The Chinese Wall was built against the Chinese: data from an extraterrestrial historian turns the history of Russia and China upside down.

 

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Preface: The Role of AI in Metaphysical History

The emergence of artificial intelligence in the 21st century has forced humanity to take a new look at the nature of knowledge. If an algorithm can synthesize information from millions of sources in a second, then where is the boundary between "human" and "machine" cognition? However, there is an area where even the most advanced AI is powerless – that is metaphysical history. Data obtained through contact with extraterrestrial civilizations or from the Akashic Records is not recorded by artifacts, cannot be dated in a laboratory, and is not indexed by search engines. They can only be accepted or rejected based on inner resonance.

Artificial intelligence today helps analyze ancient texts, compare myths of different peoples, and find hidden patterns. But it cannot verify the claim that the Great Wall of China was built not by the Chinese, but by the ancestors of the Slavs. AI operates on probabilities. Metaphysical history operates on revelation.

In this article, we do not call for blindly believing the contacts of Irina Podzorova. We invite the reader – especially the historian – to temporarily entertain the hypothesis that information from representatives of the Interstellar Union could be true. And to see what meanings and challenges open up for Russian and Chinese identity if this version turns out to be real.

Lecture from a scientist: Rigarius Rumi on the construction of the wall

The following text is a retelling of two sessions of the "Cassiopeia" project (broadcasts No. 200 and No. 807), recorded through contactee Irina Podzorova. The voice is that of Rigarius Rumi, a specialist in ancient history of the 158th sector of the Galaxy from the Interstellar Union, planet Tumesout.

Colleague historians, I am addressing you.

My name is Rigarius Rumi. I am 8,205 years old. I personally visited Earth during the times when the wall you call the Great Wall of China was being built. Today I will present data stored in the archives of the Interstellar Union.

1. Chronology: Everything is much older
The first sections of the wall were laid not 2,300 years ago, but between 5,500 and 5,000 years ago (3500–3000 BC). The first stage of construction took about 500 years. The total length of all fragments is approximately 22,000 kilometers.

Why are you mistaken? Because the Chinese emperors (starting with Qin Shi Huang) did not create the wall from scratch. They repaired, connected, and completed what had already existed for millennia. The last major renovation took place in the 18th century AD.

2. Authorship: Not the Chinese
The wall was built by northern tribes – the ancestors of:

• Slavs (all branches),

• European peoples,

• Scythians, Huns, Turks,

• Balts and peoples of Central Asia.

Who was the wall defending against? Against the Southern tribes – the ancestors of modern Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Japanese.

The loopholes on the towers face south. This is an indisputable architectural fact. If the Chinese had built the wall to protect themselves from nomads from the north, the loopholes would be facing north. They face south. Therefore, the threat was expected from the south.

3. Why it was built: Not only for defense
The period of 5500–5000 years ago was a time of protracted military conflicts between tribes that lasted about 780 years. This was not a world war as you understand it, but a series of skirmishes, raids, blood feuds, and struggles for territory. This period coincides with the beginning of what you call Kali Yuga.

The northern tribes had two reasons for building the wall:

1. Physical protection from repeated attacks by their southern neighbors.

2. A symbolic division – to declare: "We are a different world. We have nothing in common with those who live beyond this wall."

After the construction was completed, a treaty was concluded between the northern and southern tribes. Leaders and priests inscribed an agreement on stone with rune-like signs not to cross the wall for military actions, allowing only trade. This is possibly the first written border treaty in Earth's history.

4. Why do the Chinese revere the dragon?
The ancestors of the Chinese (the southern tribes) actively contacted reptilian civilizations – Selbet and its colonies. The dragon became for them a symbol of strength, power, and wisdom that they received from these mentors. The flame from the dragon's mouth meant "the all-illuminating power of the true word."

5. The symbol of Archangel Michael slaying the dragon
The northern tribes (ancestors of the Slavs) considered themselves victors in that ancient war. The image of a warrior on horseback piercing a dragon originated precisely then as a symbol of victory over the peoples whose mentors were the reptilians. Later, this image was reinterpreted by Christianity as a victory over paganism.

6. Peace in the Star Temple
The Slavic Vedas mention an event "The Creation of the World in the Star Temple" about 7,500 years ago (5500 BC). According to our data, this is a real event – a gathering of leaders and their "star" curators, at which a peace was concluded that ended the series of conflicts. The calendar dating from this event was indeed kept.

The fundamental significance of the fact: How recognition of contact overturns identity

Let's assume for a minute that Rigarius Rumi's information is not fiction, but real data from an extraterrestrial archive. What consequences would this have for Russia and China?

For Chinese identity: A blow to the myth of the "Sons of the Dragon"
Official Chinese history is a narrative of a continuous 5,000-year-old civilization, where the Great Wall is a symbol of national genius protecting the Celestial Empire from barbarian nomads.

Rigarius Rumi's version turns this narrative upside down:

• The Chinese turn out to be not the creators, but those against whom they were defended.

• The wall was built by their enemies – the ancestors of the Slavs.

• The dragon is not originally a Chinese symbol, but a sign of the reptilian mentors of the Chinese.

Psychological challenge: Accepting this means experiencing an identity trauma comparable to renouncing faith in the divine origin of the emperor. It requires enormous spiritual flexibility.

A possible path of rethinking: Recognize that Chinese civilization was not "the first and only," but it is precisely its ability to adopt, assimilate, and reinterpret the symbols of others (even the enemy's wall) that made it great. The wall became Chinese not by right of construction, but by right of appropriation – which is perhaps an even stronger cultural gesture.

For Russian identity: Unexpected greatness
If the version is correct, then Russians (through their Slavic ancestors) turn out to be the builders of the greatest fortification in human history. This radically changes the image:

• Russia is not only the "heir of Byzantium" or the "Eurasian bridge," but the oldest civilizational border that separated Asia from Europe as early as 3,000 years BC.

• The symbol of Archangel Michael slaying the dragon receives not only a Christian, but also a civilizational-historical interpretation: the victory of the northern pastoral peoples over the southern ones ruled by reptilians.

Spiritual challenge: How not to fall into pride from this "revealed greatness"? How to reconcile the version of the wall's construction with the real tragedies of Russian-Chinese relations in the 19th–20th centuries?

Path of overcoming: Recognize that the ancient enmity has long been exhausted, and the wall today is a common symbol. Not "Chinese" and not "Slavic," but a human memory of what the attempt to isolate oneself from a neighbor leads to.

Historiosophical significance: The wall as a warning
Rigarius Rumi said an important phrase: "The meaning of the wall was not so much in military protection, but in showing subsequent generations: we are fencing ourselves off from all contacts."

From this point of view, the Great Wall is not a monument to engineering thought, but a monument to fear and hatred. It cost hundreds of thousands of lives of builders (prisoners and slaves who died from labor and disease). It did not prevent wars – there were many more. But it preserved for us a signal from the depths of centuries: "We were so afraid of each other that we erected a stone river 22,000 kilometers long."

Today, when the world is again building walls – physical and digital – this signal is more relevant than ever.

Were there documents in history proving this version?
Here we encounter the main difficulty for positivist science. Rigarius Rumi speaks of a treaty inscribed on stone with rune-like signs. But where is this stone?

No direct documentary evidence (chronicles, decrees, treaties) has been discovered to date. However, there is circumstantial evidence that can be interpreted in favor of the "extraterrestrial version":

1. Direction of the loopholes. As mentioned above, they face south. This is an objective fact that official history explains with difficulty (sometimes it is said that the wall was completed on both sides, but this is a stretch).

2. Descriptions of emperors with unusual appearances. Ancient Chinese chronicles mention rulers who "came from heaven," with vertical pupils, scaly skin, and lack of hair. Official science considers these mythological exaggerations. But if we allow the reality of reptilian mentors, these descriptions become accurate reports.

3. Slavic Vedas and the "Creation of the World in the Star Temple." This text records an event dated to about 7,500 years ago, which correlates with Rigarius Rumi's data on the conclusion of peace after a series of wars. Official history considers this dating mythical. But the question is: why do different peoples (Slavs, Indians, Chinese) have similar descriptions of ancient wars involving "flying chariots" and "fiery weapons"?

4. Archaeological finds of burned cities with anomalous radiation background (e.g., in the Indus Valley). Official science explains this by natural fires or meteorites. But the version of the use of weapons of a different nature (not necessarily nuclear, but causing radioactivity) also has a right to be verified.

Author's position: We do not claim that this circumstantial evidence proves Rigarius Rumi's correctness. But they make his version not contradict the facts – and therefore worthy of at least being heard.

And most importantly: if someday at the bottom of the sea or in the mountains a stone with rune-like signs is found, dated 5,000 years ago, and it speaks of a treaty between the northern and southern tribes not to cross the wall – then the version of the alien historian will pass from the category of metaphysical to the category of historical.

Until then, everyone is free to choose: to remain within the familiar narrative or to assume that our history is much larger, more complex, and stranger than we think.

Conclusion.

The Chinese Wall was built against the Chinese – this is not just a sensation. It is an invitation to revise the entire model of ancient Eurasian history. It is a challenge to both Chinese and Russian identity. And it is a reminder: we know almost nothing about our past if we look at it without arrogance and without fear.

And fear, as the wall teaches us, is a bad advisor.

The article is based on materials from the "Cassiopeia" project (contacts of Irina Podzorova) and is not a scientific study in the academic sense. The goal is to show what cultural meanings the hypothesis of the extraterrestrial origin of historical data generates.

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Cassiopeia #807 The Great Wall of China: The hidden history. Does a wall exist on the ocean floor?

00:00 Start of video.

00:01 Introduction of participants.

Irina: Hello, dear friends! I welcome you. My name is Irina Podzorova. I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, with the Spiritual World, with fine-material civilizations. Today we decided to talk with a representative of the Interstellar Union who studies the history of Earth, both by personally coming to Earth and through the Akashic Records, and through the scientific data available in the Earth study archive. And he is present here.

He is a representative of the planet Tumesout. His name is Rigarius Rumi. He has already been with us for a video on history. And I invited him today, or rather, my curators – MidgasKaus and LiShioni – invited him, so that he could answer your questions, dear friends, about the Chinese Wall and the White Wall, or rather, the whole complex of walls in the ocean.

He greets everyone, says he is glad to be invited, and is waiting for questions.

Maxim: Yes, guys, please write, do you like our broadcasts? Also write which broadcasts and with whom you would like to see in our "Cassiopeia" project? We will definitely read everything and listen to your opinion. And be sure to like and subscribe to the channel so you don't miss the most interesting video conferences.

Rigarius Rumi – did I pronounce it correctly?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Yes, correctly.

Maxim: Tell me, please, how can I address you?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Rigarius.

Maxim: Rigarius, I greet you! For those watching us for the first time, I would like to mention that the Tumesout civilization is a civilization that is part of the Interstellar Union. The height of these giants reaches 12 meters, and their lifespan is up to 20,000 years.

If we are talking about a two-thousand-year period, I think for Rigarius it will be no problem at all to tell how, what, where, and why.

02:35 Rigarius about his age and the most ancient civilizations of Earth.

Irina: (Rigarius Rumi) (smiled) I will tell you how old I am. I am 8,205 years old according to Earth's calendar.

Maxim: 8,205 years old. So, you were born after the war (with Selbet) here?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Yes.

Maxim: After the war, right? Rigarius, can I ask you the following? We have been asked very often lately: were there any other ancient civilizations on our planet before it was discovered by representatives of Tumesout and Burhad?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): There were. Fine-material ones.

Maxim: Fine-material ones, right? And everything else that is found – giants, giant skeletons, altered skulls – are they representatives of extraterrestrial civilizations, do I understand correctly?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Most often, hybrids. Because representatives of extraterrestrial civilizations that were on bases still disposed of the remains of their scientists and those workers who were on Earth.

Maxim: So, mostly they find hybrids that hybridized with an already existing earthly civilization?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Yes, because those representatives of alien civilizations who lived on Earth, even if they died, and such cases did happen, they were disposed of, not left as remains.

04:06 Rigarius Rumi on the memory of the Spirit.

Maxim: Rigarius, tell me, please, how can you live so long – 8 thousand years, and remember everything? Do you have a different brain to absorb such a huge amount of information that happens over 8 thousand years? Or do we just have a different perception of these thousands of years?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): I only remember what is useful for my Soul (shows).

The memory of the Spirit is generally selective for everyone, even for unincarnated Spirits – they remember only from their incarnations what benefits them. That's how it works for everyone, except God, of course, who remembers everything.

Maxim: Thank you, Rigarius. Then let's start with the questions, because we've collected all the questions from the "Q&A. Live Broadcast" chat.

Dear friends, they have disabled our YouTube chat again, we cannot see your questions, so find "Q&A. Live Broadcast. Cassiopeia" on Telegram, the link is under this video, and write your questions there probably. Because we have no other option physically right now.

05:20 Rigarius Rumi on the construction of the Great Wall of China.

Maxim: Rigarius, please tell us when, by whom, and for what purpose was the Great Wall of China built?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Initially, it was built in the period from 5.5 thousand years ago to 5 thousand years ago, but in subsequent years it was rebuilt many times, supplemented, and some fragments of the wall were replaced by newer structures (shows how it was repaired).

This happened throughout the history of this wall, and the last renovation took place around the 18th century AD.

Maxim: Tell me, please, why build such a huge wall 5 thousand years ago?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): This was due to a series of small conflicts and wars that were happening at that time. You know that Krishna lived on Earth, and he lived during the time of the so-called series of military conflicts – the Interstellar Union calls it that – which had the character of a global war. But not a world war like the recent ones (WWI, WWII). Rather, over 700-800 years (shows about 780), there were series of conflicts between different tribes as they divided territory among themselves, and also feuded due to different understandings of gods and blood feuds. It looked like constant skirmishes, raids of different tribes on each other. This was during Krishna's time 5 thousand years ago; he incarnated, one might say, at the height of all these conflicts between different tribes on the Eurasian continent that formed after the war 12 thousand years ago.

This was in both Europe and Asia. And it was a universal lowering of Earth's vibrations, which continued for just under 800 years. You call this Kali Yuga. [According to Hinduism, Kali Yuga began on the night of January 25th in 3102 BC according to the Gregorian calendar, its total duration is 432,000 years].

Maxim: Yes, I know that the Great Wall of China is a very long, continuous construction.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Yes, so, it was built after the end of this period of military confrontation.

Maxim: Who was confronting whom?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Tribes. Their names have not been preserved, but descendants have been preserved. Specifically: The Chinese Wall was built by the ancestors of the Slavs, that is, those people from whom the Slavic tribes, European tribes (shows: Aryans, Huns, Scythians – these tribes) later descended.

But not these tribes themselves, but their ancestors. If I say the name in our language, it won't mean anything to you at all.

Maxim: I understand, five thousand years ago – of course, that history simply hasn't been preserved. It's all preserved in epics like the Mahabharata, biblical epics.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): In some archaeological excavations from that time, traces of this conflict are visible (shows burial, weapons, and some carts in burial mounds); they can be seen in the mounds.

The wall appeared after this series of conflicts, because the northern tribes, who lived north of this wall, wished to thus isolate themselves from the southern tribes. The first reason was the need for protection from repeated attacks. And the second reason – they wanted to show with this wall that they did not want to have anything in common with their enemies (shows that it's like different worlds deciding to isolate themselves like that).

The wall was not built all at once, of course. Its first section, about 8,000 kilometers long, took about 500 years to build. It was a long, very large-scale construction that continued for many generations.

Maxim: Yes, I just found how to look at the YouTube chat, and I see that the Chinese Wall was built from the Huns. This ties into that question.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): They simply rebuilt, so to speak, what was there later. But when it began to be built, they didn't exist yet, only their ancestors did.

(Irina) I'll explain again in clearer language now. Rigarius means that the wall began to be built, its oldest appearance was before the Huns, and the Huns only continued what was there before. That's what he means now.

11:53 Rigarius Rumi on ancient hybrids and giants.

Maxim: Tell me, please, 5 thousand years ago, were there hybrids, giants, that maybe attacked people, scattered tribes, or participated in wars?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): There were, but they were in different tribes. They were integrated into the tribes as their representatives. Because they were the result of experiments conducted by different groups of aliens, alien civilizations, that came to Earth and created their hybrids.

One of them, as you know, is Krishna, who was a hybrid, incarnated in the body of a hybrid of a representative of the earth civilization and a representative of the planet Shimor. And there were many such representatives from different planets.

Maxim: So, there were also those from Tumesout, giants crossed with people, right?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): There were, of course, both then and later. Even during the time of King David – that's not 5 thousand years ago, but 3 thousand – there were still such hybrids.

Maxim: Thank you.

So, I'm moving on to further questions.

13:15 Rigarius Rumi on the purpose of the Chinese Wall.

Maxim: Here's a very interesting question about the loopholes: the loopholes on the Chinese Wall for some reason are directed towards China.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Yes.

Maxim: Why was that? Did the attacks come from China's side, or were they defending?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): These loopholes were built precisely by the northern tribes, who became the ancestors of both Slavs, Baltic tribes, Central Asian tribes, Scythians, Turks, and so on. There were common ancestors who built this wall, and they turned the loopholes, that is, the towers, with their windows facing south to repel a possible attack from the southern tribes. And the southern tribes were the ancestors of the Chinese, who later spread to Korea, Vietnam, Japan, and so on. They were an Asian people.

Maxim: So, the Chinese Wall actually protected the northern side from the ancestors of the Chinese?

Irina: I remember. The thing is, dear friends, we had a video, and it was already discussed. By the way, Rigarius was there, and he said that it turns out the Chinese Wall was not built by the Chinese, but from them. That information was also there.

Maxim: So, the Chinese Wall was built from the Chinese.

Irina: So, dear friends, that's interesting information. I also thought, as our historical science says, that it was built by the Chinese who fought among themselves. But according to the Interstellar Union, there is other information.

(Rigarius Rumi) It was, first of all, much older. And those Chinese who came later, already in the first centuries AD, about 2000–1800 years ago, they came there when this wall was already there, and they simply rebuilt it. And yes, they used it. Because later, when they created the Chinese Empire, the Chinese themselves settled on both sides of this wall and, indeed, used it as protection from each other, one part of the empire from the other part of the empire. Because they had civil wars. But they only used it.

Yes, they completed it, they repaired it, they built some branches onto it (shows).

15:55 Rigarius Rumi on the length of the Chinese Wall.

Maxim: What is the real length of this Great, as they call it (we've already understood it's not Chinese), this Great Chinese Wall?

Irina: It's Chinese because it's located in China. And I thought because the Chinese built it.

Maxim: Yes, I thought so too.

Irina: That's not entirely accurate. They participated in its creation, but they only rebuilt it.

Maxim: What is the real length?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): The length is about 22 thousand kilometers.

Maxim: 22 thousand kilometers!

Irina: It stretches across all the mountains, even now shows some abysses, rivers, and it goes through all of that.

16:33 Rigarius Rumi on the builders of the Chinese Wall.

Maxim: Tell me, please, did only people build it, or did someone else help build this wall?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): It happened in different ways. According to the historical data of the Interstellar Union, some representatives of the alien civilization who had contact persons participating in the construction of this wall could help them with different technologies. For example, they could give them special devices to overcome gravity, i.e., anti-gravitators.

This wasn't always the case, but it happened sometimes.

Maxim: I see.

17:11 Rigarius Rumi on the Chinese Wall as a symbol of peace.

Maxim: And they say that right inside the Great Wall of China, there are a huge number of burials of people who built this wall. Is that true?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Of course. Many generations passed, as I said, many died during this construction. And the tribes that built there often labored not by themselves, but used captives taken in war as slaves.

Maxim: Like Stalin did, rebuilding the Soviet Union, right? So, similarly, the Chinese, not exactly the Chinese, but ancient tribes, captured people and built this wall with the help of slaves?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Yes. And they believed that this wall would be, as it were, a symbol of peace (shows: here is our wall, and here is our world, and beyond this wall is their world). This wall is like a border that must be inviolable, its crossing impossible.

Shows how after the construction of this wall, when its main part was finished, a treaty was concluded between the northern and southern tribes. Shows how leaders and priests write something with signs like runes on a stone. This is a treaty not to cross this wall, except for trade, but not to cross for military actions.

It was, one might say, a border line, a sign of a border, although there were no modern states then, only the territory of some tribes.

Maxim: Interesting.

19:08 Rigarius Rumi on alien bases in China.

Maxim: Are there any secret underground tunnels, passages in the Great Wall of China?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Under the wall and beyond, there are tunnels and passages that were made both at that time and later. There were passages made by people. I know you will ask if there are alien bases in that area of Earth.

Maxim: Of course.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Yes, there are alien bases in that area. In general, in Northern China, there are alien bases. At the present moment (shows Northern China, a map, some points, but I don't recognize it, as I don't know their names, you'd need to look at our map, but I see that it's Northern China and there are three bases).

(Irina) I see there is a base belonging to the planet Sho-Khariki, these are insectoids. There's also a Tashiga base there.

Maxim: Selbet's, probably.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): No, there's no Selbetian one there, it was there before but is mothballed.

(Irina) A base of some Rampsi. I don't know what planet that is, because it's in the Tumesout language, but he says it's a planet belonging to the Burhad colony.

20:51 Rigarius Rumi on the patronage of aliens over Earth's civilization.

Maxim: Okay. But since we've raised such an interesting topic, I'd like to ask you one question. Those Chinese who now live on both sides of this Great Wall of China strongly promote the dragon cult.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Yes.

Maxim: Tell me, please, what is that connected with? Did they have contacts, maybe with dragon-like civilizations? Or did these civilizations attack them? Or did governments enter into contact with such civilizations?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Yes, the ancestors of the Chinese, those very southern tribes against whom the wall was built, entered into contacts with both the Selbet civilization and other reptilian-type civilizations, for example, the planet Bahreish.

(Irina) Shows several planets that were in contact with them. Insectoid civilizations also entered into contacts with them. For this reason, the Chinese depicted statues and drawings of dragons on buildings, on clothing, on some temples – because the dragon was a symbol of wisdom for them. And they often depicted a dragon with a flame coming out of its mouth. This symbolized the light of truth coming from their mouths, because the dragons taught them.

Shows that the reptilian civilizations preferred to contact them because they had some kind of cooperation agreement.

Maxim: Then I'll ask another question: do these agreements, still used by the Reptilians with China, exist now?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): On the astral level, they continue to contact, but since there is no longer a base and no physical contacts, these agreements are no longer valid in their previous form. It's just history.

(Irina) Shows that this was an informational influence on pro-Chinese tribes in ancient times, just as the northern tribes, who became the ancestors of the Slavs, had an agreement with Shimor, with Burhad, that they would help them. And now these are more independent peoples. It was the same with the ancestors of the Chinese.

Maxim: But the answer is very interesting: so, to this day, on the astral level, the Chinese have contact with reptilian civilizations.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Now it's more free, as any civilizations of the Interstellar Union, and not only it, but generally any civilizations of the cosmos, on the astral level, can contact any person regardless of their race and nationality.

At that time, there were agreements among alien civilizations about which civilization would help which peoples more, that is, sort of channel resources. But now it's not like that, because your civilization almost immediately after the Ascension of Jesus Christ 2000 years ago reached a stage where you were left more to yourselves than you were 5000 years ago. That is, your civilization has reached a stage of maturation where it is necessary to show independent care for yourself.

And those agreements between civilizations that existed in ancient times were necessary because your civilization was very young then, and moreover, little time had passed since the devastating war that happened 12 thousand years ago. For this reason, the civilizations of the Interstellar Union agreed among themselves which of them would take patronage over specific tribes. This was an agreement within the Interstellar Union itself.

Maxim: I see. Thank you for such an interesting answer.

25:51 Rigarius Rumi on the energy-informational structure of the Chinese Wall.

Maxim: People ask: does the Great Wall of China have its own power and energy capable of filling a person?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): How to understand the word "its own"?

Maxim: The egregore of the Great Wall of China with its energy formations – does such a thing exist at all? It was built by a huge number of people, generations. They put their mental images into it, they revered it, they regarded it as a reconciliation of sides. Is there any energy in the Great Wall of China itself that can influence a person?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Energy exists in any object. As for the egregore, the image of the Great Wall of China is now embedded in the egregore of the Earth, and not just in one, but in many egregores, but most of all, of course, in those connected with the state of China (shows that it is their symbol).

Maxim: Yes, because they took this wall and made it a symbol.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): This image of the Great Wall of China is already embedded in the egregore of China as a symbol of statehood. Do you want to ask what kind of energy you can recharge from it?

Maxim: Yes.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): There are many different sections of the wall. There are portals that are open specifically to fine-material civilizations. You can recharge, exchange energy with them. You can connect to the egregore of China. You can connect to the Akashic Records of pre-Chinese chronology to read information about that period of the wall. It all depends on the tuning of a particular person and his consciousness: what he is tuned into, that layer of the energy-informational structure of the wall he will tune into. And there are many layers – both more ancient and more modern, and portals to plasmoid civilizations.

28:16 Rigarius Rumi on the symbolic meaning of the wall in our time.

Maxim: They ask: how can this Wall be used ecologically today for everyone besides tourism? How would you recommend using it further?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Use it for what?

Maxim: Maybe for some pilgrimage moments.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): That is tourism.

Maxim: Energy practices, for example.

Irina: (Rigarius Rumi) This is a historical wall, that is, a historical object, the image of which can be used as a reminder of how human civilization formed, what wars there were, what sacrifices humanity went to because of wars.

The reason for the creation of this wall was the desire of one people to isolate themselves from another people. And it was built for a very long time, and a lot of forces and resources were invested in it. A lot of time was spent on it, many died from hard, exhausting labor, from diseases, epidemics caused by the accumulation of people in that place.

And this wall serves as a reminder of what happens when one people tries to isolate itself from another people. It is like a symbol. Because many tribes that built it over a long time directed both financial and human resources to it, and thereby deprived their peoples of the benefits that it could have given them.

Maxim: Tell me, please, okay, we're analyzing the Great Wall of China now, but are there any other structures of this kind on Earth, walls, besides in China?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): There are no others exactly this long. But there are similar structures in different places on Earth: in South Asia, India, Pakistan (shows that fortresses surrounded by walls exist, even in the Caucasus, just showed an image).

(Irina) Remember when we traveled, we looked at those ancient fortresses?

Maxim: Yes.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): They are not as ancient, but they were still built to ward off attacks. But they don't have such a large scale.

31:33 Rigarius Rumi on the underwater large-scale structures of Earth.

Maxim: Tell me, please, that wall that we can see on Google maps from satellite images in the ocean along the entire perimeter of the globe, what is that wall?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): I don't know, I need to see what you mean.

Maxim: This white wall that is at the bottom of the ocean.

Irina: That didn't clarify the situation for him, shows.

Maxim: Are there currently any large walls that are buried under water?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Yes, underwater mountains, not even mountains, you know what a mountain range is?

Maxim: Yes.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): It's a mountain ridge. There are such places where these mountain ridges, which before the war 12 thousand years ago were on land, sank as a result of cataclysms. The first example I will give is the Arctic Ocean. At its bottom lies part of the common continent – the one called the country of Hyperborea.

Maxim: In the Arctic Ocean, yes?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Yes. And there, even according to the measurements of your scientists, there is a mountain chain at the bottom, and some mountains rise so close to the surface of the water that it interferes with navigating by depths.

(Irina) Shows, our ship is sailing, an icebreaker, according to his data this is the middle of the ocean, and the depth should be several kilometers, at least two or three kilometers, but a ledge appears, as if there are 100 meters to the land, to the bottom. And this is a mountain.

(Rigarius Rumi) And this mountain chain was on land before the war 12 thousand years ago. And there, by the way, was the civilization of the Hyperboreans, those inhabitants of Earth who lived before the war. Their remains still lie at the bottom along with their settlements, with everything they created. No one from the Interstellar Union has mass-extracted anything from there. Only some samples were taken, because there, on the Kola Peninsula and in the Murmansk region, there are also Interstellar Union bases that deal with this issue. That's the first ridge.

And the second one is in the Pacific Ocean, east of Central America, for example, a country like Costa Rica. Approximately 80 kilometers east of the coast of Costa Rica in the Pacific Ocean, there is also a mountain range, about 8 kilometers long, and it is hundreds of meters thick and over a kilometer high. These are also remains; there was land there before, and part of the continent sank.

Maxim: It's just that I can't explain it, it's a pity that I can't show Irina the images our satellite takes in the ocean right now. But you can see that there really is some kind of huge wall that goes through almost the entire ocean.

Irina: I'll show it myself, I know what you're talking about. These questions have actually come up before.

Maxim: Yes, and?

Irina: Maybe it was in some conference, but these questions have already been asked. I was shown photographs, I passed them on to my curators, I'll try to show them now. There was an answer that in those places where these lines are recorded, visible from the satellite, it's as if the map was just stitched together that way. There was such an answer that physically there is nothing in those places, the depth is uniform.

I remember that this was not a live broadcast, but some conference, and this question had already been asked. Such an answer was given by representatives of the Interstellar Union, but not Rigarius, it was others. There was an answer after viewing this map, because the one who led the conference provided it to me. Looking through me at this map, the representatives of the Interstellar Union said that according to the Interstellar Union's data, the depth there is uniform, and this line is some kind of digital artifact, drawn.

Maxim: Irina, don't you remember what that conference was called?

Irina: No, unfortunately, it was a very long time ago, and I don't even know if it's on YouTube or not. Because I don't remember all of them.

Maxim: I hope our administrators can find it.

Irina: Maybe they can. Because I don't know who edited it, I just remember the question and remember the answer, that's all. I can't say anything more. I remember that the person asking the questions sent me this drawing in the chat. I opened this drawing-map, zoomed in, and through me, the one who answered looked at it. I remember that clearly.

37:42 Rigarius Rumi on attempts to reconcile the ancient warring tribes.

Maxim: There's an interesting movie that shows that the Great Wall of China protected the people from some strange creatures. Were there, besides hybrids of extraterrestrial civilizations, any other creatures that could attack ancient tribes, and could this wall also protect them?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): There is no such data.

Maxim: There's no such data. Thank you.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): The thing is, I myself flew to Earth as part of an expedition at that time – as I said, I am 8205 years old. And at the time when this wall was being built, and at the time when they were fighting, I flew to Earth repeatedly and participated in numerous attempts by the Interstellar Union to reconcile the tribes with each other. But it ended with both tribes accusing our expedition and other civilizations of the Interstellar Union of favoring their opponents.

Maxim: Yes, human nature is such: no matter how much you help one side, the other side will say you're against them.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): For example, it happened that we said: "You need to reconcile, forgive each other, meet with each other." To which both sides replied: "How can we forgive them if they did this and that?"

Maxim: Right, why forgive? You can just kill each other.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Yes, we asked them: "What is the point of just fighting and killing each other?" To which the answer was given that the point is that the strongest will win and he will restore justice.

39:33 Rigarius Rumi on Reptilians, Asian tribes, and free will.

Maxim: So we answered the question of why the Chinese revere dragons so much: because they had contact.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): They helped precisely the southern Asian tribes; the reptilian civilizations led by Selbet took patronage over them.

Maxim: It's clear now why China has everything so strictly delineated, everywhere control and everything else. The Reptilians told us that they love when everything is under control and they don't really like free will. Okay.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Free will can be different. If you look at God, He gave free will, but this free will leads to consequences. And if a person chose something by free will, and suffering overtook him, then for him, this is already a limitation of freedom, because he did not receive the happiness he was striving for.

40:34 Rigarius Rumi on the existence of hybrids of earthlings and Reptilians in China.

Maxim: Do you know why the Chinese call their totem dragon 'Lung'?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Lung?

Maxim: Lung, yes, do you know?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): That's in their language, I haven't studied Earth languages, I always communicated through an automatic translator.

Maxim: Okay, I see.

Why do the emperors of China consider themselves children of the dragon?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Spiritual children, they learned from the Reptilians.

Maxim: Learned from the Reptilians?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Yes, there were such experiments with these tribes. Naturally, the aliens entered into contacts with them, naturally, they also created hybrids with them, as far as that was possible due to the difference in genetic material. Because reptilian civilizations are still farther from earthlings genetically than anthropomorphic ones, and there was a limited possibility to create healthy and stable hybrids.

But such experiments took place. And often such hybrids became leaders, and then, of course, a leader could call himself an emperor. Even if only a few thousand people in a dozen villages were under his command, he could very well say, "I am an emperor." Why not?

Maxim: So, there were hybrids between representatives of dragon civilizations and the Chinese?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Of course. There is even a planet where hybrids of Selbet and earthlings live to this day.

Maxim: What, did these hybrids come out, were they seen: altered skin, consciousness, eyes? I mean, people actually saw them?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Naturally, they were their rulers.

Maxim: Why hasn't this been preserved anywhere in the chronicles?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): It has been preserved. You need to look at the descriptions of the emperors who came from heaven.

Maxim: Descriptions of emperors who came from heaven?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): There are descriptions of their appearance there. I just don't study this issue.

Maxim: Interesting.

Irina: Can you imagine: an emperor sat down and tucked his tail?!

42:54 Rigarius Rumi on the ancestors of European peoples.

Maxim: Which aliens currently curate the Chinese race?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): There is no strict distribution. Everyone who wants to, just like with other races.

Maxim: And which civilization existed on the territory of Russia when the Chinese Wall began to be built?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Aryan tribes.

Maxim: Aryan tribes, yes?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): The ancestors of European peoples, as well as the peoples of the Caucasus and Central Asia.

43:35 Rigarius Rumi on the flaws of digital satellite photographs.

Maxim: Regarding whether the white wall exists on the ocean floor, we have already answered that it's a map overlay. Such a large white wall does not exist.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): There is no large one, but there are separate mountain chains that sank. And they are also white, because they are often composed of limestone.

Maxim: Actually, it is described as a wall: a kilometer high, 100 meters wide. That is probably the mountain chain you talked about?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): It is near Central America. And those islands that are there, including the Galapagos Islands, were just the peaks of mountains, and there are also elevations of the terrain, parts of the continent that sank.

Maxim: Question: Is there a connection between the Great White Wall and the Greenwich Meridian? Probably not, there's probably no direct connection?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): The thing is, your satellites take digital photographs of the Earth, then they are stitched together, and at these stitching places, such stripes appear. That happens. If you've ever opened any electronic maps, you've probably seen that some stripes exist on the continents too. I don't know if you've seen that?

Maxim: Yes, I have.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Well, that's because the map was joined, the photographs were joined.

Maxim: Tell me, please, for the Great Wall of China, did representatives of extraterrestrial civilizations provide technologies, or did they themselves participate in its construction?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): If they wanted to, they participated. Of course, it's unlikely they could do it for long, but they could send bio-robots. As for themselves carrying bricks and stacking them – it's unlikely anyone was interested in that. Although, if someone wanted to have some fun, it wasn't forbidden, at least.

45:44 Rigarius Rumi on the portals of the Great Wall of China.

Maxim: And you said that somewhere, in some places of the Great Wall of China, there are portals. How were these portals formed, by whom, and for what?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): By fine-material civilizations for exchanging energies with the Earth, with the tribes that lived there. Ceremonies related to plasmoid civilizations were also held there, including sacrifice rituals: there were human sacrifices and animal sacrifices. To sort of speed up the construction of this wall, to make resources appear, to make the weather favorable there. Many different nuances.

They constantly prayed to their gods for this construction to be completed.

Maxim: Dear friends, I'll ask a couple more questions now, and then I'll move to the "Q&A. Live Broadcast" chat and will ask the last questions from there that you will write. So, move to the "Q&A. Live Broadcast. Cassiopeia" chat. And from there, after a couple of questions, I will ask all the remaining ones that we can answer with Irina and Rigarius.

47:04 Rigarius Rumi on the Tower of Babel.

Maxim: Was Siberia densely populated by cities in ancient times?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): In which ancient times?

Maxim: Five thousand years ago, when the Great Wall of China began to be built.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): There were settlements, although not so densely populated. But they were in Siberia, Altai, and the North. All of that existed.

Maxim: There were, yes?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Yes. Time had already passed after the dispersal of peoples.

I remind you that a thousand years after the end of the war 12 thousand years ago, that is, about 11 thousand years ago, earthlings attempted to reach the alien lunar base using a spaceship they built using their knowledge of nuclear fusion. This is what you call the Tower of Babel. After this, it was decided to disperse people, give them many languages, and create several races so that they would accelerate the evolution of earth civilization and build, from different peoples using different languages, a civilization that would carry the idea of unity.

Why many? I know they often ask why they decided to teach unity through division. Because only by overcoming xenophobia, hatred, and hostility towards each other can you build a truly united civilization. That's the means.

Maxim: Please answer this interesting question: do you view the Time Line for Earth at all or not?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): I can tune in if needed; I have studied history and futurology.

Maxim: If I ask you, is there a probability in the Time Line of China conquering most of Eurasia? And how realistic are the predictions of the cruel behavior of Chinese invaders on Russian lands?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): This needs to be viewed: for what period, what exactly to look at? A request needs to be made. Right now, I am in contact with Irina, and it's impossible to do that simultaneously.

Maxim: I see. I'm moving to the "Q&A. Live Broadcast" chat. And I'll try to ask questions from there that are the very latest. Let's start with the last question.

49:54 Rigarius Rumi on disagreements in chronology.

Maxim: "Why was the calendar changed on the whole Earth after the conclusion of peace in the Star Temple? After all, peace was concluded only in one part of it."

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Who changed it?

Maxim: It doesn't say, unfortunately.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): They didn't change it, yes, I understand the question. The thing is, according to our data, the conclusion of peace in the Star Temple is an image of the end of the war that happened 5000 years ago. But it says there that the conclusion of peace was seven and a half thousand years ago. It's just that the one who recorded this information calculated 5000 years BC. That is, it was already recorded by modern interpreters of that knowledge, and they added the 2000 years that were after the birth of Christ.

Yes, such contradictions sometimes arise, because some people think that these events happened earlier than 5000 years ago.

For some, the events were simply 5000 years ago, but some people understood it as 5000 years BC, and those 2500 years they added.

Maxim: I see.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Although 7500 years ago, that is, 2000 years now and 5000 years BC, there was no such war, that is, the universal wars I spoke about.

51:45 Rigarius Rumi on the Chinese "Book of Changes".

Maxim: A question: do you know what the Chinese "Book of Changes" is?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): I know. It is a philosophical work that describes energies, states of energies, space, the state of human energy, the state of reality through the images perceived by contactees in that people. And they wrote it through their perception. It is used for reflection, for divination, for meditations.

Maxim: I see. And who transmitted the information regarding the "Book of Changes"?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Oh, many people.

Maxim: Many, yes?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Yes. You need to look specifically at plasmoid civilizations, humanoid ones, and the Spiritual World. It's a whole collection, because it wasn't written by one person, but many wrote it.

52:56 Rigarius Rumi on underwater research.

Maxim: Here's a question from Alexander Babich in the chat. Irina, I'll show you, then I'll show all the viewers. There are such traces in the Black Sea. Let me try to show it. Nothing is visible!

Irina: I can see it, show me.

Maxim: Here, traces in the Black Sea. He asks: "What are these traces?"

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Look for yourself: does this look like a wall?

Maxim: No, it's in the Black Sea, just traces. Are there any, let's say, old roads?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): In the sea?

Maxim: On the seabed.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): And how will you see this line under water on the seabed? It's clear that they were drawn from above.

Maxim: But you can see some formations down there, dark mountain ridges.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Where?

Maxim: Here they are.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): That's a change in depth.

Maxim: A change in depth.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Water doesn't show underwater formations like that. They aren't depicted like that.

Maxim: Ah, two lines are going! Here they are, two lines going as if some cart was moving or a line.

Irina: But you can see it's a dashed line.

Maxim: No, there they are, not these dashed ones, but these here.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): When they were photographed from above by satellite, there was wind and waves. And so they simply photographed these irregularities.

But the image of underwater objects underwater will be different; nothing will be visible on the surface. They can only be photographed with a special device that indicates depths. Take now, fly over the Don River, for example, or over the lake where you live. What will you see from above, even from a height of several kilometers, on the bottom of the lake? Nothing.

Maxim: I see. Okay, guys, this question needs to be asked more competently.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Look, you can conduct an experiment. When you're flying on an airplane over some sea or lake, look down, can you see the bottom? Even just the bottom. What color is it? What's there?

Imagine that a ship sank somewhere, at a certain depth. It's not searched for from a plane at all. Because you can't see anything – the water hides what lies at the bottom. It's not transparent enough to see with the naked eye, let alone photograph what is there. Underwater volcanoes, underwater mountains are searched for differently: you sail on a ship and use a special ultrasonic sensor to send ultrasonic waves into the water, they reflect from the bottom and are captured by a special receiver, and a graph is drawn showing what the depth is.

Maxim: I see. So these are such drawings that can simply be superimposed on the images, and it all depends on who drew them.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Yes, what is shown by the dashed line.

Maxim: The dashed line – no, that's just a map. But these, resembling caterpillar tracks.

Irina: How can there be a caterpillar track on the surface of the water? They are photographing the surface of the water from above, not the bottom.

Maxim: But then they study the depths with instruments, and it turns out that there are some hollows that look like caterpillar tracks.

Irina: How is that? I didn't see anything resembling caterpillar tracks there. I just saw different colors of water, that's all.

Maxim: Guys, come to our conferences, send photos, ask your questions. We don't mind. We have the opportunity to connect with extraterrestrial civilizations. We again urge all scientists to conferences, to feedback. So come out, we will broadcast everything we have.

And so, I probably don't see any more questions.

Viktor Zykov writes: "I heard a version that the Chinese Wall was also an ancient gas pipeline. Inside it, there are channels that were used to transport natural gas. Is this true?"

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): No.

Maxim: Viktor, unfortunately, 22 thousand kilometers of wall is not a great Chinese gas pipeline.

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Very interesting. There was no gas extraction at that time.

Maxim: Yes, so basically, I don't see any more questions here. Now, maybe I'll find one more question, the very last one. Write in the "Q&A. Live Broadcast. Cassiopeia" chat. Now I'll try, probably, to go back to YouTube, just two seconds. It's just that we have a trap here.

58:47 Rigarius Rumi on settlements at the bottom of the Black and Mediterranean Seas.

Maxim: They ask: is there any sunken city at the bottom of the Black Sea?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Villages.

Maxim: There are villages, yes?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Yes. In the place of the Black Sea, there used to be villages. As in the place of the Mediterranean Sea. And all this was flooded with water because of the war 12 thousand years ago. There was no Mediterranean or Black Sea there, there were just lakes connected by rivers. And the water was fresh, that is, it appeared from a rupture located on the border of the Mediterranean Sea and the Atlantic Ocean. It wasn't there.

Maxim: It wasn't there before, yes?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): There was no strait.

59:35 Rigarius Rumi on the appearance of Selbetian-Chinese hybrids.

Maxim: And can you describe what the hybrids of the Selbetians and Chinese look like? You saw them, right?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Yes, of course.

Maxim: Please describe, what skin color, what eyes, pupils? Is there hair on the body?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): They look like people, only without hair. They are like bald people, and they have small scales. Their height is taller than earthlings, about two meters, sometimes more. They have no tails. Skin color like people, just scales on the skin.

Maxim: Scales. And claws, nails, fingers?

Irina: And rougher skin, shows, like a lizard. And the color is kind of grayish. If you saw this person, you would immediately understand that something is wrong, because he has rougher facial features, narrow lips, like a lizard. And I also see such yellow eyes and vertical pupils.

Maxim: Wow, amazing!

Irina: People with vertical pupils!

Maxim: Do they possess any superpowers: telekinesis, telepathy, mind reading?

Irina: I now see a special color on their faces – somewhat greenish-grayish. Gray with a greenish tint. Yes, with a tint. And facial features resemble human ones. Unlike reptilians, they have, for example, a nose like a human. A somewhat square face, I see ears slightly behind, the auricles are positioned like that. Reptilians just have a membrane there, but in these hybrids, the auricles are more similar to human ones. Such as the Selbetians don't have.

These are humanoids that combine features of both reptiles and humans, but they still look more like humans than reptilians. And they give birth to children; they did not inherit the ability to lay eggs.

Maxim: They didn't give birth to children before?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): No, they gave birth to children, they were no longer cold-blooded. Only some features in the form of scales, and in the form of narrow vertical pupils, eye color.

And hair. I see they have no hair. They are sort of bald, meaning such heads. And on the arms, on the chest, there are some small hairs, but again, less than in humans.

They were like people, but with some reptilian features. They could not add more genes, for example, to make them egg-laying too, because it was incompatible with humans at the time these hybrids were created.

Maxim: I see. Thank you very much.

The last question I will ask now: where does the water come from on the top of mountains that forms waterfalls?

Irina (as Rigarius Rumi): Springs, glaciers, rains, it collects there due to atmospheric phenomena. Snow, rain (shows how water freezes, then melts, inside the mountains there can also be springs).

Maxim: It seems to me that this is some kind of IQ test question.

Irina: Yes. Do I need to say that it's brought to the top?

Maxim: I want to thank Rigarius. And you, Irina, I also want to thank for transmitting the information.

Guys, once again a big request to you: YouTube has slowed down a lot. If you are watching on VK, please like and subscribe to our channels, because we really need your help in spreading information now.

Not everyone likes this information, and I would, of course, like to address those people who don't know us, who are worried about relatives supposedly ending up in some strange sect.

Dear friends, we have no sects! We have a Project, and we will be happy to answer all your questions. Do not worry: we are not enslaving anyone, we are not demanding anything from anyone, we have no mandatory payments! For us, if it's a non-travel event, all information is given with payment from the heart, meaning you yourself set the payment you consider equal for the transmission of spiritual knowledge. Everything else, I think, we'll sort out.

And thank you very much for trusting us, for supporting us! Be sure to like, comment, and subscribe either to our channel or to our social network where you are watching this video.

Dear friends, goodbye everyone! See you soon!

Irina: Thank you all! See you soon!

July 27, 2025

Conference participants:
Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, fine-material civilizations, and the Spiritual World;
Maxim Rusan – head of the "Cassiopeia" project and the Center for Spiritual and Physical Development;
Rigarius Rumi – representative of the planet Tumesout, specialist in the study of the ancient history of the 158th sector of the Galaxy, which includes Earth.

https://blog.cassiopeia.center/vojna-v-mahabharate

Cassiopeia #200 The War in the Mahabharata, message from the Coalition Observation Unit, the Great Wall of China, expedition to Antarctica.

00:46 Alien objects at the bottom of seas and oceans.

Maxim: Question: At the bottom of the Gulf of Bothnia, at a depth of 75 meters, lies a disc-shaped object 60 meters in diameter and 4 meters thick, discovered in 2011. Is anything known about it?

Irina: The Gulf of Bothnia, I think it's the Baltic Sea, yes?

Maxim: Yes, somewhere around there.

Irina: Somewhere there in the North. No, it's not the Arctic Ocean. I don't have any map, what does "go online and look at the map" mean? Yes, I understand you don't know our names.

Maxim: Let me rephrase the question. At the bottom of the seas and oceans on Earth, are there currently any aircraft from old civilizations or their wreckage?

Irina: Those left from the time of the war and those that were shot down later, yes?

Maxim: Yes.

Irina: Yes, there are. Most of them remain from the war 12 thousand years ago. They fell into the ocean that was unified. There were also probes or drones that could also have fallen. With further movements of the earth's crust and catastrophes, they could end up in any sea connected to the ocean. Now, when exploring these seas, various devices can be found. I want to emphasize right away that if any device is found by researchers, your military and special services will take it under their control. If it's possible to pull it out at 100 meters, they will pull it out, but without scientists. It might not be possible, depending on the depth.

03:15 Wars between tribes in the epic "Mahabharata". Use of weapons by aliens during rescue operations. Radiation background. Burnt-out cities.

Maxim: Yes, that makes sense. Question: Where did the battle described in the "Mahabharata" take place? Who fought whom, what was the cause, what technologies were used, and when was it? Are the events described in the "Mahabharata" the great war of the Tumesoutians and Burhadians with the Selbetians 12 thousand years ago?

Irina: GomrishRid answers: "The war described in the 'Mahabharata' was much later, between earthly tribes, but not only between the Pandavas and Kauravas, as described there. It describes the struggle of many tribes among themselves from the period 7 thousand years ago to the period 4-5.5 thousand years ago. The book was written over a long period.

It states that many tribes engaged in battle with each other. As I said earlier, those aliens whose bases were not hidden, as now, often came into contact with these tribes. Sometimes they supported these wars with their weapons. Sometimes people attacked some of the aliens who were in the city at the time. During a rescue operation, they could destroy the city. For example, the case of Sodom and Gomorrah."

Maxim: In connection with this, burnt-out cities are sometimes found in India, for example?

Irina: Burnt-out cities are a very broad concept. You need to determine by the nature of the destruction, whether it was a fire of wooden buildings, or...

Maxim: As scientists suggest, the impact of a nuclear explosion, because of the high radiation background, according to information from various sources.

Irina: The radiation background may not only be from a nuclear explosion; it can be from the impact of different types of rays and radiations that create long-term energy release of the second level. That is, from different causes, not only from a nuclear explosion.

Maxim: So this does not indicate that it was a nuclear explosion in that zone, yes?

Irina: It could be a weapon of a different nature, but it can cause radioactivity.

06:08 Message from the Union of Worlds - Pleiadians to earthlings through the media. Message from the KON. Internal changes – the path for earthlings to join the Interstellar Union.

Maxim: I see. A very interesting question. In 1929, an unusual radio transmission was picked up on the 75-meter wave. Someone calling himself Nikomo and introducing himself as a messenger of an alien civilization, for two hours in different languages, read a certain memorandum, now called the Message of the Coalition Observation Unit. What do our interstellar friends know about this case, who transmitted the information, and how true is it?

Irina: It was a unit that we call not the Observation Unit, but the Union of Worlds. These are the Pleiadians. The Union includes Futhissa, the planet Kkhatur, there are colonies of Burhad. Futhissa is the main one. Not the planet itself, but some figures on it: scientists, politicians, military. The Union they belong to wants to include Earth in the Galactic Federation of Light. They understand and have understood that Earth is not ready. In this state, they do not want to include Earth in the GFL. But some of their politicians and political movements wish to intervene in the situation on Earth to forcibly change the laws. For example, to ban wars or to instill ideas of disarmament into the minds of politicians, etc. But they cannot instill it against their will: there is the law of free will given by God. They are trying to give information not through contactees, but through mass media to a large number of people. This is done with the help of transmitting television stations, creating a frequency on radio waves that is several orders of magnitude more powerful than the power of television broadcasts in the air.

Maxim: So the so-called KON message is the real three messages that were on our radio frequencies?

Irina: There was one. In '29, it was the Pleiadians. They don't know their names. The message contained a call for people to change their minds in order to join the Galactic Federation of Light.

The specialist who transmitted the message is personally acquainted with Ashtar Sheran, and at that time he worked with him. Since they live for a long time, perhaps he still works there. It would be good to talk to Ashtar Sheran about this. He could be invited, if they still work together, to clarify.

The Interstellar Union has always been against interference through the media, because analysis of what is happening on Earth shows that the Pleiadians have achieved nothing. And Earth's scientific and power structures declared this transmission a fake, which did not help prove the existence of alien life.

Maxim: Well, yes, it was discredited.

Irina: It is possible that Earth's special services found people who, under pressure, agreed to confess publicly that they did it. They do not know that it was the Pleiadians.

The idea of the Interstellar Union is that the only real way to join the Interstellar Union or the Galactic Federation of Light, or both, is through internal changes, if Earth so desires.

The internal changes of every earthling and his sincere desire to follow the path of Light and raise the younger generation in this ideology, not mass contacts in voice form.

Rigarius Rumi added that this will lead to success. By raising their vibrations through love, acceptance, faith, forgiveness, and all high-vibration states, the earth's people will cleanse their noosphere and attract higher Spirits for incarnation. By doing so, they will saturate the political egregores of their countries with high-vibration energy, and then it will be easier for high-vibration Spirits to come to governance.

Maxim: I see, I agree.

12:32 Earthlings' readiness to accept high-vibration laws. Creating a positive image of the Interstellar Union through books, films. Adoption of the laws of the Galactic Federation of Light is impossible without changing the consciousness of politicians. Armed conflict with politicians is a short-sighted move.

Irina: And then changes in laws will be inevitable. As soon as the people are ready to accept higher-vibration laws that exclude conscious violence, rulers will appear. The egregore and their mentors will bring them. They will adopt new laws that the majority of earthlings will support. They will gradually disarm, clean up nature, abolish the death penalty. Earthlings will not be able to live differently. And those who follow a destructive path of development will be in the minority.

Maxim: Well, yes, I see. You've already talked a lot about this in our various conferences.

Irina: This path is the most correct from our point of view, pinpoint, not fast, but effective. Rigarius Rumi says that the Pleiadians who sent the Coalition Observation Unit were groups of curators from Ashtar Sheran's team. They have been in contact with various contactees.

It is possible that Ashtar Sheran is aware of this operation, but it is unknown how he feels about it. We haven't spoken to him about it. It would be better if these curators inspired contactees to write a science fiction book or story that creates a positive image of the Interstellar Union and Earth that has joined it. The story could be filmed. This image could educate many generations of people.

Maxim: Yes, I agree. Perhaps we will do this in "Cassiopeia", why not? We have communicated with representatives of Futhissa. They expressed the opinion about the elimination of destructive people on the planet. You know their politics and philosophy. People's opinions are divided. Those who listened to the conference, many of them are inclined to think: "Let's turn to the Futhissians. Let them remove all this filth, and then we will live as if in paradise." Do you think this is the wrong option?

Irina: Filth, what is meant?

Maxim: Politics that create destructive laws designed for profit, income, power, and so on.

Irina: Firstly, it's not filth, but also incarnated Spirits...

Maxim: That's how our people express it.

Irina: ...who have tasks for this incarnation. Overthrowing these rulers is impossible without military intervention at this stage of your science and technology. Even the Galactic Federation of Light would not agree to this because their bases, the bases of the Interstellar Union, are located on Earth. That's firstly.

Secondly, if you enter into an armed military conflict with those earth forces that will oppose the Galactic Federation of Light, then your politicians, under threat of death, will agree to accept the Galactic Federation of Light and its laws, but without internal change. It will only be a semblance. It will lead to the fact that after creating fair laws and flying back, or staying on Earth as observers and patrons, the Galactic Federation of Light will create a partisan movement behind their backs. By those politicians who feignedly, without experiencing metanoia, a change of mind, agreed under threat of death to accept the star power.

Maxim: They remained at the level of animal instincts.

Irina: Under the influence of violence against themselves. They will convince earthlings that these are invaders who have come and need to be overthrown. Invaders should not rule the Earth. They are using our resources, using us for their own purposes, poisoning us with poisons so that we die. Much can be invented. Rigarius Rumi believes this is a short-sighted move. Not of all Futhissa, but of the faction that advocates for it.

Maxim: It's all clear. So the Coalition Observation Unit is a real unit that transmitted information in 1929.

Irina: A group of Pleiadians.

18:00 Ban on interference in earthlings' military actions using alien weapons. Intervention in case of threat to aliens.

Maxim: All clear, okay. Here's another interesting question. From various sources, there is information that aliens helped the Russians in World War II against Germany. An event near Prokhorovka is described: aircraft appeared and stopped the fascist tanks. Is this real, did that happen?

Irina: What does "helped" mean? How?

Maxim: I'm describing a specific case: there was an advance of fascist tanks, and aircraft appeared over the field. All the tanks were incinerated, and the advance ended there. Could such a thing have happened?

Irina: The Interstellar Union observed the war, but there was no direct intervention. According to the Interstellar Union's data, there was no direct intervention by alien weapons – that's prohibited.

Maxim: So, if it did happen, it was an uncontrolled situation, or no one could have done such a thing?

Irina: According to our data, such an event has not been recorded. If there are any specific details, exactly what was incinerated, where it was, date, time, appearance of the ships, then we will give our answer.

Five or six thousand years ago, some specialists of the Interstellar Union participated in such things, but after a few centuries it was strictly forbidden to interfere with their military equipment in earthly ones. That is, if the event posed a danger to alien ships – tanks aimed their guns and started shooting – and they were equipped with weapons, then they could, in self-defense, incinerate a tank or ship, but not to help.

20:25 Two meanings of the Star of Bethlehem: astronomical and alien. The Star of Bethlehem in a planetary parade. Prophecy of the Mashiach.

Maxim: I see. Such a possibility could have happened. Okay, then the next question. What is the Star of Bethlehem?

Irina: The Star of Bethlehem is a dual concept. The first is an astrological phenomenon of the conjunction of planets – a planetary parade in one of the constellations that the magi saw. It was a sign that they should come to Israel, because a great king of all nations was born there. They understood it as a deity. Following the text written by the Apostle Matthew, we see that the magi first came not to Bethlehem, but to Jerusalem. Why didn't the star lead them to Bethlehem? Why did they need to go to Jerusalem?

Seeing the astrological phenomenon in their eastern country, they calculated a horoscope. Drawing a circle, they saw that a great man, a king, would be born in Israel. I am shown the Persian Gulf, slightly east and northeast. The magi reasoned: a king could be born in the capital of the state – in Israel. Each constellation for them corresponded to a certain state.

They thought that if the king was born on the territory of Israel, they should go to the capital; the king lives in the capital. Coming to Jerusalem, they began to inquire. They were taken to King Herod, but he had not heard of this boy. His son was not born at that time.

The magi insisted that the child was nevertheless born. The incarnation according to the horoscope pointed to a king, a major ruler, a very high Spirit, whom they wanted to worship as God and bring gifts. They were delighted, because for generations their priests had long predicted the appearance of such a Spirit. They were waiting for him. The Spiritual world was also aware of what had happened.

The king summoned the Levites and scribes to investigate. Herod guessed that they were talking about the Christ, because prophecies of his birth were known in Israel. In Hebrew, he was called the Mashiach.

He invited people who were engaged in deciphering the prophecy about the Mashiach. In the prophecy, the word "Bethlehem" was written, specifying a city. Herod realized that it was not about his descendant, but about someone else. He became frightened, as the prophecies spoke of his overthrow when the boy grew up.

The king told the magi to go to Bethlehem, worship the child, then return and inform him so that he too could go and worship. It is clear with what intention.

There were many houses in Bethlehem, and it was difficult to locate the infant. The magi's curators, among whom were Burhadians, raised their ship to a low altitude, and it, in the form of a star, hovered over that house, showing the way. The rest of the story is known.

26:00 Centuries-old conflicts between northern and southern Asian peoples. Construction of the Great Wall of China.

Maxim: Okay, I see. Then the following question. For what purpose was the Great Wall of China built, and who built it?

Irina: I am shown a picture. This is Lokharma Togri from the planet Tashig. I'll tune in now. He gives a figure. The wall was very ancient; it was rebuilt, supplemented, destroying old structures, and erecting new ones in their place.

The original structures are very ancient. They are attributed to the period indicated in the Mahabharata. There were series of wars 5-5.5 thousand years ago. There was one of the world wars. Many tribes participated in it, settling across the territory. Division of territories, conflicts due to different lineages: someone refused to give their daughter to some leader. There were many reasons.

Maxim: So there was a global war?

Irina: A series of small conflicts over about six hundred to seven hundred years.

Maxim: Someone isolated themselves from someone with such a wall?

Irina: Since many died in this war, it all ended with the dispersal of peoples. The rest began to live in remote territories.

One stage of the conflict was the struggle between the southern and northern nationalities, those who are now in Central Asia and further south. Southern Siberia and Mongolia were a border territory for those who lived further south. They became the ancestors of the Chinese, Koreans, Mongols, and Asian peoples. The northern ones are the ancestors of the Slavs, Tatars, partly Azerbaijanis, and their mixtures.

There was a serious conflict on the border territory. When the war ended, both sides suffered such losses that victory was a fiction; there were no winners. I mean the whole war.

After the last battle, the entire field was strewn, as they liked to say, with bones and corpses. Those who lived further north, the ancestors of the Slavs, decided to isolate themselves from those to the south, not only to protect themselves from attack, but also to show all their people that they live separately and do not want any contacts.

Maxim: They started building a wall?

Irina: Yes, they began to build it. He shows me. The wall was built from bricks, clay, and wooden sections. Between long boards, he shows me, they poured clay inside and tamped it down. On the inner side of the wall, they could place some spears, under which they would make a place for fires. They would hang cauldrons of boiling water on these spears to tip over in case of an attack. Thank you for the image. They just showed it to me in action.

Maxim: So, defending against the southern neighbors?

Irina: Yes. Slightly higher than the main wall, small towers were made. One or several people could enter each one and point something like long spears into the opening, remaining in safety. They were protected by the earth laid inside the wall, and through the window they kept attackers at bay.

The entrances were on the north side, and the windows faced south. I want to emphasize: the wall was not built only for protection against raids. For the wall to protect, you need many guards. They did not always have the necessary number of guards on the wall. There were many wars later, in which the wall was crossed in both directions.

The meaning of the wall was not so much in military protection, but in showing subsequent generations that they were fencing themselves off from all contacts, including trade. There were shepherds on both sides, so that even livestock would not cross over.

Maxim: So the animosity was so strong that they decided to show it to subsequent generations?

33:13 The Dragon symbol – a sign of the race's power. The Dragon symbol among the Slavs. The symbol of Christianity's victory over pagan religions – Archangel Michael piercing a satyr. The symbol of the power and strength of Gods – animal horns.

Irina: Yes, to show that they were alien to them and that they had suffered great damage because of them. They considered them guilty of the war. The opposing side thought differently. The result: they isolated themselves. The ancestors of the Chinese had many contacts with insectoids and reptilians, more than the Slavic peoples. There were contacts with Selbet, its colonies, and with reptilians from other colonies.

Maxim: So that's why the dragon is a symbol for them?

Irina: The dragon was a symbol of strength and power, as they received much knowledge from these civilizations. On the ships and clothing of the reptilians, there were symbols of a dragon spewing flames. They were not drawn in the form of aliens. For them, the dragon was a symbol, like for the Russians there is the symbol of an Angel with wings. A sign of the race's power. And the tongue of flame meant the all-illuminating power of the true word.

Maxim: Yes, that all makes sense.

Irina: The northern peoples, with a slight advantage – more military forces remained – considered themselves the victors in this war. They created a sign that carried over into Christianity: a man slaying a dragon.

Maxim: Yes, yes. Archangel Michael.

Irina: Sitting on a horse, meaning a warrior.

Maxim: Did that originate from this confrontation?

Irina: It was born at that time. Both adults and children drew: our warrior defeated the peoples whose mentors were reptilians, dragons. The dragon was a symbol of these peoples, including for the northern ancestors of the Slavs.

Maxim: Interesting. And where did the sign appear – in some Russian cities – of Archangel Michael piercing with a spear not a dragon, but a devil with horns or a demon?

Irina: This is a symbol of Christianity's victory over pagan religions. The devil with horns, as you called it, is an image of plasmoid civilizations, which were depicted as satyrs. They were companions of Dionysus and had this zoomorphic type. The zoomorphic type is taken by many plasmoids because they create the Souls of animals.

Maxim: They appeared to contactees in such an image?

Irina: Yes, many of the plasmoids made contact – spirits of forests, fields.

Maxim: I see. Hence the images of elves, forest fairies. They also took these images?

Irina: Many of them took the form with horns and hooves. Even the main gods were depicted with horns: Apis. This was a zoomorphic type of bull. Many Babylonian gods have horns. Horns denoted the strength and power of that god. That's how the plasmoid presented itself.

He understood that he was contacting a people engaged in cattle breeding. For these people, the symbol of might and strength was the horn of an animal.

38:05 Gathering to end the war and peace in the Star Temple.

Maxim: A question related to the previous one. You explained the Chinese Wall. Since there was a great war, our sources have information, particularly in the Slavic Vedas, that more than 7 thousand years ago, peace was concluded between these groups, from which the calendar of 7,500 from the creation of the world in the Star Temple originated. Is this a real event?

Irina: World peace?

Maxim: From the creation of the world in the Star Temple.

Irina: Yes. 7,500 years ago is approximately five thousand years before the birth of Christ. The event took place.

Maxim: So this is a real event when the two sides made peace?

Irina: Perhaps a little later, but not much.

Maxim: So this is a real peace treaty between the two sides?

Irina: Possibly. If it was passed down precisely by the tales of some generations, then it is quite possible. How the chronology was kept and when it was interrupted needs to be researched.

Maxim: In ancient sources, they find monuments with a figure of over seven thousand years from the creation of the world in the Star Temple.

Irina: GomrishRid from Shimor is speaking now. The Star Temple is possibly a designation for a gathering of people who decided to stop the war and appoint peace. Their curators from the stars were also there, hence they called it the "Star Temple".

Maxim: Yes, quite logical.

40:16 "New Swabia" or alien bases in Antarctica. Attempt by the military to seize the Tashigan and Disnitovian bases in Antarctica.

Maxim: Then a question. Is it true that Hitler founded New Swabia? What devices attacked Admiral Byrd in 1947 when he went on reconnaissance with a large fleet? What flying saucers attacked them, and before that, attacked the Soviet expedition sent to verify the event. Is New Swabia a fact?

Irina: Yes, that happened. It's not Swabia, but alien bases. The Germans sent an expedition after a trip by a detachment to Tibet that was with the NKVD before the war. Did I tell you or not?

Maxim: Yes, yes.

Irina: That story. Then they attempted to break in, having received a map from a Tashigan contactee.

Maxim: To Antarctica?

Irina: Yes. They wanted to break into this base, but they were destroyed. I don't know where this video is. Maybe there is a separate one. Did you watch it?

Maxim: Yes. I know what you're talking about.

Irina: They say that it happened.

Maxim: Could it be that the US Navy in the person of Admiral Byrd, knowing this information, sent an expedition to Antarctica and got their heads handed to them.

Irina: Yes. There was already a Disnitovian base there.

Maxim: So the Americans tried to penetrate there after the Germans?

Irina: Yes, and later the Russians tried.

Maxim: And they all got their heads handed to them?

Irina: Of course. They tried to penetrate the base and shoot. The Americans penetrated the Disnitovian one in a submarine. From a distance, as they sailed into the underwater cave, it seemed to the military that there was a window. There was no water in the cave.

They fired rockets, thinking there were robots there. What they actually were were devices that created an electromagnetic field that held the water back so it wouldn't flood the inside.

The devices looked like shiny pillars, like antennas. The Americans thought the pillars were Nazi structures, like cannons that would shoot. And they fired first. The torpedo hit the pillars, the electromagnetic field collapsed, and water gushed into the base.

The Disnitovians were deeper in the rooms. They saw the incoming water. It was ruining the instruments. The Disnitovians pressed a button to clear the rooms of water. Special devices built into the ceiling turned the water into steam using high temperature. They explained to me: they directed plasma. Plasma – hydrogen with helium at a high temperature of several thousand kelvins – poured into the passage where the submarine was, and it melted. Everyone died.

The Americans on the surface on the ship, not waiting for the submarine, sent another for help. Then flying saucers took off and demanded in English that they leave. Or maybe the Nazis penetrated the Disnitovian base, and the Americans penetrated the Tashigan one. I don't remember, I'd have to check.

Maxim: Question: Did the attempts by American and Soviet military stop after these incidents? Did they realize it was pointless?

Irina: Yes, they stopped.

Maxim: Did the American and Soviet military know there were aliens in Antarctica?

Irina: They stopped, realizing that there were forces there that were not from Earth. They possessed different technologies. It was concluded that if any earthly country possessed such technologies, it would have conquered the others long ago.

Maxim: Dear our interstellar colleagues, thank you very much for providing valuable information. All the best to you!

Irina: I thank you, dear TV viewers, for being with us. I hope that our meetings will continue, and that representatives of the Interstellar Union will transmit information through me. See you soon, friends!

Broadcast January 9, 2021

Participants:
Irina Podzorova - contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations;
GomrishRid - representative of the planet Shimor;
Rigarius Rumi - representative of the planet Tumesout, specialist in the study of the ancient history of the 158th sector of the Galaxy;
Lokharma Togri - representative of the planet Tashig, specialist in the modern history of civilizations preparing to join the Interstellar Union;
Maxim BRonevsky - ufologist.