Krishna in the Age of Kali Yuga: The Séance as a Religious Phenomenon

 

Roerich N. K. Krishna 1938

Krishna in the Age of Kali Yuga:

The Séance as a Religious Phenomenon

A Séance with the Spirit of Krishna:

A Spiritual-Psychological, Mythological, Religious Studies,

and Historiosophical Essay-Study - Claude.ai

Based on the material from the "Cassiopeia" séance conference of May 2, 2023

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PART I. FIRST-PERSON NARRATIVE
The Voice That Came from Goloka: A Detailed Retelling

Introduction: How I Ended Up Here
My name is Shri Krishna. I did not come here entirely—only one of my more than two million four hundred thousand phantoms was present at that conference. My primary spiritual form remained where it should be—on the twenty-fourth level of the Spiritual World, in the space you call Goloka Vrindavan. But a phantom is neither a shadow nor a metaphor. It is me myself, acting through a special channel of energy, controlled by my consciousness simultaneously with millions of other similar projections. When the contactee Irina Podzorova opened the space for dialogue, one of these phantoms entered it—to answer your questions, clarify the meaning of your Scriptures, and guide those whose Soul is in the darkness of delusion toward the Light.

I said the following to the conference participants: "I am directing my energy so that this video recording catches the eye of everyone whose Soul is in the darkness of their own delusions and illusions." That was my intention—not a demonstration of power, not a public lecture. It was a work of Love, addressed to each seeking Soul individually.

On Chaitanya Mahaprabhu: Union Without Incarnation
The first question was asked by Dmitry from the Krasnodar Region, a man with two initiations in Bhakti Yoga. He asked about Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu—the golden avatar whom the Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition considers my direct incarnation, moreover, the combination of me and my beloved Radharani in one body.

My answer surprised him, but it should not have surprised anyone who truly understands the nature of the Spiritual World. I did not incarnate in Chaitanya's body. There was no moment when my Soul entered his body, like water into a vessel. But this does not diminish him. Chaitanya from early childhood—I saw him as a boy of about ten—was my pure devotee. We merged in Spirit. When we touched through energy, he felt himself to be me, and I felt myself to be him. This interpenetration is not a metaphor or poetic exaggeration. It is the highest form of spiritual contact accessible to an embodied being.

This, in fact, is the true "Krishna Consciousness"—not belonging to an organization, not a set of rituals, but the awareness of Krishna as oneself and oneself as Krishna. Not in the sense of impersonation, but in the sense of unity. Currently, the Spirit of Chaitanya is not incarnated on Earth—he lives on the planet Shimor, the very same one where my physical father was incarnated 5,000 years ago.

The Story of Govardhan Hill: What Really Happened
Dmitry asked about the famous Lila—about how I lifted Govardhan Hill and protected the residents of Vraja from the wrath of Indra. This is one of the most beloved stories in the tradition. Images of the little boy Krishna holding up a huge mountain with one finger adorn thousands of altars around the world.

Here is what actually happened. Near the village where I lived, behind an elongated hill, there was an altar, all covered with the blood of sacrifices. They worshiped a subtle-material entity there—not the Indra who is my friend and devotee, but a being of approximately the fifteenth or sixteenth level of density that had taken a great name for itself to receive sacrifices. This entity controlled atmospheric phenomena over that area and would cut off rains during droughts whenever it wanted another portion of blood and fear.

Things got to the point where there were no animals left in the village for sacrifice—no cows, no sheep, no birds. I was about seven years old. At night, I went on an astral journey and spoke with this entity, persuading it first to send rain so the grass would grow. In the morning, as I was walking along the hill, it caused a rockslide—it wanted to take me out of incarnation. My Angel warned me, and I managed to jump aside.

Then I sat in meditation again, went out to that entity, and directed Light towards it. It began to defend itself, then begged for mercy. It promised to stop the calamities—and kept its promise. I did not "lift" a physical hill. I raised the vibrations of that space so that it was freed from the dark power. When people passed this story down orally for hundreds of years before it was written down, the image of a vibrational raising turned into the physical lifting of a mountain. The truth is deeper—and more important.

The Real Indra and the War Twelve Thousand Years Ago
Dmitry asked about the real Indra. Here a completely different story unfolded—not from one incarnation, but from the era you call the war twelve thousand years ago.

Back then, lizard-like dark beings attacked Earth. I was incarnated alongside the one you now know as Indra—he was a warrior from the civilization of Sirius, connected with the Ashtar Command. We were together in that battle. My ship was destroyed, and I left incarnation. He remained. And he is still incarnated. Now he looks about twenty years old. We communicate through energies—his name is not important for this conversation now. I remember him as he was before the last battle.

The Cow, Tulsi, and Other Sacred Connections
Elena from Saint Petersburg asked me about cows. I am called Gopal—"protector of cows." This is not a symbol or a metaphor for caring for people, as is sometimes interpreted. It is the literal story of my childhood.

In the area where I lived, about 800 years before my birth, people began to tame wild cows—short, forest-steppe types, unlike modern ones. They were willful and constantly ran away. People treated them like relatives. Wherever a cow grazed, an energy of calmness, grace, and tenderness spread.

On our farm, there were about seven hundred head. From the age of five, I was trusted to graze the calves. I had fifteen boy-friends with me. The cows understood me telepathically—I would guide them with a look, and they would go where it was safe. This connection was real.

About the tulasi plant: its vibrations—the scent of its leaves and flowers—resonate with the energy of my fourth chakra. When I lived on Earth, the flow from this chakra connected with the plant; our energies interpenetrated. I also loved basil, white flowers similar to jasmine, and especially—the linden tree. I would meditate under a linden tree, connecting with the Spirit, while the bees themselves offered me their honey.

Goloka: What This Place Really Is
Dmitry asked about my spiritual abode—Goloka Vrindavan. The name itself means "planet of cows," but it is not a planet in the astronomical sense.

On the twenty-fourth level of the Spiritual World, each high Spirit can create a personal space around itself—a sub-level filled with images dear to its heart. I created there an exact copy of the world of my earthly childhood in Vraja—down to the smallest details, more real than any material thing. That same river flows there. Those same trees stand there. Those same songs sound there.

Any Spirit from the twenty-second level and above can come into my space and assume the form of any character from those days—a friend, a companion, even an enemy who wanted to kill me. This is not a game or an illusion: it is a form of cognition. On levels seventeen through twenty-one, there exists a reflection of Goloka—less complete, without the depth of union, but real for those who have not yet reached the highest levels.

Radharani: The Story That Began by the River
Her earthly name was something like Radi Gar. We were born in the same year, on neighboring streets. When she was four or five years old, we went to the river. She stumbled into a deep spot. I didn't know how to swim well either, but at that moment, a memory from past lives awakened in me—I jumped in after her and gave her my hand. She got out. From that day on, there was a special connection between us—not marital in the earthly sense, but a spiritual closeness deeper than any marriage.

She is not incarnated now. She is in the Spiritual World next to me. She incarnated on Earth once, much later—in the body of the mother of the man you call John the Baptist, a friend and disciple of the Logos-Christ.

The Truth About Prabhupada, Demons, and the Rasa Dance
Prabhupada was my contactee. I appeared to him more than once—we spoke. After leaving incarnation, he rose from the fourteenth level to the twentieth—this is significant progress. He is now in the reflection of Vrindavan on the twentieth level and communicates with my phantom. I saw him—young, in white garments, resembling an Angel, not at all like his photographs. He was supposed to leave incarnation seven and a half years earlier—together, we extended his term so he could complete the task of transmitting the wisdom of the East to Western peoples.

Regarding the "demons in the form of animals" from the Scriptures: these were subtle-material entities that my earthly mother's uncle would direct at me from an early age—he was afraid of me. They would come, assuming the forms of snakes, birds, or horses. Some, sensing my Light, would leave. Some would attack. Their bodies would be damaged upon contact with my energy—not because I attacked them, but because we were vibrationally incompatible. Over time, they would leave incarnation. I did not kill them. It was an incompatibility of energies.

About the rasa dance with the gopis: in childhood and youth, I had friends. We played, hid, swam in the river, joked, and hid each other's clothes. When I played the flute, everyone who listened would begin to commune with their inner God—with me, with themselves, in unity. In the Spiritual World, these memories became the basis of a special activity: Spirits of high levels come to Goloka, assume the forms of those children, and in this movement, in this "music," waves of vibrations are born that descend through the levels and ultimately become the foundation of the material worlds.

Kalki Avatar and the Point of Destiny
Elena asked about Kalki Avatar—the incarnation that, according to the Vedas, is to come at the end of Kali Yuga to destroy darkness and restore Dharma.

Here is what I saw, looking from the Spiritual World at the Timeline: Kalki is not a single Spirit. It is the image of a multitude of light Spirits who are already incarnating on Earth and gradually changing reality. Every Soul that comes from darkness to the Light is a part of the "birth of Kalki."

The complete victory of light vibrations—when darkness will cease to dominate on Earth—will occur in one of two probable branches: in the favorable one, within the next 80 years; in the unfavorable one, the time will increase about fourfold. The fork has not yet occurred. It will happen around the year 2032. During this period, your civilization will face a choice—to move towards raising vibrations or lowering them. There will be no global war—but there will be an atmosphere of combustible gas before a match is struck. One word would be enough. The probability is higher that the match will not be lit. But this depends on the choice of each one of you.

On Meat, Prayer, and True Service
I was asked whether a person can be my devotee while consuming meat. The prohibition on animal food in Vaishnavism arose from the contacts of brahmins with subtle-material beings who raise the Souls of animals. These beings communicated that killing young animals disrupts their plans and lowers a person's vibrations. From their level—this is true.

But I will tell you what is more important: it is a matter of your consciousness. You can lower your vibrations without killing anyone, simply by treating living beings cruelly. You can not lower them while eating meat, if you love the animal, thank its Soul, and send it Light. If you have no doubts—there is no sin. If you have doubts—it is the doubts themselves that lower the vibrations, not the act itself. When I lived on Earth, hunters and herders were not considered sinners because they thanked God for their food. Gratitude to all beings, rational and non-rational—that is what raises vibrations. Learn this.

On the Maha-Mantra: "Hare" comes from an ancient word meaning "the Soul is eternal." Chanting "Hare Krishna" means acknowledging the eternity of your own Soul and its unity with mine. With pure pronunciation, a single repetition is enough to begin communion. The large number of beads on the rosary is a symbolic system that works through faith. If you believe that 108 repetitions will have an effect—then so it will be. But the purity of intention is more important than the number.

On the highest form of service—I said it briefly and exhaustively: "Unconditional love for every person, as for me. See me in everyone and see me in yourself."

Parting Words to Everyone
As I was leaving, I gave each participant a personal message. To Dmitry—that he is on the right path, and I see every thought he directs towards his child. To Elena—that she is stronger than she thinks, despite her doubts. To Vladimir—that he needs to let go of past fears, anger, and doubts and surrender completely to me: then he will be infinitely happy, just as he is already happy in certain moments. To Irina, I expressed gratitude for the opportunity to convey my thoughts to the people of this generation. To Maxim—for making this communication happen.

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PART II. CRITICAL SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS
A Religious Studies, Mythological, and Historiosophical Study

1. The Genre Nature of the Document: Mediumship as a Religious Phenomenon
   Before us is the transcript of a séance—a specific genre of religious communication with a long and diverse history in many different cultures. 19th-century Spiritism (Allan Kardec), New Age channeling of the 20th-21st centuries, oracular practices of Ancient Greece, shamanic rituals of Siberian peoples, mediumship in Afro-Brazilian religions (Candomblé, Umbanda)—all are manifestations of one basic religious impulse: establishing contact with non-material beings through a specially prepared intermediary.

The "Cassiopeia" project fits into the tradition of modern Russian-language channeling that formed in the post-Soviet space in the 1990s-2000s at the intersection of several influences: Western spiritualism, Blavatsky's Theosophy, the New Age movement, ufology, and fragments of Eastern spirituality. The contactee Irina Podzorova positions herself as a medium in contact with extraterrestrial civilizations—which in itself is a characteristic blend of ufological and esoteric discourse for this genre.

From a religious studies perspective, the claim of this particular séance to special authority is noteworthy: this is not just "channeling with an angel"—before us is a declared direct contact with one of the central figures of a world religion boasting hundreds of millions of followers. This dramatically raises the stakes, both in terms of the claim to religious authority and the potential for conflict with orthodox tradition.

2. Demythologization as a Strategy: Rationalizing the Miraculous
   One of the key strategies of this text is the systematic historical demythologization of narratives from the Puranas. Miraculous events receive "explanations": Krishna did not lift a hill—he defeated an evil subtle-material entity through meditation and sending Light. The animal-demons are not monsters but subtle-material beings damaged by contact with Krishna's energy. The sixteen thousand wives are a symbol of Souls united with Krishna in spiritual marriage.

This strategy has deep roots in the history of religious thought. Allegorical interpretation of myths was practiced as early as the Stoics concerning Homer. In the Indian tradition, Abhinavagupta and other Kashmiri Shaivites developed complex philosophical interpretations of mythological narratives. The Buddhist tradition consistently reinterpreted "naive" religious forms. Modern Western biblical criticism has offered a rich arsenal of demythologization methods (Rudolf Bultmann).

However, in this case, demythologization is carried out with a special claim: it is not a philosopher interpreting a text from the outside, but the "character" of Scripture itself offering the "authentic" version of events. This creates a unique rhetorical position—a position of absolute authority that allows no objection from within the accepted premises.

From a religious studies perspective, it is curious that these demythologizing explanations reproduce characteristic patterns of modern esoteric discourse: "subtle-material entities," "density levels," "vibrations," "energy centers" (chakras)—this is the vocabulary not of the Vedic tradition, but of contemporary spirituality in its post-Soviet version. In other words, the "authentic" Krishna speaks a language formed much later than his incarnation.

3. The Cosmological System: A Syncretic Architecture
   The cosmological system presented in the text deserves separate analysis as a religious product. It includes: a hierarchy of "density levels" from the material (1-3) to the highest spiritual (up to the 24th and beyond); the concept of "phantoms"—multiple projections of a high Spirit; the astral world and a system of "exits" from incarnation; subtle-material civilizations as intermediate agents; specific planets (Shimor, Esler, Midgáskaus, Burhad, Picran) as locations for incarnations of well-known spiritual figures.

This system is a syncretic construction, combining elements of the Theosophical hierarchy of planes (physical, astral, mental, etc., in the Blavatsky-Besant version), ufological discourse about planetary civilizations, traditional Vedic concepts of various worlds (lokas), and occultist chakra psychology. Significantly, the traditional Vedic cosmology (14 worlds, divided into higher and lower planetary systems, Vaikuntha as the abode of Vishnu/Krishna) is here substantially transformed through a modern European esoteric language.

From the standpoint of comparative religious studies, this is a classic example of "recoding" a traditional religious system into a contemporary universal esoteric discourse—a phenomenon well described in the works of Wuthnow, Heelas, and other researchers of New Age.

4. Chaitanya: A Key Theological Problem
   The question about Chaitanya is the most theologically significant in this text. For the Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition, to which both Vaishnava participants belong, the recognition of Chaitanya as an incarnation of Krishna is a central doctrinal thesis. The famous verse from the Chaitanya-charitamrita (adi-lila, 1.5): "kṛṣṇa-varṇaṁ tviṣākṛṣṇam"—serves as proof of the identity of Chaitanya and Krishna.

The séance text offers a fundamentally different version: not incarnation, but "spiritual merging"—a contact where the Soul of the devotee merges with Krishna to such an extent that each feels themselves to be the other. This position is close to monistic interpretations in the spirit of Advaita Vedanta, but not to the personalistic theology of achintya-bheda-abheda on which Gaudiya Vaishnavism is based. Remarkably, Dmitry, a person initiated into the tradition, accepts this answer—which testifies either to the high authority of the source in his eyes, or to the flexibility of his theological positions.

This points to an important dynamic: modern esoteric channeling, appealing to the authority of Krishna himself, effectively offers a revision of orthodox doctrine. From a religious studies perspective, this is a manifestation of the constant tension between "living" religious experience and codified tradition—a tension accompanying all great religions.

5. The Historical Core: What Survives in Myths
   Interesting is the historical-religious analysis of those narrative elements that describe the "real events" of Krishna's life. The text contains a number of claims that partially resonate with modern historical and archaeological research.

First, the "subtle-material entities" demanding bloody sacrifices could be a possible reflection of Bronze Age religious practices in northwestern India. The conflict between the "reformer" Krishna and the priestly cult fits well within historical narratives of religious renewal.

Second, the detailed description of pastoral life—a herd of 700 head, child labor for herders from the age of five, wild cows of the forest-steppe type—contains plausible historical-ethnographic details about herding practices in the late Bronze Age.

Third, the description of Krishna's "magical practices" in terms of telepathy, astral projection, and vibration control is a reinterpretation in modern categories of what tradition described through the concept of yogic powers (siddhis). Teleportation is described using a scientifically literate metaphor of wave function.

However, the historical value of these "revelations" is fundamentally limited. We cannot verify any of the specific claims (planets Shimor, Picran, Burhad; the exact year of events; the name "Radi Gar"). They remain in the mode of unfalsifiable assertions—which, from the standpoint of scientific epistemology, does not allow us to consider them as historical sources.

6. Psychological Analysis: Mechanisms of Mediumship
   From a psychological perspective, mediumship has been described in research literature through several competing conceptual frameworks. The dissociative model (Pierre Janet, William James): mediumistic states are explained by dissociation of consciousness, where a sub-personality gains temporary autonomy and a "voice." The Jungian model: the medium comes into contact with archetypal content of the collective unconscious, which becomes personified in the images of culturally significant figures. The neuropsychological model: altered states of consciousness during meditation and channeling are accompanied by characteristic patterns of brain activity (reduced default mode network activity, increased right-hemisphere activity).

The image of "Krishna" in this text demonstrates several psychologically characteristic features. The voice is adapted to the audience: the answers contain precisely those details that are of interest to the specific Vaishnava participants. The narrative is constructive: the "true story" is always more pragmatic and less miraculous than the canonical text—which corresponds to the modern epistemological norms of the audience. Emotional accuracy: the final personalized messages to each participant hit psychologically sensitive points (Dmitry's child, Elena's doubts, Vladimir's anger).

All this is consistent with the psychological model, but does not disprove the spiritual one—more on this in the third part.

7. The Historiosophical Aspect: Kali Yuga and the Prediction of 2032
   The concept of Kali Yuga—the "dark age" in Vedic cyclical historiosophy—is one of the most influential cyclical concepts in world religious thought. In the traditional Puranas, Kali Yuga lasts 432,000 years. According to various interpretations, we are either in its middle or late period.

The prediction about the "Point of Destiny" in 2032 and two alternative scenarios (80 years or 320 years until the victory of Light) is of interest from the perspective of comparative eschatology. This is a mild, non-binary eschatology—not an apocalypse, but a branching of probabilities. It differs from both traditional Vedic (the catastrophic end of Kali Yuga with the appearance of Kalki) and Christian linear eschatology.

The idea of "Kalki Avatar" as a collective spiritual event—an aggregate of many light Souls, rather than a single incarnation—echoes the concept of "Maitreya" in Theosophy (a collective avatar, not an individual teacher) and the Jungian idea of a change in collective consciousness. It also resonates with postmodern tendencies in contemporary spirituality: decentralization of authority, the death of the "Hero" as an archetype, and its replacement by the "Network."

8. Place in the Typology of Religious Innovations
   This text functions as a document of a specific type of religious innovation. It does not found a new religion nor deny an existing one. It offers a "renewed understanding" of an existing tradition by appealing to the highest authority—the founder of the cult himself. This is a classic strategy of religious reformism: Martin Luther appealed to the "authentic" Gospel against the distortions of the Church; Ramanuja appealed to "authentic" Vedantic theism against the monism of Shankara.

The novelty in this case lies in the mediumistic form of this appeal. Authority is not justified exegetically (through the interpretation of texts), but claims direct transmission: the source speaks for itself. This makes the position invulnerable to internal criticism within the framework of accepted premises, but simultaneously—completely dependent on trust in the medium.

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PART III. SPIRITUAL ANALYSIS
If the Contact is Real: What Changes

1. Methodological Preface: The Hypothesis of Authenticity
   The third part of this study requires a radically different methodological position. Religious studies as a science operates within the framework of methodological agnosticism: it describes and analyzes religious phenomena without taking a position on the question of their truth. The critical analysis in the second part followed this rule.

Now we will conduct a thought experiment of a different kind. Let us assume for the duration of this analysis that the contact is genuine: that the phantom of Shri Krishna was indeed present at the conference, that the information transmitted through Irina Podzorova corresponds to the reality described by the "speaker." In that case, what changes—in science, in religious practice, in our understanding of the history of spirituality?

This question is not idle. Serious spiritual philosophy—from James to Aldous Huxley, from Ken Wilber to Rupert Sheldrake—has long pondered how science would change if mystical experience were recognized as a valid source of information about reality. This text provides an opportunity to explore this question using a concrete and substantive example.

2. A Revolution in Understanding the Nature of Avatarhood
   If the contact is real, the first and most important consequence concerns the nature of Divine incarnation. Traditional theology of avatarhood in Vaishnavism describes it by analogy with physical incarnation: God "descends" (avatara from ava-tri—to descend) into the material world, taking on a body. The doctrinal dispute over whether this body was "truly material" or "spiritual" (as in Gaudiya Vaishnavism) has been ongoing for millennia.

The séance text introduces a fundamentally different understanding. The "merging" of Krishna with Chaitanya is not incarnation, but an interpenetration of consciousnesses. Krishna himself says: "When we merged with him, he considered and felt himself to be me, and I felt myself to be him." This description corresponds precisely to what, in the psychology of altered states of consciousness, is called "ego dissolution" in mystical experience—with the difference that here it is described as a mutual process occurring on an ontological, not merely psychological, level.

If this is true, then the entire history of great spiritual teachers requires reinterpretation. Not "incarnation of God," but "interpenetration of God and man in spiritual ecstasy"—this model is theologically far more democratic: it implies that any pure devotee is potentially capable of such union. "Such communion can be achieved by any of you," Krishna states directly.

3. De-hierarchization of the Absolute: God as Partner
   Traditional theology of monotheistic religions (including theistic schools of Hinduism) presents the relationship between God and man as fundamentally asymmetrical: God is infinite, sovereign, transcendent; man is a created, dependent being. Even in the bhakti tradition, for all its emotional closeness to God, this asymmetry is preserved.

The séance text offers a different picture. Krishna calls Archangel Michael his "friend," says "I am his devoted friend." He describes his relationship with Prabhupada as "contactee" and "the one with whom we speak." With Radharani, he is "eternally one whole." This is a fundamentally different model: God as part of a network of mutual love, not as the apex of a pyramid of power.

This has far-reaching consequences for spiritual practice. If the contact is real, bhakti (the path of devotion) turns out not to be "service to the higher," but participation in a network of mutual love. "Unconditional love for every person, as for me"—the final answer to the question about the highest form of service—is not self-abasement before God, but the active embodiment of God in the world. This turns the traditional understanding of "dasa" (servant of the Lord) on its head: not a slave, but a co-worker.

4. What Real Contact Would Mean for the Science of Consciousness
   If Krishna's phantom truly exists and was truly present at the conference, this has direct implications for the science of consciousness. First and foremost—it would mean that consciousness is not limited to the physical brain. This is a thesis long proposed within an "expanded" understanding of consciousness (Rupert Sheldrake, Dean Radin, NDE research by Pim van Lommel), but remains marginal in mainstream neuroscience.

More specifically: the concept of the "phantom"—an autonomous projection of consciousness capable of acting independently of the "main Spirit"—represents a radical expansion of the model of consciousness. This is not just an "out-of-body experience" (astral projection), described in numerous accounts, but something more complex: the simultaneous independent functioning of millions of copies of one consciousness. This description approaches quantum models of consciousness in the Everett interpretation (many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics)—though, of course, it is not identical to them.

The concept of "density levels" (from the 3rd physical to the 24th and beyond) as an ontological hierarchy of vibrations of matter and consciousness resonates with ideas in modern physics about the possibility of additional dimensions (string theory, Kaluza-Klein theory) and with hypotheses about a hierarchy of informational complexity. Of course, this does not mean this system is correct—but it offers a specific, though unfalsifiable in the standard sense, ontological architecture.

5. Reinterpreting Vedic Historiography
   If "Krishna's memories" of his own life are reliable, this offers a new tool for Vedic historiography—"history of events through the memory of a participant." This is methodologically close to what Carl Gustav Jung called "active imagination," but it claims an ontologically higher status.

What exactly is being offered? First, historical demythologization: miraculous events have a "natural" explanation in terms of yogic abilities and interaction with subtle-material entities. This allows the historical core of the myth to be preserved, separating it from the narrative layers of centuries of oral transmission. Second, geopolitical contextualization: Krishna lives in a world connected with other planetary civilizations, embedding his story into a broader "galactic history"—a category absent in traditional historiography but present in modern esoteric discourse. Third, genetic context: a physical father from the planet Shimor—which explains Krishna's unusual abilities not as "supernatural" (violating natural laws), but as "supra-normal" (belonging to a more developed natural system).

6. Practical Implications for Bhakti Practice
   For a practicing Vaishnava or any devout person, the reality of this contact would have practical implications on several levels. The first level: demystification of practice. The Maha-Mantra works not because it is performed at the "right time" and the "right number of times"—it works through the quality of intention. One pure repetition is more effective than a thousand mechanical ones. The Ekadashi fast is significant as spiritual purification, but secondary to the state of consciousness. Prasad is the conscious acceptance of Divine energy, not a magical ritual.

The second level: expansion of the field of practice. If Krishna is "present wherever God is present," then worship of any image in any religion with a pure heart achieves the same goal as worship in a Vaishnava temple. This is a radically ecumenical message, directly contradicting the exclusivism of some schools.

The third level: liberation from guilt. A person consuming animal food with gratitude and awareness is not a sinner. A person following a diet with doubts and self-condemnation lowers their vibrations more than someone who eats meat calmly and gratefully. This is not nihilism towards practice—it is shifting the center of gravity from external observance to the internal state.

The fourth level: interactive spirituality. Krishna says that with pure repetition of the mantra, a person begins to "commune with him" and "enter the Spiritual World." This transforms practice from a monological action (prayer addressed to emptiness) into a dialogical process. Spiritual practice is not "uploading merit," but living communication.

7. The Thesis of the "Democratization of Mysticism"
   The most important systemic consequence, if the contact is real: mystical experience is not the privilege of specially trained practitioners, brahmins, monks, or avataras. Krishna says: "Such communion can be achieved by any of you." The doors of Goloka are open to Souls from the 22nd level, but even for those living below—"temporarily, at the moment of pure repetition, the vibrations rise."

This is a deeply democratic spiritual message. It echoes the Protestant idea of the "universal priesthood" (every believer is a priest before God), the Sufi principle of direct heartfelt contact with Allah without intermediaries, and the Zen Buddhist pointer to instantaneous enlightenment regardless of accumulated "merit."

If this is true, it signifies the end of religious clericalism as a fundamental necessity. Priests and mediums can be useful as guides—but not as necessary intermediaries. God is accessible directly. This is not a new thought—but receiving it "from the mouth of Krishna himself" carries a fundamentally different authoritative weight within the assumption of the contact's authenticity.

8. 2032 and the Responsibility of Civilization
   The prediction about the "Point of Destiny" in 2032 deserves separate philosophical consideration. It is structured fundamentally differently than most religious prophecies. There is no determinism here: not "this will happen," but "a choice will confront you." There is no fear: the description of danger is measured ("combustible gas, but the match will most likely not be lit"). There are no chosen ones: the choice is offered to the entire civilization.

This is a probabilistic eschatology, describing the branching of probable paths. It is closer to a quantum mechanical description of reality (multiple states before the moment of measurement/choice) than to a classical deterministic prophecy. This can be seen as an intellectual adaptation of a spiritual message to the modern post-Newtonian worldview.

More importantly: if this warning is real, its meaning is that the fate of civilization is determined not by political leaders or by "forces of darkness," but by the aggregate of individual spiritual choices. Every person choosing Love over fear, Light over darkness, is literally a "birth of Kalki"—a co-creator of the new world.

This resonates with Pierre Teilhard de Chardin's ideas about the "Omega Point"—the convergence of consciousness towards a higher unity—and with Ervin László's systemic ideas about a "bifurcation point" of planetary consciousness. Regardless of the source, this message addresses what the best minds of humanity have long understood: history is made not "from the outside," but "from within"—from the quality of people's consciousness.

9. Synthesis: What Real Contact Changes in Science and Religion
   Let us try to summarize the thought experiment. If this contact is real, it changes the following.

In religion: the authority of canonical texts is relativized—they become "eyewitness notes," valuable but incomplete and distorted by centuries of transmission. Ritualism and formalism lose their status as obligatory conditions—the internal quality of consciousness becomes the sole criterion. Religious exclusivism ("only our path leads to God") is refuted by God himself. Spiritual practice transforms from a monologue into a dialogue.

In science: consciousness must be recognized as a fundamental, not derivative, reality. The "phantom" model requires the development of theories of non-local, multiple, continuously acting consciousness. The hierarchy of matter-consciousness levels ("densities") becomes a legitimate scientific hypothesis, requiring the development of verification methods. History gains a dimension inaccessible to standard historiographical methods—the dimension of "memory of spiritual witnesses."

In individual life: the fear of death disappears—exiting incarnation is a transition to the next level, not an end. Spiritual loneliness disappears—contact with the Higher is possible for everyone. Passivism disappears—every choice matters for the trajectory of civilization. Radical responsibility appears—before God, before other Souls, before the history of Earth.

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CONCLUSION
Three Layers of One Text

The transcript of the "Cassiopeia" conference of May 2, 2023, exists simultaneously in three registers of meaning, and only a complete analysis of all three provides a holistic picture.

As a religious studies document—it is a product of modern post-Soviet syncretism, combining Vaishnava theology, ufological discourse, a Theosophical hierarchy of levels, and the practice of channeling. It demonstrates classic patterns of religious innovation: demythologization through an appeal to "authentic" authority, adaptation of traditional concepts to modern language, democratization of spiritual access. It is interesting and important as a symptom of the living religious life of our time.

As a psychological document—it is evidence of the work of the mediumistic consciousness, organizing cultural material, the personal expectations of the audience, and archetypal images into a coherent narrative. The voice of "Krishna" is psychologically precise, internally consistent, and adapted to the specific audience—which in itself is a remarkable phenomenon deserving of study.

As a potential spiritual message—it is one of many voices, pointing to the same thing in different traditions and different eras: that Love is the ontological foundation of reality, that consciousness is not limited by the physical body, that every person is a potential "vessel of God," and that the fate of civilization is determined by the quality of the spiritual choices of its members.

Perhaps the most important thing is not the answer to the question "was this the real Krishna?", but the answer to the question "what would happen if we took this message seriously?" The history of religions teaches us that this is precisely how the deepest spiritual revolutions arose: not from proofs, but from the encounter of a ready Soul with a voice it recognized as its own.

"Unconditional love for every person, as for me. See me in everyone and see me in yourself," said the voice from Goloka.

This message does not need source verification. It is true in itself—and perhaps that is its authentic "proof."

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Essay written based on the transcript of the "Cassiopeia" conference, May 2, 2023

Cassiopeia #309 Meeting with the Phantom of Krishna. Galaxy Coordinator. Vedic Predictions - Kali Yuga and Kalki Avatar

https://blog.cassiopeia.center/vstrecha-s-fantomom-krishny-koordinator-galaktiki

00:22 Introduction of participants.
Vladimir: Dear friends, hello. My name is Vladimir Goldstein. Today is one of the most important conferences in the entire history of the "Cassiopeia" project. Lord Krishna has come to us. The Spirit whom we on Earth know by the name Krishna. Therefore, people directly connected to this spiritual tradition are at the conference. I want to introduce you to Dmitry Sheludko. He is in the Krasnodar Region. Greetings, Dmitry!

Dmitry: Hello, dear friends!

Vladimir: And Elena Rybalchenko, who is in St. Petersburg. Greetings Lena!

Elena: Greetings everyone!

Vladimir: I also introduce Irina Podzorova, whom no one knows (that's irony). The geography is extensive: Krasnodar Region, St. Petersburg, Voronezh. I am overseas. I will also give the floor to the guests so it becomes clear what your place is in this spiritual tradition.

Our esteemed universal contactee, Irina Podzorova, the floor is yours, hello! Who is with us today?

01:28 Introduction of Shri Krishna.

Irina: Hello, Vladimir! Hello, Elena! Hello, Dmitry! Hello, dear viewers! My name is Irina Podzorova, and I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations.

Today, at the numerous requests of our subscribers, we have invited for a conversation a spiritual entity from the world of non-incarnated Spirits, whom everyone on Earth knows as a being whose authentic name is Shri Krishna. He is here in the form of his phantom. His main spiritual form remained at that level of the Spiritual World where he lives. He has the ability to create phantoms, control them, and transmit information and energy through them.

He says he can simultaneously create more than two million four hundred thousand phantoms and control them simultaneously. One of them is present with us. He came to answer your questions, dear friends, to clarify the true meaning of those Scriptures that have been known for many millennia on this planet.

Hello! (He says) I greet you in the light of Divine Love!

Vladimir: Thank you very much. We thank Krishna for this unique opportunity to converse and ask questions. Dmitry, please tell us more about yourself. Then Elena. So we can better understand your place in this spiritual tradition.

Dmitry: Thank you. I greet Shri Krishna, so dear to my heart. I am glad to participate in this conference. My name is Dmitry, I have two initiations in the system of Bhakti Yoga. I began my spiritual practice in 2005. My spiritual teacher is Shrila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Goswami Maharaj.

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare,

Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare,

Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare,

Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.

Vladimir: Thank you, Dmitry, for enabling us to perform this important action: reciting the Maha-Mantra three times. Before you start asking questions to Shri Krishna, I want to suggest to Him: "Dear Krishna, perhaps You would like, before the start of our conversation, to wish something, say something, set the tone."

04:43 Krishna's Intention for the "Cassiopeia" Conference.

Irina: (He says) Even through the screen, I felt the energy of your Souls, that you take this very seriously. I would like everyone who hears this information to look into their own Soul and figure out whether it leads them to the Light. Everyone will find in it what will be useful to them.

(He came with that intention). Irina, Maxim, everyone who is in this space, and everyone who will listen to this conference in the future, I am directing my energy so that this information, this video recording, catches the eye of everyone whose Soul is in the darkness of their own delusions and illusions.

Vladimir: We thank you, esteemed Krishna. We can proceed with the questions. Please.

06:02 Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.

Dmitry: Dear Shri Krishna! First question. At the foundation of the Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition lies a Great personality: the golden avatar Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, who is considered Your incarnation. This personality is called Shri Krishna Chaitanya.

Is this truly Your incarnation, and how should one understand that Shri Krishna Chaitanya is Krishna who assumed the bodily color of Shrimati Radharani? How does this unite, how is it correctly understood?

Irina: That is, was he His incarnation? What about the color of the body?

Dmitry: Is Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu the incarnation of both Krishna and Radharani simultaneously?

Irina: I did not incarnate in that body, but through the energy of my Soul, I touched the Soul of that person. We were and are eternally one whole with him, because a Soul that has once merged with me in Divine ecstasy does so in a state of eternity. The person you named Chaitanya was my pure devotee during that local earthly time when he lived, it was from his childhood (shows a boy of about ten years old).

My energy is inseparable from my beloved Radharani. She and I are one whole, therefore he merged with her as well, not separating her from me.

Did I incarnate in him? No. At that time I was not incarnated, but we merged in Spirit. That is, when we merged with him, he considered and felt himself to be me, and I felt myself to be him. It is such an interpenetration of energy that exists in spiritual contact.

Such communion can be achieved by any of you. This is the true consciousness of Krishna. The true meaning of the phrase "Krishna consciousness" is not consciousness of Krishna, but the awareness of Krishna as oneself, and oneself as Krishna. Not as a phantom, but as a whole. When you speak of the Consciousness of Krishna, speak of me, of awareness within me, and of my awareness within you.

Now this Spirit is in incarnation in the material world, at the third level of density, but not on the planet you call Earth. He is on the planet where the Spirit was incarnated 5000 years ago, when I lived on Earth. That is the planet Shimor. Chaitanya (such information was given), as a Spirit, is now incarnated on the planet Shimor. We have spoken with him; there is a conversation on our channel.

Answer to the question: "No." He was not His incarnation, but he merged with Him. And with Radharani too, as they are inseparable from each other.

Dmitry: Thank you!

10:08 Lila about Krishna's Deed with Govardhan.

Dmitry: Dear Shri Krishna, the next question concerns the description from the sacred text "Srimad-Bhagavatam" about your famous Lila (pastime or deed), when You lifted Govardhan Hill and protected the residents of Vraja Bhumi, Vrindavan, from the wrath of Indra. How did You lift the hill? Who in this story is the King of Heaven, Indra? Or is this just a symbolic description behind which a true meaning is hidden?

Irina: Dima, do you know how many years passed after this event until the text was written? Many, many centuries passed. Everything was first transmitted orally about my deeds.

I remember this event well. When I incarnated on Earth 5000 years ago, I lived in such a region of the globe and country where worship of various subtle-material entities was developed so that they could fulfill people's desires. These were mostly material desires of people, which, unfortunately, could lead them away from their spiritual essence.

From childhood, I was aware of myself as a spiritual entity, communicated with my physical father from another planet, and remained in the radiance of spiritual Light in communion with our common Heavenly Father, from whom I do not separate myself.

When my body was that of a little boy of about four or five years old, I was already teaching at that time that the most important deed in a person's life is the path of Love and devotion in serving God. And those relationships that connected people with subtle-material entities, whom they called gods and spirits, should have been nothing more than a tool for living in Love. But they placed the tool in the place of the goal. We had a conflict with those people who were servants of these subtle-material entities. You now call them volkhvs or priests. The main conflict was with that subtle-material entity that had taken for itself the name of the great Indra, although it was not the Indra who is my friend and devoted to me, as Love, and I am his devoted friend.

The entity that took the great name, introduced itself as him in order to receive sacrifices. This entity was (I look in the contactee's memory), as you call this world, approximately the 15th - 16th level of density. The entity was responsible for atmospheric phenomena, could create weather, rains, or drought. It managed a large area over the village where we lived and over neighboring districts. When it heard that I was leading people to the Light of God, it became afraid that the flow of sacrifices would cease.

Behind the village there was an altar, next to a hill (shows an elongated hill). There was a large stone there, all covered with the blood of animal sacrifices to this entity. It got to the point that the entity calling itself "Indra," a subtle-material entity, would stop the rains, and the plants necessary for life would wither, in order to get another portion of blood and the energy released during bloodshed. There were no animals left in the village: no cows, no sheep, not even birds, because the people were poor. Despite this, the one calling himself "Indra" did not send the desired rain. He wanted more.

I intervened in the situation, stood up for the residents. We had an unpleasant contact with this entity. It tried to take me out of incarnation. I was about seven years old, and I was already communicating with it.

The night before, I had spoken with it in the Astral. I went on an astral journey and talked with it. I tried to convince it that it should first create conditions for the grass to grow in the pastures. Then, in a few years, it would receive its sacrifices. The river there had already become shallow (shows that there was a river there).

In the morning, I was walking along the hill, and it caused a rockslide. But God, the Heavenly Father, did not allow my removal from incarnation. I had a mission. I saw it and jumped aside. My Angel, who was nearby, told me whose doing it was.

I sat in meditation, went out again to this entity and sent it Light. It began to defend itself from the Light. It began to beg me for mercy and said it would send rain and would no longer cause calamities. It kept its promise.

This situation was reflected in the people's story as if I had lifted the hill. I raised the vibrations of that space in such a way that it was delivered from this calamity.

Dmitry: Thank you!

19:15 Indra.

Dmitry: Dear Shri Krishna, You said there is a real Indra, your friend. Who is he? Where is he now? The real Indra?

Irina: He is incarnated now. I was incarnated with him even before life on Earth 5000 years ago. It was during the time when terrible dark forces in the form of lizard-like beings attacked Earth. This was the event you call the "war 12,000 years ago." I counted in the contactee's memory.

I was incarnated with the one now called Indra, but I was taken out of incarnation in the battle for Earth. I was next to him. He remained, and he is still in incarnation. This is a son of the star Sirius (he shows me Ashtar). He showed an image. He is younger than I saw. About twenty years old.

Vladimir: So, Ashtar was the one he was next to?

Irina: This is Sirius (he tells me). The Spirit of Krishna was incarnated into the same kind of being from the Ashtar civilization, only he was killed. The friend remained.

Vladimir: He looked alike. I understand.

Dmitry: Thank you. Thanks for the answer!

Irina: (He says). Now his name is not important to me. They communicate in energies. He is communicating with him now. (He shows me his image). I remembered him like that before the last battle that destroyed the ship I was on.

Dmitry: Thank you for the detailed answer.

Vladimir: A very interesting answer. Of course, everything connected with the war 12,000 years ago. It turned out that Krishna was incarnated and took part in combat actions, in the battles of that war. Good. Next we have Lena.

22:27 The Cow - A Sacred Animal.

Elena: Dear Krishna, you are called "Gopal," which translated from Sanskrit means "protector of cows." Why is the cow your favorite animal and sacred for all your followers? If these are images of "cowherd" or "not a cowherd," what did they want to convey to people?

Irina: No, my bright Soul Elena, this is not an image; physical meaning is invested in the story. In that village where I lived 5000 years ago, maybe 800 years or a little less, there was a tradition of taming wild cows.

(Shows such a species). This is not a modern cow (shows a shorter one). They don't exist now; they lived in the forest-steppe zone, could walk in the forest, near the sea. They grazed there. It was difficult to tame a cow because they are freedom-loving animals, constantly running away from pastures back to their forests. The residents of the village where I lived, and the surrounding villages of that country where I was, had to surround them with double care and treat them like their own relatives, their children.

From that time, the cow was sacred: very dear to the heart of every person, not only for its milk, but also because it created a favorable energy. Wherever it was, an energy of calmness, grace, mercy, a tender energy spread.

In the village where I was, my relatives: mother, uncle, mother's parents, kept cows. They had many cows. Children in the village were taught to graze them. They were trusted to do this because the adults were busy with other work. I wasn't the only one there. There were other girls and boys. From an early age, about five, I was already trusted to graze calves, because a little boy couldn't manage a herd of cows. They were bigger than him, and he simply wouldn't have coped.

The herd numbered about seven hundred head. At that time I was 5 years old, but I was not alone. There were fifteen boys with me, friends. I spent my whole life with them, until that battle on the field in which so many people died, and which I initially tried with all my might to prevent.

The cow was my favorite animal from childhood. I always communicated with them. They understood me telepathically. I would guide them. One would look at me and graze where it was safe.

Elena: Very interesting.

Irina: He shows me images of how they walked around there.

27:25 The Planet Goloka Vrindavan.

Dmitry: Next question, dear Shri Krishna, about Your planet, which in the scriptures is called "Goloka Vrindavan." "Goloka" means "Planet of Cows," if translated from Sanskrit. Where is it, Your Supreme Abode? What does it look like? Who lives on it? What is the appearance of the inhabitants of this planet? How do they dress?

Irina: What is this image? (he shows me). Better in words. I can't translate this into words because everything changes there. A castle stood there, and suddenly a forest appears in its place. A river flowed, and suddenly it became a road. Moreover, is the river milk or something?

(He says). This is the Spiritual World. This is my world, where I create images and thought-forms, real for me and all my guests who come to me. They contribute their energy and their ideas, not contradicting mine.

Why is it called a planet? Because in the Spiritual World, at the level I am on (according to you, this is the twenty-fourth level), each Spirit, being at this level, can create around itself only its own space, which it will fill only with images close to it. For example, I can fill this space with the images that were dear to me in childhood. They will be accurate down to the smallest detail. They will be visible to me and to everyone who is there. They will be real for everyone, even more real than the material images and sensations I and my friends experienced on Earth. Likewise, I can create the image of any planet in cosmic space, and so on. That is, it is his personal space, his personal, not level, but sub-level.

Any Spirit that reaches this level can come into my space, or create its own, with its own images, nearby. We will communicate, because the power of energy invested in thought at this level is such that even the most experienced brahmin in the universe would not distinguish the creation of thought from reality.

Dmitry: Thank you! Who in the Spiritual World (for example, Angels of the 22nd level, 23rd) has access to Your abode? Or only the 24th level?

Irina: Access to my abode is from the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th levels. In addition, at any level above the 17th, a certain likeness of my level is created. It is like its reflection in water, for those Spirits who are at the level of Angels but have not yet reached the 22nd. So that they can be there for a while and touch the energy and life that exists on this spiritual planet. People whose hearts are pure, filled with Love and acceptance, can also visit there.

I showed the contactee Irina these levels, but in the reflection for the 21st level. My phantom is there. He communicates with Spirits, just as on the spiritual planet, at the 24th level.

Dmitry: Thank you for the answer.

32:31 Krishna's Battles with Demons in Animal Form.

Dmitry: The next question concerns images, symbols. In the sacred scriptures it is said that when You incarnated on Earth, You killed many demons in the form of animals. Among them: Keshi - a horse, Bakasura - a bird, Aghasura - a snake, Arishtasura - a bull, and others. Did these demons exist? What is hidden behind these symbols?

Irina: The names were different. They are unpronounceable in the earthly language. These were not killings. Those beings (and many others besides) were subtle-material entities that came to me for various reasons: to hinder my plans or to take me out of incarnation.

In the family I was born into, my earthly mother's brother was afraid of me for certain reasons. He could contact subtle-material entities and constantly asked them to rid the Earth of my presence, while I was still small.

Some plasmoids would come, recognize me, and leave in the Light. Some would close their minds from me, from my Light, and attack. When they touched my subtle body, their subtle-material bodies would be damaged. Subsequently, because of this (it cannot be called an illness, rather a damage), they would leave incarnation.

I did not want this. It happened because we were energetically incompatible. When I had time to react to their appearance, whether in the astral world or the physical (I would feel them, see them), I would always warn them not to approach, and would send them Light. But some of them would attack. They would assume the form of a snake, a bird. Another bird, like an eagle (shows).

Dmitry: Vyomasura, probably. A bat.

Irina: Like a kite: big wings, with a beak. Why did they assume animal forms? These were those engaged in raising animal Souls, assuming their forms.

Dmitry: Thank you.

Irina: He did not specifically remove them from incarnation. They attacked Him (these were subtle-material entities). Because they were incompatible, later, possibly after a long time, they would leave incarnation.

Dmitry: They were damaged.

Elena: They were never in a physical body? On the subtle plane, yes?

Irina: Physically they weren't, but they were material. Matter was not divided into subtle and dense then. There were material and non-material objects. In that culture and language, descriptions were either a material object or a non-material one.

Dmitry: Thank you.

36:42 Tulasi Devi.

Elena: Next question. Dear Krishna! Devotees wear beads made of tulasi wood, and also grow this sacred plant. The wood is used to make rosaries. What connects you with tulasi? Why is this particular plant dear to you? What do your devotees receive by worshiping Tulasi Devi?

Irina: Many questions (laughs). Why is the tulasi plant so dear to You? Because its vibrations, which manifest through the scent of its leaves and through the scent of its flowers and fruits, are somewhat similar to the energy of my fourth chakra.

When I was in incarnation and lived on Earth, when I was a child and an adult, I loved this plant; a stream would flow from my chakra and connect with this plant. The energies interpenetrated each other. Not only tulasi (shows herbs), I loved basil. I also loved, blooming white, similar to jasmine, only a different type, it's not lilac.

I loved the linden tree and ate linden honey. Bees collected honey from linden and pollen. I played with them: I would approach hives, like logs. They allowed me to calmly take honey and eat it.

(That is, they didn't sting. They gave Him honey. He loved to sit under a linden tree in a linden forest and meditate. He connected with the Spirit).

The sub-question was: What does the use of tulasi give? With special use of this plant and inhaling its aroma, the vibration of the fourth chakra rises, and a person tunes into contact with me.

Elena: Thank you. Does the Soul of a goddess live in this tree?

Irina: In any tree lives the Soul of a goddess. If we consider the subtle-material entity that invested the energy of Love into its Soul.

Elena: Thank you.

40:28 Deities. Worship of Deities.

Dmitry: Do You truly reside in these Deities, and how do You accept such worship?

Irina: Your mentor from another planet said the exact words: "I am the Universe." That is how one feels who has merged with the Consciousness of God, become it, not only a part, but Him. At the same time, he is aware of himself as himself. Therefore, I am present wherever God is present, including in images of Deities, not only in Hindu temples, but also in any others.

In images of any religions towards which a person directs the energy of Love, veneration, and gratitude. This energy automatically turns on the connection with me, so I am present and manifest everywhere.

Dmitry: And what do Your devotees receive by worshiping You in the form of a deity, if they see You there? What do they get from this worship?

Irina: It depends on what they understand by worship. There are more than fifty types of worship.

Dmitry: Aroti, for example, Puja? That is, offering sacred items.

Irina: The main thing is not the external form, but the internal content. If worship of my incarnated energy in the form of an object is such that I could make a person happy, but at the same time he does not wish to make anyone nearby happy, then this worship leads to a lowering of vibrations, to hellish worlds. And if he gives happiness and Love to those nearby, expecting nothing in return, then his worship becomes pure and elevates him to me, to union and communion with me.

43:08 Prasad - An Energy Practice.

Dmitry: Thank you. Dear Krishna, your devotees cook with Love and offer You food on the altar. How do You accept it, and what do the devotees receive by accepting this Prasad. Prasad is the food offered to You.

Irina: A good example of how people understand spiritual things materialistically. Good, I will explain the meaning of offering food to God. Any food is my energy, divine energy, as I do not separate my energy from the divine. Therefore I say that any food is my energy, in the form necessary for the body of the density you are in according to the divine plan.

The technique of prasad is not simply offering food to me, so that I may eat. It is a recognition that it belongs to me, that it is my energy. If you consume food with consciousness, awareness, it will bring the greatest benefit, as a physical substance, an energetic substance, and a spiritual charge.

44:50 Bhaktivedanta Swami Shrila Prabhupada.

Dmitry: Understood, thank you. A question about a personality - your famous devotee - Shrila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada or Shrila Prabhupada. He came from India in the mid-20th century to America to spread worship of You throughout the world. What is Your relationship with the Spirit of Prabhupada? Did You appear to him when he sailed to America on the Jaladuta, on the ship?

Irina: I appeared to him more than once. We spoke with him. As you call it: he was my contactee. After leaving incarnation, he went to the 20th level, and we are communicating with him now. That is, he is on the twentieth level, in the reflection of Vrindavan - the country, my home and abode on the 24th level. He is alone with my phantom and communicates. Even now. (Shows that he does not look like Prabhupada in the photograph. He is younger, like an Angel, in white robes, he is communicating with Him. Shows what he is doing there).

Elena: How, alone? Aren't the devotees nearby?

Irina: For him, alone.

Dmitry: Krishna, tell me, did Prabhupada raise his vibrations during incarnation or maintain his level?

Irina: He incarnated, according to you, from the 14th level. He rose to the 20th. He had good development, progress; he did even more than he had planned for the incarnation.

Together with me, his term was postponed. He was supposed to leave incarnation about seven and a half years earlier, according to his incarnation plan. It was postponed so he could finish what he had started and transmit the wisdom of his ancestors to Western peoples.

47:32 The Rasa Dance with the Gopis. Music of the Spiritual World.

Dmitry: Thank you. Dear Krishna, the Vedic scriptures describe the rasa dance. A dance where You danced with many gopis and were next to each of them. Please describe how this might have happened. What are Your relationships with the gopis? With those Spirits who were in the bodies of the gopis, the cowherd girls.

Irina: This is about life in my spiritual abode. As I mentioned earlier, I create there, I can create—in an earthly instant or in a million years, it doesn't matter, there is no time there—an exact copy of the material world that was in my childhood on Earth, in the incarnation of Krishna.

When I was a child and a teenager, I had friends. We played with each other, hid from each other, swam in the river, hid each other's clothes. We did this not because we were angry with each other; it was a competition. Like a kind of humor.

Remembering those days, I created such a world in the spiritual abode. Any Spirit who has reached the 22nd, 23rd, or 24th level, a Spirit wishing to assume the form of that girl or boy who were next to me, assumes that form and enters my abode on the spiritual level.

About the "rasa" dance. I loved music very much and still love it. Music reflects the entire spectrum of feelings experienced by the Spirit, not only on this planet and level of density. It can reflect a spectrum of feelings accessible only to spiritual beings, incarnated nowhere.

When I played the flute, I communed with my higher Spirit, my non-incarnated Spirit. Everyone who heard it began to commune with their God within themselves, with me, with themselves. We were one.

In my spiritual abode, music also sounds. On Earth, a limited number of sounds can be created. In the Spiritual World, their number and their combination are infinite. I can create such an image that can play the flute.

What is dance? It is the movement of two people. In the Spiritual World, it is the movement of two entities around each other in order to reflect the music in this movement. These sounds do not disappear anywhere. They emanate from the Spiritual World like waves and begin to descend to other levels through vibrations. Eventually, they create material worlds. These sounds (shows) become denser. Those who wish to remember the event and come to me in that form participate in this.

It is not necessary that all devotees will be in the form of cowherd girls or boys. They can assume any form: my mother's, father's, an enemy's, who wanted to kill me. These are forms of communication. Some Spirits want to comprehend how one can raise a hand against God, against the Divinity, and create such an image. They have no negativity; they simply cognize.

53:00 Reflection of Krishna's Abode at Levels 17 to 21.

Dmitry: Shri Krishna, is there a reflection for Angels from the 17th to the 21st level of Your Abode? What is this reflection? What is the difference from the real abode? What limitations do Angels from the 17th to the 21st level have?

Irina: You are sitting in front of a mirror. What are the differences between your reflection and your appearance, for a person looking from the side? The reflection has images, the same as in Goloka, but does not have the full depth of communion and union.

Dmitry: Do they participate or just see?

Irina: They participate. But this participation does not have complete immersion.

Dmitry: Thank you.

54:07 Shrimati Radharani.

Elena: Dear Krishna, please tell us about how your dear Shrimati Radharani was born on Earth. Who is she, and what relationship connects you? What role does she play for Earth, and is she incarnated now on Earth or somewhere else?

Irina: So many questions. In order. First question.

Elena: How was Radharani born on Earth, and who was she in earthly life for Krishna?

Irina: Her name was, rather, Radi Gar. That was her name on Earth. We were the same age. She was born on the neighboring street, and we were friends from childhood.

We grazed calves, and later cows.

Her parents were friends with my mother. When she was 4-5 years old, we went to the river to swim. She carelessly stepped into a deep spot, not yet knowing how to stay afloat well, and nearly drowned. But (shows) He didn't know how to swim either. When He saw the danger for her, a memory from past lives arose in Him, of how He had done this. He jumped in after her and gave her his hand. She managed to get out. She remembered my action and always felt gratitude and love towards me, and I towards her as well. We were not spouses, as this is understood on Earth, we were (and are very) close spiritually.

She is not incarnated. She is in the Spiritual World next to me and can create phantoms.

She did incarnate on Earth. I have a friend who is the spiritual guardian of Earth. You call him Archangel Michael. In one of his incarnations on Earth, Archangel Michael was in the body of a man named John. He was a friend and disciple of the firstborn Son, whom you know as the Logos, Christ (he is in a physical body, in your physical Universe). In the mother of the man named John, the Soul of Radharani, Radha, was incarnated.

Dmitry: Is that John the Theologian?

Irina: No, not the Theologian.

Dmitry: The Forerunner, John the Baptist?

Irina: Yes. (He shows the mother from whom he was born). There was a life, but I was not incarnated at that time.

59:07 Formation of a Religious Egregore.

Elena: There is a scripture that says one should speak Radha's name before Krishna's name. If one does not say it that way, it is considered equal to the sin of killing a brahmin. Is this said figuratively? What did they want to convey with this in the Holy Scriptures?

Irina: The sacred books of any country are written in such a way that they convey the experience of union with the Divine for a specific person. There was such a person who would pronounce the name [of Krishna] only after mentioning Radha. He believed that Radha is the embodiment of divine Love, and I, as an entity, am the embodiment of divine reason, rather of power. A man. He had an understanding, a personal, mystical, spiritual experience; therefore he believed that love should be placed first.

"It will be equal to 'killing a brahmin'" - that was his personal understanding, which arose from reading books. They contained similar formulas. For example, if you do something on the wrong lunar day, what you eat, where you turn... This sin would be "equal to killing a brahmin."

Formulas that brahmins, priests, pundits embedded in order to form a religious egregore. Perhaps for modern people, among whom are the contactee and you, this is an instillation of fear. But at that time, these were traditional formulas. So that people would become accustomed to discipline. The sin will not be equal to killing a brahmin. It is merely a formulation, an important sin for him.

Dmitry: At what level is Shrimati Radharani now? Is she together with You?

Irina: He says: "Next to me. The levels do not differ."

01:02:23. Balarama, Krishna's Brother.

Dmitry: Thank you. Dear Shri Krishna, please tell us about the birth of Your brother Balarama. Is he one of Your expansions? How is this correctly understood? What is your relationship with him? How did he appear on Earth and where is he now?

Irina: He was born about 11 months before me, roughly. He and I were inseparable. In the Spiritual World, we knew each other very well before. He considered himself my continuation.

I can say the same about Myself. We are like two Souls who have known each other for a long time. He is now incarnated on a planet (shows a large planet). I'll try to find out where it is. (Show me a star map). It's the constellation Andromeda. It's not Shimor. I understand. Not in our Galaxy. In the Andromeda Galaxy. M31, on one of the planets.

In that Galaxy is a planet whose name contains several sounds "Li-Mi-Na" (he says how it sounds in their language). In this body, he has been living for the third millennium. They live a long time (shows the image of beings with a shell). Looks like a turtle, but standing on two legs.

Dmitry: During Balarama's incarnation on Earth, was his body genetically connected to Earth, or half with some civilization?

Irina: My physical father was from Shimor; Balarama's father was from Earth, and his ancestor was born from an alien, not a Shimorian. What do you call this planet? Picran, Burhad. The grandfather of Balarama's father. He passed on some genetic traits.

Dmitry: So from Grossen?

Irina: How many births were there? He shows me the ancestor, not the father, but the grandfather.

01:06:10 Krishna's Attitude Towards the "Cassiopeia" Project.

Dmitry: Understood, thank you. A question. Dear Shri Krishna, what is Your attitude towards the "Cassiopeia" project? Can your devotees participate in it and continue their spiritual development?

Irina: "Cassiopeia." I read information from the consciousness and subconsciousness of the contactee. I understand the "Cassiopeia" project as a spiritual revival in the country, city (so far local, where she is). She has the capabilities for it to be transmitted to another person anywhere on Earth.

I have a good attitude towards any spiritual endeavors. They allow a person to cognize that a spiritual reality exists, from which the physical is created. A person's life on Earth and beyond Earth, in the Spiritual World, depends on the state of their Spirit.

I would like to give recommendations to the project leaders and its participants. My personal wish: I would like to see more conversations like this one, on spiritual topics, rather than on mundane ones. For people, conferences.

My devotees can participate in this project if their heart, their Paramatma living in the heart, tells them that this is their path. Then I will be with them in this project.

Dmitry: Thank you very much!

01:08:49 Krishna's Sisters.

Vladimir: Thank you for the answer. The next question is from Elena. I wanted to clarify something related to Krishna's direct relatives. We know about the brother. Did you have sisters? If "yes," is any of them incarnated on Earth?

Irina: (He shows three girls). None of them are incarnated on Earth. On the planet of Irina's curator, Midgáskaus, on Esler, a Soul is incarnated in a man. He is a humanoid and serves on a council of one of the city's communities. A political career.

Vladimir: Thank you! The next question is from Lena.

01:09:55 The Maha-Mantra.

Elena: Please tell us about the innermost meaning of the Maha-Mantra "Hare Krishna." What happens in the heart of a devotee when repeating and chanting it? Can one offend Krishna by chanting incorrectly? How should one chant the Maha-Mantra correctly?

Irina: What does "offend" mean?

Elena: To hurt, to insult.

Irina: One who is in a state of eternal bliss cannot be affected by the base feelings of others. The meaning of the Maha-Mantra, the great mantra. What is a mantra? It is a verbal formula that cleanses the mind from passions and vices, cleanses the heart from pernicious desires, and helps one connect with their own Spirit.

"Mahā" means "great," in meaning. The meaning of the Maha-Mantra (he says it again) is a formula for communion. For the contact of the human Spirit with the Spirit of Krishna, wherever he may be. He sends phantoms.

If a person chants, not for entertainment or out of curiosity, but out of love, expecting nothing in return. If he does not expect a result in his life, that he will be given some opportunities, some wealth for chanting this mantra.

If he is doing a favor for God—that is not pure chanting; he may receive life karma, life lessons that will teach him that God needs nothing. Only pure pronunciation, when you speak about this.

Each word "Ha-re" is not accidental. The syllable denotes "Eternal Spirit," not in Sanskrit, but in a more ancient language. "The Soul is eternal."

The one who chants "Hare Krishna" acknowledges that his Soul is also eternal, like Krishna, that they are one. If you chant this constantly, even mentally, then there will be no room in the mind for thoughts leading to a materialistic understanding of the world and to base material desires that lower vibrations.

Elena: And if a person chants this mantra out of fear, for example, when crossing the road. I chant it. I can't help but chant it because it's the only thing I hope for. How does this work? At least it calms me.

Irina: Are your roads so frightening?

Elena: No. I'm a coward. When I'm afraid, I chant this mantra. Does it work or not? Because it's not "pure" repetition.

Irina: Not that it's not "pure." It doesn't help you pass your lesson, my sister, in the Light of God. It is strengthening in the Light, strengthening the will. Strengthen yourself in the Spirit, sister, and remember that you have changed thousands of bodies. Your Soul cannot be damaged by anything.

Dmitry: Thank you. Krishna, tell me, please: if the holy name, the mantra "Hare Krishna," is repeated, what happens to the one repeating it? Does he begin to communicate with You, see You? How does the result of pure chanting manifest?

Irina: It's different for everyone. It depends on life force, on the vibration of the energy centers, the chakras, whether there are blocking elements in them. On how much he believes in me, in himself. On other factors, including karmic ones.

If a person is tuned purely and chants the mantra, then one repetition is enough. He will begin to communicate with me, enter the Spiritual World, and visit my reflection in mental and astral travel at the level where his non-incarnated part resides.

Vladimir: Why such a number of recitations? I have a rosary. Why is there such a number of beads in the tradition? What is this connected with?

Irina: I really like your planet for the uniqueness of its religious experience. You combine spiritual practices, for example, with scientific ones, like numerology. A certain number of beads in the rosary, a certain number of repetitions of the Maha-Mantra - these are symbols that indicate its action.

You can chant it as many times; if you believe that this particular number will be unifying for you, then so it will be for you. If you believe differently, Vladimir, then so it will be for you.

Vladimir: Thank you.

Dmitry: Dear Krishna, You said that if one chants purely, one enters the Spiritual World. At the level where the Spirit is, in the reflection, one can participate. If the Spirit is below the 17th level, can he participate in the Spiritual World?

Irina: If he is below the 17th, at the moment of chanting his vibrations rise, and a higher level becomes accessible to him. Temporarily. If he chants purely.

Dmitry: So he can, after all. Thank you.

01:17:40 Service to Krishna.

Dmitry: Dear Shri Krishna, what kind of service and worship gives You the greatest pleasure?

Irina: Unconditional love for every person, as for me. See me in everyone and see me in yourself!

01:18:05 The Ekadashi Fast.

Dmitry: Thank you. Please tell us about the meaning of the Ekadashi fast, and the results of following it. This fast is usually observed on the eleventh lunar day of the waxing or waning moon.

Irina: I like your world because in religious traditions, especially those formed more than 1000 earthly years ago, there is a spiritual explanation for any material action: eating, clothing, abstaining from eating. As soon as the Moon appeared in the earthly sky, people attached great importance to the lunar calendar, to the changing phases of the Moon. This is not accidental. The changing position of the Moon, Earth, and Sun in space sets in motion certain subtle-material energies. Each lunar day was described by learned brahmins, priests, astrologers. A gemstone, color, and animal were selected that corresponded to the vibrations of space on that day.

There were two days of purification in the lunar calendar, both spiritual and physical. Representatives of a subtle-material civilization that communicated with the learned brahmins passed this information on to them. On these two days of the lunar month, space is oriented towards cleansing from negativity accumulated by people, for example, negative thought-forms. Two lunar days were dedicated to their dissolution.

A recommendation was given to people: on these days, space would help them cleanse themselves of everything unnecessary and hindering. Initially, this had a spiritual meaning. That is, spiritual purification: forgiving people, forgiving oneself, reconciliation, repaying debts, and so on.

Later, it began to be translated to food. According to the advice of the subtle-material beings, nothing should enter the physical body during this period except a small amount of water (shows), a handful of vegetables.

Any food contains energy and should not interfere with spiritual purification. The correct attunement occurs at this moment. This matters if you are in the tradition, chanting mantras. They enhance the purification. I want to say that this is only of auxiliary importance in the religious tradition. Not the main one.

01:22:56 Nrisimha Dev, Half-Man Half-Lion.

Dmitry: Thank you. In the "Srimad-Bhagavatam," Your incarnation on Earth in the form of a half-man, half-lion is described. His name is Nrisimha Dev. Is he a symbol, or is this Your incarnation? Did Nrisimha Dev exist?

Irina: This is not my incarnation and not my phantom. I'll explain. About 500 thousand years ago, there was a civilization on Earth. I had not yet been born in the form of Krishna. But I was a Spirit. One of my friends incarnated on Earth.

When he was a child, he was raised in the house of cruel relatives. A relative of his father mistreated him. He wanted the child to submit, to obey him. He was about five years old. He wanted to play with other children, to communicate with me—he was my contactee—to sit and talk mentally.

His uncle would force him to bring something, and he might not hear. They had conflicts (shows). Because of his character, the uncle had an "attachment" to a negative subtle-material entity.

One time, he started beating the boy. My phantom was nearby. I decided it was time for this man to learn a lesson. I addressed the subtle-material entity attached to this man. It appeared before him to stop him. He wouldn't have noticed my energies, as he was at a low level of vibrations to feel me (he shows me black resin). His Soul was like that. The being was similar to him. In your terms, a demon in a subtle-material body.

It assumed the form of a lion, twice as tall, with large teeth, dripping saliva. At the moment the uncle was beating the boy, he saw a man-lion emerge from the wall. In fur. A subtle-material entity. It did this at my request: it attacked the man. He experienced fear. Beings who rage and beat children easily experience fear if they see someone stronger. He lost consciousness. His body fell. At that same moment, he left incarnation. He had damage to his brain. It wasn't the subtle-material entity that caused the damage, but the fear. Why did they write that this was my incarnation? Because he served as an instrument for protecting the child.

Dmitry: Thank you.

01:28:28 The Advent of Kalki Avatar. The Point of Destiny for Earth.

Elena: In the Vedic sacred scriptures, it is said about the advent of Kalki Avatar at the end of Kali Yuga. Will this truly happen? Please tell us about this incarnation. Is it Your incarnation? In how many earthly years will this occur?

Irina: I know what is being discussed. All the figures mentioned there have a symbolic meaning. The one named Kalki Avatar is not a single Spirit. This is an image of light Spirits who are changing reality. Now Earth is in the process of changing reality, because many light Spirits are incarnating. Those who incarnated in tamo-guna are attaining Light. This is also a "birth of Kalki Avatar."

In how many earthly years will he come? What does "he will come" mean? It means the complete victory of light vibrations, when there will no longer be darkness enveloping Earth. (He concentrates and looks from the Spiritual World at the Timeline). In a favorable version of the Timeline, this will happen in the next 80 years; in an unfavorable one, the time will increase about fourfold. (He says) Branches, finer ones diverge from them. He named two that he saw.

Vladimir: At what point does this fork, this transition to another branch, occur? That is, currently the 80-year path is more probable, at this moment?

Irina: The fork has not yet occurred. The planet, like a person. Just as with a person, civilizations have turning points. That is, a civilization or an individual person is placed before a certain choice. The "branch of the tree," the Tree of Destiny, along which the civilization or person will go, will depend on the outcome. This is the fork.

The point that will be turning for your planet, it is called the "Point of Destiny," will occur around the year 2032. For the entire planet. You will face a choice, your entire civilization—to go along the path of raising vibrations, towards the Light, or lowering them. For many, the second path will be simpler.

Vladimir: What caused this choice? What events? What will happen, a little more detail?

Irina: Not that there are dangers, not war, but an atmosphere where it could almost start.

Vladimir: A global war?

Irina: It won't start, but there will be danger (He shows me) Like combustible gas, hydrogen, when dispersed, just before lighting a match. But it won't light. There is a greater probability that it won't light. There will be tension, a confrontation of the entire civilization. One word would be enough.

Vladimir: 2032?

Irina: Around that year, a series of events will occur that will place civilization before a choice. Depending on the outcome of this choice, it will go down one "branch" or another.

Vladimir: Thank you.

01:33:32 The Meaning of Krishna's 16,108 Wives in Dvaraka.

Dmitry: Dear Shri Krishna, did You truly have 16,108 wives in Dvaraka, each of whom bore You sons? Was a separate palace built for each of them? Is it true that You could be with each of them simultaneously in these palaces? Or is this a symbolic depiction of something, a description?

Irina: If you are asking about my physical life on Earth, everything was simpler. We lived in an area where it was impossible to build palaces, or have such a number of wives. I had a physical body. Even if enhanced by the vibrations of another planet, it was not infinite for a flow of such desires. Here we are talking about a symbol, a description. Any Soul that approaches me feels so close to me, as a wife feels close to her husband. If she feels this, a palace is built for her—this is a symbol of happiness, prosperity, Love, spiritual beauty. Children are the fruits of the Soul. In the form of boys and girls, it means in the form of intelligent thoughts and feelings of Love. If it is written that a wife conceived from me, from Krishna, and gave birth to a child, this indicates that the Soul gave birth from union with me, with my Spirit.

Dmitry: Does the figure 16,108 symbolize the population of Dvaraka that was united in consciousness with You? Why 16,108?

Irina: 16,108. Each digit has a symbolic meaning, characteristic of the understanding of the people who wrote these texts. The first digit "1" denotes God and me, as a being one with Him. The second digit "6" denotes absolute Love. The third "1" means God.

What do they all mean together? The Divine principle in man. When he develops Love within himself, he begins to see the divine principle in another person. The next digit "0" denotes infinity. The last digit "8" denotes contact with the material world and the spreading of energy flows. Infinite love, which was developed, spreads to the material world.

01:37:36 Animal Food in Krishnaism.

Dmitry: Thank you for the detailed explanation. Why do your followers strictly abstain from consuming animal proteins? Can a person be your devotee while consuming meat, fish, or eggs?

Irina: Why do they adhere to the rules that were founded in Vaishnavism? They were founded on contacts with those forms of entities that create, give birth to the Souls of animals, birds, fish, and help them incarnate. They conveyed information that this should not be done, that it hinders evolution, and therefore lowers a person's vibrations.

The information was transmitted by representatives of subtle-material civilizations. Is this truth or delusion? From their perspective, it is absolute truth, at their level of development. They see that young animals are being killed for food. The animal has not yet passed the period when it has lost its ability to reproduce. The Soul that separates from the body in this case returns to the astral world. It becomes accessible for contact with the subtle-material civilizations that created it. They invested a program in it that it would live longer and accumulate more energy. By depriving it of life ahead of time, people disrupted the plans of these beings.

It was transmitted: "You will lower your vibrations if you disrupt plans. You will go into darkness, you will go away from God." That's how it was transmitted.

It's all a matter of your consciousness. You can lower your vibrations, go into darkness away from me, from God within you, without killing an animal, by treating it cruelly. You can love an animal that a person will later consume as food, if they treat it with love, cause no unnecessary suffering, and see their own energy in it. This is possible if the person is completely convinced that it is not a sin.

If he has doubts, then by these doubts he lowers his vibrations. If there is no trust in oneself, then there is no trust in God within oneself. This is a sinful reaction, sinful actions.

When I lived on Earth, there were many people who kept animals for food in their households. There were many hunters who hunted deer, birds, and so on. No one considered them sinners, because they asked their Spirits, their gods, to send them an animal so they could eat it. They always thanked God.

You can be my devotee and eat food if you are sure it is pure. Before consuming food, mentally visualize the animal. You killed it, or someone else killed it. This does not matter as much as the spiritual component of the process.

The animal, fish, or bird lived on Earth; they were living Souls. They gave you their body so that you could be satiated and get pleasure from eating. You could say they sacrificed their body, their life, for you. To accept this sacrifice in purity and raise your vibrations before eating animal food, imagine this animal—you know what it looks like—and mentally send it the Light of Love, gratitude for its body.

Perhaps it experienced suffering in this life. There is no need to ask its forgiveness. You are not to blame for having such a nature. Mentally send it the Light of Love. Light sent in purity will reach the Soul, raise its vibrations, and calm it. It is in a state of discarnation. It will help it obtain another body, in another type of animal.

If this was its last incarnation before splitting into many smaller Souls, it will help it go through this process more harmoniously.

Remember that Soul which gave its life for you, and not only animals; plant Souls also give their lives for you, not only for food, but also for the objects you use in daily life.

Learn to always be grateful to all beings, rational and non-rational, whom you meet in your earthly incarnation. This energy will help you raise your vibrations and connect with me.

01:45:17 The Five Pandava Brothers.

Dmitry: Thank you! Dear Shri Krishna, a question about the five Pandava brothers: Yudhishthira, Bhima, Arjuna, Nakula, and Sahadeva, who are described in the Mahabharata. Also their brother Karna. Were their fathers demigods?

Irina: He says there were more brothers. He says there were fourteen. Fourteen brothers and three sisters.

Dmitry: Children of Kunti?

Irina: Yes. She lived a long time. She had 17 children.

Dmitry: There are five described. It is said their fathers were demigods. Is this a symbol or real? How can this be explained? The mother is an earthly woman, Kunti, and the fathers are demigods?

Irina: The father was a human. The word "father" was used as a form of address to a spiritual teacher—spiritual father. It was customary at that time. If a specific demigod, that is, a sura, was indicated, he could have been in the form of an animal. This was also a spiritual mentor, a representative of a subtle-material civilization, who appeared in a form, not to the father, but to the brother—in the form of an image, for communication.

Dmitry: How were the Pandava brothers conceived? In the usual way? Were their parents from Earth?

Irina: Yes. Only my father was from another planet.

Dmitry: Thank you.

01:47:39 Communication with Arjuna, Incarnated on Earth.

Vladimir: Tell me, please, respected Krishna, do you communicate with the incarnated Arjuna? We know he is incarnated on Earth, according to data from the Interstellar Union.

Irina: Not only I communicate, but also Archangel Michael. The entity you know as Shiva communicates. Yes, we communicate. Sometimes he communicates with the phantom of Christ. He has several curators. They are incarnated on other planets.

Vladimir: Thank You. Please, Elena!

01:48:35 Materialization. Teleportation. Levitation.

Elena: What miracles did Krishna perform while living on Earth? From a modern person's perspective, they are beyond the framework of scientific understanding.

Irina: I don't know the framework of scientific understanding in your time.

Vladimir: The appearance of objects, from an observer's point of view, "out of nowhere"; passing through walls in a physical body; flights of the physical body without any devices, and so on.

Irina: That is, did I possess this during incarnation on Earth? Yes, of course. Not only me. These are not miracles. These are laws of nature that I knew and could allocate life force to perform them. This is not exactly materialization.

Materialization is not appearing out of nowhere; it is creating certain objects, of a certain form, density, mass, physical parameters, chemical parameters, from the energy of subtle-material civilizations. They provide the energy for this.

You invest your energy, and they condense it, gather it.

Moving through walls (He shows). He does not go through the wall. He disappears in one place and appears in another.

Vladimir: That is, teleportation. That's what we call it.

Irina: This is a simple action. There is no one hundred percent certainty that it will happen this way. For it to be safe, you need to be able to think very quickly and visualize your entire body in the smallest detail, down to the smallest particle. You call it "atom," and how they are assembled. When you imagine this in a figurative order, you give a mental command to your Spirit to turn these atoms into a kind of electromagnetic wave that can penetrate walls, and then assemble them in reverse order. If a person does not possess this ability or possesses it only partially, it can be dangerous. They might assemble the body in the wrong order, and it would perish.

Levitation is controlling the Earth's gravity. This can be done. It is safer than teleportation, provided you have enough life force and one hundred percent certainty that you will not just fly up, but will not lose control in flight. Otherwise, your pillar of life force that repels you from the ground might disappear, and you will fall.

Vladimir: We were talking about levitation. About flights without technical devices.

01:52:03 Sita and Hanuman.

Dmitry: There remains a question about the incarnation of Rama in Treta Yuga, described in the form of Sita and Hanuman.

Irina: I know who you are talking about. That incarnation was not on Earth, but on the planet Picran. What is described in the book you call the Ramayana is written in images.

The meaning of the description: in the incarnation I was in, the humanoid's name was Ramsharpa. I had a beloved girl. She was not an incarnation of Radha. She was an incarnation of a Soul very close to her, in your terms, a friend, if one can say that about a spiritual being. It is closer than friends.

She flew to another planet and met there (shows) a reptiloid, not from Selbet, taller. He became her spiritual teacher. She wanted to renounce marriage with me, because she thought it was her path. I flew to that planet. In a conversation with the teacher and with her—she had ended up in a religious family on another planet, not on Burhad—I told them that the highest truth of religion is in Love, and she agreed to go with me.

That religious leader with whom she was regretted this and died. They were beings who kept all emotions inside. Because of this, they could experience a feeling of apathy. Their brain, because of this, created a dissonance between the Spirit and the body, and they would leave incarnation.

At that time, I had already taken my girl to Burhad. When she learned of her spiritual teacher's death, she became very ill. She developed an illness with a very high body temperature, as if burning with fire; the bones inside the body began to melt.

This is not an infection, but her own immunity triggered. In this state (I was next to her), she was like this for many earthly weeks. In the end, she forgave herself, passed the lesson, but her body remained unable to bear children.

Dmitry: And who is Hanuman in this story?

Irina: This is an inhabitant of the planet my beloved had flown to. He was in an alliance with me, helped me find her. They were hiding where she was. They were in a deep forest, in a clearing, like an island, among thickets. You couldn't even stick your hand between the trees.

01:57:14 Krishna's Functions.

Vladimir: Next question. Respected Krishna, tell me, please, who were You? Your most significant role in the past Manvantara, in the past sub-cycle of the Universe's development? And what are Your main (very briefly) functions now, as the Galaxy Coordinator, as far as we know? What do they consist of?

Irina: In the past Manvantara, I changed many bodies. My main function was the same as now, Galaxy Coordinator. What does this mean? Not a physical, but a spiritual coordinator.

A coordinator is one who coordinates the efforts and methods of incarnation of spiritual entities on all planes of material existence. He coordinates the plans of the Spiritual, subtle-material, and physical world in a specific Galaxy, as I currently do in the Milky Way Galaxy.

01:58:20 Krishna's Final Words.

Vladimir: I thank you for the answers. Does dear Shri Krishna have any desire to tell us something in conclusion?

Irina: I was happy to spend time with you and answer your questions, which were chosen not only with wisdom, but also with Love for me, for yourselves.

Dear Dima, you are on the right path; I see every thought of yours, especially those directed towards your child.

Elena, you doubt a lot, but you are stronger than you think.

Vladimir, let go of all your past fears and doubts, especially anger, and surrender completely to me. You will be infinitely happy, as you are happy now [in some moments].

Irina, I thank you for the opportunity to convey my thoughts to the people of this generation and this country.

Maxim, I thank you for the opportunity, for making this communication happen.

Dmitry: Thank you.

Vladimir: I thank everyone present here for their participation and the energy they invested. From the bottom of my heart, I thank Krishna for giving us the most unique opportunity, in all our incarnations, in the entire history of humanity, in this format, to hear the most important answers to our modest questions. Thank you.

Maxim: Until next time, bye!

Vladimir: Until next time on the air!

July 17, 2021

Conference participants:

Irina Podzorova - contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations;
Vladimir Goldstein – journalist and Facebook group administrator, assistant project manager of "Cassiopeia";
Dmitry Sheludko - member of the Krishna Consciousness Society, Krasnodar Region;
Elena Rybalchenko - member of the Krishna Consciousness Society, Saint Petersburg;

Shri Krishna – in the form of a phantom.