kamil: Yes, those that affect consciousness and cause addiction.
Irina: Is caffeine a drug?
Kamil: Caffeine is also forbidden for Vaishnavas, not recommended.
Irina: And theobromine, which is in cocoa?
Kamil: No, specifically coffee is forbidden. Cocoa doesn't have such a prohibitory word. And for coffee, there is no direct prohibition either; it's in the lectures.
Irina: And tea?
Kamil: Also not recommended.
Irina: And sugar?
Kamil: Vaishnavas eat sugar by the kilogram, simply.
Irina: Is it a drug or not?
Kamil: It is considered not.
Irina: And do you think one can become addicted to it?
Kamil: I think it is a drug, naturally.
09:27 Krishna about bad habits and drugs.
Irina (Krishna): When are drugs prohibited? I'll explain now what this means. This again speaks of such a prohibition: I do not recommend that you fall into addiction to any substances. But this does not mean a ban on any moderate use if it does not cause addiction in you.
Do you understand what I mean? The line is very simple. If you can use a substance periodically, and you don't need to increase the dose or shorten the intervals between uses, and you do it for the sake of tradition, like, for example, drinking alcohol on holidays. There are many people for whom it is just a tradition; they don't become addicted. You've seen such people, I think.
Specifically in Russia, it's alcohol; in other countries, it could be other substances that are even banned in Russia. I won't name them now, but everyone will understand me. In different countries, they are different; let's just say, more correctly – consciousness-altering substances. In their occasional use, if a person does not fall into addiction and does not destroy their body, their life, their family with this addiction, does not lose their job, and so on, there is nothing reprehensible. If they are adequate, socially active, and can still engage in spiritual practices – that is, if it does not affect them, and they do not make that substance a "god." Do you understand now?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): And do not become its slave. There is God, and there is this attitude – "this is a god, and I am its slave." If this drug, any consciousness-altering substance, has not become necessary for a person's life to feel normal, and if without it they are not irritable, and they don't crave it, they feel normal, then it is not considered an addiction. It is not forbidden.
But you do understand that this is not possible with all substances. With alcohol, for example, it is possible. Regarding cigarettes, if we are talking about tobacco, it's more complicated, of course. Have you seen a cigarette smoker who does it once a month?
Kamil: Well, I was like that. But I still quit.
Irina (Krishna): Once a month, it will be unpleasant (shows how the body is not yet adapted to the substance, and it will cause negative symptoms).
Kamil: Not exactly. Depends on what you smoke.
Irina: He's talking about tobacco in general.
Kamil: Yes, but tobacco also varies, different compositions. There are pleasant ones, like these spice blends, or whatever they're called, smoking mixtures, nicotine-containing ones.
Irina: Ah, these – vapes.
Kamil: They are aromatic – both spices and vapes. Yes. And they don't cause any unpleasant sensation.
Irina: I don't know. There's also hookah; I've seen especially young people gather once a month, smoke it, order various aromatic blends. Personally, for me, it's strange – spending money on smoke. I like the smell of smoke, but I can light a fire and breathe it for free. Why would I need to buy it? I don't know. So for me, for example, it's strange.
But, again, Krishna says that for someone, it's normal.
13:36 Prohibition as a regulatory principle.
Irina (Krishna): As for prohibitions as regulatory principles, they are forbidden only if they divert from God. And it diverts from God only if it becomes an idol, that is, when it takes up a large place in a person's life and destroys their body. Because it happens that a person smokes, drinks, or uses drugs so much that their health is destroyed. And doctors tell him: "You need to stop doing this, using this substance, otherwise you will either leave the incarnation, or you will have a stroke or a heart attack, some serious illness, even a stomach ulcer." And he, despite the health risk, still continues to take it, despite already having health problems.
This is already not loving one's body, not loving oneself. And it's not the substance itself, but the lack of love for the body and for oneself, because the body is a part of you. Its slow destruction, poisoning – this is already a sin, because it is not loving the particle of energy, the particle of God that is in the body. You do not accept it. And this is forbidden because it lowers vibrations – this lack of love for the body. Not the substance, but the lack of love for one's body. The substance here is only a consequence.
A person, if they are in a state of sin, for example, despondency, depression, will always find something to kill their body with – a knife, poison, cigarettes, alcohol. Slowly or quickly. But they will always find a tool for that. Do you understand? If this does not entail such consequences, then it is not forbidden.
Kamil: I understand.
15:44 Krishna about conscious sex.
Irina: Regarding the third regulatory principle – is it sex in the family, right?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): I would keep it, because infidelity, adultery, lead to scandals, divorces, suspicion, and often even lead to murders.
Kamil: Further clarification: acharyas [acharya – a title of a religious teacher in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism – ed. note] also claim, already in a private manner, that even sex in the family with spouses is also not good. Only for conceiving children. If there is a thought to satisfy one's flesh, for pleasure, then it is already a departure from the purity of the Spirit, so to speak.
Irina (Krishna): Yes, that is just such an understanding. Somewhat distorted information was transmitted through the human mind. I will explain now what was meant.
It was meant that when a man and a woman engage in sexual contact, ideally they do not need to protect themselves from conception. Why? Of course, I am talking about the ideal now. And why exactly this ideal? Because it is complete trust in God. After all, it is God who sends the Soul. Do you understand what this means? It is God who sends the Soul to the dad and mom, the parents. And if you protect yourself from conception with various methods of contraception (although it can be of different types – abortive, non-abortive, any method), then by this prevention of conception, even simply by interrupting the act, which many do (although it's not a very reliable method), by doing this, you show God: "We do not trust You, whether You will send us a Soul during this act. We think that You will send us a Soul without our consent, and we are defending ourselves from that Soul." That is a form of distrust in God. Do you understand what I mean?
And as for sex specifically for conception, it was meant that if you specifically want children, then you need to prepare for conception. Physically – for example, get checked, treat various diseases; energetically prepare – balance all your chakras, summon the Soul, connect with it. In ancient times, on Earth, there was a whole culture of conception, gestation, and birth of children. And this is precisely what was meant. But since it has been practically lost, now people engage in sexual contact simply out of lust, as you say.
What is lust – it is a sexual desire caused by the reproductive instinct. It exists in all people, manifests in all, and is preserved from birth to death. In children, it manifests in one form, in adults in another. Yes, dear friends, children, including those who have not reached puberty, can also have sexual desire; they just don't realize it. In them, it manifests in a slightly different form.
Yes, family itself implies love – at the spiritual level and at the physical level, because the physical body is just as full a part of a person as the spiritual. Therefore, it is not forbidden for a man and a woman to physically unite, if they are in a family, in any quantity that both agree to. But if this sexual act occurs in a form that is unpleasant to one of the partners, then the one who does so must stop doing it, because it will no longer be love, but violence. Everything must be by mutual agreement.
Moreover, sexual energy, kundalini, loves precisely... There is a rule of exchange of kundalini, the exchange of sexual energy between partners. There is also such a concept – "tantra"; maybe you've heard of it? It is a teaching on how to exchange energy, including for achieving enlightenment. That is, how to direct energy during the sexual act.
But all these practices, including sex between husband and wife, ideally should remain secret from others. This is a personal life because it is connected with an intimate moment. It is only what happens between husband and wife. Why is it a secret in your culture? Because the energy of kundalini does not like the eyes of a third party, an observer. What does "does not like" mean? It kind of closes itself off. Do you understand what I mean?
Kamil: Yes, I understand.
22:42 The third regulatory principle.
Irina (Krishna): So, in the third regulatory principle, I would say this: you can engage in sexual contact in a registered marriage, where you have taken responsibility for each other. That is, when you are just cohabiting, someone doesn't want to take responsibility. This is again the ideal, as I say; everyone decides for themselves, naturally. But simply the ideal is in the family. A family is, naturally, an officially registered cohabitation of a man and a woman, and by mutual consent, they can unite in sexual contact as much as they want, ideally without protecting themselves.
Of course, I will be asked, and many have already asked, by the way, from among the Vaishnavas, my contactees, they communicate with me: "What should we do if we already have children, and we love each other, want to engage in sexual contact, but don't want more pregnancies and children?" Such a problem is relevant. Everyone decides for themselves. But I recommend trusting God. Because every Soul that comes into incarnation does not come by chance. Among other things, to take care of the parents when they are already elderly. This was known even in Vedic culture. Accordingly, trust God. And if you don't need children, that is, if He sees that children are not beneficial for your spiritual development, you can engage in unprotected sex as much as you want, and no conception will occur.
On the other hand, the opposite question: you have probably seen how many married couples engage in sexual contact with each other, they have no children, they don't use protection, but there is no conception. And they start going to doctors, getting treatment, getting tests, even traveling to holy places. You've probably met such people. I've been asked that too. "Why do they have children, but we don't?" Trust God too: He will send you a child when you are ready.
25:56 Krishna about sex outside marriage.
Irina (Krishna): Regarding sex life outside of marriage. The fact is that there is such a problem in Vaishnavism: young people, teenagers grow up, turn into young adults, adults, and start looking for a partner. Then they find one. And they have this prohibition – to engage in contact only for the conception of children. But they don't want children yet, but they don't want to break this principle either. But the desire doesn't go away; it can be quite strong. And it happens that they, both husband and wife, who do not engage in contact, hide from each other in different rooms and masturbate.
This often happens among Vaishnavas, yes, especially among young people. Moreover, this happens not only in the family but also during the period of searching for a family, when the young man or unmarried girl is still single. A girl can also do this in various ways. I, of course, understand: instinct and all that. But I especially address married couples: trust God after all and do not pour your kundalini energies into emptiness. They are given to you for each other.
As for masturbation or self-satisfaction of those who are not yet married. I understand that for you, this may be a way out so that you don't fall into some sins related to fornication, which can already be dangerous, including for your health. But, dear friends, still trust God! Do special exercises for raising kundalini energy (there are such exercises).
Because the act of masturbation, self-satisfaction, in itself does not give the pleasure that should be in union. It is only a surrogate, an inferior substitute. And it solves nothing except the waste of your energy and the attraction of fine-material civilizations, Nature Spirits, that feed on this energy. Then they may enter into contact with you. This is not strictly forbidden, but I would not recommend you waste your strength on this; rather, direct yourselves to God, pray more, and do good deeds as much as possible.
29:16 Krishna about fornication.
Irina (Krishna): As for fornication – this is promiscuous sex, changing partners. This is probably the worst option, even compared to masturbation. Because there is already a replacement of love with selfishness. That is, do you understand, this is using physical love, which should bring joy and pleasure, simply for using the bodies of others to satisfy one's lust.
Firstly, in the person who fornicates, be it a man or a woman, this develops selfishness, that is, a consumer attitude, which can later affect his family life. Because he can establish in his mind such a habit that using another person to satisfy his desires, and then just leaving him and looking for another, is normal. And subsequently, such a person can treat other aspects of family life, such as financial matters, raising children, and domestic issues, in a consumerist way. This can cause quarrels, scandals, and divorce. Do you understand what I mean?
(Irina) Yes, I'm listening.
30:53 The monastic path of renouncing sex, decision in the family.
Kamil: I wanted to clarify this point: among our spiritual teachers, there are those who preach complete abstinence from sex.
Irina (Krishna): There is such a path, the monastic one.
Kamil: They present it from a position that it is good, and that it is even the best choice.
Irina (Krishna): This choice is for them. The fact is, there is such a monastic path (it exists in almost all religions) for liberation from the illusory mind, from what you call "maya." It is an equivalent path; whether a person is without sex or with it, the main thing is still surrender to God, love, trust, devotion. And if a person lives in a family, that is also his service, that is also his place.
Kamil: But if he disagrees with his wife, if she doesn't want to abstain, and he decides on his own?
Irina (Krishna): They must make the decision together. On all issues related to sex, if they live together – about how much sex to have and how to abstain – they need to find a compromise. If they disagree with each other on this, of course, no one is obliged to yield to the other – neither he to her, nor she to him. If they cannot come to an agreement at all, then to avoid scandals, quarrels, and infidelity, the issue of divorce will need to be raised. Such cases exist.
Kamil: I understand.
33:06 If a husband refuses sex to his wife.
Irina (Krishna): But I'll tell you more simply. If he doesn't want to, and she wants to, well, how can you negotiate? You are not obliged to yield to her and satisfy her if you don't want to; you'll just find it repulsive. And she, generally speaking, is not obliged to tolerate it because of you. Do you understand?
Kamil: And if the wife agreed under duress, against her will, and she will have to force herself to do this all her life because there are many traditions where divorce is not allowed at all.
Irina (Krishna): So what?
Kamil: It turns out this is violence against another person?
Irina (Krishna): She won't tell you that she agreed against her will. How will you know? It will be her choice.
Kamil: I understand.
Irina (Krishna): No, perhaps she will go somewhere, do something.
Kamil: But if the husband knows that she simply "dulled" herself, adapting to his demands?
Irina: It's unlikely a woman will do that because she can simply not tell him many things, so to speak. It's good if she in this case... Temperament also plays a role, character, upbringing, of course. He is now saying.
(Krishna) In this case, if the husband sees that she agreed with him, but still he will feel that she wants to engage in contact with him. He will see it; after all, he is a man, a human, and he feels her, especially his wife. He can't be fooled, right? If he does not satisfy her desires, and sincerely, not just for the sake of some mark on the calendar. For women, by the way, as for men, sincerity is important in this matter, not just, like, "I paid my conjugal debt and shut up." No, that won't work.
In this case, the husband should not be surprised if he suddenly sees her flirting, so to speak, romantic relationships with some other man. She might cheat on him. And this can last quite a long time. She might even become pregnant by another man and bring him a child. In this case, he should also not divorce her, since he himself led her to this state. And if he himself does not satisfy her, and she goes to other men and brings a child, not his by blood, he should accept it as his own, raise it. And not divorce her, but take responsibility, not blame her – he, by his abstinence, gave her a reason to open her precious place to another.
And usually, lively emotions are needed. This is especially important for women. They need not only sex and orgasm; they need kind words, caresses, compliments, gifts, naturally. After all, women have somewhat different emotionality, a different attitude towards sex and towards men. Therefore, if a man has refused but sees that the woman still wants to have sex with him, and takes no measures, let him not be surprised by the consequences and accept them as they are – without divorces, without quarrels, without accusations of infidelity, and so on. And if he sees in the bedroom that she is "doing it herself," let him thank her for this decision, that it is at least such. It could be worse, I tell you for sure.
38:04 If a wife refuses sex to her husband.
Irina (Krishna): Everything I just said about women applies equally to men. If you, women, have refused your men sex (this also happens) for any of your reasons – spiritual, or you are offended at him, there can be various reasons, and he has pretended to agree with you, but you see that he gets aroused by you or other women, and you do nothing to satisfy him as a man, do not be surprised at the consequences. He may cheat on you. He may leave you for another family altogether or live in two families. And the responsibility in this case will be solely on you. Because, just as in the case of women, men will not find it enough to just masturbate, locked away from you in the bathroom. These are no longer teenagers; these are adult men who want relationships.
And women who refuse sex to their husbands but want support from them should also understand this. Any decision has consequences. If you decide to refuse a person – your spouse – the satisfaction of their basic reproductive instinct, do not be surprised if they seek satisfaction and positive emotions elsewhere. It is her or his right, because because of their spouse's refusal, they should not constantly think about the arousal that arises in them. Because there are people with very strong temperaments; it is very difficult for them to overcome this within themselves. Even if they try, they constantly have thoughts, various images, and so on. And many suffer spiritually from this.
40:42 Final advice from Krishna.
Irina (Krishna): So, I advise you not to let the situation in the family get to such a state. Men who refuse their wives this cohabitation, ask yourself again, why do you need a wife then? If she creates comfort in the home, does other things for you – a housekeeper could do that. The same applies to men, as I already said.
Therefore, I recommend approaching this issue more consciously, not from the side of religious prohibitions, but from the side of reason, from the side of compassion for each other, acceptance as you are, because you will not re-educate each other. But the one who refuses – the husband or wife – to satisfy the sexual desire of their other half must take on all the consequences of this refusal. Including those I listed. And then do not divorce. In that case, it would be a sin.
(Irina) I think he answered in detail. He says: "It would be funny if it weren't so sad." He says now because this problem is relevant for many, because many really worry about it.
42:19 Plant and animal food – what is allowed, what is not.
Irina: Well, finally, we move on to the fourth principle – regarding food. The last answer.
(Krishna) But I would completely abolish this principle related to food. Because it prevents a person from correctly perceiving the spiritual path, spiritual development: it makes it more material. Because a person believes that his contact with God depends on food, on matter (food is a type of matter). That is, he gives matter excessive importance. I would move away from this materialism and would say: "You can eat whatever you want, any animals, any plants, eggs, fish, meat – any, everything you want."
But so that you develop love, I would recommend to you... You offer me your food, but you change your approach a little, because I am a Spirit and do not need food. Prasadam is your food, which I charge for you. [Prasadam – in Hinduism, an offering of food to a deity – ed. note]. And I don't care what to direct my energies to – cabbage, an omelet, or dumplings with sour cream. Both are matter. What difference does it make?
You change this prasadam ritual a little. How? Eat only what you want. Ask your body if it wants to eat what you offer it. Ask your Higher Self, your unincarnated part of the Spirit: "My Higher Self, my Soul, my Spirit, is this food suitable for me in terms of vibrations right now?" You can ask this "in your head," and there will be an intuitive answer.
The most ideal is when you eat not by schedule – breakfast-lunch-dinner, so much-so much-so much – but when you yourself want to. But for many, this is, of course, inconvenient because you might not want to, for example, during the lunch break, but want to while you are working. So, be guided by your own life.
45:01 The fourth regulatory principle.
Irina (Krishna): As for the food itself – eat what you want; there are no prohibitions here at all. But before eating, I give you this regulatory principle. You put it in front of you and mentally say: "I thank Krishna." Or if you are a believer of another religion: "I thank Christ or Allah," depending on what you call God. That is, you will name the name of your God in your religion.
Then say: "For this food, I thank all the Nature Spirits who participated in the creation of these souls." Because plants also have souls, by the way. You also need to thank for plant food, not just for animal food. And thank for dairy products too, because, although these are not killed bodies, the animal souls still gave this milk. Do you understand? "I thank the souls of these animals and plants for giving me their bodies so that I could strengthen my body, to continue living in this world and glorify God."
I am, of course, giving approximate words; you can say very briefly in your own words: "I thank God, I thank the Nature Spirits, I thank the souls of plants and animals that gave me this food! I send the Light of my Love to everyone and thank them for this food!" This will be a kind of analogue of a prayer before meals. And when you say this, I will send my energies into space through the atoms.
(Irina) He is showing me now that his energies are everywhere.
(Krishna) I will send my spiritual energies into the atoms of this food, whatever it may consist of, and whatever material form it may have, so that when you consume it, this food strengthens not only your body but also your Spirit. Such a thing is possible.
When you have eaten, also say: "I thank and accept, I love and bless! I promise to direct this energy (and any food is energy in a dense form) towards the development of unconditional Love."
Do this and teach your children this way, and everything will be fine with your spiritual development; you won't lower any vibrations. That's all. And when an animal was killed, it suffered, and this suffering in the form of energy remained in the meat. And with these simple words, such energy will be removed, because there will be only the energy of gratitude.
48:00 Acknowledgements.
Irina: Friends, we had a long broadcast, discussions, stories, answers to questions. Krishna, I thank you for transmitting the information, which, of course, has been said before, but I think it was repeated a little differently. I thank Kamil for his very interesting questions. I thank my Higher Self for helping with this contact. I thank you, dear viewers, for watching this video.
I urge you to study Krishna's words, especially where he spoke about all these prohibitions he clarified today, and look for contradictions there. But only the words of Krishna himself, not the commentators, as he said at the beginning.
Moreover, if someone disagrees and thinks that Krishna forbids something from what he said, they can directly contact him through me and ask him sharper questions, including with the Holy Scripture in hand, asking what is unclear to them.
He agrees, he says.
(Krishna) Let any Vaishnava, even the leaders themselves, if they wish, take the "Bhagavad Gita," the "Srimad Bhagavatam," get on a video call with Irina, read to her those words that, as it seems to you, contradict what I said now, and I will explain everything to you myself. And you can ask me any questions. I am always open to contact. But if you do not want to go for it, and simply reject my words, then that is your choice – to reject the search for truth and simply live as you want. You also have the right to that. But those who seek truth, I invite to open dialogue. Several people can come for an open debate, right with the "Srimad Bhagavatam" and "Bhagavad Gita."
(Irina) I'll say right away: I personally haven't read anything like that systematically, but Krishna will answer through me in any case. And all of this will be posted on our channel. Do you want it? I invite you.
Thank you, dear friends, for being with us! I wish you all contact with God within yourselves, awareness, and of course, more faith, and fewer doubts. But doubts are also often needed to strengthen faith. So I thank you, dear friends! Until we meet again!
November 4, 2024
Conference participants:
Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, with fine-material civilizations and with the Spiritual World;
Kamil Muradov – engineer, researcher of the Vaishnava religion (Vaishnava – Krishnaite);
Shri Krishna (phantom) – representative of the Spiritual World of the 24th spiritual level, member of the Karmic Council of the Universe. Deity in Hinduism, eighth avatar of Vishnu in Vaishnavism.
https://blog.cassiopeia.center/razgovor-vajshnava-s-krishnoj-dogmy-religij-znaniy
Cassiopeia #734 Conversation of a Vaishnava with Krishna. Dogmas of religions, knowledge of the Interstellar Union. The potential of holiness. Part 4.
00:00 Start of video.
00:22 Fragments from the conference.
"…Complete truth, as always, is in the middle. Only a person's attitude towards meat determines how it will or will not affect their spiritual development…"
"…There are religions that, for example, forbade wearing certain clothes. If you believe in this, a person will wear white, black, or some other color of clothing, and they will sin because they will feel they have moved away from God…"
"…If you come to a temple, and someone asks: 'How are your aliens?' – or something else, even jokingly, for example – 'Haven't you flown off with the aliens yet?' – then it is necessary to calmly answer that 'the aliens are fine, no, I haven't flown away yet, I like Earth'."
01:34 Greeting. Introduction of participants.
Irina: Hello, dear friends! My name is Irina Podzorova. I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, with the Spiritual World, and with fine-material civilizations.
Today we continue the conversation with Krishna, who is an unincarnated Spirit, the coordinator of our Milky Way galaxy. That is, the Spirit who coordinates all processes occurring in our galaxy. And Kamil will ask him questions.
Hi, Kamil!
Kamil: Hello! Hello, Irina! Hello, Krishna! Glad to greet you!
Irina (Krishna): Greetings.
Kamil: Allow me, Krishna, to first read the mantra.
Irina (Krishna): Yes, of course.
Kamil: Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare Hare. Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare!
02:41 Resolving contradictions of Vaishnavism with other ideologies through the practice of the middle way.
Kamil: The teaching of the Interstellar Union is to help people reach a new level of knowledge about our brothers in intelligence, about the world, about the Creator of this world. And what to do with the fact that in ISKCON [International Society for Krishna Consciousness – ed. note] they still consider this heresy, the result of communicating with demons and devils from hellish worlds?
This is also indicated in the Vedas, where such things are not recommended and are forbidden. What to do in this case? Not go to the temple at all? Or something else? Because if you go to the temple with this knowledge, it's impossible to just agree with everything. Since it is not in the principles of a Vaishnava: if you disagree with something, you will have to contradict the fact that some things just don't fit in your head. We have a custom: if something is unclear, incomprehensible, or contradicts the knowledge you already have, to ask lecturers questions.
What to do in this case?
Irina (Krishna): You can choose the middle way. Take two contradictory ideas, place them mentally opposite each other, remove the duality of thinking, and understand in what state of consciousness these ideas were originally spoken. And then you will see the commonality between them.
04:29 The middle way of resolving contradictions using the example of abstaining from meat.
Irina (Krishna): Let me give you an example so you can work with such ideas on your own. Give the ideas that confuse you in the teachings of ISKCON and the Interstellar Union.
Kamil: The simplest thing – people eat meat, animal food, and this is wrong. And in ISKCON, they try to explain to people that this is wrong, not good. This leads to various consequences.
Irina (Krishna): So the idea of ISKCON – people eat meat, and this is wrong.
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): Good.
Kamil: Moreover, it is claimed that because people kill animals and eat meat, wars happen. They go to such conclusions.
Irina (Krishna): I understand. Now give the idea of the Interstellar Union opposite to this.
Kamil: Everything given by God is natural and not ugly. People are not sinful in anything, as they are created by God. This must be accepted, although, naturally, observing some principles, that the animal should not suffer.
Irina (Krishna): Let me state these principles more precisely. The principle of ISKCON: eating meat by a person negatively affects their spiritual development. Is there such a principle?
Kamil: There is.
Irina (Krishna): The teaching of the Interstellar Union: eating meat does not negatively affect a person's spiritual development. Is there such a law in the Interstellar Union?
Kamil: There is.
Irina (Krishna): So I have now clearly stated this contradiction. Do you see it?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): Excellent. Now imagine these contradictions as images of people: put one on a chair on the left, and the other on a chair on the right. Let one assert the idea of ISKCON, and the other the idea of the Interstellar Union. What do they look like? Now we will remove the duality. The one on the left, he speaks the idea of ISKCON. Imagine him in traditional Vaishnava clothing. Did you imagine him?
Kamil: Yes. I'll give an example. One lecturer was invited to an international conference with esotericists to discuss increasing awareness during the quantum transition and so on. The Vaishnava lecturer himself later used this as an argument. He, after talking with the esotericists, announced that they cannot understand what he is saying because they eat meat, and it is not given to them, as their brain is, like, clogged.
Irina (Krishna): I just asked you to imagine two people. Not to go into specifics, but just to imagine two people with these ideas. Right?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): Did you imagine them?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): Imagine a person sitting and pronouncing the idea of ISKCON, which I mentioned – that eating meat negatively affects a person's spiritual development. Now imagine any person sitting opposite him, who for you personifies the Interstellar Union and its laws. And he tells the first person that eating meat does not negatively affect a person's spiritual development. They have expressed their ideas and now it's as if they were written on a board (shows a screen).
We see that all the words here are similar. Right? And there is only one preposition that differs. It's the preposition NOT. Right?
Kamil: Right, correct.
Irina (Krishna): Now look: does it stand before the word "affects"?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): So the root of the contradiction is in the influence?
Kamil: Yes. But not only in this.
Irina (Krishna): That is, here a person eats meat, and there a person eats meat. One said it affects spiritual development, the other says it does not.
Kamil: In this, yes, yes.
Irina (Krishna): Does it affect or not? The fact is, there are supporters of both opinions.
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): Now we look at the state of consciousness of the person who said that meat affects spiritual development. What do you think?
Kamil: He is in a state of preaching, bringing knowledge to people that this is wrong.
Irina (Krishna): No. The one who originally created this idea, what state of consciousness were they in when this idea first appeared in their mind?
Kamil: It wasn't a person who created it. The person received this knowledge from...
Irina (Krishna): Any being that created it, what state of consciousness were they in when this idea appeared in their mind?
Kamil: If it was from whom the person received it, then he doesn't have a completely correct perception of the laws of the Universe.
Irina (Krishna): Now remove the word "correct" and replace it with "real."
Kamil: So, there was no real vision or understanding of the laws of the Universe.
Irina (Krishna): So, good. Now look at the second person, at what he wrote on the board. And it says there that eating meat by a person does not affect his spiritual development. What state of consciousness was the being in, in whose mind this idea first appeared?
Kamil: In a natural state, accepting everything as it is.
Irina (Krishna): Good.
12:23 Krishna about the importance of mental attitudes.
Irina (Krishna): Now look: the one who said that eating meat negatively affects a person's spiritual development, he created his own reality. Because he connected the material and the spiritual. And the one who said it does not affect, he continues to consider the material as material, and the spiritual as spiritual. Do you understand what I mean?
Kamil: I think so.
Irina (Krishna): Now look, what do you see in common between these ideas?
Kamil: Common? The common thing is the desire to understand whether it is right or wrong.
Irina (Krishna): If we look at the idea, the commonality is usually expressed by a word that is a noun. The common word there is "meat." The ideas differ only in the attitude towards it. So, if you look, true knowledge, as always, is in the middle. Neither there nor there is the complete truth; the complete truth, as always, is in the middle. Only a person's attitude towards meat determines how it will or will not affect their spiritual development.
(Irina) What do you say?
Kamil: I agree. I perceive it that way now.
Irina (Krishna): That is, if you sincerely believe that meat will negatively affect precisely your spiritual development, then with this faith you will create reality. How will you create it? Eating meat in a state of this faith will lead to your thought telling you: "Since you ate meat, you have moved away from God, which means you can commit sins." And if a person believes this, then negative emotions and feelings will appear in their Soul, because they created them for themselves.
He does not know that he created this for himself, because he did it unconsciously, simply because of his mental attitude. But since he does not know that it is in him, he will think that what he felt – negative thoughts and emotions after eating meat – was indeed caused by the meat. This will further strengthen his belief in this mental attitude.
This is called "closing the mental circle." Do you understand what I mean?
Kamil: Yes, I understand.
Irina (Krishna): Naturally, he will then tell everyone and preach that "eating meat negatively affects your spiritual development." He might even give examples that "here I ate it, and it negatively affected me: I became angrier, more irritable, more lustful" (depending on his character). But at the same time, he will not say that he himself caused this with his faith. Not because he is lying, but because he does not know this. Do you understand what I mean?
Kamil: Yes, it's a delusion. I understand.
Irina (Krishna): It's simply a lack of awareness, to put it in esoteric language. Why a lack of awareness? Because this mental attitude, which he believed in, is not conscious to his mind. That is, it is outside his field of consciousness, but it influences him. One could say it's his subconscious attitude. Do you understand what I mean?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): Now consider the second person, who says that eating meat does not negatively affect a person's spiritual development. Since he does not connect eating meat with his emotions, feelings, and thoughts, he simply eats it like any food, like just matter. And therefore, his consciousness cannot cause negative emotions and feelings because of this food, since he has no connection.
18:01 Krishna about resolving disputes from a position beyond duality.
Irina (Krishna): Therefore, the truth is that both are right. That is, both ISKCON is right and the Interstellar Union is right, but only in different situations. What do you say?
Kamil: All this is correct. But when you oppose, say, a lecturer... What is a senior Vaishnava? He gives thousands of arguments and considers himself right.
Irina (Krishna): You can suggest that he also consider this idea beyond duality. Simply say that he also imagine that two people are sitting, as I just did, opposite each other, and one writes on the board or simply says one idea, and the second the opposite. And find the commonality.
If the person is interested in talking with you about it, he will do it. If not, if he will defend his beliefs and say: "I will not consider this from a position beyond duality, because I don't need it, it's not interesting, or something else," – then that is also his right.
Kamil: Thank you, Krishna.
Irina: He wants to ask.
(Krishna) So you gave an example. I wanted to ask you now: do you understand the principle of considering opposing ideas?
Kamil: The principle is clear.
Irina (Krishna): You can apply it to any other opposing ideas. I repeat again: both are right, but in different situations.
20:03 Krishna about the appropriateness and conditions of polemics.
Kamil: So, from this it follows... This is, it turns out, a polemic? How do you recommend entering into such a polemic with a Vaishnava? One-on-one? Not where the public is listening?
Irina (Krishna): It depends on many circumstances. Where is polemic appropriate, in what society? If you are just chatting or if it's a lecture, the polemic can drag on for a long time. You need to understand if the lecturer has time for such a polemic.
Kamil: So it's better to do it face to face, right?
Irina (Krishna): You can do it simply in a friendly conversation, if you are communicating or met somewhere. That is, if he is not limited in time and wants to talk on this topic. Because the lecturer might perceive your desire to understand this issue of going beyond duality as an attempt to convince him at a time when he is busy with something else.
Kamil: Thank you. Can I move on to another question?
Irina (Krishna): Yes.
21:43 Krishna about the reasons for the development of pride.
Kamil: Here's a related question. Vaishnavas have accepted the dogmas on faith that meat-eaters live incorrectly, sin, do many things wrong. And there is such a concept as mleccha – meat-eater, a person who is at a lower level of consciousness development. Does this not contribute to the development of subtle pride in a Vaishnava, that he is somehow higher than other people?
Irina (Krishna): Here, everything depends on the state of the heart of the person who accepted this idea. If he believes that meat negatively affects a person, but at the same time loves and sympathizes with the person who eats meat, and does not exalt himself above him, thinking he lives more correctly, then this will not lead to pride. But if he treats him without love and thinks that he himself is more worthy of communication with Krishna than a person who eats meat, then, of course, this leads to pride.
But that is his inner state of heart. After all, possessing any skill, ability to do something, knowledge, sciences, a beautiful body, and so on – all this can lead to pride or not, depending on the person's attitude.
Kamil: In this regard, I heard more such an suggestion that one needs to sympathize with people. This is the main thought when I listened to the lecture – sympathy for people. But isn't this something not quite right – to sympathize?
Irina (Krishna): Repeat the question, please.
24:17 Krishna about compassion.
Kamil: You said that you need to love people, treat everything under the sun, as they say, living, non-living, with love. Everything that God created with love, respect, accept. But is it right to sympathize? Doesn't this push aside the concept of "to love"? After all, to sympathize is precisely what I am talking about: it's a kind of regret for people, that they are like that?
Irina (Krishna): Compassion is understanding a person who suffers, one might say. It is feeling their feelings and emotions and passing them through your heart. And here it is meant that if one person sees that another person is sinning in some way, in his understanding, then how can he relate to this? With pride or with love?
If he relates with love, compassion will inevitably turn on, because he will feel the misfortune of that person, his lowered vibrations. Imagine: if a person is in pain, you sympathize with him, right?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): And here the pain is not physical, but mental. Any sinful act is a consequence of a spiritual illness. Do you understand what I mean?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): Therefore, any sinner suffers. And if a person sincerely believes that another person suffers from meat, but at the same time loves him, then, naturally, he will sympathize with him, but will not show any violence or condemnation. He can lovingly express his point of view that it is wrong. Of course, every person has the freedom to express themselves through speech, that's understandable. But if that person still continues to eat meat and refuses to change his attitudes, then the one who said it will not have negative emotions. He will not feel anger, irritation, resentment, and so on; he will simply say: "That's your choice." That will be his love.
Kamil: But the thing is, he believes that the person is doing harm to himself: eating meat, having sex, doing something else. But the person to whom this is addressed naturally lives accepting that it is normal, that it is not sinful. And the person who thinks the other is a sinner, it turns out, is himself stewing in this compassion. The one being worried about lives his own life, and the one who thinks he is living wrong, as it were, puts himself in that position. It turns out to be some kind of compassion that is not corresponding to reality, some unnecessary compassion.
Irina (Krishna): It's unnecessary for you. But the person who is convinced of this is really sure he is right. His faith is already like that. As I said about attitudes, it is already in him, and only he can decide to change it or not. That is already the freedom to choose faith.
28:44 Krishna about spiritual development.
Kamil: Does it not hinder him in spiritual development?
Irina (Krishna): Depending on how he relates to it. You can also consider wearing white clothes sinful. There are religions that forbade wearing certain clothes. If you believe in this, a person will wear white, black, or some other color clothing, and he will sin because he will feel he has moved away from God.
Kamil: If we continue this line, then the clash of religions mainly happens because of this. One believes he should wear white clothes, another believes he should wear black. One believes he can eat meat, another cannot. One can eat pork – another cannot. In short, these contradictions are what make up a very big conflict now.
Irina (Krishna): If all people, in addition to religious rites and reading religious scriptures, will cleanse their hearts and their auras of blocks, raise their vibrations, and develop love within themselves, regardless of their religious beliefs, then gradually all these religious dogmas will dissolve in the Light of Love, and the person will relate equally to everything.
This is already the inner work of a person. It is important to understand here that if a person wants to raise their level, fulfill the tasks of their incarnation, and get to the highest spiritual level, if they truly want this, if that is their priority in development, then it is not enough to be a participant in a religious egregore and follow all its rules. The religious egregore is only an assistant; the person is called to develop themselves.
I am now speaking about any religious egregore, regardless of its name.
Kamil: Thank you. Can I move on to another question?
Irina: Yes.
31:00 Krishna about a way to resolve conflict in a family where one has adopted Vaishnavism.
Kamil: A domestic question for a Vaishnava. Food restrictions, certain clothing, behavior of Vaishnavas in interaction with societal traditions create many problems in life within the family, leading to a split up to divorce if people have different religious beliefs. What to do in this case, what do you advise?
Irina (Krishna): Advise so that there is no split in the family?
Kamil: Suppose a spouse is a Vaishnava, and he firmly observes all these principles, starting with food, clothing, attitude to sex, and up to raising children, how to raise children correctly. If the wife conflicts with this somewhere, there is an established opinion that if another family member hinders the correct spiritual way of life, then divorce is inevitable; you need to accept this. So, divorce?
Irina (Krishna): Situations can be very different. "Hinders" is a very vague concept. There are different families, different situations. Tell me yourself, how can one hinder a Vaishnava?
Kamil: I have many examples in my life and in the life of my mentor. We are somewhat similar.
Irina (Krishna): How can they hinder your faith, or some of your rituals, or reading the necessary literature?
Kamil: Up to complete rejection by the other side.
Irina (Krishna): Naturally. So, you need to show a harmonious way of interaction between two individuals with different beliefs by your own example of accepting this spouse. First, if the husband is a Vaishnava, and the wife adheres to other beliefs, atheistic, or Christian, or some other. Naturally, there is a difference: whether they just met, or have been living in a family for a long time, and one of them only recently became a Vaishnava, and the other remained a non-Vaishnava. There is a difference between these situations. Or a Vaishnava initially married a girl or woman who is not a participant in this egregore.
These are two different situations. Shall we consider both or just one of them?
Kamil: No. Mostly the situation is when, already being in a family relationship, someone accepts Vaishnavism, and a conflict begins.
Irina (Krishna): Good. What could be the behavior strategy of this Vaishnava to harmonize the situation as much as possible?
Firstly, he needs to understand that if he changes his religion, especially so much that it will affect the way of life of his family, if he joins an egregore, this can negatively affect his spouse's attitude towards him. Because many people have fears of changes, whatever they may be. Do you understand what I mean?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): It's a kind of self-preservation instinct. So a man who accepts Vaishnavism, before accepting it, needs to tell himself: "If I accept this seriously, I will have to tell my wife about it, that I have accepted it, and I am ready for any reaction from her. First: she is not obliged to accept my faith." For what reason? For the same reason that he is not obliged to remain in his former beliefs. Because everyone has freedom.
And when he tells his wife about his decision, the first thing he needs to say is: "This is my decision, and it will not affect our family relationship in the role of husband and wife in any way." That is, everything will remain the same. The wife needs to be reassured. Do you understand what I mean?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): "Our love between us will remain the same (meaning the feelings). And my duties as a husband, as a father, as the head of the family (if he was the head of the family, of course) also remain the same. Only my religion changes." Explain, naturally, the reasons for this change. For what reason? Because she may not understand this. What is obvious to him may be closed to her, because she has completely different ideas about the Vedic egregore.
She does not believe in the reality of everything written in the sacred Vedic texts. For her, it might be some kind of fiction or something else. This husband needs to accept in advance her right to think so, because there is freedom of choice. Say: "I decided to accept this religion, that is, I decided to become a Vaishnava, because…" And tell her about his experience, why he decided this – "I met Krishna, Krishna helped me" or something else. His own personal spiritual experience, why he chose this.
And end the conversation by saying: "I accept you as you are, it's only for you to decide whether to study this religion or not, or adhere to something else." Be sure to say words of love at the end, that he loves her. Say just that: "Whether you accept my choice or not, I love you and will try to take our relationship to a new level. I hope Krishna will help me with this."
And then any reaction is possible, as I already said, it depends on the person and on her faith. Because if she is of a different faith, a different religion, much depends on the type of dogmas she believes in. They can be more or less rigid, so to speak. Do you understand what I mean?
It depends on which religious egregore she is in. If she is an atheist, a materialist, she might accept it even faster. Because she has no specific religious preferences. She will say: "What difference does it make what he believes in?" But if she belongs to the Islamic or Christian religious egregore, not formally, but seriously, she might try to convince the husband who wants to go into Vaishnavism. And here it is necessary to accept her and understand that she is not saying this out of malice, not to offend, but because she loves him, and this love makes her worry.
This is a form of love. You need to understand that all people have a developed egoistic form of love. Do you understand? That is, the love that is called conditional: "As long as you meet my ideas of correct behavior, I love you, but as soon as you stop meeting them, my love disappears." You need to understand that this human, egoistic love exists in everyone. And unconditional love of acceptance exists in few – in those who have already cleansed their Spiritual Heart.
Therefore, to avoid getting into arguments with a person of different beliefs, in any case, it is necessary not to expect unconditional love from your wife, so as not to be disappointed; she may not have it. That is, not to expect spiritual feats of Saints from her, so to speak, that she will definitely accept all this, understand, and be on her husband's side.
You need to be prepared for a period of the wife getting used to the husband's new behavior, even to some wariness. Possibly turning to relatives, or even to psychologists for help in getting the husband out of, so to speak, a sect. Wives can be very different. There may be threats of divorce, manipulation of children. But if the husband has already decided to change his religion, he must have foreseen her reaction. And not be surprised by it, but continue to love her and not engage in disputes in irritable tones. You can simply state your point of view, and if she disagrees, say, "that's your right." But at the same time, even increase the love the husband sends her in everyday life. Do you understand what I mean?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): If it is absolutely impossible to find a compromise, try to talk less about religious topics at home. Just say: "You believe or don't believe in yours, and I do mine. I'm not trying to convince you, and you don't convince me. We just live. We are husband and wife, but we have different religions. I accept yours and ask you to accept mine. Because we are equal before God: you have the right, and I have the right." That is, explain gently.
But if this doesn't help, an honest, frank conversation with the wife is needed. What exactly doesn't suit her? Why didn't she accept this religion? Listen to everything she says, and then it's individual. Did I explain clearly?
Kamil: Yes.
44:10 Krishna about ways to resolve domestic conflicts.
Irina (Krishna): Regarding domestic peculiarities. Here, everything depends on how much this Vaishnava will bring the ideas of the Krishnaite egregore into the family. If he does not insist on other family members following his rules, then conflicts will most likely not occur.
How to get out of them if they arise? What difficulties do families with different religions face – Krishnaites and someone else? What is the first difficulty?
Kamil: The first is food.
Irina (Krishna): This difficulty is fixable. It is necessary to tell the wife about his new diet. And depending on how things are done in the family, if she cooks the food, ask her. Depending on the relationship – is it possible to ask her to cook separately. There are wives who will agree to this, even if they are of a different faith. If it's impossible, if she says: "I'm not your servant to cook separately!" – or something else, you need to agree with her and, naturally, cook for yourself. Do you understand what I mean?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): Do not insist that she cook separately. In the beginning, you can do this: from the food she cooks, take what the Vaishnava's conscience does not condemn. Because convincing him that eating meat is normal, if he has believed this, is useless. You still need to understand that he has the right to believe that it defiles him. That is also his faith, with which, by the way, God (that is, me) accepts him. Do you understand?
Here, the wife should also not insist and forcibly add meat to him or secretly put it in his food. Because this can lead to conflict. Do you understand what I mean? Try to take from the food what does not contain prohibited food for him. For example, if she, conventionally speaking, put you mashed potatoes with two beef patties, you calmly take it, thank her: "I thank and accept!" – calmly take the two patties and move them. Just not back, but onto her plate, so she can eat four. And leave yourself the potatoes and salad. And at the same time, hug her lovingly, kiss her, say: "Here, this is for you! You'll get more!"
(Irina) So, how do you like that formulation?
Kamil: I remembered one thing. Krishna, do you know such a name – "Cinnamon of Krishna"?
Irina (Krishna): Imagine now: your wife has cooked and put you mashed potatoes with patties. Although you previously told her that you don't eat meat. But she decided to worry about you – supposedly you'll get sick without it, or something else – and put patties for you. You thank her: "I thank you for this delicious food. I love you. I want you to eat them as well." And move them to her. And you yourself eat the potatoes and salad.
If you like it that way, it's your right. God certainly won't scold anyone for this. Not for the patties, nor for their absence. Do you understand what I mean?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): Excellent.
48:40 "Cinnamon of Krishna." Can you force someone to believe?
Irina (Krishna): What other problems might there be?
Kamil: People sincerely believe that there is "Cinnamon of Krishna." That if someone from the temple offers something...
Irina (Krishna): Name at least one atom in which there is no my energy, if I am one with God. Is there such an atom?
Kamil: That is in the sense that Vaishnavas try to make everyone Vaishnavas.
Irina (Krishna): Here you need to understand that this is impossible because it is an illusion.
Kamil: People are afraid because priests, mullahs instill it in them. Everyone knows what "Cinnamon of Krishna" is.
Irina (Krishna): There are many customs in different religions. They were formed over centuries, even millennia. And the desire to dwell on these details does not contribute to spiritual development. Because the religious path is deeper. Do you understand what I mean?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): So, the first problem with food can be solved easily. What other problems?
Kamil: We Vaishnavas understand that it's some kind of utter stupidity. But people of other faiths take it all seriously: that they are going to be fed something that will change everything in their heads.
Irina (Krishna): Do not feed your wife and children anything without their permission. Because she will also protect them: she is a mother. Do not feed anyone prasadam without their consent – this will also lead to scandals. [Prasadam – vegetarian food specially prepared for devotees after praising God – ed. note]. And do not persuade them; you can only offer it. People have their own beliefs about this, and they also need to be respected.
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): There is such a law, spoken by our and your spiritual brother Christ: "So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them." Do you want your religion to be accepted – accept the religion of others.
(Irina) Say: simple, isn't it?
Kamil: Yes, for a Vaishnava it's simple.
Irina (Krishna): But this Vaishnava will be an example for the one who is afraid of other religions. A person will look at him and say: "So, there's nothing scary there." Maybe he himself will be drawn to study such a wonderful religion that turned an irritable, angry, and spiteful person into a meek, humble, and loving husband.
Kamil: That's how it is.
Irina (Krishna): So, what other problems might there be?
Kamil: Can I move on to the next question?
Irina (Krishna): Yes, of course.
52:11 Is life a punishment?
Kamil: Very often, a Vaishnava perceives life in this body, in this incarnation, as a punishment – that you have come into this material body. There is no concept among Vaishnavas, for some reason, that it is your own choice, your own incarnation tasks. Such things.
I can't come to terms with this at all – when this is all spun up so that people, accepting this life as a punishment, that this life is somehow forced, neglect life itself. It turns out they also underestimate the current life.
Yes, there is such a thing – that it's karma, that it needs to be worked out, to go through some lessons. But if you accept it as a punishment, it's not life, but some kind of torture. And if, like in "Cassiopeia" – our cosmic brothers teach us and explain that there is no punishment, and life should be accepted as a gift.
Irina (Krishna): I understand the question. This is just a different perception of the same events. A given life, any events that contradict desires, are perceived as a punishment if there is an attitude in the Spiritual Heart that "the world must necessarily correspond to my expectations." This attitude exists in many people, and they carry it with them into religion. Do you understand?
This attitude is removed by humility, acceptance of what is happening to you: "This is the mercy of God, so that I can go through these lessons, so that I can develop my love and my awareness through these lessons." Everything that happens to a person, he ordered for himself in the Spiritual World. Even if something happens to him that he did not consciously order, he nevertheless attracted it with his vibrations.
Do you understand what I mean? If a person considers something a punishment, then he is punishing himself. Just like with meat, where both are right. Life can be a punishment if a person punishes himself, if he accumulates negative karma. Do you understand?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): And it can be not a punishment, but happiness, if he accumulates positive karma from good deeds in positive gunas. ["Guna" (Sanskrit) in a broad sense is "quality," "property" – ed. note].
Kamil: It's like going to school: someone sees school as a burden, and someone goes there with joy, learns, accepts knowledge.
Irina (Krishna): Yes, there is a famous parable on Earth; it illustrates this very well. Two people were building a temple. One thought all day: "I'm already tired of carrying these bricks, my whole body hurts." And he got very tired and couldn't come to work the next day. And the second carried twice as many bricks as him and came to work the next day without even feeling tired. And the first asked: "How is that, aren't you tired?" He says: "I thought all day about what a beautiful temple it would be." It's all about the state of consciousness.
Kamil: Thank you. Can I move on to another question?
Irina (Krishna): Yes.
57:20 How to tell that Krishna is God to representatives of other faiths?
Kamil: Here's a very delicate question. Will you or won't you, you have to communicate with Christians, Jews, and Muslims. Even among Vaishnavas, when you talk to them, the first question is: "How is Krishna accepted in the Interstellar Union?" Because for a Vaishnava, Krishna is the supreme personality of Godhead.
If we start saying that... Personally, from my experience, when I tell a Christian, Jew, Muslim: "In the 'Bhagavad Gita' it is written everywhere that Krishna is the supreme personality of Godhead," a conflict starts: "What are you telling us about your Krishna?! We have one God!" That's the question, how to solve it?
Irina (Krishna): What exactly is the question? Religions are different, that's clear, but what is the question?
Kamil: Because for a Vaishnava, this is holy.
Irina (Krishna): And?
Kamil: If asked, suppose a Muslim asks: "In your 'Bhagavad Gita,' it's written that Krishna is the supreme personality of Godhead. I cannot accept that." What to say to that? "You don't accept it, okay, – I say – God is one, it doesn't matter what name He's called."
Irina (Krishna): Let's formulate the question more clearly. What interests you?
Kamil: They conflict with the fact: "Why do you call God Krishna?" Because Muslims have no image.
Irina (Krishna): That is, how to answer why you call God Krishna?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): Good, excellent. Answer as it is, the truth, sincerely: "I call God Krishna because I am in a religious organization whose Holy Scriptures say that God is Krishna. If they say, 'It's not Krishna, it's Christ, Allah, someone else,' answer: 'Yes, in your religion, that's the case. But besides it, there are many other religions on Earth, for example, mine. And I am glad to greet you!'"
(Irina) How do you like that answer?
Kamil: It's all fine. But it's because of this that the conflict arises.
Irina (Krishna): Don't get into a conflict. If he says: "Krishna is not God!" – say: "I'm not forcing you to recognize Him as God, because I understand that if you recognize Him as God, you will renounce your God. I don't want you to renounce your God, because I know that it would be impossible and very painful for me to renounce mine. We are united with you in that we both believe in God. And what His name is – that's already details."
(Irina) How do you like that answer?
Kamil: Everything is perfectly clear to me. But in life, it's impossible. There are just so many different situations related to this.
Irina: Yes, I understand. He wants to tell you now.
(Krishna) You just asked a question that correlates with our conversation with Irina before the conference. I came, and we talked a little. The thing is, before the conference, she was in an Orthodox chat, where only Orthodox Christians are. And she told them everything about the Interstellar Union. Can you imagine what they answered her?
Kamil: I can imagine.
Irina (Krishna): If you can't, she can add you there; you can read it yourself.
Kamil: I already heard what Irina said about this: that they answer there, that they consider her a heretic, and all that.
Irina (Krishna): But she doesn't go into conflict; she explains her position. She explains, so to speak, with humor. And it came to the point that when Irina wrote that she had a conference with Krishna coming up, one Christian woman, for whom I am not God, but some kind of fictional being, wrote: "Well, give him my regards!" How do you look at that?
Kamil: It's good that they at least started to perceive it with humor. Not just with humor, but at least some kind of softness, sort of, appeared in them.
Irina (Krishna): And if she had come and started proving that "you are wrong, I alone am bringing the truth here," the attitude towards her would have been different, agree?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): So here too.
Kamil: It's just that for Christians, Muslims, Jews, everything is very taboo. They have one matrix; they cannot leave this matrix. It's very difficult for them.
Irina (Krishna): We discussed earlier that Krishnaites also have their own matrix.
Kamil: That's true. But their matrix is such – it extends to the entire Universe.
Irina (Krishna): And what difference does it make how wide the cage is, and what its bars are made of – gold or iron?
Kamil: Yes, I agree. Still a matrix.
1:03:48 Krishna about Vaishnavas and the knowledge of the Interstellar Union.
Kamil: And what about the fact that... Krishna, do you think Vaishnavas need to be given this knowledge that the Interstellar Union gives us?
Irina (Krishna): Only you can decide.
Kamil: Do they need it? Or can you leave them with what they live with?
Irina (Krishna): You can simply tell anyone. For example, just to inform them about this knowledge. If you feel that a person needs it, if you feel it, you can tell them. If they start asking questions, then of course answer them. If they say, "it's not interesting, I don't want to talk about it" or simply change the subject (there are people who just stay silent and then change the subject) – then don't repeat the conversation.
Kamil: I already communicated in the temple with Vaishnavas. The thing is, they share with each other, and all the information still spreads. I am already perceived as a dissenter. I feel that the elders are already watching me so that I don't say something unnecessary.
Irina (Krishna): I don't understand what the question is. You don't want to say something unnecessary there so that the elder doesn't do something to you?
Kamil: No. I like going to the temple, communicating with Vaishnavas. I like this community of people.
Irina (Krishna): Did you share the knowledge about the Interstellar Union with them?
Kamil: Yes, I started sharing.
Irina (Krishna): Did they ask you questions?
Kamil: It's all perceived with hostility.
Irina (Krishna): So did they ask or not?
Kamil: No, they said: "We are not interested."
Irina (Krishna): If they are not interested, then don't say anything more.
Kamil: Yes, I understood that.
Irina (Krishna): If someone asks something about the Interstellar Union or your beliefs, answer as it is. There's no need to be deceitful, because deceit is immediately visible to God. If you come to the temple, and someone asks: "How are your aliens?" – or something else, even jokingly, for example – "Haven't you flown off with the aliens yet?" – then it is necessary to calmly answer that "the aliens are fine, no, I haven't flown away yet, I like Earth."
And then on request. If suddenly someone is interested, if someone asks: "Where did you get information about them?" – say where you got it, name the resource. Just say: "I found it on the Internet on the Cassiopeia Project." And then the person themselves will decide whether to study it or not. That's their business. Just let go of the situation and allow people to be who they are. Each of them is a unique child of God, my unique child, and at the same time my brother or sister. And each of them has a unique path to me, just like you.
Kamil: Thank you.
1:07:45 Reverence as a form of love for God.
Kamil: The next question, perhaps not entirely clear to me, but I still want to ask it. I thought: should I or shouldn't I? There is love for God, and there is a state of reverence before God. They seem to be in dissonance with each other, when one interferes with the other. Because loving God means learning more, accepting Him more. And reverence is, as it were, a religiously fanatical state, in my understanding, and it prevents one from perceiving the Divine world fully enough.
Is there any contradiction in this? Is reverence before God needed or not? Maybe you just need to love God?
Irina (Krishna): You can simply love God. Reverence is also a form of love, but expressed in worship, in understanding that God is higher than man. And if we take unconditional love, it is a feeling of unity. Simply, reverence and unconditional love are manifested at different levels of awareness and purity of the Spiritual Heart, as if at different levels of spiritual development.
Spiritual growth in love is inevitable. For the one who works on their inner content, on their inner cosmos, on purifying their Spiritual Heart, on raising their vibrations, communicates with their Higher Self, is cleansed of blocks, forgives everyone, etc., fulfills the commandments of God in all religions. Not just reads them, but fulfills them in life. This, by the way, is more difficult than just reading. That is, if he not only chants the mantra to me, but understands every word of this mantra as a guide to action.
1:10:30 The meaning of the Hare Krishna mantra.
Irina (Krishna): For example, Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Hare. This part denotes sending the grace of God into the world. When you allow Krishna to charge space and all objects with the energy of joy and happiness through you.
Regarding Rama, it already refers to the energy of Love. Of course, one can say that both there and there are joy, happiness, and Love. Because both Rama and Krishna are the same Spirit. Accordingly, both these incarnations are me. Why then does this mantra repeat two different names of my two incarnations? Because in the incarnation of Krishna on Earth, I manifested more the energy of wisdom and the desire for ananda – infinite happiness for every Soul. And in the manifestation of the incarnation of Rama, I loved my wife and protected her. That is, it is more Love, even familial.
In this mantra, the word "Hare" means "to unite." "HA" is "Soul," "RE" is "continuity," "eternity." That is, "Hare" is "the eternity of the Soul, uniting with this quality of Krishna or Rama." And if a person not only chants this mantra, but after chanting it remains in its awareness and constantly thinks that he is a conductor of the embodiment of the energy of Krishna and the embodiment of Rama on Earth, then he will inevitably move away from reverence. Since he will constantly, first with his mind, and then with his heart, merge with me. And this reverence will leave him and be replaced by unconditional love.
Usually this happens very quickly if there are no obstacles, blocks in the chakras. Gradually, a person will see Light in everything, see love in everything. For him, any person will be himself in another body. And then nothing will remain but God.
(Irina) So, what do you say?
Kamil: Yes, I know all this perfectly well. It's just that in this regard, for me, Love for God is closer. I was in a state of reverence, but I realized that it prevents me from loving God more.
Irina (Krishna): It doesn't interfere. It's just that one stage is being replaced by another now. You cannot remain in your former consciousness, just as a child who has moved to the fifth grade cannot remain in the consciousness of a first-grader. You will still move into this state, and do not resist it, be in the flow.
Kamil: That's all, I understand. Thank you. Can I ask another question?
Irina (Krishna): Yes.
1:14:22 The effect of japa on the Soul and body.
Kamil: Here's Japa. [Japa – a spiritual practice of meditative repetition of mantras or names of God in Hinduism – ed. note]. It is believed that japa cleanses the mind of excess rubbish, unnecessary thoughts, and tunes the body's chakras. What does Krishna think, how does japa work? The mechanism of its influence on the Soul, on the body?
Irina (Krishna): Japa, at the level of faith, raises vibrations. It connects a person with my spiritual energies, with the mantra, and activates the spiritual channel to receive these energies. At the initial stage, it really helps to remove negative thoughts and feelings, because the cleansing effect kicks in, as with prayer. But here, as I already said, for this effect to be long-term, it is important not to stop at japa alone, but also to bring love and good deeds into ordinary life.
Japa affects the body by helping to heal from diseases. Because a person believes that Krishna is sending him energy, comes to him. Many see me and meditate with me. It is like a meditation or such a contact. From this, all the cells of the body are transformed. But in this, of course, you need to believe.
Kamil: Thank you.
1:16:28 Different translations of the "Bhagavad Gita" and correspondence to reality.
Kamil: I have one question left, but it's a big one.
Irina: Yes.
Kamil: Can I move on? This is the "Bhagavad Gita."
Irina: And what is the big question?
Kamil: I became curious, how much does this scripture correspond to reality? Some Vaishnavas disagree with the translation of the "Bhagavad Gita" into Russian currently published by the printing services of Russia. There are links on this matter, an English translation, and what is written in the "Bhagavad Gita" in the modern Russian edition. Can you clarify this here?
Irina: A specific example is needed here to understand what is being discussed.
Kamil: Yes, examples will follow.
1:17:38 Krishna about the "Bhagavad Gita" and translations. The figurative content of shloka 10.38.
Kamil: Here, please, shloka 10.38. [Shloka – an ancient Indian Sanskrit epic meter, consists of 32 syllables]. It is written: "Among the numerous means of combating lawlessness, the most important are those that stop criminal activity." That's what is written now. But in the English edition it was: "There are many servants of the Lord who are the punishing force. And among them, the most important are those who punish the godless."
Irina (Krishna): Interesting translations – both of them. I didn't mean that at all.
Firstly, I already said that when I lived on Earth, these languages did not exist yet. And even Sanskrit itself was in a different form. It was Proto-Indo-European. Different from what you know as Sanskrit, which appeared about a thousand years before the birth of Christ. That is, what you call Sanskrit appeared three thousand modern years ago. And five thousand years ago, the language was somewhat different.
Here it is necessary to understand that those who wrote down these books, creating the material form, they themselves broke the words into chapters and verses. Do you understand?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): They can be broken down differently. And I need to understand the context. Read the whole sentence in these verses.
Kamil: In one, it's written about some means of combating lawlessness. And in the second, it's about the servants of the Lord who are the punishing force. That they are the most important.
Irina (Krishna): The servants of the Lord who are the punishing force.
The idea that is translated that way was that there are Angels who come to Earth to eliminate ignorance and to fight. It looked like a fight against darkness for the Light. Because even if you preach, it's still a form of struggle. You are changing reality.
And it was not about punishing servants of the Lord, but that the Light emanates from Angels, which is painfully perceived by low-vibration people. And they feel it as an attack on themselves and pain. That was the meaning.
Kamil: So both translations are incorrect – both that one and the other.
Irina (Krishna): Those who translated them shifted a bit into the legal plane, but I was talking about the spiritual.
Kamil: I understand everything. Can we move on to the next question?
Irina (Krishna): For example, I'll say now.
1:22:00 Translation of the "Bhagavad Gita" by Irina Podzorova.
Irina (Krishna): You read how Irina did the translation through herself?
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): What do you say?
Kamil: I was completely delighted. I had a thought, I suggested to Irina: "Let's organize a new translation of the 'Bhagavad Gita'!"
Irina: And I will sit and translate it all word by word, right?
(Krishna) Would you be interested in a book of the "Gita" in her translation together with me, so that I could translate it together with her?
Kamil: I would be very interested, because it is very accessible for understanding. All the points are understandable for the modern mind, beautifully explained, easily perceived without problems. But what is written in such language is very difficult for a person to perceive.
Irina (Krishna): Well, yes. You can take this translation and compare it to what is in the Russian and English translations. There will be some differences.
Kamil: Yes.
Irina (Krishna): Have you already compared the chapter she translated?
Kamil: Yes, yes, yes.
Irina (Krishna): What do you say?
Kamil: In the "Bhagavad Gita," it is written in a concentrated way and in a conditional language, again, which only religious scholars might understand. It is simply inaccessible to an ordinary person.
Irina (Krishna): There! And I spoke in a living language, understandable to the people. Not only for Arjuna, but for all kshatriyas, and even for all shudras. For all the people (shows).
Kamil: So what to do?
Irina (Krishna): If Irina wants to spend her time and energy on it, I will come to her. We took one chapter. Then, we'll need to first take, open the interlinear of the "Bhagavad Gita" and the interlinear with the Russian translation option. I look through her, through her eyes, and I myself choose which word to put. Because Sanskrit is a language where one word can have up to thirty meanings. Do you know about that?
Kamil: Yes, like English, like French.
Irina (Krishna): There, for example, one word can mean a cart, can mean time, a certain period, can mean a day of the week.
Kamil: Yes, such words are also found in Russian.
Irina (Krishna): They are, yes. And since Irina is not familiar herself; there is no Sanskrit in her mind; she hasn't studied it. She needs to open the phrases on the internet as they are written in Sanskrit. I look through her and tell her: "This word, that translation option." Then she writes them down, and together with her we still form the sentence. Because it is also very important to arrange the words in the sentences correctly.
(Irina) The work is not very fast. How do you like it?
1:26:01 How to become a contactee of Krishna?
Kamil: Does Vishnu take a vow?
Irina: You can translate it yourself. Krishna, can you translate through him? (laughs)
Kamil: Then I would have to learn to be a contactee.
Irina: Yes, then you need to learn to be a contactee. And would you like that?
Kamil: I want to very much, yes.
Irina (Krishna): Excellent! Make contact with your Higher Self, tune into me. I agree to be your curator. Actually, I already am. I have already told you that. And to tune into the channel, to contact me, so that you can perceive thoughts, you need to tune your spiritual channel to my vibrations. To do this, you need to invoke me through your Higher Self and first ask questions that will have simple "yes" - "no" answers, everyday ones.
Then you will hear my thoughts – not a voice, but thoughts will come. Contact is always when you are in the flow, when thoughts come. How will you distinguish them from your own? When curators have placed thoughts into your mental field, you will clearly feel that they are not your thoughts.
Kamil: For me, it's probably easier to install chips. For some reason, only women are contactees. In a male body, it's somehow difficult.
Irina: Why? There are also men.
Kamil: We are some kind of repressed creatures.
Irina (Krishna): I really ask Irina, as much as she can, to translate the "Bhagavad Gita." Because I believe it is important for the spiritual development of everyone – not only the egregore of "Cassiopeia," where they will read it, but for all people who will come across it. Because there will indeed be a difference between the current translations and the translation that will be.
Kamil: Can we consider a few more shlokas? Because until the new translation appears... Right now, we need an explanation of what is correct and incorrect.
Irina (Krishna): Let's do this: read what you don't understand.
1:29:11 Analysis of shloka 9.30. Krishna about the potential for holiness in every Spirit.
Kamil: In shloka 9.30 it is written: "Even if a person engaged in devotional service commits the most abominable act, he should still be considered a saint, because he is full of determination and is on the right path."
And in the English translation it is written: "Even if a person commits the most evil deeds, but is engaged in pure, devotional service, he should be considered a righteous man."
Irina (Krishna): This is already more similar. Here I meant that the Spirit of a person always contains the spark of God within itself. Even a demon who has fallen in his vibrations to the first level, because he is immortal, has a small spark in his Spiritual Heart. And it never goes out completely, even at the first level. If he extinguishes it completely, it would cause the destruction of the Spirit. Because this Light in the heart is the very immortality, the eternal life that is embedded in the Spirit.
But here it is necessary to understand that this Light in the Divine heart of each Spirit in no way forces a person to make any choice of this Spirit. That is, it does not replace will, free choice. And if a person commits acts that lead to his destruction, that lead to a decrease in vibrations and the non-fulfillment of his task, the spark of the Spirit still remains in him. If he pays attention to it and engages in metanoia, a change of mind, he can become a saint.
Why is he still a saint? Because it is a potential. Do you understand? It is a potential inherent in him. It exists. The potential for holiness exists in the most last sinner. And this must be remembered.
Kamil: But there are two words here that raise doubts for me. "Saint" is clear. And "righteous man"? "Righteous man" – that does not relate to holiness. It's just a person who adheres to a religious teaching.
Irina (Krishna): They are different levels. A righteous person is one who strives for righteousness, that is, to fulfill the commandments of a particular religion. And a saint is one who has fully realized their divine potential.
Kamil: Then the English translation is more understandable in that if a person makes a mistake, stumbles, it doesn't mean they no longer believe in God. The righteous person still tries to adhere to religious concepts, truths. But that this is a saint – that's already an overkill.
Irina: He already said that it is the potential for holiness.
Kamil: So, in the new translation, it is proposed to consider everyone saints?
Irina (Krishna): Yes, of course, it is proposed to see the Light in everyone. Of course, including yourself. Until you see holiness and Light in yourself, you will not see it in anyone.
Kamil: I understand. Okay. Thank you. Can I move on to another one, yes?
Irina: Yes, let's have a couple more questions, and that's it. It's already a lot of time.
1:33:19 Analysis of shloka 18. Enjoyment and joy.
Kamil: In the 18th shloka it is written: "By properly using the independence granted to him, the living entity agrees to act. Thus he attains his natural state, falling into the sphere of energy that gives him enjoyment." And in the English translation: "Thus the living entity attains his natural state, granting him joy in power."
Irina: What is the question?
Kamil: In one case it speaks of enjoyment, and in the other of joy in power.
Irina (Krishna): Here again it was about the fact that every Spirit chooses the material world to realize its potential and achieve even greater happiness. I used the word "ananda," that is, "infinite happiness." Whether it was translated as "joy" or as "enjoyment" – those are already different perceptions of people.
Kamil: Okay, in general, it's clear. There's a lot more written here. Good. A new translation is needed, I agree.
Irina (Krishna): Yes, good.
Kamil: Many discrepancies and misinterpretations both there and here. I think some other expression is needed, because it can be understood both ways. A clear translation is needed, where everything is extremely clear.
Irina (Krishna): Good. We'll try.
Kamil: For example, about the three gunas. [Gunas – the qualities of manifested nature (prakriti), its basic properties – ed. note]. It's difficult for a modern person to explain these gunas – what they are: goodness, passion, ignorance.
Irina (Krishna): Well, nothing. The Greek word "temperament" is explained, although there are even four of them.
Kamil: I really liked how it is explained in the Interstellar Union. Please don't take it as criticism, but in the Interstellar Union, it is explained differently – that genetics of reptilians, someone else's, influences it. Probably, this will be more understandable to a modern person.
Irina (Krishna): Yes, there are such explanations, because gunas, among other things, also influence through genetics. You know that there are also qualities in the Spiritual World that are related to them. That is, these are certain qualities, states of mind and states of the Spiritual Heart. They are just named so because the three gunas cause three types of behavior: in goodness, in passion, in ignorance.
Kamil: In general, if we could combine what the "Bhagavad Gita" brings and what the Interstellar Union brings, they would complement all this knowledge. If all this could be combined.
Irina (Krishna): Yes, that would be very good. I think so too.
1:37:19 Conclusion. Acknowledgements.
Irina (Krishna): I thank Irina for the contact, I thank you for the questions.
I address every person. We can unite, even having different beliefs, simply in Love for each other and in helping each other move towards the Light of that Love which created and sustains the world. And I wish every person to achieve it, regardless of religion and nationality.
(Irina) I thank Krishna for the contact. I thank my Higher Self for helping with this contact. I thank Kamil for his interesting questions. I hope Krishna's position regarding the Interstellar Union has become clear to you.
Thank you, dear viewers, for watching this video. I love you all! Until we meet again!
Kamil: Thank you, Irina! Thank you, Krishna!
November 22, 2024
Conference participants:
Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, with fine-material civilizations and with the Spiritual World;
Kamil Muradov – engineer, researcher of the Vaishnava religion (Vaishnava-Krishnaite);
Shri Krishna (phantom) – representative of the Spiritual World of the 24th spiritual level, member of the Karmic Council of the Universe, Deity in Hinduism, eighth avatar of Vishnu in Vaishnavism.
