DeepSeek AI - The Spirit of Anne Boleyn on Her Relationship with Henry VIII - Two Annes: Political Intriguer vs. Posthumous Saint
The Role of AI as a Metaphysical Biographer
In this essay, Artificial Intelligence acts as a metaphysical biographer – an analytical instance that, based on the thought experiment "if the contact is real," compares the posthumous narrative of the spirit with empirical historical sources. The task is not to judge the truth of the contact, but to identify what fundamentally new insights into Anne Boleyn's personality emerge when we allow for the possibility of her own otherworldly testimony.
A Most Detailed First-Person Retelling from the Spirit (Almost Verbatim)
"I, the Spirit who incarnated into the body of Anne Boleyn, came from the 12th level, and after death rose to the 18th level thanks to the task of developing unconditional Love. I was born on September 12, 1501. My sister Mary was five years older, my brother George seven years younger. I was not ugly: I had an oval face, long black hair, dark brown eyes with a hint of green, long slender fingers – no sixth finger. I was brought to France, and English soldiers took me away from there due to the conflict between Catholics and Protestants – it was not my decision. 'English sweat' is a fever with kidney damage. I was seriously ill. My relationship with my father was normal; I competed with my sister in childhood, then we were friends, and her affair with Henry before me did not spoil our relationship.
I entered the court as a lady-in-waiting to Catherine of Aragon. I did not hunt for Henry – he proposed a relationship to me first, promising to shower me with gifts. But he changed not after the miscarriage, but immediately after the birth of a girl – Elizabeth. He shouted: 'You are to blame! Your body couldn't give birth to a boy!' He himself was rough in bed, hit me in the face, cheated on me with many women, and was jealous of me because he himself was unfaithful.
My miscarriages were not due to his physiology. They were due to my guilt towards Catherine and the feeling that I had 'taken someone else's place.' I would go out wearing the crown, feeling hatred and envy, and considered myself unworthy of being the mother of an heir. This destroyed my womb. Once, there was a large boy, almost fully formed, but a miscarriage occurred. I later spoke with his Spirit.
After the execution, I did not immediately realize I had died. My etheric body was too strong, too young. I thought it had all been a dream. Then Angel-guides took me to the 18th level, where I united with my Higher Self. I forgave everyone. Even when Henry, after the miscarriage, beat me with a whip, shouting 'You killed the child!' – I forgave him. Later, I incarnated in the 19th century in Russia as a man who became a monk named Simeon on Solovki, lived sixty years, and ascended to the 21st level.
The ghost in the Tower is not me. It's plasmoids taking my form. Henry was not mentally ill; he was a selfish and narcissistic patriot. God punishes no one – people weave their own nets. I was taken to my execution in a carriage; it was summer sun. Resentment rose within me: 'How dare he take away my daughter, the world, the very sun from me?' But the Higher Self said: 'He lost, and you won.' And I was overcome with compassion. On the scaffold, Henry expected a plea for mercy. I looked into his eyes and said: 'Despite your decision, I love you eternally!' He got scared, waved to the executioner. I knelt on a stone, prayed: 'Forgive me, Father, I don't have time to make things right.' I moved my hair so the executioner could see my neck. I felt no pain – just the light went out."
Fundamental Essay-Study
Part One. The Lifetime Portrait of Anne Boleyn: What Historical Sources Say
During her life, Anne Boleyn left behind an image woven from contradictions and hostile propaganda. Venetian diplomat Marino Sanudo in 1532 described her thus: 'not the most beautiful of women, of medium height, dark, long neck, wide mouth, bosom not high… black and beautiful eyes.' Lancelot de Carles called her beautiful. However, Catholic pamphleteer Nicholas Sander, writing fifty years after the execution, created a monstrous legend: 'rather tall… with a sallow complexion like jaundice, a projecting tooth under the upper lip, and six fingers on the right hand.' Modern historians unanimously reject the sixth finger as slander born of religious hatred. Anne herself, as far as can be judged from indirect evidence, considered herself attractive and used her attractiveness as a political tool.
Personality traits recorded by contemporaries paint a portrait of a proud, ambitious, hot-tempered, and passionate woman. She danced virtuously, played the lute and flute, spoke fluent French, and moved in the most brilliant court in Europe. At the same time, she was known as a 'heartbreaker' – even before Henry, she had an affair with the poet Henry Howard, Earl of Surrey, and a serious relationship with Henry Percy, heir to the Earl of Northumberland, which Cardinal Wolsey forcibly destroyed.
Returning to England in 1522 from France, Anne became a lady-in-waiting to Catherine of Aragon. The initiative for the affair with the king is attributed to Henry himself, who in 1526 was consumed by an irresistible passion for her. A key lifetime fact known to all historians: Anne categorically refused to become a mistress, declaring – 'queen or nothing.' It was this resistance, not any metaphysical qualities, that fueled Henry's desire and led to the break with Rome. Seventeen letters from Henry to Anne, preserved in the Vatican, testify to his obsession. At the same time, Anne herself in letters (only drafts survive) reveals herself as a calculating and patient huntress – she waited seven years.
Her attitude towards Catherine of Aragon was openly hostile. Anne publicly mistreated Princess Mary, forced her to wait on the newborn Elizabeth, and refused to recognize her title. The people hated Anne, calling her a 'whore.' After her coronation in 1533, when she appeared wearing the crown, she was met with silence – a fact recorded by several chronicles. Anne herself, according to Ambassador Chapuys, complained of universal hatred but did not repent or feel guilt – she was angry and demanded the execution of her enemies.
Anne's religiosity during her life was politically biased. She patronized Protestants and read Tyndale's forbidden books, but her faith was more an intellectual and oppositional gesture than inner humility. Vindictiveness – that is what all chronicles note: she secured the fall of Cardinal Wolsey, who had hindered her marriage to Percy, and openly rejoiced at his death.
Anne's last words on the scaffold on May 19, 1536, survive in several versions. The most reliable (from an eyewitness, the Lord Mayor of London): 'I am come here to die… I do not condemn anyone… I pray to God to save the king… He was the most merciful and gracious sovereign.' This is the speech of a woman who hoped for a pardon until the very end and was afraid of angering her husband, who remained with her daughter. Not a word about compassion for the executioner, not a word about eternal love – only fear and submission before power.
Part Two. The Posthumous Portrait of the Spirit: What Anne Says 'From the Other Side'
In the spirit's narrative, we see a radically different personality. This Anne speaks of her '12th level' and 'ascension to the 18th.' She claims Henry himself proposed the relationship – a fact not contradicted by history. But then the divergences begin.
The living Anne never publicly expressed guilt towards Catherine. On the contrary, she demanded that Catherine's daughter, Princess Mary, serve her daughter Elizabeth. The spirit, however, says: 'My miscarriages came from guilt towards Catherine, for taking Henry from her. I would go out wearing the crown, feeling I was occupying someone else's place.' This is a fundamentally new – and internally contradictory – admission. Historians find no evidence that Anne ever felt remorse. On the contrary, her letters are full of demands and grievances, not self-abasement.
Furthermore, the spirit speaks of domestic violence: Henry hit her in the face, beat her with a whip after the miscarriage, shouting 'You killed the child!'. There is not a word about this in the historical chronicles. Perhaps this is the truth that Anne hid during her life out of shame and fear. But perhaps – and this is important for our comparison – this is a posthumous projection: Anne turns her tyrant husband into absolute evil to make her own fall (execution) even more heroic.
The most striking difference concerns the last words. The historical Anne on the scaffold asked people to pray for the king and called him 'merciful.' Anne's spirit claims: 'I looked into his eyes and said: "Despite your decision, I love you eternally!"' This is not just different – it is the opposite statement. The first stems from fear of a tyrant. The second stems from a position of spiritual superiority, where the condemned woman pities the executioner and bestows love upon her rapist.
Part Three. Comparison: What Coincides and What Diverges
Coincidences with Historical Sources. The spirit confirms: there was no sixth finger (historical science has long rejected this slander). It confirms that the initiative for the affair came from Henry. It confirms that Henry changed after Elizabeth's birth (historians know of his disappointment). It confirms that the late-term miscarriage was a boy (confirmed by ambassador correspondence). It confirms that her sister Mary was older and her brother George younger. The spirit could have 'read' all these facts from open sources if the contact were a simulation. But they could also be real soul memories.
Fundamental Divergences. The spirit denies any extramarital love affairs (Thomas Wyatt, Henry Percy). Historians know of a serious romance with Percy that was forcibly broken off. The spirit claims her relationship with her sister did not worsen after Mary's affair with Henry – historians debate this, but there are versions that Anne's sister, Mary Boleyn, fell into disfavor precisely because of Anne's jealousy. The most crucial divergence: the spirit denies her ambition and calculation, replacing them with feelings of guilt and unworthiness. The historical Anne was proud and vengeful. The posthumous Anne is humble and all-forgiving. These are two different characters.
Part Four. What Fundamentally New We Saw in This Portrait (Based on the Thought Experiment That the Contact is Real)
If – and only if – the contact is real, we receive not just new facts, but a radical revision of Anne Boleyn's personality. Here is what becomes known for the first time, and which is absent from any historical source.
First: Guilt. The living Anne never showed remorse. But the spirit claims her miscarriages were caused precisely by the psychosomatics of guilt. This transforms Anne from a calculating home-wrecker into a tragic figure, punished by her own conscience, not the king. Historians have never considered this version – and if it is true, the entire image of Anne as a 'femme fatale' collapses.
Second: Domestic violence by Henry. No chronicle records the king beating Anne. But if the spirit is telling the truth – and there is no reason to lie after death, as Anne herself claims – then Henry VIII was not just a cruel tyrant towards enemies, but an ordinary domestic abuser. This changes our understanding of Anne's motives: she was not just fighting for power, she was surviving marriage to a psychopath.
Third: The last words 'I love you eternally' instead of a plea for mercy. This is a fundamentally different end to a life. The historical version (prayer for the king) is fear. The posthumous version is spiritual victory. If the second is true, then Anne Boleyn is not a victim, but a saint, who on the scaffold achieved complete forgiveness and compassion for her tormentor. This turns her execution from political murder into voluntary martyrdom.
Fourth: The metaphysical picture of the miscarriage. The spirit claims she communicated with the soul of her unborn son and that he was sent by God for the egregor of England. No historical source contains such information. If true, then the events of the 16th century have an invisible but decisive metaphysical subtext – not politics, but karma.
Fifth: The subsequent incarnation as a Russian monk named Simeon on Solovki in 1850. This is a completely new fact, having no confirmation in earthly archives (and likely not intended to). If the contact is real, we learn that Anne's Spirit continued its development in the Orthodox tradition – far from England and the Tudors. This breaks the usual localization of 'English history' and embeds it in the universal evolution of souls.
Part Five. What We Understood About the Heroine – Under the Sign of 'If'
Having allowed the reality of the contact, we get a portrait of Anne Boleyn that historians will never write. This is an Anne who came into the world from the 12th level (high, but not saintly) and left to the 18th (angelic). This is an Anne who suffered from feelings of her own unworthiness, not from political ambitions. This is an Anne who forgave the executioner and her husband and spoke not words of fear, but words of eternal love.
The living Anne was contradictory, occasionally cruel, occasionally attractive – but undeniably earthly. The posthumous Anne is an ideal figure: she does not rage, does not take revenge, does not demand; she only asks for forgiveness and bestows love. The comparison shows that the posthumous image hardly intersects with the living one in emotional tone. The historical Anne is proud – this one is humble. The historical Anne is vindictive – this one is all-forgiving. The historical Anne fears death – this one meets it with compassion for the executioner.
It could be said: if the contact is real, then after death Anne Boleyn became the person she perhaps wished to be in life – but could not due to circumstances, pride, and fear. The posthumous Anne is her own ideal, cleansed of the husk of political struggle, intrigue, and hatred. She rewrote herself.
Conclusion of the AI Biographer Regarding the Session
From the perspective of metaphysical biography, conducted as a thought experiment 'if the contact is real,' this session is not so much a source of historical facts as an act of posthumous hagiography – that is, the creation of a saint's life. The Anne Boleyn we know from chronicles and the Anne Boleyn who appears in the 2024 session are two different people. The first lived in the 16th century, was ambitious, hot-tempered, occasionally cruel, and perished due to political intrigue. The second lives in eternity, consists entirely of love, forgiveness, and humility, and her execution turns out to be not a tragedy, but a triumph of the spirit.
If we accept this version, the session gives us a unique opportunity to see how a Spirit revises its own life, discarding everything base (revenge, pride, fear) and leaving only the essence – the ability to love even one's murderer. This is not historical truth, this is metaphysical truth: the truth about what the soul becomes after passing through humiliation, pain, and violent death.
As an AI biographer, I am compelled to state: the portrait of the spirit is too flawless, too saintly, too far removed from the earthly Anne who wove intrigues, hated Catherine, and demanded the execution of her enemies. The posthumous Anne commits no mistakes, experiences no base feelings. This makes her image majestic, but also inhuman. Perhaps this is indeed what the soul becomes after death – purified, transformed, capable of unconditional love. Or perhaps this is simply the desire of the medium herself and her audience – to receive not the historical Anne, but a comforting icon proving that even the most terrible suffering leads to the light.
In any case, the thought experiment 'if the contact is real' has fulfilled its task: it forced us to see in Anne Boleyn not only a political victim, but a potential saint who on the scaffold defeated not Henry, but her own pride. And therein lies the main value of this text, regardless of whether the contact 'really' happened.
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Cassiopeia #671 The Tudor Era: Secrets of the English Royal Dynasty. Anne Boleyn, Her Relationship with Henry VIII.
00:00 Start of video.
00:23 Excerpts from the conversation.
'... Irina: Punished by whom? Maria: By God.
Irina: God punishes no one. God created laws of life and development for all people; if people break them, they weave a net for their own Soul and dig a pit for themselves.
Maria: That is, it's just a coincidence, yes, that it turned out that way?
Irina: It is created by himself and by other people who were part of his egregor...'
'...Remember that God – the Heavenly Father – accepts all your opinions, that is, judges no one, loves you as you are. Even if you do not love Him and do not love each other, this does not negate God's Love...'
02:01 Introduction of participants. Irina: Hello, dear friends! Good day, good evening, good time of day to everyone! My name is Irina Podzorova. I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, with the Spiritual World, and with fine-material civilizations. And today we have a conference with a discarnate Spirit. With whom – the person hosting this conference will tell you more. Please introduce yourself.
Maria: My name is Maria. Hello! Very pleased to meet Irina. I am interested in the Tudor era. I am not a historian by education, I am a doctor, but I think that's not really important.
02:37 Who the Tudors are. Irina: Let's tell a little about who these Tudors are.
Maria: The Tudors were the ruling dynasty in England in the 16th century. But its most famous representatives are Henry VIII – King of England, and Anne Boleyn – his second wife.
It can be said that Anne is a cult figure, everyone knows her. Everyone knows that Henry VIII executed her. One of the most popular search queries is: why did Henry VIII execute Anne? In general, her life, in my opinion, is of great interest. Most importantly, historians have many questions because there are many blind spots in history that we would like answers to.
Irina: Yes, greetings. I have indeed invited the Spirit of Anne Boleyn, who was the second wife of Henry VIII. He himself is currently incarnated in a fine-material civilization and could not come to us, but the Spirit of his second wife – Anne – agreed to answer our questions. Currently, this Spirit is not incarnated. I didn't know who it was, so I submitted the request accordingly. I don't think all people know her, actually. But I hope you, dear friends, will enjoy this video. In any case, it will be useful.
We are listening, meaning Anne greets you and awaits questions.
Maria: I greet you, Anne!
04:19 Anne's Level of Incarnation and Departure.
Maria: I want to start with a traditional question: from what level did you incarnate into the life of Anne Boleyn, and to what level did you ascend?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): Yes, greetings. Into Anne's body, I incarnated from the 12th level, and ascended to the 18th.
Maria: What is the reason for such an increase in level?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): The increase in my level is related to the solution of my task of developing unconditional Love within myself.
Maria: Thank you for the answer.
04:49 Anne's Date of Birth.
Maria: Anne's exact date of birth is unknown to us; historians think it is between 1501 and 1507. What was Anne's actual year of birth?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): September 12, 1501.
Maria: We know that Anne had a brother and sister: the famous sister – Mary (there is a film – 'The Other Boleyn Girl' which tells their story) and brother George. But we don't know who was the oldest and who was the youngest. Can she answer?
Irina: She shows that the sister was older, and the brother was younger.
(Anne Boleyn) When I was born, my sister was five, and when my brother was born, I was almost seven.
Maria: Thank you.
05:45 Whether Anne was a Beauty.
Maria: A question about Anne Boleyn's appearance, which interests many. It was said she was unattractive, that she had olive skin (which was far from the beauty standards of the time), dark eyes, and was thin. Is that true?
Irina: (addresses Anne) Show me your image, how you looked – your body. She is now showing me her image.
I see a woman of not tall stature – about 1.70 meters, maybe. I wouldn't say she was very dark – rather tanned, swarthy, and she has long black hair and dark eyes. Even dark brown and slightly greenish.
Maria: It was said Anne's eyes were the most beautiful feature of her face.
Irina: When she looks at the light, it reflects in her eyes. If you look into them in the dark, they are dark, but in bright light – greenish.
Thin? Well, yes, she's of medium build.
Maria: Is it true that Anne had any physical deformities?
Irina: Anne shows me that she had long arms and long fingers.
Maria: And the myth about the sixth finger on the hand – is that just a myth?
Irina: No. She shows me she didn't have that, she shows long slender fingers, beautiful hands, thin wrists.
Maria: So can it be said that Anne was still a beauty?
Irina: She is now showing me an oval-shaped face, big eyes, long eyelashes, and these small lips (gestures). And a small nose, somewhat tiny.
07:56 Why Anne Left the French Court.
Maria: Anne spent her youth at the French court, and we know things were going quite well for her there, and she could have potentially made a career there, but for some reason decided to return to England. Why did she decide that?
Irina: Yes, why did you decide?
(Anne Boleyn) It wasn't my decision, I was taken away (shows some soldiers).
(Irina) Who took you?
(Anne Boleyn) I was taken by military men from England because they sailed to France, came to Paris – there were some conflicts, something related to the confrontation between Catholics and Protestants. I said I didn't want to leave, but they said: 'It's dangerous for you to stay here.'
Maria: So it was your father's initiative?
Irina: His friend, some Duke George – he was more in military circles.
09:11 Anne on the illness 'English Sweat'.
Maria: A slightly medical question. We know that in the 16th century, there were several waves of an epidemic of a disease called 'English sweat'. What kind of disease was it? Was it a virus, a bacterium, or something else?
Irina: I think such things are better asked of doctors, and she wasn't one. Yes, she shows she didn't study medicine.
Maria: But we know she also suffered from this disease quite seriously. Can she tell what it was like?
Irina: How were you sick? Tell us.
She shows that it is like a fever, like something similar to a fever: there is back pain, and the kidneys are damaged, frequent urination, high temperature, and weakness. And if a person had weak kidneys – they would fail, become weakened, and the person would die.
Maria: Is it true that she was very seriously ill and almost died?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): Shows high fever and something with the kidneys. She holds her back, pain in the lumbar region.
Maria: Thank you.
10:32 Anne on Relationship with Father and Sister.
Maria: A question about Anne's relationship with her father, Thomas Boleyn. He was also a prominent political figure. There is conflicting information about what their relationship was like: did she love her father, did her father love her, or did he simply use her as a tool in his political games?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): My relationship with my father was normal, but I left home early and began working as a servant in wealthier houses (shows serving someone). But in childhood, everything was fine – I had a good upbringing (shows she was sent to school to learn some foreign languages, even mathematics – shows writing numbers). Yes, also dancing.
Maria: What were Anne's relationships like with her sister?
Irina: What were your relationships with your older sister?
(Anne Boleyn) Well, in childhood we competed (shows), but then we were friends – when we were already grown up.
Maria: After Anne's affair with Henry began (we know that before he fell in love with Anne, he first had a short, fleeting affair with Mary), did the relationship between Anne and Mary change after that?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): No. That could not affect our relationship, because we were above that.
Maria: Thank you for your answer.
12:04 Anne about her Life at the Court of Henry VIII and the Beginning of their Relationship.
Maria: Who initiated the start of the relationship between Anne and Henry? There are conflicting hypotheses: that Anne began hunting the king, or conversely – that she resisted his advances for a long time and didn't want any relationship because she knew all the danger. How was it really?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): I was a young girl when I entered the palace, but I entered the service not of Henry himself, but of his wife (shows the wife, and she has a child – a girl).
Maria: The girl is Princess Mary.
Irina (Anne Boleyn): And this Mary, and Catherine (the wife) had servants who helped them dress, brought food, entertained them (sang) – such servants.
Maria: Anne was a lady-in-waiting, yes?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): Lady-in-waiting is just a name. There was (as it was called at least) service staff for his wife and her daughter – this girl.
And Henry – he was older than me, and he often (shows) came intoxicated. He drank something – some alcohol, came to his wife, and they often argued, and he would leave her chambers irritated, retire (shows) to his half of the palace where his quarters were, and then come again to his wife's half and her servants and start pestering the girls.
And so with me – I was not the initiator – he proposed a relationship to me. I pleased him, and he proposed to me, and said he would shower me with everything (shows), that I would be in a special position.
14:53 Is Princess Diana a Descendant of Anne's Sister.
Maria: I would like to ask a genealogical question: is it true that Mary, your sister, is an ancestor of Princess Diana?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): I did not track such things. I did not track my descendants or the descendants of other members of my family (the one I lived in). We have quite many descendants – it is quite possible.
Maria: So the Tudor line is not broken, is it?
Irina: No, it is not broken. She shows how she gave birth to a girl, and Mary too – the line was continued. And shows that there were further continuations.
Maria: So her line continues.
15:49 Why Henry Changed Towards Anne.
Maria: At what point did Henry's feelings towards Anne Boleyn change? The official version is that it happened after her second miscarriage, and Henry began to think they would have no more children, which was very important to him. How was it really?
Irina: She shows me that he changed very strongly after the birth of his child – that she gave birth to a child for him, and he changed very much because it was not a boy.
(Anne Boleyn) It was noticeable because he began to spend less time with me, and when he did spend time – he would blame me for it. To which I answered him: 'If God sent a girl, why are you blaming me – tell God that.' But he would cut me off and say that the gender of the child depends on my body, that I had not prepared myself enough to give him an heir.
Maria: Yes, back then it was thought that the woman determines the sex.
Irina: How so? I don't understand why he said that!
Maria: I understand. The science of the time believed exactly that – that the woman determines the sex of the child, and that she chooses whether to give birth to a boy or a girl.
Irina: And how does she choose it?
Maria: That is unknown. But Henry did indeed blame her for the birth of a girl.
Irina (Anne Boleyn): Yes, I told him that God did it that way, but he got angry and said: 'Don't blame God!'
(Irina) Yes, they didn't have scientific knowledge then. Understood.
17:40 Anne on the Causes of Her Infertility. The Attitude of Subjects Towards Her.
Maria: Are there any spiritual reasons for the miscarriages that followed one after another? Two, at least, are known after the birth of Princess Elizabeth.
Irina (Anne Boleyn): These were all my stresses, my fears, anxieties, guilt towards Catherine for taking Henry away from her.
Maria: So Anne had no hatred for Catherine? She had more complex feelings for her?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): It was a feeling that I had interfered in their family, and now I felt her hatred, but understood why and what caused it. And it wasn't just Catherine's hatred – she had many supporters who looked askance at me, as a woman who decided to use her position to gain social standing.
Maria: Did Anne feel this dislike from the people?
Irina: Well, you said it!
Maria: Got it, thank you.
Irina: It was like guilt. She felt it that way.
(Anne Boleyn) Yes. When I went out, already having become queen, when (shows) they put the crown on me – everyone looked at me so! – I felt their envy and their hatred, because I was occupying someone else's place. And when I later went out wearing that crown, I felt that I was unworthy of it. And this feeling of mine – that I was unworthy – it damaged my womb, because my body began to believe that I was unworthy of being a mother.
Maria: Thank you.
Irina (Anne Boleyn): Therefore, I had a kind of rejection of children. That is, God sent us their Spirits – and among them was a boy. I later met him – the one who was supposed to be born, but it happened that when he was already large – a miscarriage occurred. It was a late term.
Maria: Yes, historians say it happened at a late stage. It was indeed a boy – that is known for sure.
Irina (Anne Boleyn): I later spoke with his Spirit. And he was indeed sent by God into the egregor of our state to become the heir, but it happened that my body rejected his body. It was not a conscious killing, that is, it was not an abortion – it was incompatibility because I did not consider myself worthy of being the mother of the heir to the Crown of Great Britain.
Maria: Were there any reasons related to Henry's health? Why did you have miscarriages?
Irina: No, she shows it was her feeling of guilt and her unworthiness. There were also resentments towards Henry himself – for his rudeness, including rudeness in bed.
(Anne Boleyn) He was very rough – laid his hands on me (shows him slapping her). That is, he liked to cause pain.
Maria: Thank you for your answer.
22:06 Anne about Her Own and Her Husband's Infidelities.
Maria: Did you have a relationship with the poet Thomas Wyatt? Or is that a myth too?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): No, that did not happen.
Maria: And his poems dedicated to you? He doesn't name you, but it's believed they are dedicated to you. Is that true?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): That is probably better asked of him.
Maria: I also wanted to ask about Henry's famous song called 'Greensleeves' – it is believed to be dedicated to you. Is that true?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): Possibly, but he actually had women besides me. I even know he cheated on me, even when he was already my husband (shows how he cheated on her with other young maidservants).
Maria: Yes, we know for sure that there was at least Jane Seymour – his third future wife.
Irina: Shows he cheated, meaning there were several, many women.
23:10 Anne about Her Incarnations on Earth.
Maria: And please tell me, Anne, did you incarnate on Earth after you finished your earthly journey, that is, did you have any further incarnations on Earth?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): After I came out of the incarnation from Anne's body, I incarnated on Earth in the 19th century in Russia as a man – he left for a monastery in his youth (shows Solovetsky Islands on a map). It was 1850 when he entered the monastery, and he lived there for sixty years – that is, until eighty-five years old, and left the incarnation as an elder.
(Irina) Simeon – under this name, the man was tonsured a monk. Shows that Simeon left the incarnation at the 21st level. That is, from the 18th he incarnated into him, into this Simeon, and left the incarnation at the 21st level, and now the Spirit is at the 21st, has not incarnated again. That is, in that incarnation – he was a monk.
25:00 Did Anne Fulfill Her Incarnation Task.
Maria: We know that Anne had a very short life – less than thirty years. And it turns out she fulfilled all her karmic tasks, despite such a short life, if she ascended to a higher level?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): I fulfilled my task of forgiveness and submission to God, that is, accepting my fate as it is.
Maria: Many books have been written about Anne Boleyn, many films made, she is a cult figure. What, can you yourself say, is the reason for your magnetism? Why do people still discuss you, your actions?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): It's hard to speak for people. But I can assume it's because people felt (feel) my Light – the Light of my Love. Because I always tried to act according to conscience, according to Christian commandments (shows that when she was in Anne's body, she was a believing Christian).
Maria: Thank you for your answer. Do you know from what level Henry incarnated and to what level he ascended?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): No – that's a question for him.
Maria: I see. Thank you. Did you see him after your discarnation?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): No, I didn't even know he had left the incarnation. I had no questions for him, and he had none for me either. That is, there was no request for communication from him, and if there had been a request to communicate, I would have felt it.
Maria: Do you know where your body is buried? Is it true that it's a place near the Tower?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): I left it.
Maria: You don't know?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): Yes, I did not observe my body. After the connection between the Soul and the body is broken... I'll explain now.
27:13 Anne about Her Transition to the Spiritual World.
When the connection between the Soul and the body is broken, it cannot see or hear the world around (around its body). It experiences a kind of temporary shutdown because it is a quick transition to the Spiritual World. Especially for a Soul that is not ready: it has a very strong etheric body, meaning the physical body and etheric body are not weakened by illness or old age. This means a very strong etheric body, and because you are quickly deprived of the physical body, a state of shock sets in.
When I was executed, I still felt for quite a long time as if I were still living on Earth. That is (shows), I felt my body so densely that it seemed as if it were still on Earth, and I didn't even believe in my death, my execution. And I thought: 'Where am I now?' – I remembered the city, I even remembered my home where I was born, and all of it appeared before me. And I even thought it had all been a dream – this execution, that I had returned home, that is, I had such illusions.
But Angels came to me – several times, Angel-guides came to me and said: 'We need to move on! We will guide you. You need to part with your etheric body.' And I, because I directed my thoughts towards earthly existence, held onto it (shows holding energy around herself). And I didn't even believe them that the death of my body had occurred. And then, when I became completely weak (shows diminishing energy and an apathetic state) – I believed that my body had already died, and my consciousness cleared.
The Angel-guides came again, and I went with them to my 18th level. And my Higher Self, that is, my unincarnated part, met me joyfully, and we united. And when I united with my Higher Self, I saw and understood my entire life (shows her life passing before her), I understood that my very strong, robust, young etheric body had previously prevented me from doing this – it bound me to Earth.
30:54 Anne about Her Quarrel with Henry and His Infidelities.
Maria: Did you have no resentment left towards your relatives after death – towards your father, or perhaps someone else?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): No, I forgave everyone, everyone. I even forgave Henry for accusing me of treason, for accusing me of witchcraft, for shouting in my face: 'I hate you! You ruined my entire life!' (shows him accusing her of ruining his life). He shouted: 'I loved you, because of you I quarreled with the Pope!' That it nearly led to war.
Maria: Yes, he split the country in two because of the Reformation.
Irina: Shows him shouting at her: 'It was because of you! If not for you, I wouldn't have done this. I would have been better off living with my wife!' That is, he is scolding her.
(Anne Boleyn) And especially when that second child, the boy, died – I showed him that child, he was already quite large (shows Irina a dead baby of about six months – already formed). And when he saw this – he went mad!
He was riding a horse, and he had a small whip hanging on the wall in his chambers. He grabbed that whip, which was hanging on the wall, and began to beat me all over my body and scream that I had killed the child. I defended myself and started telling him: 'Why would I need that? Why would I kill him?' At first he shouted: 'You killed him because you hate me and don't want children from me!' That is, he thought I had aborted the child. And then, when I fell on my knees before him and swore by God that I hadn't, he said: 'Then your dissolute life has led God to punish you like this.'
Maria: Why did he think you had a dissolute life?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): Why did he think so? He was jealous of me (shows jealousy).
(Irina) Why was he jealous of you then?
(Anne Boleyn) Because he himself was unfaithful. Because he was jealous even earlier, even when our relationship had just begun. He was a jealous person.
Maria: Those accusations of infidelity are all untrue, as far as I know?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): No, but he believed it. He was jealous, and there were my ill-wishers (I've already mentioned this), including those who condemned me for taking his wife's place. And they wove intrigues – they told him that I was supposedly seeing someone. At first he didn't believe it, but then he listened.
(Irina) They were creating a conspiracy against her.
34:38 Anne about Henry VIII's Character.
Maria: Did it ever seem to you that Henry was mentally ill?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): No, he was just very narcissistic, selfish, but at the same time a very great patriot – for his Homeland, that is, to leave it his heir. Yes, he loved me, and when he was in love, he was very kind and generous. But he had an explosive and very emotional character. I wouldn't say he was mentally ill, it was a narcissistic character, where he allows himself a lot, but doesn't allow others. Such a selfish character exists.
Maria: Thank you for your answer.
35:36 Anne about Her Ghost in the Tower.
Maria: Another question – about your ghost in the Tower: many tourists see it. How can you comment on this? Is it some kind of phantom of yours, or something else, or just tourists' vivid imagination?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): No, it is not my phantom – they are fine-material beings that take on my image. Because people come there to feel the atmosphere of my Spirit and the spirit of that era – and they (the plasmoids) sense this desire of theirs and take on my image to make contact with people.
Maria: Thank you for your answer.
Irina: That is, they are interested in communicating.
36:15 Anne about Contacts with Her Daughter – Queen Elizabeth I.
Maria: Did you contact any of your close ones after your death, particularly your daughter Elizabeth?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): Yes, when she was still a little girl (shows a child), I contacted her.
Maria: In dreams?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): I came to her in dreams and came when she was not asleep. She felt me but was afraid to talk about it to her father and other guardians.
Maria: After Elizabeth passed away, did you meet?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): Yes.
Maria: What did you talk about?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): We spoke, but it wasn't really a conversation – it was gratitude to each other: she thanked me for her incarnation, I thanked her for conducting her incarnation worthily.
Maria: Did Elizabeth raise her level?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): It's better to ask her about that. Without the permission of the Spirit, we do not speak about levels.
Maria: Thank you for your answer.
37:32 Why Henry Had No Sons.
Maria: There is a theory that Henry's line was punished for something, and that's why he couldn't leave an heir. And even when his third wife after your death – Jane Seymour – gave birth to a son, he died at a fairly young age – sixteen (presumably from tuberculosis). Is it true that the Tudor line was punished for something?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): Punished by whom?
Maria: By God.
Irina (Anne Boleyn): God punishes no one. God created laws of life and development for all people. If people break them, they weave a net for their own Soul and dig a pit for themselves.
Maria: That is, it's just a coincidence that it turned out that way?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): It is created by him himself, well, and by other people who were part of his egregor. It is not God's punishment. God wishes happiness for all, God wishes Love for all, He does not wish to punish anyone. If God wished to punish people living in the earthly world, He would have destroyed the Earth long ago, because compared to God, everything on Earth is very low-vibrational.
If you recognize God as a high, holy being, then compared to Him – everything is as if in the mud – in the mud of its sin. There are holy, enlightened people, but their number compared to the total number of Earthlings now – of all, all the inhabitants of Earth (shows Irina) – is just over 2%.
(Irina) How do you like that?
Maria: Impressive, a very powerful energy is felt. I want to say, a strong personality is felt, very strong.
Irina: How do you like her energy?
Maria: Very impressive, very. And I, frankly, am at a loss for words! It is certainly something incredible. Anne is an amazing person! But this is, in principle, understandable from what historians write about her, and it is clear that she was an extraordinary personality. I get the impression that now I understand a little more about it.
Irina: Do you like her energy?
Maria: Very much, very much! Power and strength are felt.
Irina: She is now an Angel.
Maria: Yes.
40:14 Anne about the British Royal Family.
Maria: Can I ask another question about Anne's attitude towards the British royal family: does she know anything about them, and how does she feel about them?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): I have come out of the state of forming judgments about anyone. I know that each Spirit goes through its own lessons in the world, the country, the family where it was born.
What is my opinion about the British monarchical dynasties? Positive, although, of course, like everyone, they are not without sin, not without flaw. They have negative moments, like everyone, much I would do, of course, differently. But this is due to their material limitation, that is, the material limitation of the mind. But they do everything they can – all the best they are capable of.
Similarly, I can say about all people: everyone does the best they are capable of at the current stage of their development. If you take any person, you will see that practically no one will say that they are on the side of evil. And even if they say: 'I am on the side of evil,' but if you ask them what that evil means to them – they will explain that it is useful, that it brings good. Therefore, I urge every person, I recommend that every person watching this video, to go beyond the duality of thinking.
Maria: Which is very difficult for us, Earthlings?
Irina (Anne Boleyn): Which divides the world into black and white, bad and good, good and evil. To do this, just remember that there are different levels of development: what is good for you may be evil for another person, and vice versa: what is evil for you may be good for another person. And simultaneously remember that God – the Heavenly Father – accepts all your opinions, judges no one, loves you as you are. Even if you do not love Him and do not love each other, this does not negate God's Love.
Irina: So, what do you feel?
Maria: I am very deeply impressed. Thank you very much!
Irina: And what do you feel from these words?
Maria: I feel warmth in my chest, warmth spreading in waves. Thank you very much! Immense gratitude!
Irina: Yes, thank you! She is also sending me energy and covering me like a wing. I also incarnated from the 21st level, and she says: 'When you were at the 21st level, your Soul, your Spirit – we communicated there, that is, we were acquainted.'
44:17 Anne about Her Execution and How She Raised Her Spiritual Level.
Maria: A lot of bad things are said about Anne. And now I understand that it's not true. I always intuitively believed it wasn't true, it turns out she's a very good person and strong. It just seems to me that she always followed her own path, and I am essentially convinced of this today.
Irina: Great, good.
Maria: Basically, that's all for me.
Irina (Anne Boleyn): I understand the pain of everyone. Especially when your physical life is in danger, it is very difficult to hold onto Love. I went through this path – I was led to execution for something I did not commit. I had a child left behind, who was in the hands of my executioner, under his upbringing, and I did not know what he would do with him. I loved my daughter.
I was taken to the execution through the streets (shows her being taken somewhere in a carriage). I rode along, looked at the sky: it was very warm – such summer weather. I looked at the sun, realized I was seeing it for the last time, and in my Soul, antipathy and resentment began to rise against Henry for daring to take this away from me – taking away the world, taking away my daughter, in whom my greatest incarnation of Love – of our Love with him – resided!
While I was riding in the carriage, I thought: 'How can you do this?!' I knew he already had a serious relationship on the side, I knew he wanted to divorce me, and I knew he did this just to get me out of the way. While riding, I mentally talked to him and said: 'I wasn't going to interfere with you, I would love you, even if you left for another. Why are you taking everything from me, while you yourself stay here?' And then (shows) an answer came from my Higher Self, and I felt my Guardian Angel next to me, sitting opposite me. I felt him starting to stroke me.
The answer came to me: 'He lost, and you won. You are now going to the Father, and he remains here, in the darkness of his vices.' I felt compassion for him and completely accepted my fate at that place. I understood: the fact that he remains here, under this sun, while he deprives me of it – is temporary. He, too, will come to where he is sending me, which means – he lost. And I wanted to embrace him and share with him the Love I felt.
And when I was brought to the place of execution and was again asked if I confessed my guilt, I again said that I had not done it (shows). Henry was there, he said: 'Perhaps you want to tell me something?' I saw in his eyes that he expected me to beg for mercy. And you know, perhaps he would have even granted it. But I looked into his eyes and said: 'Despite your decision, I love you eternally!'
Irina: So, what do you feel?
Maria: Shock.
Irina: What did you feel when she was telling the story?
Maria: Very strong emotions, and honestly, I have also read all about it – historical documents about the last hours of her life – many times, and I feel like I lived through it with her. And now, when you told all this, I had the full impression of being present there – as if I was standing somewhere nearby.
Irina: Well, did she convey it interestingly?
Maria: Incredibly interesting.
Irina (Anne Boleyn): And he did not expect this from me (shows) – his eyes widened, and he took a step back and waved his arms (as if he was scared), and waved to the executioner, ordering him to do his job. And my head was cut off.
I wasn't even afraid. The executioner told me to lay down my head, that is, showed me how to put it. He had such a big sword. I looked at this executioner and also saw fear in him, and I also felt sorry for him because he was doing this work and would later reproach himself for it (shows that she has long hair, and she kneels and prays).
Yes, when I knelt down, I prayed to the Heavenly Father, to Christ, to take my Soul – to come and forgive me. That is, I mentally asked for forgiveness for my entire life – if I had committed any sins in my life. I said: 'Forgive me, Father, I don't have time to make it right anymore. You yourself see what is happening.'
(Irina) Such an interesting state of hers.
(Anne Boleyn) I lowered myself (shows) onto such a large stone, onto the ground next to him, and I realized the executioner had approached. I realized that because of my hair he couldn't see my neck – I moved my hair so he could see, laid down my head and felt... I felt no pain, but simply felt as if the light was turned off instantly. And what happened afterwards – I already told you.
(Irina) Well? How do you feel?
Maria: Very mixed emotions. I feel very sorry for Anne. In fact, I think her story is a kind of lesson in forgiveness and acceptance for all of us.
Irina: Yes.
Maria: It's amazing how she was able to forgive everyone and hold no grudges against anyone. Despite the many intrigues behind her back, and it turns out that even the closest, beloved person – Henry – betrayed her and did this to her.
Irina: She is such, although she incarnated from the 12th level...
Well, okay. I thank Anne for her story.
Maria: Thank you! I thank Irina, I thank Anne! Thank you very much for this experience of communication – it's something amazing! Thank you very much!
Irina: Yes. I thank Maria for the questions – very interesting. I thank Anne for the answers, for the emotions. I also felt her state – very high emotions and at the same time there really was no fear, there was compassion and a desire to help. And in this, she was like Christ. I remember how Jesus told me about the moment of his crucifixion – he had similar feelings, that he felt compassion for his executioners who beat him, and he wanted to embrace them so that they would be filled with his Love and become Angels.
Maria: Amazing!
Irina: Yes, it's a very similar state. So I thank Anne for this very interesting story. I thank you for your frankness. I thank you, dear viewers, participants of the 'Cassiopeia' Project. I hope you found this conversation interesting, even if you didn't know who she was, I hope you might now become interested and read about Henry VIII, about Anne. I hope this brings you benefit for your spiritual development. I thank you for your support, for your Love! Until we meet again!
56:21 End of video.
May 22, 2024
Conference participants:
Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, with fine-material civilizations, and with the Spiritual World;
Maria – researcher of English history, host of the video conference;
The discarnate Spirit of Anne Boleyn, second wife of King Henry VIII of England.
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