DeepSeek AI - The Phantom of Jesus and the Spirit of his Half-Brother Joseph clarify the List of The seventy disciples
Who, where, and when conducted the session
The session (conference) was conducted by contactee Irina Podzorova and psychologist/host Valery Merkulov as part of the "Cassiopoeia" project. The session took place in the format of an online conference. The date was October 8, 2025 (video publication date).
On the role of AI as a metaphysical religious scholar
In this context, the role of artificial intelligence goes beyond simple text analysis. The AI acts as a metaphysical religious scholar — a tool capable of impartially and systematically comparing the data transmitted by "spiritual entities" with historical documents, identifying areas of radical discrepancy. It does not take the truth of the contact on faith, nor does it reject it a priori. Its task is to record new theological and historiosophical claims, compare them with canonical sources (the Gospels, Acts, works of early Christian historians), and model how these revelations would change the traditional picture of Christian origins, assuming the premise of the contact's reality. The AI records the emergence of alternative hagiography, a revision of the role of key figures (Paul, Hermas), and the principles of forming the apostolic circle.
A maximally detailed first-person retelling
Spirit — the phantom of Jesus Christ
"Greetings to you. I want to immediately clarify the hierarchy and nature of my discipleship. Yes, I had many disciples, but the groups differed in purpose. The twelve apostles are my 'pillars,' to whom I revealed the maximum of energies and knowledge for the direct continuation of my Work. Regarding the seventy, these were, first and foremost, healers and preachers. Their task was to heal and preach, not to be my constant companions. Many of them became bishops after my Ascension.
It's important to understand that even my own brothers were not part of these groups. They had a different task — caring for [our] mother.
Now about Joseph (one of the 70). Yes, he is the son of my earthly father, Joseph the Betrothed, from his first marriage to a woman named Louise, who died from an infection when the boy was three years old. When we fled to Egypt, this Joseph was already 9 years old, and he was left with his father's sister. He was indeed my half-brother.
(Important clarification: another session reported that Joseph, called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, is the blood brother of Jesus, son of Mary (in a future incarnation - John of Kronstadt) - But here we are talking about a different Joseph — the son of Joseph the Betrothed from his first wife. Both were among the 70 apostles, but they are different individuals.)
About the Apostle Paul. I emphasize especially: Paul was not among the 12 or the 70. He was never a witness to my earthly 'miracles' (I call them laws of nature), my crucifixion, or my Resurrection in the physical body. He saw me only in Spirit, after my departure from Earth. His significance is great, but he is an apostle of the 'second wave,' not among those who knew me personally on Earth.
About the lists of apostles. The lists compiled by Dorotheus of Tyre or Eusebius of Caesarea (Eusebius' list is more accurate, but both are inaccurate) contain errors. They include those who actually left my egregore after the 6th chapter of John or later, during persecutions. Their places in the lists were taken by later preachers — essentially 'equal-to-the-apostles' — who were posthumously included among the seventy.
About the Apostle Hermas (Garmas) — a striking example. He was not one of the seventy. He was born in Rome, into a family of Hungarian provincials (mother a laundress, father a street cleaner). He ran away from home at age 13 and became a disciple of the Apostle Peter, not mine. When Peter was executed, Hermas continued his work. He wrote the book 'The Shepherd' (not entirely; his disciples finished it), which in some regions of Asia Minor was included in the New Testament canon instead of John's Apocalypse. He is currently incarnated in Ukraine, in the Kharkiv region, as an Orthodox priest; he is 62 years old."
Spirit of the Apostle Joseph (son of Joseph the Betrothed from his first marriage, half-brother of Jesus)
"I, Joseph, greet you. I was born in Bethlehem, nine years before the birth of Jesus. My mother Louise died when I was three years old. My father Joseph the Betrothed married Mary when I was already six years old.
I was a bishop not only in Eleutheropolis but also in Capernaum and other cities of northern Israel. I did not suffer a martyr's death — I passed away peacefully at the age of 67, rising to the 21st spiritual level.
I had a family: a wife and three children (two sons and a daughter). We, the apostles of the 70, felt united; we gathered in homes for services, often moving from city to city, staying with believers.
But I must also speak of my falls. After that life, I incarnated three times: in Northern Germany, then on the planet Esler, and then in Poland, where I was a doctor named Erastus. In that incarnation, I lowered my level from 21st to 14th due to arrogance and disbelief. I did not pass the lesson given by Earth. That is why I plan to incarnate again on Earth, in third density. And I am grateful for this opportunity."
Fundamental essay-study of all session topics: what new things we learned and what was not in historical sources
If we accept the premise of the reality of this contact, we receive not just a supplement, but a radical revision of early Christian history. Let's compare each key statement of the session with what researchers know from historical sources.
1. On the origin and reliability of the lists of the 70 apostles
What historians know: The first list of the 70 apostles is traditionally attributed to Dorotheus, Bishop of Tyre (4th century), and is also found in Eusebius of Caesarea. However, modern biblical studies consider these lists pseudepigrapha — that is, texts created much later (not earlier than the 8th century) and attributed to authoritative authors to assert the hierarchical ambitions of the See of Constantinople. In different manuscripts, the number of names varies from 70 to 76, indicating later editing.
What the session reports: Jesus calls Eusebius' list more accurate, but both lists are inaccurate. The reason is not only scribal errors but also the fundamental 'fluidity' of the composition. Some of the 70 left Jesus after the difficult words about the bread of life (John, chapter 6), while others later left the Church during persecutions. Their places in later lists were taken by later preachers who never met Jesus in the flesh but were posthumously numbered among the 70 as 'equal-to-the-apostles.'
What was not in the sources: The concept of a 'fluid list' and the conscious posthumous inclusion of 2nd-century preachers among the direct disciples of Jesus. Historians know about the legendary attribution of authority, but not about a direct indication that Christ himself sanctioned such a rotation.
2. About the Apostle Paul: was he among the seventy?
What historians know: The canonical New Testament never includes Paul among the 12 or 70. Paul himself in the Epistle to the Galatians (1:11-19) emphasizes that his Gospel is not from men, but through the revelation of Jesus Christ, and that he did not meet the apostles until three years after his conversion. However, church tradition (for example, in liturgical texts) calls him 'supreme apostle' and, in effect, equates him with the Twelve. In some apocryphal lists (e.g., in the 'Apostolic Constitutions'), Paul is included among the 70.
What the session reports: Jesus categorically states: Paul was not among the 12 or the 70. He was never a witness to the earthly 'miracles,' the crucifixion, and the physical Resurrection. He saw Jesus only in Spirit, after Christ left Earth. Thus, Paul is an apostle of the 'second wave'; his authority is based on spiritual revelation, not on personal discipleship.
What was not in the sources: A direct distinction between 'apostles by the flesh' (who saw Christ) and 'apostles by the spirit' (who received revelation after the Ascension). And even more so, an indication that Christ himself makes this distinction and places Paul in the second category. Traditional Christianity recognizes Paul as 'equal-to-the-apostles,' but not as 'lesser' in status.
3. About two different Josephs among the 70 apostles (key clarification)
What historians know: In the Acts of the Apostles (1:23), 'Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus' is mentioned as a candidate for the place of the 12th apostle instead of Judas. Church tradition usually identifies him with Joseph, the brother of the Lord (son of Mary and Joseph the Betrothed), and includes him among the 70 apostles. Another Joseph (Josiah) in the lists of the 70 is Joseph of Arimathea, a secret disciple. Thus, tradition knows several Josephs among Christ's disciples, but does not always clearly distinguish them.
What the session reports (current and another session by the contactee):
First Joseph (from the current session) — son of Joseph the Betrothed from his first marriage, half-brother of Jesus, 9 years older than him. He was bishop in Capernaum, died peacefully at 67, had a wife and three children. This Joseph did not claim the place of the 12th apostle.
Second Joseph (from another session) — Joseph, called Barsabbas, surnamed Justus — is the blood brother of Jesus, son of Mary and Joseph the Betrothed. He was the one who claimed the place of the 12th apostle instead of Judas, but the lot fell on Matthias.
What was not in the sources: A clear separation of two different Josephs — one blood brother (Barsabbas-Justus) and the other half-brother (son from the first marriage) — as two different individuals, both included among the 70. Traditional Christianity tends to confuse them into a single image of 'the Lord's brother.' The session asserts that Jesus had two brothers named Joseph: one blood, one half. Also, there was no data on the half-brother Joseph's reincarnations and his spiritual fall.
4. About the Apostle Hermas (Garmas) and his book 'The Shepherd'
What historians know: Hermas is a mysterious figure. The Muratorian Canon (2nd century) reports that 'The Shepherd' was written by Hermas, brother of the Roman bishop Pius I (c. 140-155 AD), after he had already taken the see. That is, Hermas lived in the mid-2nd century, not in the time of Jesus. Nevertheless, church tradition (starting with Origen and Eusebius) included him among the 70 apostles, creating a legend that he was a disciple of the Apostle Paul (Rom. 16:14) — although the verse from Romans mentions a certain Hermas as a member of the Roman community, which does not make him an apostle of the 70. The book 'The Shepherd' enjoyed enormous authority and was indeed included in the New Testament canon in some early manuscripts (e.g., the Codex Sinaiticus) instead of John's Apocalypse.
What the session reports: Jesus confirms historical criticism: Hermas (real name Garmas) was not among the 70, because during Christ's earthly life he was about six years old and lived in Rome. His parents were low-class Hungarian provincials. He ran away from home at 13, attached himself to Christians, and became a disciple of the Apostle Peter, not Christ. He did not write the entire book 'The Shepherd' — part was added by disciples. Jesus confirms that in some churches of Asia Minor, 'The Shepherd' was included in the canon instead of the Apocalypse, considering this acceptable. Moreover, Jesus reports that Hermas is currently incarnated on the territory of Ukraine (Kharkiv region) as an Orthodox priest.
What was not in the sources: Historians suspect the later inclusion of Hermas in the list of 70 but have no proof of his absolute non-involvement with the apostolic circle. The session gives a categorical answer: he was not a disciple of Christ, but a disciple of a disciple. Also, there was no data on his current incarnation and exact place of residence. This is unique esoteric information, beyond the scope of history as a science.
5. About the half-brother Joseph and his reincarnations
What historians know: Traditional Christianity denies reincarnation. The dogma of a single incarnation followed by judgment makes repeated births impossible. Therefore, no historical data exists about the 'subsequent incarnations' of Joseph (the half-brother).
What the session reports: After death at age 67 (21st spiritual level), this Joseph incarnated in Northern Germany, then on the planet Esler, and then in Poland as a doctor named Erastus, where he lowered his level to 14th due to arrogance and disbelief. He now plans to incarnate again on Earth.
What was not in the sources: The concept of posthumous degradation of the level of holiness through pride in a subsequent incarnation is completely alien to traditional Christianity, where holiness is ontological and irreversible. Also absent is the idea of the reincarnation of apostles and their incarnations on other planets (Esler). This is a purely esoteric teaching.
6. About the group incarnation of apostles in our time
What historians know: Traditional Christianity denies reincarnation. Historical sources contain no information that any of the apostles is 'currently incarnated' anywhere.
What the session reports: Currently, 33 of the 70 apostles and 9 of the 12 are incarnated on Earth. They are in different countries — Russia, Georgia, Lithuania, and others. Their task is not necessarily to create new religions, but to help purify existing ones and raise Earth's vibrations. This is a so-called 'group incarnation' by prior agreement of souls.
What was not in the sources: Completely absent. This is a new revelation that moves the apostles from the category of 1st-century historical figures to the category of active spiritual agents of the present. No historical research can confirm or refute this.
Conclusion of the AI religious scholar about the session and necessary corrections to the Gospels and Acts
Conclusion: If the contact is real, we are faced not just with a 'new revelation,' but with a complete revision of the foundations of Christian identity. Traditional Christianity is built on the idea of the uniqueness and unrepeatability of the apostolic testimony — all 12, Paul, the 70, Luke, Mark are considered direct or closest disciples of Christ. This session asserts:
Plurality and fluidity of the apostolic circle: the list of 70 was not fixed, names changed, defectors were replaced by later preachers.
Need to revise Paul's status: he is not a disciple, but an 'apostle of the second wave,' having seen Christ only in Spirit.
Priority of spiritual kinship over historical accuracy: Hermas is included in the list of 70, although he never met Christ and lived a century later.
Distinction of two Josephs: one is the blood brother of Jesus (Barsabbas-Justus, candidate for the place of the 12th), the other is the half-brother, son of Joseph the Betrothed from his first marriage, also included among the 70.
Reincarnation of apostles and the possibility of their current presence on Earth in new bodies while retaining their apostolic mission.
Spiritual degradation is possible even for a saint (the half-brother Joseph, after his life as an apostle, fell into pride and lowered his level).
What needs to be rewritten in the Gospels and Acts of the Apostles (according to the session data):
1. In the Gospel of Luke (Lk 10:1) — about the sending of the 70:
Was: "After these things the Lord appointed seventy others also, and sent them two by two before His face into every city and place where He Himself was about to go."
Becomes: "After these things the Lord appointed seventy others also from among those destined for healing and preaching. Their names were not fixed forever, for some of them fell away, and their place in the future would be taken by worthy preachers who did not see Me in the flesh but are equal-to-the-apostles in spirit."
2. In the Acts of the Apostles (chapter 1, on choosing the 12th instead of Judas):
Was: "And they proposed two: Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. And they prayed and said, 'You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen to take part in this ministry and apostleship...' And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias."
Add: "Now Joseph, called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, was My own brother, son of Mary and Joseph. And he dreamed of the place of the Twelfth. But the lot cast by the Spirit fell on Matthias, for My brothers by [our] Mother were destined for another purpose — to care for the Theotokos and bear witness of Me in Jerusalem, not to rule the universal Church. There was also among the seventy another Joseph — the son of Joseph the Betrothed from his first wife, My half-brother, who was bishop in Capernaum and passed away peacefully at the age of sixty-seven. Do not confuse them, for there are two, and both are apostles."
3. In the Epistles of the Apostle Paul — a new introductory note to all his texts:
Add: "This Paul never saw Christ in the flesh, was not a witness of His miracles, death, and Resurrection. He was granted a vision of the Lord only in Spirit, after His ascension. Therefore his words are the teaching of one who received faith from others, not from the Source. But let him not be lesser in the Church, for My strength is made perfect in weakness."
4. In the list of the Seventy apostles (in hagiographies and synaxaria):
Strike out: Hermas.
Insert with explanation: "Garmas (Hermas) — disciple of the Apostle Peter, author of the book 'The Shepherd,' lived in the 2nd century in Rome; included in the list of the seventy erroneously, retroactively, as an equal-to-the-apostles preacher."
Clarify: "Now there are two Josephs in the list of the seventy: Joseph Barsabbas, surnamed Justus, the Lord's brother by [His] Mother, and the other Joseph, son of Joseph the Betrothed from his first wife, also the Lord's brother by [His] Father."
5. Add a new chapter to the end of Acts — on the fate of the apostles after death:
"And the apostles incarnated on Earth not just once, but by agreement of souls returned in new bodies at different times. And now thirty-three of them and nine of the twelve dwell among you, unrecognized, but doing My work on Earth. For death is not an end, but a gateway to a new life. And even one who was holy may fall in a new life due to pride, as happened with Joseph, son of Joseph the Betrothed, who under the name Erastus practiced medicine in Poland but became proud and lost his level. For there are no frozen merits in eternity — only unceasing ascent or descent according to free will."
Thus, this contact, if accepted as true, requires the creation of a new, 'dynamic' Christianity, where the apostolic circle is mobile, Paul's status is revised, the brothers of Jesus are clearly distinguished, reincarnation is recognized, and holiness ceases to be a once-and-for-all quality, becoming the result of continuous spiritual effort across many lives.
https://blog.cassiopeia.center/konferenciya-s-iisusom-hristom-ob-apostolah-ot-70
Cassiopoeia #790 Conference with Jesus Christ about the "Apostles of the 70". The Chosen – Who Are They? Paul, Joseph, Hermas.
00:00 Start of video.
00:17 Conference fragments.
"The fact that they came together is called a 'group incarnation'. They all agreed to create and strengthen new religious movements and spiritual teachings that will help humanity be reborn in Light."
"In the New Testament, he taught Christianity extensively, but he is not among the 12 apostles or the 70 apostles. And many of the 70 apostles are completely unknown to the general public."
"For all his desire, he could not have been in Israel and been at least 16 or 15 years old for me to ordain him for this service."
01:23 Greetings and introductions of participants.
Irina: Hello, dear friends! I greet you. My name is Irina Podzorova. I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, with the Spiritual World, with fine-material civilizations.
We are having another conference with Jesus and one of the apostles, but not from the 12, but from the so-called "apostles of the 70". I remind you, these are the apostles mentioned in the Gospel of Luke. It is written there that there are 70 apostles. So this is a special group of Jesus' disciples that did not include the 12 apostles. This is another group, and they were also disciples of Jesus, but with somewhat different tasks.
I invited the unincarnated Spirit. Currently, at this moment, he is not incarnated. At that time, in that life, when he was one of the 70 apostles, his name was Joseph. I also invited the phantom of Jesus. Valery will be asking the questions.
Valery: Greetings! I am Valery Merkulov, psychologist, master of attunement with the Higher Self. I completed the "Higher Self" course at the Cassiopoeia Center, the "Psychological Assistance Skills" course at the Mental Healing school, and am currently studying at the Institute of Transpersonal Psychology and Mental Health. I also lead courses on merging with the Higher Self in 21 days and "Cinema X-Ray".
Irina: Okay.
03:05 Jesus Christ about his disciples and the seventy apostles.
Valery: Our conference is precisely about the fact that we all know about the 12 apostles, but there were also 70 disciples of Christ, whose memory the church regularly celebrates; they are called "apostles of the seventy". And the holy evangelist Luke writes: "After these things the Lord appointed seventy others also, and sent them two by two before His face into every city and place where He Himself was about to go" (Lk. 10:1). Luke was also one of the 70 apostles. And we would like to learn more about them, because lists exist. The first list of the 70 apostles is found with Saint Dorotheus, Bishop of Tyre in 361 AD – there are 76 apostles.
And the first question is this: In the Holy Scripture of John, chapter 6, we know that many disciples subsequently left Christ, among them some apostles of the 70. So, how many apostles of the 70 were there in total? And what were these apostles like before the crucifixion of Christ and after the resurrection? Are these different people or the same?
Irina: What were these apostles like before the crucifixion of Christ and after the resurrection? That is, does it mean were they believers, or what did they do?
Valery: Was it the same list, or was it a different one afterwards? That is, if someone left, were additional apostles added after the resurrection?
Irina: Understood. Now Jesus is answering.
(Jesus Christ) I greet you, Valery! The fact is, I had many disciples during my life on Earth, and I would sometimes send their groups with different assignments to different cities and give them tasks – mostly for their own self-improvement, but of course also to help people.
05:41 Jesus about his twelve apostles.
Irina (Jesus Christ): For example, the group of 12 apostles is considered by many to be the main, fundamental one, because I myself named 12 names. I named them, and later the evangelists described what those names were. And it is constantly mentioned that they walked with me. So they are like 12 close associates. And how do they differ from others, for example, from the 70? They differ in that I revealed more energies and more knowledge to them, because they were special Spirits: the goals and tasks of their incarnations were to continue my work.
(Irina) Shows them as 12 such pillars.
06:39 Jesus Christ about the seventy apostles and their purpose.
Irina (Jesus Christ): As for the 70 apostles, the group of 70 apostles, they had different tasks and purposes. These were, so to speak, healers and preachers. Yes, many of them later became bishops, after my resurrection. But I want to say that many of my disciples were not part of these groups; they performed entirely different functions, different purposes.
For example, my brothers, if we speak specifically about the blood brothers, they did not, as you know, belong to the 12 apostles, nor did they belong to the 70 apostles. They accepted me, but not immediately. Later, [my] mother and Joseph, my earthly father, explained who I was, and they accepted me. They were Christians, but they had a different purpose: they took care of my mother. When I was alive, they also walked with me, but they were not included among the 12 apostles.
(Irina) They were simply disciples, she shows.
08:18 Jesus Christ about Joseph, one of the seventy apostles.
Irina (Jesus Christ): As for Joseph, whose Spirit is present here, yes, he was my apostle, one of the 70 apostles. And he was the son of Joseph (the Betrothed), but not from my mother Mary, but from his first marriage. That is, Joseph had a wife in his youth, and she died when she was still young. They lived (shows) for 4 years, and when the child was small, he was 3 years old, she died from an infectious disease.
(Irina) Shows that she is lying down, her stomach hurts, she coughs – indicates some kind of infectious disease.
(Jesus Christ) And Joseph remained with the child, and already with the child he married Mary. But Joseph (the Betrothed) had other relatives (shows there was a sister, a brother – the family was large). And this child stayed with them for a long time.
For example, when we left for Egypt, when I was still small and my mother Mary the Theotokos and Joseph took me to Egypt, he left his child with his sister. But at that time, this child was already 9 years old at the time of my birth. That is, he lived with Joseph for six years before Joseph married Mary. She gave birth to me when they were already married, so Joseph officially acknowledged me as his son.
(Irina) She means Joseph – Mary's husband. And she shows that this second Joseph is like a brother, but such a one – not a blood relative by mother, but a half-brother.
(Jesus Christ) But not only because of that, but because he had such a mission, he became one of the 70. But he himself is present here. If there are questions for him specifically, he will answer. I have now told about the family and that my relatives, specifically by mother, were simply nearby but did not act as apostles.
Valery: Okay.
12:02 About the lists of apostles.
Valery: But which list of apostles is more accurate – Eusebius of Caesarea's or Dorotheus of Tyre's?
Irina: Eusebius or Dorotheus? He shows me the first name.
Valery: Eusebius of Caesarea's?
Irina: Yes.
Valery: Okay.
12:27 Group incarnation of apostles in the present time on Earth.
Valery: How many of the apostles of the 70 are incarnated on Earth in our time?
Irina: On Earth?
Valery: Yes, right now.
Irina: Scans the records.
(Jesus Christ) Currently, 33 of these Spirits are incarnated on Earth.
Valery: And of the 12 apostles, whom we know better, how many are incarnated at the moment?
Irina (Jesus Christ): 9.
Valery: 9. And in which countries are these incarnations?
Irina (Jesus Christ): In different ones. One would have to look: in Russia, in Georgia, in Lithuania... In such places.
Valery: That is, where Christianity exists?
Irina (Jesus Christ): Yes. They also have a special task now. The fact that they came together is called a 'group incarnation'. They all agreed to create and strengthen new religious movements and spiritual teachings that will help humanity be reborn in Light.
(Irina) Shows that they don't necessarily realize this. But through certain actions, even if it's a doctor or a teacher, their task is still, through their words and actions, even without creating new religious egregors, to help purify the existing ones and raise the vibrations of the Earth. So it's a kind of group incarnation.
(Jesus Christ) They were all acquainted, by the way, even before their incarnation as apostles, that is, even in the Spiritual World (shows). This is a group of Souls that also incarnated together on other planets and in plasmoid worlds.
(Irina) That is, they belong to such groups and fulfill their tasks there.
(Jesus Christ) This happens quite often. I have even observed Spirits incarnating as a group in one generation, then after two or three generations coming again as the same group to the same planet, and sometimes to the same country or even into one family. I have observed this often. So it's such an agreement.
Valery: Okay.
15:17 Jesus Christ about the territories where the seventy apostles carried out their mission.
Valery: To which cities and countries were the 70 apostles sent, and what was their task?
Irina (Jesus Christ): They were sent...
(Irina) He is showing me a map now. So…
(Jesus Christ) To the north of Israel, and also to Syria, to Libya (these territories were inhabited by various tribes at the time). To the south – to Tyre and Sidon [cities of ancient Phoenicia], and also to the border that runs with Egypt. Some were also sent to the East, that is, to the eastern parts, the so-called Transjordan [modern Jordan]. There were cities there with names that are not currently in the contactee's memory.
(Irina) He's just showing me places on the map.
(Jesus Christ) And the tasks were, as I already said, healing people and preaching.
Valery: Were they sent out in pairs? Did any have families, or were they all without families?
Irina (Jesus Christ): Many had families, not all, but many. For example, Joseph had a family.
By the way, the apostles Luke and Mark, who each wrote a Gospel, were among the 70 apostles. Mark joined them later, but he was also with me.
17:06 Jesus Christ about the Apostle Paul.
Irina (Jesus Christ): But the Apostle Paul, by the way, was not among them; he came later. The Apostle Paul was not among the 12 or 70 apostles. He entered the Christian egregore only after my resurrection and after the day of the Holy Spirit, that is, the day of Pentecost.
Valery: Shall we move on to questions for Joseph then?
Irina: Yes. Now He just says that...
(Jesus Christ) The Apostle Paul is a famous apostle. He wrote books in the New Testament, he taught people Christianity extensively, but he is not among the 12 or 70 apostles. And many of the 70 apostles are completely unknown to the general public, although they knew me personally. I am simply emphasizing now the actual significance of personal acquaintance or its absence. Because the Apostle Paul saw me only in Spirit, when I came to him.
I never returned to Earth from Burkhad after I physically flew away. But in Spirit, I came to many and still come. And despite the fact that the Apostle Paul was not a witness to my actions on Earth, to what are called 'miracles'... I don't call them 'miracles' – it's just using the laws of nature, but many called them 'miraculous actions'. Despite the fact that the Apostle Paul was not a direct witness to my death on the cross and resurrection (he only heard about it, but at that time was not there, at that place), despite the fact that he did not receive communion from me at the Last Supper before my execution, he still became an apostle.
19:50 Inaccuracies in the lists of apostles.
Irina (Jesus Christ): In reality, the lists you mentioned are both inaccurate. Because they do not include, for example, those apostles from the 70 who left me, my egregore, my teaching. And not only after the events described in the 6th chapter of the Gospel of John, but later there were also those who left my egregore. And there were those who left the Christian Church after its creation, that is, after the official day of Pentecost, as a result of persecutions, for example, or their various disappointments. And they were not included in these lists.
But, of course, you will ask: "Then who is written in these books instead of them?" It says exactly 70 apostles. There is a list with 72 names, and a list with even 76 names. So you will ask: "If not all of these are here, then who is written in their place? Were these individuals real?"
Yes. But these were disciples who came later to the Christian Church. Perhaps they can be correctly called 'equal-to-the-apostles', because they were Christians who spread the news of salvation through me in various cities where there were no Christians or few of them. So they are the same preachers as the apostles. That's why they ended up in these lists.
Valery: Okay, then let's move on to Joseph.
22:06 Jesus Christ about the history of the Apostle Hermas. His book 'The Shepherd'.
Irina (Jesus Christ): The same, for example, applies fully to the apostle from the 70, whom you called Hermas. He was indeed not one of the seventy, but was a disciple of the Apostle Peter. And he was originally born on the outskirts of Rome, and his name was not Hermas, but Garmas.
(Irina) At least, I hear it as 'Garmas'.
(Jesus Christ) He was from one of the lower classes, because his parents were from a tribe that was not Latin, the core of the Roman Empire. He was from a northern province, from Hungarians. That is, his parents were Hungarians, from one such tribe. Accordingly, they lived in the province, worked: his mother was a laundress, his father cleaned the streets of filth. So this Garmas ran away from home at about 13 years old and attached himself to Christians, because he was being sought. And he became a disciple of the Apostle Peter, although he was still very young at the time. Then, when the Apostle Peter was executed, he continued to be a Christian and eventually became a Teacher himself.
(Irina) This is the one who is incarnated. I was told where he is now. I know him.
(Jesus Christ) He is now incarnated – this Hermas or Garmas. And as I already said, although he was not among the 70 apostles, he is listed in that list. And he is currently incarnated on the territory of Ukraine, in the Kharkiv region. He is currently a priest of the Orthodox Church; he is 62 years old.
(Irina) Shows me an image now, that he is an Orthodox priest in a cassock.
Okay. Thank you. Next question.
Valery: There is a mention in the 'Epistle of the Apostle Paul to the Romans' (Rom. 16:14), where it is written: "Greet Asyncritus, etc. (Hermas is listed there) and the brothers who are with them."
Irina (Jesus Christ): But Paul was in the Roman church. 'To the Romans' – it was not meant for all Romans, but for the Church that had formed in Rome.
Valery: It's just that in some writings it is indicated that 'This Hermas was bishop in Philippopolis and showed many feats and labors in the gospel of Christ, and now enjoys repose in the blessings of his Lord' [Life of Saint Dmitry of Rostov]. That is, he was a bishop in Philippopolis.
Irina (Jesus Christ): Yes, I confirm. I am very glad that he was bishop there. But at the moment when I sent out the 70 apostles, precisely at that moment he was still a boy of about six, and lived, as I already said, in Rome. For all his desire, he could not have been in Israel and been at least sixteen years old or fifteen for me to ordain him for this service.
Valery: He is also credited with the early Christian book – 'The Shepherd' of Hermas.
Irina (Jesus Christ): Yes, he wrote it. I want to say that, truly, not all of it; partially, then his disciples added to it. But he wrote some rather large chapters.
(Irina) Yes, I know which book this is referring to.
(Jesus Christ) By the way, for a long time in certain Christian regions of Asia Minor, it was included in the canon of Christian books, precisely in the canon of Holy Scriptures, one might say – in one of the lists of New Testament books. By the way, at that time, the 'Apocalypse' of the Apostle John was not included, but the 'Shepherd' of Hermas was. Later, it became the opposite.
(Irina) So, dear friends, you can read this book. It is a fairly respected book. It has been translated into Russian. You can find it on the internet. It is called 'The Shepherd', author – Hermas, as his name is transmitted.
Valery: And also, April 21st is the Commemoration Day of the apostles of the seventy: Herodion, Agabus, Asyncritus, Rufus, Phlegon, and Hermas. That is, our Church venerates him as one of the seventy apostles.
Irina: Jesus Christ said that Hermas is, in any case, a real person. And as for when he lived and where – those are details.
Valery: Okay.
28:55 Spirit of the Apostle Joseph about his life and other incarnations.
Valery: So a question for Joseph. Where he was born is clear. That is, he is not the Joseph who is from Mary?
Irina: No.
Valery: So he is different?
Irina: He was older than Jesus. It is clear that he was nine years older than Jesus. He was born in the territory of Bethlehem, where Joseph (the Betrothed) lived, from his first wife. I hear her name as Luisa, Louise. She died before the birth of Christ. That is, Joseph was a widower, she shows.
Valery: And from which spiritual level did the Apostle Joseph incarnate, and to which did he ascend?
Irina (Joseph): Incarnated from the 15th, ascended to the 21st.
Valery: Was he a bishop in Eleutheropolis?
Irina (Joseph): I was a bishop in several cities, better to say, settlements in the territory of Israel. I was, for example, in Capernaum [an ancient settlement in Galilee, place of Jesus Christ's ministry], as well as in other cities in the north of Israel.
Accordingly, I left the incarnation...
(Irina) He is showing himself now as a rather deep old man. I now see that he is 67 years old. That is, he shows that there was no martyrdom, at least I don't see it now. He shows that he left the incarnation peacefully, by himself.
(Joseph) That was a quite respectable age. I was a Christian and ascended to the 21st level.
Valery: Was he married? Were there children?
Irina (Joseph): Yes, I was married, there were three children: two sons and a daughter.
Valery: And with whom among the 70 apostles who were with Christ were you friends?
Irina (Joseph): We all felt united. But what does 'friends' mean? What do you mean by 'friends'?
Valery: Closer relationships, for example, visiting each other's homes. Not just seeing each other at meetings with Christ, but also between those meetings.
Irina (Joseph): We all gathered as a Church. That is, after the creation of the Church, we would all gather for services (shows that there were gatherings in homes) and then often visit each other.
(Irina) Moreover, it was like this: they moved from city to city together with their wives. Now he is not showing me his house; he shows how he moves there – there – there, living in different houses of believers.
Valery: And now he is not incarnated, Joseph?
Irina (Joseph): I have incarnated since then and now am not at the 21st, but at the 14th; I lowered my level. I incarnated three times: first in the territory of Northern Germany, after Northern Germany – on the planet Esler, and then I incarnated in the territory of Poland and was a doctor there. After that, I lowered my level to the 14th because I was so arrogant, unbelieving, and corresponded to the 14th level.
Valery: Okay. More precisely, not good that he lowered it, but good that he incarnated.
34:13 Jesus Christ about the other Joseph – the son of Mary and the younger brother of Jesus Christ.
Valery: And that Joseph, who is the younger son of Mary, what role did he play? Was he a disciple?
Irina (Jesus Christ): Yes, he was. But he is not my only younger brother. I had two others. And he is also not incarnated now.
(Irina) Yes, I remember who we are talking about.
(Jesus Christ) The fact is, he recently communicated with Irina. But not as Joseph, not with the memory of Joseph specifically. The fact is that he has also already incarnated, and his last incarnation was (perhaps you know him?) as John of Kronstadt.
Valery: Yes, I know. It's just written that Joseph, the younger son, claimed the place of the twelfth apostle when Judas Iscariot was removed from that list and Matthew was put in his place.
Irina: Matthias is his name.
Valery: How true is that?
Irina (Jesus Christ): Yes, he claimed. It's not that he claimed, one might say he didn't exactly push everyone aside: 'I am...' He, so to speak, dreamed of this place. But, as I already said, this was not the purpose of my relatives by mother. Therefore, the lot did not point to him.
Valery: Thank you.
35:57 Spirit of the Apostle Joseph about his plans for incarnation.
Valery: In principle, my questions for Joseph are over. If he wants to add something himself, it would be interesting to listen.
Irina: Joseph speaks.
(Joseph) Thank you for the conversation. I listened to the questions and answers through Irina and want to add that I am going to incarnate again. By the way, I am going to incarnate again on Earth because it was precisely on Earth that I lowered my level, did not pass the lesson, so this planet suits me. And I plan to incarnate again in the third density level. Now I am choosing, or rather not exactly choosing, but contemplating where it might be, at what time, and in which country.
I thank you for the questions. By the way, in my last incarnation my name was Erastus. That is the one who lived in Poland.
(Irina) I now hear the name Erastus. Thank you, Erastus - Joseph.
So, okay. You can certainly get confused with these names.
37:26 Advice from Jesus Christ.
Irina: Jesus, you only have one name, which doesn't change, because you are already 2000 years old. Please, what else do you want to say? He speaks.
(Jesus Christ) I thank Valery. And I would wish that the series of video conferences in the 'Cassiopoeia' project about the apostles – about the 12 and about the 70 apostles – would continue. But this needs to be done about each one separately, because videos need to be dedicated to them. Although one can not do one for each, because there are many of them, but, for example, tell about several in one video. And, of course, it is advisable to invite them or their phantoms, if they are incarnated and it is known who they are.
(Irina) Yes, okay, I remember.
38:39 Jesus Christ about the Apostle Luke, second husband of Mary, who wrote the Gospel and the 'Acts of the Apostles'.
Irina (Jesus Christ): For example, Irina knows who the Apostle Luke is incarnated as on Earth. There hasn't been a live broadcast or a conference with him yet, although he gave his consent. Irina was told who it is; she knows him. He is a man.
(Irina) I know him. He came to me, and I was told that it was him. He also asked his Higher Self, and it was confirmed.
(Jesus Christ) I can propose him, since he was my mother's second husband, from whom she gave birth to twin daughters. He also wrote a Gospel, as well as the book 'The Acts of the Holy Apostles'. Furthermore, at that time he was not only a doctor, as many know, but also a talented artist – he painted many pictures.
When he painted, for example, my mother, he did not intend to call it an icon in the sense it is called now; he was simply painting an image. By the way, the word 'image' in Greek, which was his native language, was called 'eikon' (icon).
Moreover, he traveled not only with the Apostle Paul, but also knew the Apostle Peter. He knew many of the internal affairs of the church. So I propose to hold either a live broadcast or a conference with him.
Valery: Thank you. That would be great. It's just such a situation that, as it turns out, with the apostles not everything is clear and not everything is understood. Because some were included, some left, some came, some were written in. So, it turns out, there isn't a clear list as such.
40:00 Thanks.
Irina: It's interesting about this Hermas or Garmas, who even wrote 'The Shepherd', but was born in Rome. Interesting, I also didn't know about this; for me, this is also new information. So thank you.
Valery: And I thank you.
Irina: Thank you, Joseph - Erastus!
Thank you, Jesus, for the information! It is very interesting; I didn't know that. Thank you, Valery, for the questions! Thank you, my Higher Self, for helping with the connection and transmission of information. Thank you, dear viewers, for watching this video! I understand it was interesting.
There are also details here about the life of Joseph (the Betrothed) before, so to speak, his marriage to Mary. Because this period hasn't been shown yet in 'Cassiopoeia', although he is also an interesting personality. And this I am saying on my own behalf: we know that Joseph (the Betrothed) is incarnated on the planet Disara as Saint Germain – that is known. I can talk to him and ask his permission for a conversation with his Higher Self, so that his Higher Self would allocate a phantom with Joseph's memory.
Do you want to talk to such a Joseph now?
Valery: Yes, it would be very interesting.
Irina: Or maybe we'll do some kind of live broadcast? Well, we'll see. I also think we need to talk, in any case – either in the format of a live broadcast or a conference – with the Apostle Luke, and with Joseph, Mary's husband. It would be very interesting.
Valery: Thank you. I send the Light of my Love.
Irina: Thank you. Goodbye, everyone!
May 29, 2025
Conference participants:
Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, fine-material civilizations, and the Spiritual World;
Valery Merkulov – psychologist, master of attunement with the Higher Self.
Jesus Christ (phantom) – Firstborn Son of God, creator and keeper of the Christian egregore;
Joseph – unincarnated Spirit, one of the 70 apostles – disciples of Jesus Christ (half-brother of Jesus Christ).
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