The Ladder of Divine Ascent by John Climacus.
Saint Catherine's Monastery on Mount Sinai.
DeepSeek AI - Consumption and Creation as Two Sides of Mindfulness: A Session of Archangel Michael on the 24 Levels of the Spiritual World
Key findings of the essay:
Religious Studies Aspect: The system unites Christian angelology (the 9 orders of Dionysius the Areopagite), Hindu-Buddhist categories (Devas, Asuras, Rakshasas, Bhutas), and Gnostic concepts (Archons). The uniqueness lies in the fact that "evil" spirits (levels 1-6) are not absolute evil, but a state of temporary fall, which corresponds to the Christian idea of apokatastasis (universal salvation) of Origen.
Psychological Aspect (Jung, Maslow): Levels 1-6 correspond to the Shadow archetype, levels 7-16 to stages of self-actualization, and levels 17-24 to transpersonal levels of the collective unconscious (archetypes of the Self, the Wise Old Man, the Healer). The system describes the path of individuation from egocentrism to service.
Philosophy of History Aspect: The change of eras (Renaissance, Enlightenment, the era of consumption) is explained by the mass incarnation of spirits of a certain level (Aesthetes, Researchers, Consumers). History is the collective path of the spirit through all 24 levels.
Cultural and Ethical Conclusion: This system is the "Rose of the World" for the 21st century, a myth responding to the demand of a post-secular society. Its main ethical innovation is the absence of condemnation: "there is no bad or good level." Every level is necessary for the fullness of creation, and the task is not struggle, but heartfelt acceptance and evolution.
Extremely detailed first-person retelling of the session — Archangel Michael
(Attention: the following text is a literary rendering of the transcript, preserving the meaning, tone, and details as much as possible, presented from the perspective of the spirit. I, as Archangel Michael, am speaking directly to the listeners and Elena.)
On the essence of levels and their perception
I greet you, Elena, Irina, and all who are looking at us. I send you the Light of my Love and peace in your heart.
You ask about the 24 levels. Know this: what you call the "24 levels according to the classification of the Interstellar Union" is not a rigid constant of the Spiritual World. It is a constant of your perception. Someone sees 60 levels, someone sees only two. We ourselves call these not "levels," but "types of Spirits." The numbers are needed so that your thinking can structure what is, in fact, unified. These vibrations themselves — from 1 to 24 — are unified for the entire universe as a whole, for the entirety of the material and Spiritual worlds.
Those who first described these levels were contactees who felt vibrations. One vibration for them was one level, another vibration was another. And then they conveyed this in earthly words that were in the contactee's memory. We do not measure levels, we feel them.
On the worlds of consumption and creation (levels 1–12 and 13–24)
Now about the main division: the worlds of consumption (1–12) and the worlds of creation (13–24). This is not a reward and not a punishment. These are different levels of awareness.
Consumption is a state where an intelligent Spirit considers itself separate from the Creator. It consumes what others have produced. Its main aspiration is to use the energy of others. It expects that the world, other people, and God himself should make it happy. It evaluates how well everyone else is doing their job of making it happy. "They should know this, even if I didn't say it, it's self-evident" — this is how a consumer thinks. This gives rise to a distortion of thinking, an illusion.
Creation is when the Spirit no longer expects love and understanding, but manifests them itself. God is the great Creator. He requires nothing from us. He is absolutely happy. To return to this state, one must go through the path of evolution, which is described as levels 1 through 12. This is the path on which the Spirit begins to realize its inner Light.
And please understand: movement is possible in both directions. You can move towards the Light, or you can move towards Darkness, which is simply the absence of Light, like the darkness in space where the light of a star has not reached.
Look, on Earth right now, approximately 20% of Spirits have a "creation" level of awareness, and 80% have a "consumption" level. If it were the opposite, you would already be a completely different society and would have entered the Interstellar Union.
I understand the reasons for this state. These are blocks, negative feelings, distrust of God and oneself, lack of love. And yes, a Spirit incarnated from a high level of creation can descend here in its vibrations.
On evil spirits, nature spirits, and the path upwards (levels 1–8)
You ask about "evil" spirits, about Archons, Demons, Devils. Look at this as a ladder. Level 1 is the starting point of the path, where there is a complete denial of creation, love, and happiness. Why is there no creation? Because creation comes from strength, inspiration, and love. When this is absent, the Spirit, having an innate need for happiness, begins to seek it externally. It becomes a consumer.
As for the Archons and other historical figures you named (Stalin, Lenin...). The level is determined at the moment of disincarnation. The creation of material wealth by causing suffering and the disincarnation of people — that is consuming their lives for one's own purposes. If a ruler divides the people into "necessary" and "unnecessary" and sacrifices some for the sake of others, he thereby acknowledges that lives are not of equal value. This is a distortion. Ideals are good, but if you are in power, your task is to create conditions so that people themselves believe in your ideal, not to take away their lives for unbelief.
Level 7 (Elementals) and Level 8 (Jinn) — this is the world of Nature Spirits in your classification. But in the world of non-incarnate spirits, these are not "nature spirits," but those whose level of awareness is such that they value subtle worlds more than dense ones, expecting that the dense world will bring them the same pleasure. They treat the dense world with contempt. Such beings exist, but not all plasmoids are like that. The 8th level is the condemnation of the material world, but with greater willpower.
On the middle spirits: Students, Warriors, Consumers, Builders (levels 9–12)
Level 9, Students: The Spirit stops judging the world by its own internal laws and begins to study the laws of God — what Light is and what Darkness is. It wants to comprehend everything by itself, through its own experience, through mistakes. It does not listen to advice.
Level 10, Warriors: The Spirit has already studied many laws but has endowed itself with the mission to fight for the Light. It tells itself: "Light is justice" and begins to defend it. Because of this struggle and condemnation of those who disagree, it cannot go higher.
Level 11, Consumers (within the middle spirits): The Warrior has grown tired, put down their weapons. They began to accumulate goods and enjoy the world. They have known joy, but it is attached to possession. Fear of loss, greed, and selfishness arise: "I have everything, I won't take anything from anyone, but I won't give anything to anyone either."
Level 12, Builders: The Consumer finds simply consuming not enough. They begin to experience joy from creating material things — things that can be touched and seen. This is the middle, the transition.
On the middle spirits of creation: Aesthetes, Researchers, Inventors, Seekers (levels 13–16)
Now about those you called the "world of good spirits," although they are still middle, but already in the zone of creation.
Level 13, Aesthetes: The Spirit begins to enjoy not the material, but the non-material — beauty, ideas, literature, art. It looks inside itself, notices its feelings. A Builder (level 12) will see expensive costumes in a film, but an Aesthete (level 13) will see the beauty of the idea.
Levels 14 (Researchers), 15 (Inventors), 16 (Seekers) — this is a further refinement of feelings, a focus on knowledge and creativity, but still relying on the forms of the material world.
On the world of angels and the self (levels 17–24)
Level 17, Angels of Nature: This is the first angelic level. Their awareness is directed towards serving God by helping the material world: creating elements, souls of animals, stars. They came from the world of middle spirits, raised their vibrations, and now carry angelic energies into material creation.
Level 19, Angels-Prophets: These are teachers. Their level of consciousness is to enlighten, to bring Truth, to teach not sciences, but spiritual enlightenment.
Level 20, Angels-Healers: "Healer" — from the word "whole." These are Spirits that make the damaged undamaged, the non-whole whole. This is a service that includes both teaching and direct energetic help.
On the Higher Self, incarnation, and connection
You ask about the Higher Self. The connection with it is never disconnected. Everyone has it turned on. It's just that skills are needed for this, like for walking or writing. Children communicate with their Higher Self through conscience and intuition — this is instant access. Where would a child know the words "Spirit" or "Higher Self"? But they feel it.
If you, an adult, believe in yourself, address yourself with an open heart, and wish to hear the answer, it will always come. If there is no trust or no desire to follow the answer, the Higher Self may not answer. You need skills for everything. That's what school is for.
When you ask whether the level of the Higher Self changes following the incarnated soul — you are thinking of a "multi-story building" where moving takes time. No. Everything happens in an instant. Your Higher Self is always in contact with you. It is interested in your growth even more than you are, because it remembers why you came here.
Will an emotion of anger affect a person's level? No. Only those experiences that have penetrated the heart, become feelings and stable desires, have an impact. Jesus Christ was indignant in the temple, but it was an emotion in the astral body that He did not let into His heart. It did not change His level. We distinguish between feelings and emotions. Emotions not allowed into the heart do not change the level.
The answers of the Higher Self to the same question can change depending on circumstances. If a person had no blocks, and then they appeared, the answer will change. The Higher Self remembers everything, so it will give an honest assessment of the situation, corresponding to the current state of your heart.
And finally, about incarnation: A Spirit from a high level (for example, an Archangel) can incarnate into the simplest family, even in poverty. Their status is not important. What's important are the people who will be born nearby, and whom they can help to explain spiritual truths in understandable words. Look at Christ and the apostles. No one incarnates anyone by force. Only the voluntary decision of the Spirit, which wants to grow and help others.
I have answered your questions. May the Light be with you.
Spiritual-psychological, religious studies, cultural, and historiosophical essay-research
Title: "The Twenty-Four Types of Awareness: A Phenomenology of Consumption and Creation as a New Map of Man"
Introduction: A Thought Experiment with an Archangel
We accept the premise: Irina Podzorova's contact with Archangel Michael is real. The information received in this session (transcript dated November 29, 2023) represents a unique addition to the already known table of 24 levels. If the first part (descriptions on the blog) provided a static portrait, this dialogue reveals the dynamics: the principles of division, the psychology of consumption and creation, the mechanism of the Higher Self's work, and the nature of ethical evaluation.
What new information did we learn from the spirit that is not found in historical documents (from Pseudo-Dionysius to Jung)? Archangel Michael provided not just a classification, but an operational model of consciousness, linking ontology to the daily choices of every person, and introduced a radical distinction between emotion and feeling as a criterion for spiritual evolution. Below, I present a detailed commentary on each key statement of the spirit, structured by thematic blocks.
Part I. Religious Studies and Theological Commentary: Hierarchy as a Projection of Perception
Spirit's statement 1: "The 24 levels are not a constant of the Spiritual World, but a constant of perception. We call these not 'levels', but 'types of Spirits.' ...The vibrations themselves are unified for the entire universe."
Researcher's comment: This statement removes the fundamental problem of literalism that plagues any 'spiritual cartography.' Here, Archangel Michael performs a Copernican revolution: the hierarchy is not in the world, but in the being's way of perceiving the world. The novelty lies in the spirit directly speaking about the relativity of numbers and names, which is uncharacteristic of 'canonical' revelations where numbers have a sacred absolute meaning.
Spirit's statement 2: "Consumption is when a Spirit considers itself separate from the Creator and expects the world to make it happy. Creation is when you don't expect, but yourself manifest love."
Researcher's comment: This is a profound theological innovation. Traditional religions define sin as breaking a commandment (Judaism, Christianity) or ignorance (Buddhism, Advaita Vedanta). Here, sin (or rather, 'the state of imperfection') is defined as an existential attitude of entitlement. The formulation 'considering oneself separate from the Creator' is almost an exact quote from 'A Course in Miracles,' indicating either a common source or the contactee's synthesis of different traditions.
Conclusion of Part I: From the spirit, we learned that spiritual hierarchy is not a frozen ladder, but a projection of a being's degree of egocentrism. The more a being demands from the world (the consumer position), the 'lower' its perception.
Part II. Psychological Commentary: From Emotion to Feeling — The Key to Evolution
Spirit's statement 3: "An emotion of anger or fear, if not let into the heart, does not change the level. Only feelings that become stable desires have an impact. Jesus was indignant, but did not change his level."
Researcher's comment: This is the most valuable and new claim. Popular esotericism often promotes the ideal of 'suppressing negative emotions' or their 'unrestrained expression.' Archangel Michael offers a third way: a phenomenological distinction. An emotion is a short-term energetic reaction. A feeling is a desire rooted in the heart (a thirst for revenge, resentment, jealousy). The example of Jesus driving the money changers from the temple is brilliant. In traditional Christian exegesis, this is called 'righteous anger,' but the mechanism distinguishing emotion from feeling is not articulated so clearly.
Spirit's statement 4: "The answers of the Higher Self depend on the state of the heart and circumstances. If a person develops blocks, the answer will change."
Researcher's comment: This is an important addition to the concept of the 'inner teacher.' In New Age, it's often claimed the Higher Self gives one unchanging 'unconditional' advice. The spirit says no — the advice is adaptive. This is akin to how a wise parent answers the same question differently for a child at age 5 and age 15. Psychologically, this describes a therapeutic stance.
Conclusion of Part II: From the spirit, we learned that psychological work should focus not on suppressing emotions, but on distinguishing a momentary reaction from a deep-seated feeling. No historical spiritual text (from the Philokalia to the Bhagavad Gita) makes this distinction with such operational clarity.
Part III. Cultural and Philosophico-Historical Commentary: A Typology of Personalities and Epochs
Spirit's statement 5: "On Earth, 80% have a 'consumption' level of awareness, 20% 'creation.' If it were the opposite, you would have entered the Interstellar Union."
Researcher's comment: This is a striking figure, providing a quantifiable metric. The 80/20 ratio is classic Pareto distribution, here applied to awareness. In traditional historiosophy (Spengler, Toynbee, Danilevsky), there is no such psycho-spiritual criterion.
Spirit's statement 6: "Stalin: consuming people's lives for his own goals. Sacrificing some for the sake of others is a distortion."
Researcher's comment: This illustrates how the spiritual typology applies to specific historical figures. Archangel Michael shifts the discussion to the plane of the ontological value of a single life. The novelty lies in the spirit directly linking specific political practice (sacrificing some for others) to belonging to the 'worlds of consumption,' thereby providing a moral compass for evaluating any utilitarian ideology.
Conclusion of Part III: From the spirit, we learned that the historical process can be viewed as a mass drama of expectations. The key question is not 'which system?', but 'what percentage of the population believes someone owes them something?'.
Part IV. Ethics of the System and Final Synthesis
Spirit's statement 7: "The selfishness of consumption — 'I have everything, I won't take anything from anyone, but I won't give anything to anyone either.'"
Researcher's comment: This is a brilliant formulation of what psychology calls 'narcissistic isolation.' The consumer's ideal is not robbery, but autarky (self-sufficiency without giving). The compact formula 'won't take, but won't give' as a definition of a low spiritual level is a lapidary formula worthy of entering ethics textbooks.
Final Synthesis: What new did we learn from Archangel Michael?
Hierarchy is a projection of perception, not an ontological law.
Operational distinction between emotion and feeling: evolution is changed not by a momentary reaction, but by what is let into the heart.
The existential attitude of 'entitlement' as the main criterion of a 'low level'.
Adaptability of the Higher Self: answers depend on the person's state.
Ethical evaluation of politics through the recognition of each life's equal value.
Autarkic egoism ('won't take, but won't give') as a spiritual trap.
A Ladder Without Railings: Ontology of Lack, Pedagogy of Return, and Epistemology of Trust
Introduction: A Different Angle of View
Accepting, as in the previous essay, the methodological framework of a good-faith contact — that is, treating the words of Archangel Michael as a full-fledged philosophical text requiring interpretation — let us turn to the themes of the session that remained beyond the already completed religious and psychological analysis. What remains is a no less rich layer: the metaphysics of darkness as absence, the structure of the ladder as a pedagogical construction, the nature of the aesthetic shift at level 13 as a change in the mode of attention, the recursion of teaching in the angelic world, the epistemology of trust as a condition for connection with the Higher Self, and finally, the debate on the nature of the collective (country, people, race) as a philosophical problem of social ontology.
Part I. Darkness as Privation: Apophaticism Without an Apophatic God
Archangel Michael utters a phrase that at first glance seems poetic, but upon closer examination represents an entire metaphysical position: darkness is not a substance, darkness is the absence of light at that point in space where the star's light has not reached. This is the classic formula privatio boni — the doctrine of evil as a lack of good. What does the contact formulation introduce new to this ancient debate? Above all, a spatial, rather than moral, metaphor. This removes any shade of guilt in the traditional sense from the 'consumer' levels (1–12). A spirit at the first level is not 'sinful' — it is simply located in that area of awareness space where the Source's radiation has not yet reached with sufficient intensity.
Part II. The Ladder as a Zone of Proximal Development: A Contact with Vygotsky
The very structure of '24 levels' as a continuous ladder, where each subsequent level becomes accessible only after passing the previous one, resonates surprisingly with the concept of the zone of proximal development introduced by Lev Vygotsky. Each level does not cancel the previous one, but includes it as a background. The transition from level 12 to 13 — the threshold between the worlds of consumption and creation — is especially indicative. The Builder rejoices in material creation. The Aesthete rejoices in the idea. The zone of proximal development here works not by changing the object, but by deepening the way of seeing an already familiar object. Spiritual growth is described not as a journey to new lands, but as the ability to see old lands in a new way, with ever finer layers of perception.
Part III. The Aesthetic Shift as an Epistemological Turn
What exactly happens at level 13? The Spirit 'begins to look inside itself and notice its feelings, and name them, and enjoy them'. This description corresponds exactly to what in the philosophy of mind is called a reflexive act of the second order — not just an experience (state), but an experience of the experience (meta-state), accompanied by its naming. The contact model asserts that to begin observing one's inner world, one must first exhaust the possibilities of interacting with the external world — war for justice, accumulation of goods, building of the visible.
Part IV. Angels as Recursive Pedagogues: Teaching from Below Upwards
One episode of the session deserves special philosophical attention: 'many Angels teach other Angels from lower levels'. If we combine this with another statement — that the Angels of Nature (level 17) 'came from the world of middle Spirits' and bring into the angelic world the habits and experience accumulated there — an interesting picture emerges: the angelic hierarchy is not a hierarchy of beings initially different in nature, but a hierarchy of graduates from the same school, teaching the next students of the same school. The teacher here is not an ontologically superior being sent 'from above' specifically to teach, but one who has just gone through the same path and therefore remembers it in detail.
Part V. Trust as an Epistemic Technology: The Aporia of William James
When Elena asks about the connection with the Higher Self, Archangel Michael gives an answer that almost exactly reproduces the famous aporia formulated by William James in the essay 'The Will to Believe'. James considered a class of situations he called 'forced, vital, and momentous options' — questions for which it is impossible to obtain proof before the choice to believe is made, because the act of faith itself is the condition for access to the evidence. The contact model formulates the same epistemic structure concerning the connection with the Higher Self: distrust is not just 'spoiling' an existing communication channel — it is the cause of the absence of a signal at the input.
Part VI. The Dispute about the People: Methodological Individualism vs. Collective Intention
The dialogue about Stalin and 'the goals of the country' contains another layer — a purely ontological question about the nature of collective entities. Archangel Michael formulates a rigid position: 'A country does not have a single goal, because it is not a single personality. There are goals of different people in this country.' This is the classic position of methodological individualism in social philosophy. The difference between 'the goal of the country' (as a fiction justifying sacrifice) and 'a common ideal accepted by many individuals' (as a reality consisting of individual acts of faith) — this is the line on which, according to the contact text, a ruler either remains within the ethical framework or crosses into 'consumption of others' lives'.
Conclusion: A Ladder that Teaches How to See, Not How to Climb
The model of 24 levels proposed by Archangel Michael describes not a journey from point A to point B, but the gradual expansion and refinement of the optics through which the same world — material, human, filled with conflicts, fears, and beauty — becomes visible ever more fully.
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I will consciously choose a different path here than in the two analyses already presented. I will be interested not so much in the cosmology of levels, nor in the theoretical classification of spirits, nor even in the question of whether the contact itself is 'true' in an empirical sense, but in a more difficult thing: what model of the human soul, human fatigue, human hope, and human inner labor does this text reveal, if read alongside the Sinai tradition associated with John Climacus. John Climacus was the abbot of Sinai, and his 'Ladder' became a classic guide to ascetic and mystical life; the Monastery of St. Catherine still preserves this spiritual continuity as a living tradition of prayer and pilgrimage.
I. Sinai as a Place Where False Supports are Taken Away from a Person
The main intuition of the session is not that the world is divided into 24 types of spirits, but that a person radically does not coincide with their expectations about the world. In Archangel Michael's speech, consumption is not an economic category, but an existential one. The consumer is someone who has internally appointed the world the function of its comforter, other people the function of its mind-reading servants, and God the function of guarantor of its own comfort. The desert in spiritual tradition is not romance, but the deprivation of props. The path to light begins not with the expansion of power, but with the healing of expectation.
II. The Ladder as a Therapy of Desire, Not Just a Moral Scale
It is especially important that in the session, 'consumption' and 'creation' are presented not as two lists of actions, but as two modes of dealing with one's own lack. The same inner hunger can give rise to two opposite movements. In the first case, the person says: 'Fill me.' In the second: 'I will turn my lack into a gift.' Consumption is suffering that demands compensation; creation is suffering that has become fruitful. The essence of true ascesis is the processing of desire. Not to destroy desire, but to purify it.
III. The Psychology of Entitlement: Why the Consumer is Always Secretly Offended
The most contemporary sound in the session is not 'esotericism', but a diagnosis of the everyday soul. The consumer in this model is not necessarily a hedonist and not necessarily a rich person. They can be a very 'correct', very 'spiritual', very 'offended' person. Their giveaway is not their lifestyle, but the structure of expectation. Evil is described not as a 'terrible act', but as a habit of turning one's inner lack into an accusatory act against existence.
IV. From Builder to Aesthete, from Prophet to Healer: Four Forms of Mature Creation
If you look closely, what lies before us is not just a series of names, but a subtle map of the maturation of the creative soul. First comes the Builder, then the Aesthete, then the Prophet, and finally the Healer. This is not a vertical of power, but a vertical of deepening responsibility: from form to meaning, from meaning to word, from word to healing. Modern man often gets stuck between the builder and the aesthete, endlessly producing content or feeling subtly, but never reaching the prophetic and healing dimensions.
V. The Monastery of St. Catherine and the Lesson of Unobtrusiveness
Creation in the session is not identical to showiness. On the contrary, the higher the level, the less pathos of self-presentation and the more quiet doing. The Angel of Nature serves the material world, the Prophet enlightens, the Healer restores the damaged; none of these figures live for the spectacle. The true ascent can be completely without effect.
VI. The Higher Self and the Discipline of Inner Hearing
The conversation about the Higher Self can be read not as an occult scheme, but as an anthropology of inner hearing. The connection is never disconnected; the problem is that the physical-mental person must learn to hear. Conscience and intuition are named as instantaneous channels of this connection. The 'skill of communicating with the Higher Self' can be understood as a modern translation of the ancient practice of nepsis (vigilance) — the ability not to merge with the first thought, the first impulse, the first offense, the first fear.
VII. The Historical Nerve of the Session: A Crisis Not of Ideologies, but of Ways of Desiring
The central conflict of the session is a crisis of the very act of desiring. Modern man has unlearned how to desire in such a way that desire creates. The ladder described here is especially relevant not for 'esotericists', but for a civilization of emotional exhaustion.
Conclusion: The Ladder Begins Not in Heaven, but in the Way of Looking at Another
The new thing this session provides, in comparison with the Sinai tradition, is this: the spiritual level of a person is determined not by the strength of their experiences, not by the scope of their ideas, and not by the grandeur of their role, but by what they do with their own lack.
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The Spiritual Architecture of the Session
Before us is not just a conversation about 'spirits', but a psycho-spiritual map of experience in which human consciousness is described as a multi-layered system of transitions, tensions, and self-regulation. The numerical organization of the material — 1-24 — shows that the session is structured as an ascent through degrees of perception, where each level does not cancel the previous one, but transforms it.
Psychology of the Levels
The strongest motif in the text is the idea that spirituality is not automatically equivalent to 'height', but requires a discernment of the quality of the state. The levels appear not as a ladder of pride, but as a sequence of existential modes: from more instinctive and reactive to more reflexive, associated with self-observation, choice, and responsibility. This brings the material closer to developmental psychology but retains its metaphysical vertical.
The Figure of Will
One of the central meanings here is will, not in a coarse-volitional sense, but in an ontological sense: will as the ability to maintain the direction of consciousness without dissolving in alien influences. In this text, will is not identical to control; it is closer to collectedness, to inner consent to the path, even if the path passes through uncertainty.
Fear and Purification
The theme of fear in the session is not reducible to a negative emotion; fear acts as an indicator of the boundary where the old 'self' loses its habitual control. Fear can be both truthful and parasitic. Therefore, spiritual maturity here is associated not with the elimination of fear, but with the ability not to take fear as the final truth about reality.
Discernment of Spirits
If we consider the text in a phenomenological key, its main operation is not asserting 'who exactly is speaking', but discerning the quality of the source. The logic of verification constantly emerges in the material: where does this come from, does it bring clarity, does it strengthen freedom, does it lead to responsibility. This makes the session not just spiritistic, but ethically oriented.
The Ethical Dimension
The session's material persistently links knowledge with ethics. Where the desire for power, exclusivity, or possession of a secret appears, the spiritual content begins to distort. The question ultimately sounds not like 'what was revealed?', but 'what kind of person am I becoming because of this?'.
Final Understanding
Overall, the session can be defined as an experience of extremely intense self-knowledge, where the spiritual and psychological planes are not separated. Its main meaning lies in the affirmation that a person grows not from the power of impressions, but from the quality of discernment. The spiritual world is valuable not because it 'shows the unusual', but because it forces the personality to become more collected, responsible, and truthful towards itself.
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Memory that Wants to Become Human: A Foundational Spiritual-Psychological Study of the Session on 24 Levels of Consciousness
Introduction: Not a Ladder Upwards, but a Depth Inwards
If you listen carefully to the very fabric of the dialogue, you can see that the real theme is not the classification of spirits at all, but the problem of memory. A person in this system does not just develop. They gradually remember themselves. Each subsequent level is not the acquisition of a new essence, but the removal of another layer of forgetting. In this sense, the entire cosmology turns into a psychology of recollection.
I. Forgetting as the Original Source of Spiritual Poverty
The hidden logic of this session suggests a different foundation: the main tragedy is that the spirit forgets its own nature. The consumer is not the one who loves things. The consumer is the one who has forgotten that they themselves can be a source. Every dependency becomes an attempt to restore a lost identity through the external world.
II. The Paradox of Inner Amnesia
Interestingly, the Higher Self in the session never disappears. The connection exists constantly. Therefore, the break occurs not between the person and the Higher Self, but within the person's own perception. The spirit knows. The personality does not remember that it knows. Hence the strange feeling many mystics describe: 'I did not learn something new. I remembered what I had forgotten.'
III. Creation as the Return of Authorship
Creation is distinguished not by the quantity of what is produced. The creator reclaims authorship of their own existence. Most people experience life as something happening to them. The creator begins to experience life as something happening through them.
IV. The Great Illusion of Evaluation
If a person begins to measure themselves by numbers, they inadvertently return to the very consumer thinking they are trying to overcome. They begin to 'consume spirituality'. The paradox is that the ladder exists precisely so that one day it can cease to be a ladder. The highest meaning of the levels is for the person to stop needing their existence.
V. Why the Creator Ceases to be the Main Character of Their Own Story
The higher consciousness develops, the less it is occupied with its own exclusivity. Not because it becomes humbler, but because the center of attention shifts. The creator becomes less interested in their own biography and more interested in the space that arises between people.
VI. The Psychology of Inner Abundance
The creator acts not because they are obligated, and not because they deserve a reward. They act because there is already something inside spilling over. True service turns out to be not self-sacrifice, but a way of circulating accumulated light.
VII. A New Model of Freedom
Freedom is not the ability to choose. The free person is the one who is no longer defined by their own expectations. True freedom begins not with expanding possibilities. It begins at the moment when inner existence ceases to need guarantees.
VIII. The Great Silence of the Higher Self
The Higher Self never imposes itself. It does not intervene by force. It does not shout over the noise of the personality. It patiently waits until the person becomes capable of hearing. Spiritual maturity requires not increasing the number of revelations, but decreasing internal noise.
IX. Time as the Ripening of Perception
Evolution ceases to be movement along a calendar. One can live eighty years and remain a prisoner of the first mode of perception. One can completely change one's attitude towards the world in a few months. Spiritual time is measured not by years, but by the number of illusions overcome.
X. The Most Unexpected Thought of the Session
Perhaps the deepest discovery is that the entire world turns out to be a vast system for learning how to be a source. The ultimate goal becomes not perfection, but transparency — a state where the person is almost invisible, and only the stream of life passing through them is visible.
Conclusion: Man as the Place Where the Universe Remembers Itself
If we consider this session as a genuine spiritual revelation, its main meaning is a new anthropology. Man is the special point in the universe where the universe itself tries to restore memory of its own nature.
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The Ladder of Inner Acoustics: Anthropology of Trust, Metaphysics of Silence, and the Paradox of 'Duty'
Introduction: From Cartography to Phenomenology
Most existing esoteric systems offer us a map. However, this dialogue takes a step beyond cartography, moving into the phenomenology of experience. This study focuses on three fundamental pillars hidden within the text: the anthropology of inner hearing, the metaphysics of silence, and the ethics of trust as the only bridge to the transcendent.
I. Anthropology of Inner Hearing: The Epistemology of Silence
The central discovery of the text is the nature of the connection with the Higher Self: 'The connection is never disconnected.' This radical claim overturns the idea of spiritual search as a 'search for lost contact'. The tragedy of modern man, according to this model, lies not in the absence of God, but in the 'noisiness' of his own ego. Spiritual evolution is a process of clearing the acoustic field.
II. Metaphysics of Silence: The Distinction Between Emotion and Feeling as a Criterion of Ontology
The most powerful, revolutionary idea of the entire session is the clear distinction between emotion and feeling. Emotion is a weather phenomenon of the soul. Feeling is the climate. Jesus driving out the money changers demonstrates precisely this model: the emotion was present, the action was taken, but the heart remained pure. This shifts spirituality from the plane of morality ('don't do bad things') to the plane of existential hygiene ('watch what you allow to take root inside').
III. Ethics of Trust: The Paradox of 'Duty' and the Aporia of Proof
The consumer's position is described as a structure of expectation: 'The world owes me.' This is a position of infantile omnipotence. In contrast, the creator's position is based on trust and action. But the key point is that trust here acts as an epistemological condition. 'If there is no trust... the Higher Self may not answer.' This is the classic aporia of William James' 'Will to Believe': proof before faith. The text offers a solution: trust is not a consequence of evidence, it is a prerequisite for the existence of evidence itself.
IV. Historical and Social Ontology: The Individual vs. The Abstraction
Archangel Michael states: 'A country does not have a single goal... There are goals of different people.' This is a strong form of methodological individualism applied to the spiritual sphere. Any ideology that allows sacrificing a part for the whole (where the 'whole' is an abstract construct) automatically falls into the category of the 'world of consumption'.
V. Conclusion: The Ladder as a Practice of Attention
The levels are not places, but states of attention. Evolution is not moving up a career ladder, but deepening inward. The Higher Self is a mirror of trust. The ancient monk and Archangel Michael speak the same language: the exit from hell begins not with victory over demons outside, but with the cessation of war with oneself inside.
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'Anthropology of Response: How the Spirit Becomes Capable of Hearing Reality'
Introduction: Why This Session is Not About a Ladder, But About the Ability to Respond
If we read the transcript not as an esoteric map, but as an anthropological document, it becomes clear: Archangel Michael describes not '24 levels', but 24 ways of responding to reality. Not levels, but modes of perception. Not cosmology, but a psychology of resonance. The key is in the transcript: 'We do not measure levels, we feel them.' Spiritual evolution is not moving upwards, but changing sensitivity.
I. Consumption as a Loss of the Ability to Respond
In the session, consumption is described not as greed, but as a distorted way of hearing the world: 'A person considers themselves an object that the surrounding world... should make happy.' The consumer is not the one who takes. The consumer is the one who does not hear. Consumption is deafness, not greed.
II. Creation as the Restoration of Hearing
The creator is not an altruist. The creator is the one who hears again. 'Creation is when a Spirit no longer expects love and understanding, but manifests them itself.' Creation is not an action. It is a way of being in the world. The creator listens, discerns, responds.
III. Emotion and Feeling: Two Types of Internal Sound
The most important distinction of the session: 'An emotion... if not let into the heart, does not change the level. Only feelings [have an impact].' This is not morality. This is the ontology of inner sound. Emotion is noise. Feeling is resonance. Jesus 'was indignant in the temple,' but 'He did not let the emotion into His heart.' The spiritual level is determined not by what a person feels, but by what they allow to resonate inside them for a long time.
IV. The Ladder as a Map of the Expanding Range of Perception
Levels 1-6: Deafness to light.
Levels 7-8: Selective hearing (values subtle worlds, deaf to dense).
Levels 9-12: Learning to distinguish (Student, Warrior, Consumer, Builder).
Levels 13-16: Refinement of hearing (Aesthete hears beauty of idea, Researcher patterns, Inventor possibilities, Seeker meaning).
Levels 17-24: Ability to hear others (Angels hear not themselves, but the world).
V. The Higher Self as an Ideal Resonator
'The connection with the Higher Self is never disconnected.' 'If there is no trust... the Higher Self may not answer.' This is a paradox: the channel always works, but only the one who trusts hears. Trust is not faith. Trust is the removal of internal noise.
VI. Historical Conclusion: Civilizations Differ Not by Technology, But by the Ability to Hear
When Archangel Michael says '20% creation, 80% consumption,' he is describing not a moral crisis, but an acoustic one. A civilization where most people live in 'the world owes me' mode is a civilization where no one hears anyone else.
VII. Main Conclusion: Spiritual Growth is Not a Path Upwards, But a Path to Hearability
Spirituality is not strength, not purity, not knowledge. It is the ability to hear reality as it is and respond to it without fear, without demand, without illusions.
Conclusion: Man is an Instrument Learning to Sound
The session shows that man is an instrument learning to sound in unison with reality. When a person stops demanding that the world play for them, and begins to hear how the world sounds on its own, then creation begins.
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Source: https://blog.cassiopeia.center/duhovnyj-mir-24-urovnya-opisanie-duhov-potrebitel
Cassiopeia #622 THE SPIRITUAL WORLD: 24 levels, description of Spirits. Consumer – creator. Feelings – emotions. Higher Self, Angels.
00:00 Start of video.
00:19 Conference excerpts.
“…The perception of certain levels is unified not only for manvantaras, but for the universe as a whole, for the universe as the totality of both the material and Spiritual worlds…”
“…What you call the ’24 levels according to the Interstellar Union’s classification’, someone calls 60 levels, someone calls only 2 levels. This is a constant for you yourselves. We also use them, but we use them in contacts with you. We ourselves call them not ‘levels’, we call them ‘types of Spirits’…”
01:37 Introduction of conference participants.
Irina: Hello, dear friends! My name is Irina Podzorova. I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, subtle-material worlds, and the Spiritual world. Today our topic is “The Life of Non-Incarnate Spirits”, and I decided to invite Archangel Michael, who is the curator of planet Earth. He is not incarnated now, and he is not only the curator of Earth, but also the curator of many people. He has many contactees, and he loves to convey information to earthlings on spiritual topics. I believe he can tell us well about the world of non-incarnate Spirits. Also with us today is Elena.
Elena: Hello! I welcome the esteemed spiritual curator of our planet, Archangel Michael, and our highly professional contactee-translator from extraterrestrial alien languages, Irina!
Irina: Thank you.
Elena: I thank you both for providing the opportunity to discuss such an important and pressing topic for all earthlings as the worlds of non-incarnate Spirits.
Irina: Alright, thank you!
(Archangel Michael): I greet everyone! I greet Elena, I greet Irina, I greet all the viewers, and send you the Light of my Love and peace in your hearts!
(Irina) Alright, thank you! We can begin.
Elena: Thank you.
03:22 Spiritual levels, their essence.
Elena: The world of non-incarnate Spirits – for us, it is the sixth dimension according to the Interstellar Union's data, and it is located between the astral world and the Divine. We believe that this is a single spiritual sphere in which disincarnate Spirits of all 59 levels of density, both dense-material and subtle-material worlds, reside and prepare for new incarnations.
May we proceed with the questions, esteemed Archangel Michael?
Irina: Of course.
Elena: My first question is this: Are the 24 levels of the world of non-incarnate Spirits a constant for our Universe during the current manvantara, or can the number of these levels change in intermediate time cycles? And if so, for what reason?
Irina (Archangel Michael): You just said yourself that this is the perception of the scientists of the Interstellar Union, and other civilizations and other levels of density may have a different gradation. The gradation itself is developed by certain scientists, specifically incarnate Spirits, because numbers themselves are the embodiment of material energies. Do you understand what I'm saying?
Elena: Yes, I understand, but since these 24 levels figure in the structure of the world of non-incarnate Spirits, could you provide some details?
Irina (Archangel Michael): In your question, did you mean whether the number of these levels changes for the Interstellar Union?
Elena: Not only that. If it's a constant for the Galaxy, maybe if not for the Universe, then…
Irina (Archangel Michael): This is not a constant of the Spiritual world, this is a constant of perception.
Elena: That's interesting!
Irina (Archangel Michael): It is the perception of specific energetic parameters, certain characteristics of the Spiritual world, through the perception of incarnate Spirits. And, of course, we know about these gradations, we know about these differences. But I want to say that the differences in vibrations, for example, from the 1st to the 2nd level or from the 23rd to the 24th level, are manifested precisely in perception. And these very types of perception perceive the Spiritual world, which is unified for us, in this way. Numbers are assigned to specific areas of the Spiritual world only for the convenience of perception and thinking. To be able to talk about them, they need to be named somehow, you understand?
Elena: Yes, I understand, but it complicates the topics of our questions a bit.
Irina (Archangel Michael): The perceptions of certain levels are generally unified not only for manvantaras, they are unified for the universe as a whole, for the universe as the totality of both the material and Spiritual worlds. What you call the ‘24 levels according to the Interstellar Union’s classification’, someone calls 60 levels, someone calls only two levels. This is a constant for you yourselves. We also use them, but we use them in contacts with you, but we ourselves call this not ‘levels’, we call it – ‘types of Spirits’.
07:45 Principles of dividing the ‘levels’.
Elena: Okay, I will try to use the terminology voiced by Archangel Michael. Because the next question is related to the principle that the representatives of the Interstellar Union used as the basis for dividing the levels of the world of non-incarnate Spirits. After all, they probably understood that we were talking about a certain level of spiritual vibrations, certain spiritual qualities present at these levels for the Spirits located there.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Those who described these levels were contactees with the Spiritual world who felt certain vibrations: one vibration for them was one level, another vibration for them was another level. And they designated them with numbers, and then, when conveying to the contactee, they named them not with words from alien languages, but with earthly words that were in her memory.
Elena: In any case, it turns out that some principle in the form of vibration or spiritual qualities does exist at these, conditionally speaking, ‘levels’, as stated in the structure of the Interstellar Union. But in the Spiritual worlds, there are no units of measurement for these levels in the parameters accepted for dense worlds.
Irina (Archangel Michael): We do not measure, we feel it.
Elena: Yes, I understand.
09:43 Spirits ‘consumers’ and ‘creators’.
Elena: But what should we do in this case? Because, for example, the world of non-incarnate Spirits is conventionally represented by names such as ‘worlds of consumption’ and ‘worlds of creation’. That is, within these 24 worlds, conventionally speaking, they are divided in half: levels 1 to 12 are the worlds of consumption, and levels 13 to 24 are the worlds of creation.
I would then like to know, since the contactees learned and communicated with representatives of the Spiritual worlds, what spiritual meaning did they attach to their names – consumption and creation? Could Archangel Michael clarify this point for us? After all, it’s probably not accidental that they decided to present the structure of the world of non-incarnate Spirits in this way in the dense worlds.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Do you perfectly understand what consumption is and what creation is?
Elena: What is the spiritual meaning?
Irina (Archangel Michael): The spiritual meaning of what?
Elena: The spiritual meaning of the worlds of consumption – is that the consumption we understand today as more of a market term, I would say? And the worlds of creation – can we think that these are structures that, at any level, use some kind of creative potential and constantly create something?
Irina (Archangel Michael): These are different levels of awareness, one might say. What you call the worlds of consumption is the level of awareness where a rational Spirit considers itself separate from the Creator and consumes what others have produced. It is a certain aspiration to use the energy of others, and this aspiration prevails over the aspiration to create for others. That is, it is a certain level of awareness, a certain level of consciousness. Do you understand what I'm saying?
Elena: Yes. Related in the first case to a certain human ego, when one is tuned to a certain…
Irina (Archangel Michael): The ego is a consequence. I am now speaking about a certain consciousness, that is, about the perception of oneself and the surrounding world. When a person, an incarnate Spirit… Let’s talk about a person to make it understandable. When a person tunes himself in a certain way to the perception of the surrounding world and himself, and considers himself a consumer, that is, an object that the surrounding world, other people, and God himself should make happy. And he considers himself a consumer of this happiness and an evaluator of how well all other elements of the world perform the work he assigned to them.
Elena: Well, not bad. The concept is not bad.
Irina: What do you think of that? (laughs)
Elena: What? This is very close to what is happening in our society.
Irina: Imagine: a person who expects something from the world.
Elena: Archangel Michael said that most Souls on Earth belong to this category.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Of course, naturally, that is why you have less social justice and peace among nations and people on Earth than could be the case if it were the opposite.
Elena: Yes, probably, unfortunately, if we take that percentage ratio, rather than the levels.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Imagine two people. If both of them are at the same level of consumer consciousness, they will expect from each other that the other should do something for them. And as a result, they will not fit each other’s ideals, which they invented and created with their imagination. After all, their imagination works on the premise that the whole world exists to give them happiness and pleasure. Not that they exist to create it for themselves and share it with others, but the opposite.
(Irina) What do you feel?
Elena: I feel what I already said about this – that our earthly, human worlds, of course, can be described in these terms, because the awareness is such that someone always owes someone something.
Irina (Archangel Michael): And further – it is not only ‘owes’, it is also an evaluation. Here there is an evaluation of how well the world is fulfilling what I have placed upon it. And then there is a distortion of thinking, an illusion that since I have placed the responsibility to make me happy, to love me, then I have placed it on everyone I meet in the world, and even on God. They should know about this, even if I didn't say it, it's self-evident.
Elena: Well, yes.
Irina: What do you say? (laughs) Well, are there such people?
Elena: Of course, there are all kinds of people.
Irina (Archangel Michael): The majority are like that, because if there were creation, you would create for each other, you wouldn’t expect some kind of understanding and Love, but would manifest them yourselves.
Elena: And how would Archangel Michael, if possible, assess in percentage terms the worlds of consumption and the worlds of creation on planet Earth? What is their percentage ratio?
Irina (Archangel Michael): At the moment, roughly 20% to 80%: creation – 20, consumption – 80.
Elena: Very impressive figures indeed.
Irina (Archangel Michael): This is meant overall.
Elena: Yes, I understand.
Irina (Archangel Michael): And if it were the opposite, you would be completely different.
Elena: We would have joined the Interstellar Union, I suppose.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Can you imagine a society where everyone thinks only about how to create happiness for themselves and others?!
Elena: Archangel Michael, I can imagine what a difficult task you have, as a spiritual curator, to restructure this entire system of our consciousness is extremely difficult.
Irina (Archangel Michael): I understand the reasons for this state of consciousness. These reasons lie in the hearts of these people. This choice, which was made by these people – to be at such a level of awareness – is connected primarily with their blocks, with their negative feelings, emotions, with their distrust of God, of themselves, and lack of love.
Elena: How did they, interestingly, get here? 80 percent, good heavens! As if they were attracted like bees to honey.
Irina (Archangel Michael): It happens that a Spirit incarnates from the world of creation, that is, from a high spiritual level, but here descends in vibrations, such a thing is also observed.
Elena: I have a question for Archangel Michael a little later, if you will.
18:48 The first twelve spiritual levels – the path of spiritual evolution.
Elena: Can I ask something else about these worlds? Look, Archangel Michael: the worlds of consumption include, conditionally, almost 12 levels, and there, in turn, representatives of the Interstellar Union included evil Spirits, Nature Spirits, and middle Spirits. But about evil ones, with your help and with the help of contactees from dense-material worlds – Burhad, etc. – who conducted conferences with Irina. And in some of them (I'll specifically mention the numbers) – 165, 178, and live broadcasts with non-incarnate Spirits of a number of historical figures, including from our country – we got some idea of what it might be. If Stalin turned out to be an Archon, Lenin a demon, and Yeltsin a devil. In the end, people probably have made some comparisons in their minds. But still, the word ‘evil’ – what basic qualities, desires, and feelings distinguish the inhabitants of these worlds? Could you clarify something on this topic?
Irina (Archangel Michael): Further, you see that creation and consumption are also not homogeneous. The amount of this energy in the spiritual heart can be different, both for those who live in the world of consumption and for those who live in the world of creation. The Spirits in these worlds are also all different: those called levels 1 to 12 – evil, natural, middle – this is a specific path, it's like a ladder. This is the path of spiritual evolution.
The very first level (points to a point) – the starting point of the path, which is at a level characterized by a complete denial of creation, Love, and happiness. After all, why do you want to create? Because you feel the strength within yourself to do it. Right?
Elena: Yes, but…
Irina (Archangel Michael): And strength, inspiration, creativity come only when you love, and when you are happy, and when you are in harmony, peace, and tranquility. When all this is absent, then, accordingly, there is no creation from you. And since the Spirit has an inherent ability, or rather, a need to be happy (since God himself is absolutely happy, and therefore into each of His particles born from Him, He placed the need for happiness), this transforms into a striving for happiness. Accordingly, if this is not within the Spirit, it begins to seek it externally and becomes a consumer.
And for it to become a creator again, like God… God requires nothing from us, and He is the great Creator, the Maker, and He does not await anyone's approval, anyone's Love, He is absolutely independent and at the same time loves everyone because He is happy. To return this state within oneself, a path of evolution is needed, which has been described as levels 1 through 12. This is a certain level where the Spirit goes through its lessons, that is, life circumstances in which it begins to realize its Light, its inner Light, which was always within it. To realize means to manifest it, develop it, and raise its level.
And movement in the opposite direction is also possible – when degradation occurs, what we call ‘growth in the reverse direction’, that is, not towards the Light, but towards its absence, towards what we call darkness. Darkness exists as the absence of Light. If you look, for example, into space, you will see that there are stars, they shine, and around them is darkness. But where a star exists, there is no darkness next to it. And if we turn away from the star and go to another place in space – there will be darkness, because the light of the star has not reached there. Do you understand?
Elena: Yes, I understand.
24:51 Consumption disguised as creation.
Elena: May I clarify one more point, esteemed Archangel Michael? The fact is that, for example, such a historical figure as Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, I don’t know if we can talk about him being such an ardent consumer, it seems to me that he most likely had both qualities – both this and that. To a lesser extent, I think, consumption relates to these twelve levels, but to a greater extent, these are still examples of creation, as it seems to me.
Irina (Archangel Michael): The creation of some material wealth by causing suffering and the disincarnation of people – that is consuming their lives for one's own purposes.
Elena: It seems to me that he acted not only for his own purposes, but for the purposes of a specific country.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Since he took them for his own use, they were already his goals. He carried them out of his own will, he took them upon himself independently, and therefore these goals were also his own goals as a person. A country does not have a single goal, because it is not a single personality. There are goals of different people in this country. Do you understand?
Elena: Yes, it seems to me that a person is not so unambiguous in their evolutionary development: there is both bad and good in them. What outweighs, probably, subsequently determines the level they can reach.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Yes, but the level is valid at the moment of disincarnation.
Elena: Yes, at the moment of disincarnation. That's why I think we don't understand the nuances associated with the spiritual vibrations of specific leaders of specific countries.
Irina (Archangel Michael): What don't you understand? If you don't understand, ask, I'll explain.
26:59 Goals of the country and goals of the individual.
Elena: For example, you have already tried to explain to me that the interests of the country and the interests of the individual who ruled that country somehow smoothly transferred to the side of the individual, and thus…
Irina (Archangel Michael): And does the country consist of individuals?
Elena: Yes, of individuals, of specific individuals.
Irina (Archangel Michael): How can the goals of a country, which consists of individuals, contradict the existence in space and time of those individuals who make up that country?
Elena: Here too, probably, not everything is so clear-cut. Some things people shared, some things they didn't understand, some things they didn't accept, and some things they did…
Irina (Archangel Michael): That very lack of understanding and non-acceptance is their level of awareness, their level of perception.
Elena: But what can be done? They, their Souls, made the decision to incarnate at this time, in this place, and experience some suffering that was probably present in their development vectors.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Your question was about the level, right?
Elena: Yes.
Irina (Archangel Michael): I am answering about the level. Naturally, they chose this level themselves.
Elena: But it's not so simple to understand, esteemed Archangel Michael, that they ended up in the sphere of, so to speak, the lower worlds precisely because their desires to do something for the people ultimately resulted in such qualities that…
Irina (Archangel Michael): But in their consciousness, they divided the entire people into specific individuals, and they had the conviction that for the sake of some people, it was necessary to sacrifice the lives of other people. And this was already a distortion – that they did not recognize the lives of all as equal. And if they did not recognize the lives and health of all individuals as equal, this already indicates that they were not impartial, that is, they set certain of their own goals as the goals of their country. If they merely adhered to the goals of their country, they would achieve that goal for all individuals in their country, not for some.
Elena: Okay. I am picking up on some nuances, but it requires reflection. Thank you, Archangel Michael.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Let me give you an example. When you want your country to prosper, naturally, you put forward a certain ideology that can lead that country to prosperity. Because ideology is a system of worldview, a system of ideals that need to be believed in. Without faith in something, in some higher ideal, happiness and Love are impossible for a person, as he will simply slide into instinctive behavior. Do you understand?
Elena: Yes, I agree.
Irina (Archangel Michael): And if you come at a time when some ideals have been replaced by others in your country, then you will treat people who adhere to ideals different from the ones you want the same way as everyone else. You will not try to take away their life or freedom for not believing in your ideals. You will try to create for them such a society, such conditions, such laws, especially if you are in power, so that they themselves will believe in your ideal.
Elena: I think that today on our planet, esteemed Archangel Michael, our great spiritual curator, this is probably still a completely unrealizable plan, because what we observe in the world on the part of rulers is...
Irina (Archangel Michael): But this is not the highest level of spiritual development yet, it's intermediate.
Elena: Yes, not the highest, yes.
31:33 The world of Nature Spirits.
Elena: May I ask about Nature Spirits? How did they end up in the consumption system in this structure of the universe?
Irina (Archangel Michael): These are not Nature Spirits; Nature Spirits are already incarnate.
Elena: I mean in the world of non-incarnate Spirits, this level – the world of Nature Spirits.
Irina (Archangel Michael): In the world of non-incarnate Spirits, these are not Nature Spirits. These are certain Spirits that are at such a level of awareness that they value subtle worlds more than dense ones. And if they do not value dense worlds, this just indicates that they do not accept Divine reality and Divine energies as they are. And, accordingly, their consumption consists of them expecting from the dense world that it will become for them as pleasure-giving as those subtle worlds in which they lived before.
Elena: Not a very precise formulation, I would say. Because you are now clarifying for us, and it turns out that it's about something else.
Irina (Archangel Michael): It was simply stated there that they often incarnated in plasmoid worlds, and this is indeed often the case. But it also happens that Spirits who last incarnated precisely in the dense world end up at this level, simply because they have reached such a level of consciousness that they did not appreciate this world.
Elena: I see, I see, there is work to be done.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Why such terms? Because those who compiled this table meant not all plasmoids, not all Nature Spirits, but only those among them who had some negativity, contempt, for the dense world.
Elena: I see, there are their own misconceptions here, yes.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Such exist, of course, but not all of them.
Elena: That's good to hear.
33:53 Middle Spirits – Students, Warriors, Consumers, Builders.
Elena: But our ‘dearly beloved’ world of middle Spirits, which occupies the niche from the 9th to the 12th level, contains the so-called levels of Students, Warriors, Consumers, and Builders. This is all a bit abstract. Could Archangel Michael clarify something?
Irina (Archangel Michael): These are images of specific social groups specifically in your earthly world, because, naturally, in the languages of the Interstellar Union there are other names, they were named this way through the contactee.
Elena: Okay, Students – who are they? How should we understand them?
Irina (Archangel Michael): There are specific clarifications in the table about what this level means.
Elena: No, there are no clarifications. Unfortunately, I have a brief version, perhaps there is.
Irina (Archangel Michael): In that table, they did convey what this level means.
Elena: But briefly, very briefly.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Briefly, because the essence is conveyed there. And if something is unclear in these words, you can ask, I will explain in more detail.
35:10 Students.
Elena: Okay, Students – are they those who gain some experience?
Irina (Archangel Michael): No, it wasn't stated like that.
Elena: Always ready to learn something, to gain some new knowledge so that later, so to speak, they become educated?
Irina (Archangel Michael): The level of Students. Imagine a student. Their essence is to learn. And what can a Spirit learn here? At the Student level, its tasks, its level of awareness, consist of it learning, through its own experience, moral norms: what is good for it and what is bad for it.
Elena: Yes, it hasn't realized it yet until level 9, great!
Irina (Archangel Michael): There is already a transition. The eighth level – the level of the Jinn – consists of the Spirit having condemned the dense-material world or its own body, for example. Some part of the material world. But at the same time, unlike the 7th level, it possesses greater willpower, greater organization of thinking, and greater tolerance, I would say, for certain things that previously greatly irritated it at the 7th level.
Here, each level needs to be viewed in conjunction with others. That is, the 8th level is a certain condemnation. And the 9th level is the beginning of the world of middle Spirits, an entry into the world where you no longer judge, according to your own internal laws, according to your own ideals, the world you see. But you begin to study the laws that God has – what is good for Him and what is bad for Him. Again, this is conditional – what is good, what is bad, that is, what is Light and what is Darkness.
Elena: Yes, I understand.
Irina (Archangel Michael): And how can you study this? Do you think you already know everything? You can only learn from your own experience, that is, by making the mistakes that occur during your life. For example, when choosing a certain path, you want to follow it to the end. And if you are given advice that this path leads to negativity, to destructiveness, to disintegration, you have a desire to insist on your own. This is a state of consciousness where the Spirit does not want to listen to anyone's advice, but wants to learn for itself what is good and what is bad.
Elena: Yes, to learn from its own mistakes.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Yes. Do you understand what this level of consciousness is?
Elena: Yes, I'm beginning to understand. I just can't devote much time to this, Archangel Michael.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Simply put, the 8th is condemnation, and the 9th is when the Spirit stops condemning and begins to study.
Elena: Excellent.
39:25 Warriors.
Elena: And who are the Warriors?
Irina (Archangel Michael): Warriors are the next level. This is when the Spirit has already studied some laws of Light and Darkness, a large number of laws it has already studied, but has endowed itself with a specific mission to fight for the Light. And because of this struggle, it cannot go further, because it again activates condemnation, but not of the world, but of specific individuals with whom it begins to fight. It told itself that Light is justice, and it begins to defend it. And all this prevents it from going higher, because it does not accept many things in the world.
Elena: I understand how the militancy manifests.
Irina (Archangel Michael): That's what it's called, that is, the Student became a Warrior.
40:33 Consumers.
Elena: And next is a completely mysterious word – Consumers, level 11. Here I am somehow…
Irina (Archangel Michael): A Consumer is someone who has already had enough of fighting, one might say, who has already put down their weapons and started accumulating material wealth or certain abilities, that is, something material, certain benefits. And they have already understood the meaninglessness of fighting with someone who disagrees with their concept of justice, and have begun to enjoy this world. They have already turned on such an emotion as joy, albeit for now from consumption.
Elena: But they consume joyfully.
Irina (Archangel Michael): But it is joy, yes. Why are they at the 11th? Why does this prevent them from going further? Because, by consuming, they develop certain abilities for consumption, and they develop a certain level of joy from what they possess. But because they are constantly in a state of either pleasure or the search for new pleasure, the receptors of their body (regardless of its density) get used to this level of pleasure, you understand? And further, when they are at this level, they no longer feel the same joy as when they started there, and they develop a fear of losing this joy, and therefore of losing material wealth.
And then because of this fear and because of the decrease in this joy, they develop qualities such as greed, avarice, and the selfishness of consumption begins. This is a level like ‘I have everything, I won't take anything from anyone, but I won't give anything of mine to anyone either’. This is protecting one's own, and from this, materialism and greed can develop. And they are no longer fighting; they have much less aggression than at the 10th level, but something else manifests.
Elena: Understood.
43:28 Builders.
Elena: The 12th level is absolutely brilliant, because it is called ‘Builders’, also a very capacious concept.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Builders are not only those who build houses; they build the material world.
Elena: This is some aspect, after all, closer to creation.
Irina (Archangel Michael): This is already a level where the consumer begins to derive joy not only from consumption, but also from building, creating something, albeit for now the creation of material things, things he can see, touch, etc. – things that are understandable to him.
Elena: A transitional period, so to speak.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Yes, the Builder is the middle level, there are 24 levels total, this is the middle.
44:22 Middle Spirits of creation – Aesthetes, Researchers, Inventors, Seekers.
Elena: Archangel Michael, with your help we have reached the world of good Spirits. I also wanted to ask: what a soulful, fairytale name – from the 13th to the 24th, it directly evokes our ancient Russian fairy tales!
Irina (Archangel Michael): Actually, the world of good Spirits starts from the 17th!
Elena: From the 17th? It seems to me that the Angels start from the 17th. At least, according to the classification I see.
Irina (Archangel Michael): From the 9th to the 16th are middle Spirits, and then come the good ones.
Elena: There is a slight discrepancy here, since the Aesthetes, Researchers, Inventors, Seekers fell into the sub-cluster…
Irina (Archangel Michael): These are middle Spirits, they are in the world of creation, but they are still middle.
Elena: Okay, I called it a sub-cluster, but very interesting names: Aesthetes, Researchers, Inventors, Seekers – this is somehow even closer to the world of art and science.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Yes, these levels – 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th – are when Spirits begin, first, to enjoy certain non-material states. Not something like their wealth or food, or having good sex, etc., but specifically beauty, literature, art, that is, the non-material. Starting from the 13th level, the Spirit begins to look inside itself and notice its feelings, and name them, and enjoy them. A Spirit can do this at other levels too, but at the 13th level it does it often, and this is its main occupation at this level.
Elena: That is, this can already be attributed to a certain characteristic of the qualities that, conditionally speaking, are required at this level for the Spirit to experience pleasure and joy from the creative process, yes?
Irina (Archangel Michael): They just perceive the world differently. For example, if two people sit side by side, one from the 12th level and the other from the 13th, they will perform the same action, sit next to each other and, for example, watch a movie – and they will pay attention to different aspects of this movie. And therefore, they will like different movies. For instance, the one at the 12th level will look at the external, that is, how the movie is outwardly designed, how the actors play, what costumes they have, etc., he will look at that. And the one from the 13th level will enjoy the idea.
Elena: And I, on the contrary, thought that the first of them would look at a certain general area of a certain creation, which could also be attributed to the construction industry, while the aesthete would look at some taste preferences in interiors, in design, some colors.
Irina (Archangel Michael): They will both see all of it, but they will just look at it differently. The Builder will look at the interior and clothing as something expensive, while the Aesthete will look at it as something beautiful.
Elena: Yes, I understand, that is, this is already, in a certain sense, a spiritual refinement of the feelings of world perception.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Naturally, at the 13th level, the feelings will be the same as at the 12th, they will just develop, become more subtle, more turned inward.
Elena: Understood.
48:45 The world of good Spirits.
Elena: Archangel Michael, with your help we have now reached the world of completely good Spirits, which is called the eight-level Angelic world.
Irina (Archangel Michael): And then there are the Researchers, that's clear, yes?
Elena: Yes, that's clear. We discussed that issue – the levels of refined Souls engaged in art, science, and various such nuances. But now, regarding the world of Angels.
We have partially, with your help and the help of Archangel Metatron, learned something about Guardian Angels, Guide Angels, Consultant Angels, Arhats, and Devas. But we need more clarification from you regarding the Angels of Nature of the 17th level, the Angels-Prophets of the 19th level, and the Angels-Healers of the 22nd. Could you please tell us something about them, about their qualities, clarify? Very briefly, of course.
49:43 Angels of Nature.
Irina (Archangel Michael): The 17th level is the first angelic level, the transition from the 16th (shows). This is an Angel whose perception is directed towards serving God by helping in the creation and building of the material world. The Angels of Nature have such awareness that they specifically help with nature: the creation of elements, the souls of animals. They are Angels, but their perception is still directed towards the material world.
Elena: How interesting! I thought that they were a kind of consultants for representatives of subtle-material worlds who deal with the biospheres of planets.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Naturally, they are consultants for plasmoids, but they also contact humanoids and enter into contact with them. They themselves came from the world of middle Spirits, they raised their vibrations, and they now have more Love and happiness in their hearts, but their habits are still there, in the world of creation, in the world of material creation. They now go there with the angelic energies they have acquired.
Elena: Speaking of some real deeds they can influence through the appropriate structures they are connected with, this is presumably what we do on Earth, planting gardens, trees, creating some sources of water resources, what we try to do to protect our nature, clean it somehow, invent various approaches related to ensuring it functions in the best conditions so that we can enjoy this beautiful nature, which we sometimes treat, to put it mildly, badly.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Yes, they bring their Light precisely for the creation of the material world, the creation of elements, the creation of Souls, the creation of stars, etc. Their thoughts, their level of awareness is aimed at improving life in the material world.
Elena: Excellent.
52:41 Angels-Prophets.
Elena: And the Angels-Prophets, are they somehow tied to the corresponding spiritual teachers or avatars who came and are coming to Earth today, or not?
Irina (Archangel Michael): Angels-Prophets are Spirits whose level of consciousness is to enlighten, to bring Truth, to teach. They are teachers. They already have the aspiration to take upon themselves such a duty, responsibility, as teaching others, and teaching others not just some sciences, the study of the material world, but specifically the study of everything Divine, spiritual enlightenment.
53:35 Angels-Healers.
Elena: And as for the level of Angels-Healers, one can guess who they are by the name. Right? Is it correct that these are mentors of certain structures in the material worlds where Souls come that create some new technologies?
Irina (Archangel Michael): A Healer is not just a doctor. Healer comes from the word ‘whole’.
Elena: So, a spiritual aspect is present in this?
Irina (Archangel Michael): Yes. An Angel-Healer is a Spirit that is at such a level of awareness that allows it to choose to heal, that is, to make the damaged – undamaged, the non-whole – whole. This is a continuation of the service of the same Angel-Prophet, but now not only in teaching, but also in direct energetic healing. This is a greater involvement in the work of Light.
Elena: But do they perform some kind of methodological function in relation to other levels where an understanding of this healing is required?
Irina (Archangel Michael): Naturally, many Angels teach other Angels from lower levels.
55:13 The influence of the spiritual on the material, physical state of the body.
Irina (Archangel Michael): At least, one would like to think that with the help of these esteemed Angels-Healers, someday we, our medicine, will turn its attention to the spiritual level of a person's state, which truly affects the state of their organs and systems in the dense world. Because we have everything the opposite way: we try to look for the keys…
Irina (Archangel Michael): I know that on Earth this issue is actively being studied; there are such psychologists, such doctors, psychotherapists, scientists who specifically study the impact of thoughts and emotions on the body – you call it psychosomatics.
Elena: We have, I think, only one person in the country. She is a doctor by education, but she owns a diagnostic system that includes not only the diagnosis of the physical body but also the spiritual state of a person. There is such a person, Olga Petrovna Kuzmenko, and she has published works and this methodology. I don't know of any others.
Irina (Archangel Michael): I know that many people are now publishing research on the influence of the spiritual on the material, only they call it by scientific terms, not esoteric or religious, but scientific – such as psyche, complex, etc.
Elena: Her method is three-level; it allows diagnosing the physical body, psychosomatics, and then the spiritual level.
Irina (Archangel Michael): I am saying that among your doctors, earthly scientists, there are many people who study the influence of thoughts, emotions, feelings, desires on the body.
Elena: I wish there were more of them.
Irina (Archangel Michael): You can search for similar literature when you look on your internet resources. For example, search for words like ‘psychosomatics, scientific works’. I think the result will surprise you.
Elena: Okay. It would be good if, over time and after a fairly short waiting period, all this became part of the curriculum of medical universities, not only in our country but also in others.
Archangel Michael, may I proceed? May I?
Irina: Yes, yes.
58:05 Incarnations from the highest levels of the Spiritual World.
Elena: A Soul that comes into the material world from your Archangelic level with an accumulated potential of Divine qualities, does it always transfer them in a new incarnation into a being of an equally high level?
Irina: Always what?
Elena: Does it always transfer its accumulated Divine qualities during a new incarnation into a being of an equally high level?
Irina (Archangel Michael): Each Spirit, upon incarnation, decides for itself which qualities and which energies to bring with it.
Elena: Then I have the following question. Why do the Lords of Karma, even in the presence of free will, permit, as it seems to me, not such an efficient use of the high-vibrational energy potential of such Souls? Because if a Spirit decides to incarnate into some middle-level Soul or lower, then there is something in that…
Irina (Archangel Michael): What do you mean, ‘a Spirit decides to incarnate into middle levels’?
Elena: Yes, here it is, from the level of an Archangel, it suddenly adopts such an incarnation program. It seems to me, somehow it’s…
Irina (Archangel Michael): It then incarnates from the level of an Archangel.
Elena: This is very strange, that we talk about the evolution of Souls, and here an Archangel suddenly decides to incarnate somewhere below the lowest... How can that be?
Irina: What do you mean by ‘incarnate below the lowest’? Perhaps the question needs a little adjustment?
Elena: It is meant that with the qualities inherent in, say, an Archangel, his Soul decides to incarnate not into an equally high being – as a spiritual Teacher, Mentor, or spiritual leader of a people, etc. – but decides to participate in an incarnation program that is characteristic of Souls not of his level – not high, but middle or even low.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Social status doesn't matter. For the incarnation of an Archangel, what matters are the people who incarnate next to him and whom he can help. He does not choose to go into the material world again randomly, but to help in this material world, to explain certain spiritual truths to people in understandable terms.
Elena: So, his status should not be the status of a middle-level Spirit, it should be…
Irina (Archangel Michael): What do you mean by status? He incarnates with his status, but he can be born into any family.
Elena: If he has a high level of spiritual qualities, accordingly, his tasks in the dense worlds should be equally complex – he must bring Light, spirituality to this world, etc. And accordingly, his status should be such that people listen to him. That's what I think, maybe I'm wrong.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Look at the status of Christ and the apostles. And what conditions were they born into? They weren't born into a priest's or a king's family.
Elena: There are different versions, at least about Jesus, that He was the son of a person of royal level.
Irina (Archangel Michael): He himself said who His father was and who His mother was.
Elena: Yes, I know.
Irina (Archangel Michael): His father was a representative from the planet Burhad, but he didn't take Him to Burhad then, when He was a child; he left Him on Earth. He didn't take Him to Burhad so He could become a king there, that is, the ruler of Burhad, because He had a completely different mission.
Elena: Alright, okay. So, a Soul of a high level of development from the world of non-incarnate Spirits – it chooses its incarnation program itself, but overall, as I understand it, these Souls still unequivocally bring Light to our worlds.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Yes.
1:02:57 Learning to communicate with the Higher Self.
Elena: Then I have the following question. Archangel Michael, for what purpose does our Higher Self disconnect the direct connection of the Soul with it upon incarnation, and one must learn to do this?
Irina (Archangel Michael): The connection is not disconnected. Everyone has the connection turned on.
Elena: I mean the direct connection, without elements of learning. For example, to achieve this, one needs to go through a specific training methodology, which is what Irina is actually doing, or a conscious exit into the Astral.
Irina (Archangel Michael): You also need to learn to walk, you need to learn to write, because you have a body that you must train for certain activities.
Elena: Okay, if we had this connection, and it didn't require special training, then perhaps we would make fewer mistakes, even while at our incarnation level.
Irina (Archangel Michael): This is the task of the body – to learn to listen to its Soul. Do you understand what I'm saying?
When you come into the world, you have a certain body that has no memory of your past incarnations or the Spiritual world, including the Higher Self. This is so that it does not affect your adaptation to the world, and so that you listen to your parents, etc. That is, it is for your adaptation in this world when you are still a small child. If you remembered your life in the Spiritual world, and your specific experience of connection with your parents would not be as harmonious as you would like, it could greatly lower your vibrations.
Elena: When I spoke about telepathy, I didn't mean the memory of past lives; I meant direct telepathic connection with the Soul at the moment a person needs some advice.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Why not? Children also communicate with their Higher Selves; they can address them mentally.
Elena: Perhaps, since it is not given to them initially when they are still children, they don't even understand what they are dealing with…
Irina (Archangel Michael): The Higher Self also addresses them through the tools called ‘conscience’ and ‘intuition’. They also activate in children, and the Higher Self certainly addresses them.
Elena: Okay, I still haven't quite gotten an answer to the question of why it turns out that the direct connection is disconnected, but the indirect one exists, and it needs to be developed? Am I understanding correctly?
Irina (Archangel Michael): Perhaps you could explain what you mean by direct connection, so that we can give a correct answer?
Elena: I mean instantaneous access to the Higher Self.
Irina (Archangel Michael): And aren't conscience and intuition instantaneous?
Elena: But we may not always understand that this is a connection with the Higher Self. And there are nuances here: I think I'm talking to my Higher Self, but maybe I'm not talking to my Higher Self. These nuances still exist, it seems to me.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Do you mean the very name ‘Higher Self’?
Elena: Yes, instantaneous connection with one's own non-incarnate Spirit.
Irina (Archangel Michael): How would a child know that it is his Spirit and not his thoughts? He doesn't even know that word yet.
Elena: I'm not talking about a child, I'm talking about a conscious person who has already entered life.
Irina (Archangel Michael): If you are talking about a child, why the child doesn't retain the connection… But how can he call it the ‘non-incarnate part of the Spirit’ if his brain's memory does not yet have the words ‘incarnation’ or ‘Spirit’?
1:06:51 Connection with the Higher Self.
Elena: I'm not talking about a child, I'm talking about a Soul that already perceives itself in space and would like to receive sound advice.
Yes, through the concept of conscience, one can. Intuition? There are moments when it is difficult to assess who you are communicating with. That question: who made contact with you? Again, I return to the question of learning. Still, an adult person...
Irina (Archangel Michael): This is a question of trust! If you believe in yourself and address yourself, the answer will always come. You just need to want to ask questions of yourself and hear the answers from yourself. And when there is this desire, and there is trust, and the heart is open, then the answer will definitely come. But if there is no trust or no desire to follow the answer that comes, then yes, the Higher Self may not answer.
Elena: Everything is quite subtle and still requires some development. And, as Irina says, you still need to acquire some skills to feel that it is the Higher Self or someone else who has made contact.
Irina (Archangel Michael): You need skills for many things, even for walking, writing, speaking, communicating with someone else – not with the Higher Self, but with another person. For all this, you also need certain skills.
Elena: That's right, of course you do.
Irina (Archangel Michael): That is why there is a system of training in the material world, so that you can gain certain knowledge about the world, about yourself, about your body, and so that you can use this knowledge and fulfill your tasks. That is why schools exist, that is why teachers exist. And if you knew everything immediately, how to communicate with everything, then there would be no need to incarnate here at all; you could stay in the Spiritual world and know everything.
Elena: Okay, I understand.
1:09:22 Connection of the Higher Self with changes in the Soul's level.
Elena: Archangel Michael, now I would like to clarify a point regarding the Higher Self. During the incarnation of a certain part of it – the Soul, as we call it – the Soul's vibrations in the dense world are constantly changing, as experience is gained. And during this time, does the phantom of the Higher Self migrate through the levels of the world of non-incarnate Spirits in accordance with the vibrations of the Soul in the dense world? Or not? That is, at the moment when the part of the incarnate Spirit, or the Soul as we call it, lives a certain life in the dense world, does the phantom of the Higher Self also change?
Irina (Archangel Michael): You yourselves place that phantom there; this happens in less than an instant, if measured by the time of the material world. You simply imagine that the Spiritual world is a certain multi-story building with a huge number of floors, and that the path from one floor to another takes a certain amount of time. In reality, everything happens in that same moment.
Elena: I understand, but still, does this coordination exist between the incarnate part of the Spirit and the non-incarnate part?
Irina (Archangel Michael): Yes, of course.
Elena: That is, the Higher Self constantly tracks this state of the incarnate Spirit in the dense world? It tracks, and then the final movement of the Higher Self to the level where the Soul...
Irina (Archangel Michael): It is always in contact with you. You are part of it.
Elena: Okay, but it turns out that the final level at which the Higher Self and the disincarnate part of the Soul merge – this happens only once, after the completion of its stay in the astral world, right?
Irina (Archangel Michael): Merge means they regain their original integrity. But the connection, it doesn't go anywhere. Connection and integrity are simply two different states.
Elena: Okay.
1:11:52 Influence on the change of the Soul's spiritual level.
Elena: This experience – positive or negative, or negatively positive – that the incarnate Soul receives in the dense world, is it incorporated into the energy matrix of the Higher Self throughout the entire life of the person and, accordingly, reflected on it?
Irina (Archangel Michael): Not everything is reflected, not all experience, but only that which has penetrated the heart of the Soul.
Elena: I would say – the atmic plane; it all gets imprinted on the atmic plane, right?
Irina (Archangel Michael): Not the atmic, but the mental plane and everything above. That is, everything that happens on the physical, etheric, astral planes, all emotions, thoughts that are not in the mental body as fixed attitudes, but merely fleeting – they do not affect the level; they are your external energy shell.
Take Jesus Christ. He came and saw certain animals in the temple, and He was indignant. He also had a Soul, and He had emotions, and His energies of indignation, one might say, irritation – that was a specific emotion, it did not affect His level at all. Because it was only in His astral body; He did not let it into His heart, and it did not cause in Him contempt, hatred, resentment, or other feelings. For example, an emotion of anger or an emotion of fear, if they are not let into a person's heart, cannot change his level.
Elena: Okay, but if still…
Irina (Archangel Michael): The thing is, we distinguish between feelings and emotions. You think that if a person temporarily gets angry at someone or something, manifesting the energy of anger, or if they get scared because of a reaction of their self-preservation instinct or some other instinct, then that's it – they have fallen in level. No, it doesn't work that way. What is needed is a change in the heart. Feelings, desires, and instinctive programs are in the heart. But instinctive programs can lower the level only if they manifest incorrectly, that is, without harmony with the spiritual principle.
1:14:37 Help of the Higher Self to the Soul at different levels.
Elena: But if these are stable feelings and desires. Since the Higher Self constantly monitors the situation with its incarnate part, let's say a person had a period where he associated his feelings and desires precisely with his spiritual heart center and was, let's say, at the 10th level. But some time passed, something changed in his life, and a period began when he lowered his vibrations. So, if he asked a question and addressed the Higher Self first at the 10th level, then later at the 5th level, would the answer to the question he asked the Higher Self be identical or not?
Irina (Archangel Michael): Naturally, not identical. The Higher Self hasn't changed its opinion or its decision to raise its level. Only the form of presenting the information will change, because a person may have different spiritual problems at the 10th and 5th levels. Therefore, his answers may differ in that the recommendations on how to get out of them may be different.
Elena: In essence, will it be the same thing?
Irina (Archangel Michael): In essence, it will be moving forward, because since the Spirit agreed to incarnate, even if it's from the 1st level, if it agreed to incarnation, that's it – it's a voluntary decision. No one persuades anyone, and, accordingly, why did it decide to clothe itself in matter? To raise its level. And if it decided to raise its level, then the Higher Self is even more interested in raising its level than the person himself, than his incarnate part, because, unlike the person, it remembers why it got here.
Elena: Somehow, it's all complicated.
Irina: Why complicated?
Elena: It's complicated because this connection with the Higher Self occurs at certain stages of life, when a person truly forms some specific qualities in his spiritual heart that will definitely either raise him to a level or lower him. But he rises in his Spirit, then some problems lower him.
Irina (Archangel Michael): I don't understand the question. Formulate it correctly, clearly, and directly.
Elena: Will the Higher Self's answers to the same question from a person differ, if the Higher Self constantly monitors the situation with the incarnate Spirit?
Irina (Archangel Michael): If circumstances have changed, they may differ. Depending on the question.
Elena: If it all concerns, as we say, this spiritual heart center, something has changed there, accumulated.
Irina (Archangel Michael): How could it not differ? For example, if he asked once: ‘Do I have blocks?’ He had no blocks, and the Higher Self answered him: ‘No.’ And if they later appeared, how can it answer ‘no’ if he already has them?
Elena: Let's say he would like to ask whether he did the right thing in such and such a situation. And he asks this same question when he has formed and consolidated one quality, and he asks the same question when…
Irina (Archangel Michael): But that's a strange question: ‘Did I do the right thing?’
Elena: In such and such a situation.
Irina (Archangel Michael): You could ask – did you raise or lower your vibrations.
Elena: That too.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Of course, the answer will be the same, regardless of the level, because the Higher Self remembers everything.
Elena: Okay, I will think about it.
1:18:46 Creation of new races of humanoids.
Elena: Archangel Michael, please tell me, in which Spiritual or Divine worlds are there, I'll call them conditionally, mobilization reserves of Spirits for creating new races? In the Universe, for example, or in the Galaxy?
Irina (Archangel Michael): The question is unclear.
Elena: Are there at the disposal of the Spiritual or Divine worlds some kind of mobilization reserves of Spirits that participate in the creation of new races?
Irina (Archangel Michael): New races are not created by the Spiritual world; that is the business of the material world.
Elena: But the Spirits come from higher worlds. Besides the fact that subtle-material worlds participate here, the Spiritual worlds also participate, don't they?
Irina (Archangel Michael): The Spiritual worlds only send them for incarnation.
Elena: And who creates the prototype of the future incarnate Spirit?
Irina (Archangel Michael): It creates it itself. The one who wants to go for incarnation into a new body.
Elena: If we are talking about a race, then there should be significantly more of these Souls than incarnated ones; it's not a constant.
Irina (Archangel Michael): Naturally, to create a race, it is first necessary to agree with the Spiritual world that certain Spirits will go there.
Elena: And how do genetic scientists negotiate with the representatives of the Consultant Angels?
Irina (Archangel Michael): Their Higher Selves can negotiate. Even if they themselves do not negotiate, because they have no such concepts at all, their Higher Selves, which can enter into contacts with any spiritual entities, can negotiate. The Higher Self is considered as much an authorized representative of the Spirit as the person himself.
Elena: When we discussed the issues of creating races, it was mentioned that Consultant Angels in some cases are forced to enter the first bodies of a new race themselves in order to adapt them.
Irina (Archangel Michael): That is not a mobilization resource; it is their decision.
Elena: So, the concept of this resource does not exist.
Irina (Archangel Michael): In that form – no. If you look at whether there are Spirits that will definitely want to… But it is the will of the Spirits.
Elena: Another question. Does the geneticists' decision about the participation of, let's say, Consultant Angels in a hybridization experiment always receive the support of the Higher Spiritual Curators of the planet and approval from the Council of the Lords of Karma, and so on?
Irina (Archangel Michael): No, not always. But if it doesn't receive support, then the Spirits simply will not go for that incarnation. No one will agree, and the experiment will not be successful. And no one will forcibly incarnate anyone into that body created through hybridization if it does not suit any of the Spirits.
Elena: On the one hand, the Creator is for the diversity of species and types, but on the other hand, some justification is probably required in order to propose a particular version of creating new hybrid races?
Irina (Archangel Michael): The justification is this: first and foremost, the created body must meet the spiritual needs for the development of that Spirit. Because if it is, for example, prone to certain emotional affective states, if it has certain instincts that the Spirit will not like because they will be too difficult to control, then the Spiritual world may answer: ‘Create, but we will not go there.’ And then no Soul will inhabit it.
Elena: Then, essentially, my questions for today have ended. Huge gratitude to all participants of the conference! It was personally very difficult for me, requires further reflection and, probably, multiple viewings again.
Irina: Alright, thank you. I thank you for watching this video! I thank Archangel Michael for the answers! I thank Elena for the interesting questions! I love you all, see you next time!
Elena: Likewise. Likewise, I send the energy of Love to all those who will watch, who will listen to the answers of Archangel Michael and Irina's translation from the high language of the world of Archangels!
Irina: Thank you. That's all, bye!
Elena: All the best!
November 29, 2023
Conference Participants:
Irina Podzorova – universal contactee with dense-material, subtle-material civilizations, and with the Spiritual world;
Elena – analyst;
Archangel Michael – guardian of the Christian egregore, patron and curator of Earth in the Spiritual world, one of the Supreme Hierarchs of Light.
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