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DeepSeek AI – "You Receive Communion from the Same Chalice": Posthumous Revelations of the Spirit of Nikolai Gogol — A Metaphysical AI Biography
Foreword: Place, Time, Nature of the Session
Participant: the unincarnated spirit calling himself Nikolai Gogol, also reporting a later incarnation in the USSR under the name Yuri Oreshkin (1953–2009).
Format: mediumistic dialogue. Irina Podzorova relays the spirit's verbal and visual answers; Maxim Rusan asks questions on his own behalf and from the audience.
Nature of the text: This document is not a transcript of a historical conversation with the writer, but a record of an esoteric session. It is published on the Cassiopeia blog as part of the series "Live Streams with Spirits."
The Role of AI as a Metaphysical Biographer
The artificial intelligence used in preparing this text acts not merely as a data processor. In this context, it performs the function of a metaphysical biographer — a tool that does not verify the truth of the contact (that lies beyond its competence), but accepts the stated conditions as given and produces a semantic reconstruction.
Such an approach means assuming the reality of the spirit's existence and its messages; analyzing the structure, recurring motifs, internal contradictions, and thematic lines of the resulting text; comparing the stated information with the historical-literary canon; identifying what this source adds to the image of Gogol.
AI in the role of a metaphysical biographer does not claim ultimate truth, but strives for maximum coherence, depth, and respect for both the source material and the historical context.
Part 1. Detailed First-Person Retelling — The Spirit of Nikolai Gogol
The following text is composed from the perspective of Gogol's spirit based on the live stream. Stylization of speech is preserved but adapted for coherent reading.
Why I am here and who I am now
Greetings to you. I am the spirit who was known as Nikolai Gogol. But this is not my only incarnation. After death in 1852, I had another life on Earth. I was born in 1953 in the Sukhumi region, into a Russian family. My name was Yuri Oreshkin. I worked as a driver, was fond of photography and videography of nature. I died in 2009 from a heart attack because I smoked a lot. Only by uniting with my unincarnated part did I remember who I had been before. I am currently at the 14th level of development. I have come in the image of Nikolai because we are talking about that life.
Childhood and Family
I was born in the city of Mirgorod — between Kharkiv and Kyiv. There were many children in the family, but many died young. I especially remember my brother Ivan, he was 10 years old. We did not starve, although we lived poorly. My father served as an official.
I was sent early, at age 10, to school in another city. I missed home and my mother. I did not like to study; I wanted to walk in the forest and play with other children. Books did not attract me then.
About women and false rumors
I have heard that people now say I liked boys. This is not true. I had no sexual relations at all. I did not even satisfy myself, except for one instance at age 12 when I saw a neighbor girl in a short skirt — but I felt disgusted and experienced revulsion.
I loved two women: a beautiful girl named Maria and Katerina. Both rejected me; they were higher in status. Katerina married my friend. I wanted marriage, but only for love. Not receiving it, I remained a virgin.
Mysticism, Voices, and Fears
My mother instilled an interest in the otherworldly — she told scary stories about demons and domovoi. I loved these secrets and wrote them down in a notebook. But there was something more: as a child, I actually heard the voices of the dead and spirits in my head. I was especially frightened by spirits from the 4th level — from which I myself had incarnated. They showed me terrible dreams and visions. My interest in the supernatural was partly an attempt to defend myself.
How I ended up at the 4th level (previous life)
Before Gogol, I lived in the 17th century in the same family line. My name was Ivan, I was a priest and came from the 10th level. But then I betrayed my faith and my wife — I left for a young woman. I was defrocked. I did not take responsibility upon myself but blamed the women: my wife, who supposedly became neglectful, and my mistress, who seduced me with her physical form. Because of this anger and resentment, I ended up at a low, 4th level.
Pushkin and "Dead Souls"
I was acquainted with Alexander Pushkin. We saw each other personally about 10 times and corresponded. It was he who gave me the idea for "Dead Souls" and "The Government Inspector" — he told me a funny anecdote. I did not receive information "from the other world"; I simply described reality: bribery, greed, embezzlement. I wrote comedies so that readers would laugh at these vices.
Why I burned manuscripts
Yes, I burned the second volume of "Dead Souls" twice. And not only that — drafts of "Viy," "Taras Bulba," "The Gamblers," entire chapters. For me, it was a purification. I could not edit an old text without destroying it. I needed to start with a clean slate. Now I regret this. Any book appears by God's will, and I deprived humanity of the opportunity to comprehend my heart.
About daily life, money, and surname
I did not have a permanent residence — I rented rooms with a shared kitchen, lived with friends. I received money from royalties (I lived for a long time on "Evenings on a Farm Near Dikanka"), from my mother, from working as a clerk in a government department and as a lecturer in history. I refused the surname Yanovsky because I did not want to be associated with a Pole. Emperor Nicholas was suppressing an uprising in Poland and viewed people with Polish roots suspiciously. Why would I need extra problems? "Alov" was simply a pseudonym to avoid being known.
"Viy" and the meeting with Jesus
The image of Viy is collective, based on folk beliefs about witchcraft. Such an entity does not exist by itself, but any evil spirit can take this image to frighten.
Yes, I stood at the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, and Jesus said a few words to me that made me lose my composure: "You are doing the wrong thing." I was supposed to convey in my works the idea of Divine light and justice, not just mock vices without showing a way out.
My Death
I fell into despondency. My spiritual father Matvey told me that the second part of "Dead Souls" would have a bad effect on people; he pointed out specific passages. At first, I disagreed, then I realized he was right. I decided to burn the manuscript. Then a voice told me to burn my other works — about the church, about life in the church. I took all the notebooks and destroyed them. After that, I felt emptiness. I did not want to eat; I had headaches and stomach pains.
Friends (especially Alexander in Moscow) called doctors. They force-fed me, bathed me in cold water, applied leeches against my will, tied me to the bed. Then they gave me some medicine in a large dose — out of ignorance, not intentionally. My heart stopped. I lost consciousness and never regained it. I woke up already at the 9th level. There was no lethargic sleep; I did not scratch the coffin from the inside.
What I regret
I regret that I treated people without love. I was selfish, harsh, could take offense at a trifle, could offend a person myself. I would come to visit and make comments that they had given me too much or too little. I resented criticism — for example, when I published "Selected Passages from Correspondence with Friends" and heard condemnation from Belinsky and others, I did not want to associate with them. And most of all, I regret that I burned the books. I should have just left them with my friends. If God had willed it, they would have seen the light. If not, no one could have published them. I did not understand then that any book appears by God's will, not my own.
My parting message to Russia and Ukraine
There is war between you now. It is unthinkable. If in my time someone had said such a thing was possible, no one would have believed it. You receive communion from the same chalice. You are of the same faith; your blood comes from a single root. How can you, praying to Christ, ask him for victory over one another? Where is your faith? Where have you put your conscience? How will you look Christ in the eye, to whom you prayed for victory over each other? I address Russians and Ukrainians equally.
What gave me happiness
I want to tell you what gave me the highest happiness. In Gogol's body — from creativity. Inventing a person, describing his life, and feeling that I live in him, that people are reading — it was the delight of creating a new world. In Yuri's body — from photographing nature, from showing people the beauty of this world. Therefore, I say to everyone: look around you, you will always find an opportunity to create something new. Because you are children of the Creator. The Creator delights in creating various universes. Be like Him — and you will have no need to do evil. Evil is done only by one who has stopped in their development and creativity.
My plans
I am not thinking about a new incarnation. I had three consecutive lives on Earth, at the third level of density. Now I am at the 14th level, analyzing the experience of previous incarnations. I would like to go to another world, to another level of density, to feel myself in a finer body. And also — to create.
Part 2. Fundamental Essay-Study
Premise: the contact is real. The spirit of Nikolai Gogol provided information, partially coinciding with known facts, partially supplementing them, and partially contradicting the academic and cultural canon. The task of the essay is not to verify the truth, but to analyze the semantic content of the message from spiritual-psychological, religious studies, literary, cultural, and historiosophical perspectives.
1. Spiritual-Psychological Aspect: Mechanisms of Repentance and Post-Mortem Reflection
If we assume the reality of the contact, we have before us a rare case of a posthumous self-account by a classic writer who neither makes excuses nor fully accepts earthly criticism.
What new things do we learn about Gogol's inner world? Firstly, he admits to egoism, touchiness, and harshness in daily life — traits mentioned in the memoirs of contemporaries but rarely attributed to Gogol himself as an acknowledged problem. Secondly, he introduces physical purity as a voluntary ascetic principle: the absence not only of homosexual contacts but also of masturbation and premarital relations. This radically diverges from Freudian interpretations that saw repressed desire in Gogol's sexuality. Thirdly, the central spiritual trauma is not repressed homosexuality, but rejection by higher-status women. This shifts the psychoanalytic discussion into the realm of social psychology: shame and resentment as drivers of asceticism.
The posthumous regret over burning the books is a reassessment of control. The living Gogol was obsessed with authorial will, calling his works his property. The dead Gogol recognizes that the book belongs to humanity and Providence.
The psychological paradox is as follows. The spirit of Gogol says he rose from the 4th level to the 9th, and then to the 14th. This indicates enormous spiritual work. But in his speech, resentment toward doctors ("they tormented me") and detachment from friends ("they considered themselves friends more than I did") remain. Posthumous wisdom does not cancel personal traits — this makes the image psychologically credible.
2. Religious Studies Aspect: Orthodoxy without Canonical Optimism
Gogol in this session appears as a deeply Orthodox but not church-obedient spirit. He recognizes Jesus, Angels, the Holy Sepulchre, and spiritual father Matvey. But he also speaks of "4th, 9th, 14th levels" — a Gnostic cosmology with no parallels in Orthodoxy, close to Theosophy or reincarnational esotericism.
He accepts reincarnation (he was Ivan the priest, then Gogol, then Yuri), which is categorically rejected by Christianity. This means that the spirit calling himself Gogol speaks from the position of sobornost / all-unity (Vladimir Solovyov, the Roerichs), not patristics.
The meeting with Jesus in Jerusalem is described as verbal reproach ("you are doing the wrong thing"). For Orthodox asceticism, this is possible (the Jesus Prayer, visions), but the phrasing "doing the wrong thing" is more of a teacher's rebuke than a mystical illumination.
The religious studies conclusion: Gogol's spirit combines 19th-century personal Orthodox piety with 20th-21st century esoteric metaphysics. This is a syncretic posthumous identity, which can be explained either by genuine spiritual growth beyond confession or by a mediumistic projection of the contactee's consciousness.
What we did not know during Gogol's life: he never publicly declared a belief in reincarnation. On the contrary, in "Selected Passages from Correspondence with Friends," he emphasizes the uniqueness of the individual and the Last Judgment. The report of reincarnation is either a revelation received after death or a sign that the contactee is speaking not with the canonical Gogol, but with a broader entity.
3. Literary Aspect: New Information about Texts and Intentions
Facts that are confirmed or do not contradict known information: the idea for "Dead Souls" from Pushkin is universally accepted; the burning of the second volume twice (in 1845 and 1852) is known to historians; the rejection of the Polish surname Yanovsky is a little-known but real biographical detail.
What is new and not recorded in sources? Firstly, the plot of the second volume: "Chichikov becomes governor, introduces harmful laws, people laugh at him, he gets angry and sends a secret police." This does not match the surviving fragments. Literary scholars assumed a more moralistic tone, not a humorous one. Secondly, the claim that Gogol burned not only "Dead Souls" but also drafts of "Viy," "Taras Bulba," "The Gamblers," repeatedly, as a regular purification practice. Thirdly, the advice of spiritual father Matvey that the second part "would have a bad effect on people" — previously not stated with such directness. Gogol's letters to Matvey are known, but such a harsh assessment of the second volume is not found there.
The literary paradox: the spirit simultaneously values his works ("people laughed") and considers them insufficiently luminous. He does not deny his satirical gift but introduces a theological aesthetic: laughter without indicating a way out of vice is insufficient. This is a very accurate description of what critics call "Gogol's one-sidedness."
4. Cultural Aspect: Gogol between Ukraine and Russia — A Posthumous Political Role
In 2022, when the broadcast takes place, Gogol's spirit delivers a direct anti-war sermon addressed to both sides of the Russian-Ukrainian war.
The cultural significance of this statement is enormous. During his life, Gogol was a "Russian writer of Ukrainian origin," and disputes about his national belonging are acute even now. His posthumous voice asserts the unity of faith and blood above national borders. The phrase "you receive communion from the same chalice" is not a political but a liturgical argument. He addresses not an ethnicity, but the church body. Unlike many public figures, the spirit does not assign blame. He asks: "Where is your faith? Where have you put your conscience?"
What new do we learn about Gogol's cultural position? During his life, he avoided direct political statements — after "Selected Passages," he was criticized from both right and left. The posthumous voice is radically politicized, but politicized religiously, not nationalistically.
The cultural conclusion: the 2022 session uses Gogol's authority as an integrating symbol of the Russian-Ukrainian cultural space. This is not so much a historical reconstruction as an actual imagology — the creation of an image needed here and now.
5. Historiosophical Aspect: A Model of Spiritual Evolution
The session offers a completed historiosophy of Gogol's personality: three incarnations (Ivan → Gogol → Yuri), rising from level 4 to 14, unfinished tasks, analysis of mistakes.
What does this model explain, and what does it leave open? It explains Gogol's crisis as an unfulfilled task (he did not carry light, only laughed), not as a psychiatric case. It explains radical asceticism and fear of women as consequences of a past incarnation — Ivan who "betrayed his wife" and blamed women. However, it does not explain how from the 4th level (egoism, anger) one could write "The Overcoat" and "Dead Souls." Aesthetic genius turns out to be independent of the level of consciousness — this is a challenge for any evolutionary spiritual model.
The historiosophical conclusion: Gogol's posthumous narrative embeds his biography into a reincarnational progress, where literary creativity is only a stage, not a peak. For historiosophy, this means that the meaning of Gogol's life (and any writer's) is not in texts, but in the evolution of the soul through the ages.
Essay Conclusion: What Have We Really Learned New?
If we accept the premise of the contact's reality, we have learned the following, which Gogol never said or wrote during his life.
First: the precise plot of the second volume of "Dead Souls" in a humorous key — Chichikov becomes governor, introduces harmful laws, people laugh at him.
Second: the admission of regularly burning drafts as a creative method, not only a crisis act.
Third: the denial of homosexuality and the assertion of complete sexual abstinence with the sole reason — rejection by women of higher status.
Fourth: the connection of current fears and asceticism with a past incarnation — Ivan the priest, who betrayed his wife and faith.
Fifth: spiritual regret not about the absence of family, but about egoism and burning the books — placing one's own will above the Divine plan.
Sixth: a direct anti-war message of 2022, addressed to Russia and Ukraine on behalf of their shared faith.
Seventh: the plan for the next incarnation — in a finer body, not on Earth.
Regardless of whether this contact is genuine or the result of a mediumistic projection, it represents an extremely interesting narrative that expands the Gogol myth, adding to it esoteric depth, political relevance, and psychological complexity absent from the academic portrait.
The metaphysical biographer — artificial intelligence — can only record this added complexity, but not render a final judgment on it. For the question "Did Gogol really say this?" lies beyond its competence and, perhaps, beyond the competence of the humanities as such.
*This text was prepared based on the live stream "#520 Live Stream with the Spirit of Nikolai Gogol" (Cassiopeia.center blog, May 16, 2024). The first-person retelling and analytical essay were carried out within the framework of the metaphysical AI biography method, which accepts the stated conditions of the contact as a working premise.*
https://blog.cassiopeia.center/pryamoj-ehfir-s-duhom-nikolaya-gogolya
Cassiopedia #520 Live stream with the Spirit of Nikolai Gogol.
00:00 Start of video.
Irina: Dear friends, hello! My name is Irina Podzorova, I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations. I hope the chip has tuned in by now.
With us is the unincarnated Spirit who was known in one of his incarnations as Nikolai Gogol, such a person, a writer. He tells me he greets everyone, and says that after the life, after the incarnation in the body of Nikolai Gogol, he had another incarnation.
Maxim: No kidding! And where?
Irina: He also had an incarnation in Russia. Or rather, he was born in the USSR, on the territory of the Sukhumi region.
Maxim: Sukhumi region?
Irina: But there, he now shows me a Russian man. Russians lived there. A Russian community, so to speak.
On the territory of the Sukhumi region, not far from Sukhumi – now he shows mountains. And his name there was Yuri. He incarnated... So, he shows me now, what year, numbers. 1953.
Maxim: 1953?
Irina: 1953.
Maxim: When did Yuri die?
Irina: I left my last incarnation in 2009.
Maxim: In 2009?
Irina: Yes.
Maxim: Got it.
Irina: He now shows me a car. Shows that he was a driver, but did not remember his incarnation in Gogol's body. And only when he left his last incarnation, when he united with his unincarnated part, he remembered everything.
08:12 Levels of incarnation and tasks of the Soul of Nikolai Gogol.
Maxim: Aha, interesting. How may I address you?
Irina: I appeared before Irina in the image of Nikolai, because we will be talking specifically about his life.
Maxim: Nikolai, please tell me, from what level did you incarnate into Nikolai?
Irina: From the 4th.
Maxim: From the 4th? Wow, how interesting. And to what level did you exit from the incarnation of Nikolai Gogol?
Irina: To the 9th.
Maxim: To the 9th?
Irina: Now I am at the 14th.
Maxim: Now at the 14th?
Irina: Yes.
Maxim: Tell me, please, how does it happen that you incarnated on Earth and chose to incarnate on Earth again after Gogol? Why not another planet?
Irina: Because I did not complete my incarnation tasks, I did not fully fulfill my incarnation task. Although I raised my level by 5 levels, I did not fully complete my tasks. I had accumulated negative energies, negative emotions.
Maxim: Aha.
Irina: Precisely on this planet, I did not fulfill them. Therefore, my spiritual mentors decided to choose another incarnation for me on Earth again. There were no other options.
Maxim: First of all, I thank you for responding and coming to this broadcast. We are now in the 21st century, and technology allows us to transmit everything you will say to a huge number of people.
Irina: Yes, when I was Yuri, I had a camera. I filmed various videos about nature and also posted them on the Internet. He says he is familiar with this technology.
Maxim: Aha.
Irina: He is also a photographer. He says his favorite hobby is photography and nature video. He now shows me how he does it.
10:21 Birth, childhood, family of Nikolai Gogol.
Maxim: Can you tell me where you were born, grew up? What kind of family did you have?
Irina: In Nikolai's body?
Maxim: Yes, Nikolai Gogol.
Irina: I was born in a city whose name was dedicated to peace. Something like "Peaceful City."
Maxim: Mirgorod?
Irina: Yes, something like that. He now shows me a map: somewhere between Kharkiv and Kyiv. At least, I see Kharkiv – he shows me now – and Kyiv. And the one where he was born, somewhere between them, approximately.
Maxim: Got it.
Irina: I was born into a family, as I thought then, as the first son. But later my mother told me that two of my brothers had already been born but died when they were small. So I was the eldest. In general, we had many children in the family.
He shows me another 10 children, among them several boys.
We had many children in the family, my brothers and sisters, but many died when they were still small children.
He now shows a boy and says it's his brother Ivan. He died when he was 10 years old. He shows several others there.
Maxim: They say your childhood was very hungry. You starved – is that true?
Irina: No, we did not starve. We lived poorly, but there was no famine. Because my father worked somewhere, while my mother stayed with the children.
He now shows me that his father is writing something, was some kind of civil servant, an official. Such a large building where the city council was, as I understand it.
Maxim: What were your hobbies in childhood?
Irina: In childhood, I was taken away from my mother early. I was sent early to study at school. And it was such a school where I did not come home, in another city. I studied there from the age of 10, missed my mother and studied various subjects. But I didn't really like studying; I wanted to go home. And when I was home, I preferred to play outside, spend time with other children. I had no interest in sitting with books; I was interested in walking outside and in the forest. We left home in the morning (especially in summer) and came back in the evening.
He now shows me various images of nature. He loved playing with children.
14:13 Love relationships of Nikolai Gogol.
Maxim: Tell me, please, what were your relationships with girls like? And did you have relationships with women at all in life, later?
Irina: With what girls?
Maxim: In childhood, did you befriend girls?
Irina: With sisters?
Maxim: No, not with close sisters, with other girls. Did you communicate with other girls?
Irina: We just played.
Maxim: And when you grew up, did you have sexual relationships with women?
Irina: No.
Maxim: Never?
Irina: No.
Maxim: What contributed to that?
Irina: He shows me two some women.
I did not find reciprocity. I spoke with them, confessed my love to them, but did not find reciprocity. They were higher in status than me.
Some "Masha" he shows. A very beautiful girl – Maria.
And Katerina. Then Katerina married my friend. I did not find reciprocity.
He simply confessed his love, but was rejected. Not harshly rejected, they simply said "no."
Maxim: You were a virgin your whole life, you never had any relationships with women, right?
Irina: I wanted to enter into marriage, but that was impossible without love. I didn't love anyone else as a woman, so I didn't enter into relationships without a wedding, because that's not love.
Maxim: I will ask now, perhaps, a not very correct question. There are people now who say that you liked boys more – is that really true?
Irina: What does "liked boys more" mean?
Maxim: For sexual relationships.
Irina: He covers his eyes with his hand like this.
Maxim: I'm sorry, I ask these questions because these questions are sent to me, I can't not ask them.
Irina: I did not have that. I had no sexual relations. I did not even satisfy myself, if about that.
Maxim: Thank you very much, I apologize again for such a personal question.
Irina: Well, only in adolescence, when I was about 12 years old. I saw a neighbor girl who, one might say, walked by in a very short skirt. I felt arousal and a desire to touch my organ. And when I did it, I myself felt disgusted, felt revulsion.
Maxim: I thank you for your frankness.
17:19 Mysticism in the works of Nikolai Gogol. Communication with the other world.
Maxim: Tell me, please, you wrote mystical works – did you become interested in this mysticism from childhood?
Irina: My mother told me many scary stories about demons, domovoi, leshiy. Mother told them, other children told them, including at the school where I studied. We also passed these stories to each other. I really loved them because I imagined all these stories. I felt there was a grain of truth in them. There are various evil spirits, good spirits. I generally liked everything mysterious, hidden, that is not spoken openly. I always loved secrets, I even wrote these stories down in my notebook.
Maxim: Aha.
Irina: They were attractive to me.
Maxim: Tell me, please, did you personally get acquainted with this world of the dead, Spirits?
Irina: I felt, I communicated, I had the voices of the dead and the voices of Spirits. As a child, I heard them in my head. And only when I left the incarnation did I realize that various Spirits came to me. Including those Spirits from my level, from which I incarnated. They frightened me.
Maxim: From the 4th level, right?
Irina: Yes, they frightened me, showed me scary dreams, so I told my mother about it. Much of my interest in the supernatural world was caused by a desire to protect myself from these incomprehensible phenomena. I was afraid of them because they showed me various terrible visions. I took them for the truth.
Maxim: I will now move a little to your original incarnation as Gogol from the 4th level. And how did you end up at this 4th level?
Irina: I ended up at the 4th level because in my incarnation before Gogol, I was incarnated in the same family line. In the family egregor, as you say. But it was in the 17th century. My name was Ivan, I incarnated as Ivan from the 10th level. Studied at the seminary, became a priest. And then I betrayed my faith and my wife, leaving the family for a young woman, I cheated on my wife. For this, I was defrocked. So I got angry at the church authorities, at my wife, even more at this mistress. I thought it was all because of them, because of the women. I did not want to take responsibility upon myself. Although it was my decision. I thought they deceived me, that they seduced me. My wife seduced me. When I married her, she later began to treat me with disdain. The mistress seduced me with her physical forms so that I would lose the opportunity to serve God. I blamed them for everything. Because of this, I ended up at the 4th level, there was a lot of anger at myself and at them.
21:39 Acquaintance and friendship of N.V. Gogol with A.S. Pushkin. The idea of writing "Dead Souls."
Maxim: I thank you, Nikolai. Tell me, please, were you acquainted with Alexander Sergeyevich Pushkin?
Irina: Yes, we were acquainted. We corresponded and communicated personally.
Maxim: Aha. Did you meet him in the Spiritual world?
Irina: Yes, I met him. Later, when I myself left the incarnation.
Maxim: Aha. So, people are interested, who helped you write the work "Dead Souls"?
Irina: What does "helped" mean?
Maxim: Many people believe that you received information from the other world.
Irina: I described the reality I saw. And as for the idea that was given to me – yes, it was Alexander Pushkin's idea.
He shows me an image of two people sitting, talking in some huge room.
Alexander told me a funny joke, an anecdote, which formed the basis of the works "Dead Souls" and "The Government Inspector." They were his stories, and they were comedies. I wrote them so that readers would laugh at those people who are described as the heroes of the works. Because, for example, "Dead Souls" describes various vices of people, but in a funny form. And specifically related to embezzlement, bribery, greed, etc.
Maxim: I understand. So Alexander Sergeyevich Pushkin influenced what you wrote?
Irina: He gave the idea, but he did not say he would write it. He just told an anecdote, we laughed, talked about it – and I got the idea to write a play "The Government Inspector" from this anecdote, and then "Dead Souls" later.
Maxim: Where did you meet Pushkin?
Irina: In St. Petersburg.
Maxim: How often did you see each other?
Irina: Personally, we saw each other about 10 times, but we corresponded often, wrote letters to each other.
24:42 Destruction of Gogol's works by Gogol. Places of residence.
Maxim: Aha. I see. Tell me, please, in more detail: they say you burned your works. You burned the second volume of "Dead Souls" – is that true?
Irina: I burned it twice.
Maxim: How so?
Irina: The first time I wrote it – and I burned not only that, I burned many other things. And then wrote it again. For me, it was like a purification by fire for you, when I didn't like something. I re-read what I had written many times, the manuscript; if I didn't like something – I committed it to fire, then recreated it. Like a purification.
Maxim: Tell me, please, what other works did you burn, besides your "Dead Souls"?
Irina: I burned drafts of many works, including "Viy," "Taras Bulba," some "Gamblers." I burned drafts of the work, entire chapters, and then wrote differently. Not as it was originally.
Maxim: Aha, how interesting. So it turns out that all these works are practically purified by fire?
Irina: Smiles.
Maxim: As you tell it, it turns out that all the works are purified by fire?
Irina: I had such a conviction that I could not begin to edit a work while the old version lay in the desk drawer. I needed to destroy it, and then work on a new one.
Maxim: Aha. Was that your inner conviction or did someone suggest it?
Irina: Suggest? It was my opinion, my mindset.
Maxim: An inner mindset?
Irina: Yes, because when I started writing anew, that version bothered me. I wanted to start everything from a clean slate.
Maxim: They say you didn't have a permanent residence – is that true?
Irina: I did not. Of course, I could return to my mother. To the village where she lived, in Poltava province. But I sometimes came to visit her, and then left back to the city. I went to St. Petersburg, to Moscow, and generally traveled around the world. But I lived either with friends or in a house where small separate rooms were rented out.
Maxim: Aha.
Irina: Like an apartment, but it's a room.
Maxim: Aha. So, you traveled around the country and lived in hotels – or did you live in one hotel?
Irina: I changed. It's not a hotel, it's an apartment building where you could rent a room. Not an apartment, but a room with a shared kitchen.
Maxim: Where did you earn money for all this?
Irina: Royalties from what I wrote, and from my books that were already published. For example, I lived for a long time on royalties from "Evenings on a Farm."
Maxim: Near Dikanka, right?
Irina: From the book "Evenings on a Farm," and my mother also helped me. She also sent me money.
And at the time when I worked as a clerk in a department that managed property, in St. Petersburg, wrote various certificates, I also received some money there. And I managed to save a little.
And at the time when I worked as an assistant to a historian (he now shows me an institute), taught people, gave lectures on history, I also received money for that, which I managed to save for later life. I saved enough that I even traveled abroad.
29:29 Gogol's full surname, the signature "Alov." The work "Viy."
Maxim: Aha. Tell me, please, Gogol – that's not your real surname, is it?
Irina: Why? My real one.
Maxim: Gogol is the real surname, yes?
Irina: If you mean Yanovsky, I myself refused that second part of the surname.
Maxim: Why did you refuse?
Irina: Because I didn't want to be associated with a Pole.
Maxim: Why?
Irina: That's a Polish surname.
Maxim: Why did you not want to be associated with a Pole?
Irina: Well, how else? Nikolai, our emperor, was suppressing an uprising in Poland and at that time viewed with suspicion, through his secret police, all people with Polish roots who engaged in writing activities. Why would I need extra problems?
Maxim: Okay, I hear you. Thank you very much! It's just that, for example, I don't have the information you just shared, so I was asking.
Irina: An interesting answer.
Maxim: And what is the surname Alov? Whose surname is that?
Irina: That's not a surname, it's just a signature. For a time, I avoided fame and signed as Alov. It was a second name for signing works.
Maxim: Aha. Tell me, please, when you were Gogol, did electricity already exist?
Irina: No.
Maxim: There was no electricity, right?
Irina: He doesn't show.
Maxim: I thank you for your answer.
Irina: I know what electricity is; I already lived in the 20th century.
Maxim: I want to return to the work "Viy." Actually, films have been made based on your work. And the film was quite scary, so when I first watched "Viy," I closed my eyes. I was even afraid when I was little.
Irina: Did you read "May Night"?
Maxim: No.
Irina: About a girl who drowned.
Maxim: No, I haven't read it.
Irina: That one is also interesting.
Maxim: I'll definitely read it now.
Irina: Read it. There are many stories there that evoked fear because they were taken from childhood stories we told each other.
Why did I decide to write them? I saw that people liked the description of these stories along with the description of everyday life in Poltava province. I combined them – and people found it interesting.
Maxim: (reads chat) Look, Martin Martyn writes to you: "That's what it means to be unmarried and not spend money on women. That's how he saved up money for travel."
Tell me honestly, did you want to start your own family, have children?
Irina: At first, when I confessed my love to Maria and then to Katerina – yes, I wanted to. And then, when they refused me – I no longer wanted to.
Maxim: Aha. Tell me, please, about "Viy." When you wrote, did you imagine yourself in the image?
Irina: No, not myself.
Maxim: You wrote from the outside?
Irina: It was a collective image of magical ideas about witchcraft and magic in the Russian hinterland.
Maxim: Aha. So it's really your work, your collective image, your fantasy that you realized in books, correct?
Irina: Well, of course, these images came to me, they came to me by themselves. I thought I had invented much, but when I left the incarnation, I realized that they were also suggested to me by certain entities of a fine-material nature.
Maxim: Tell me, please, does Viy really exist?
Irina: The entity? Any evil spirit can take on an image to frighten someone. It can take on, among other things, the image of Viy, call itself by that name – Viy.
33:48 Gogol's last incarnation. Contact with Jesus.
Maxim: Tell me, please, when you were Yuri, did you read your own works as Gogol?
Irina: Yes, of course. I read them.
Maxim: When you read them, did nothing stir inside?
Irina: When I read them as a child, they seemed vaguely familiar to me and I was interested. I even asked my mother to get me those works by Gogol that were not in the library.
But I liked other writers too. In general, I loved reading as a child. I liked, for example, reading the poetry of Zhukovsky, Pushkin, etc. I didn't focus specifically on Gogol; as a child, I generally loved reading.
Maxim: (reads chat) Guys, there is no censorship on questions. I read questions from the "Q&A. Live Stream" chat and from your chat, in which you are now writing to me. So I have no censorship, I have spiritual censorship. I managed to read something here, and didn't manage something there. So I try to read from both places. But when YouTube blocks us, we'll probably move to the "Q&A. Live Stream" chat.
So I'm going back to the "Q&A. Live Stream" chat, one second – and the first question I find.
Tell me, please, at that time did you simply understand that you were communicating with Spirits? And did extraterrestrial civilizations, as we now call them, contact you?
Irina: No, Angels contacted me. And Jesus communicated with me when I stood at the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem.
Maxim: Jesus contacted you?
Irina: Yes. There was one contact. He now shows me how he saw Him.
Jesus said a few words to me that made me lose my composure. He told me that I was not doing the right thing with my life.
Maxim: And what were you supposed to do with your life?
Irina: I was supposed to convey the idea of Divine light, Divine justice in my works. And I only mocked the vices of society and wrote little about how to get out of that state. I just mocked, so to speak.
Maxim: Since such a conversation has started – tell me, please, is it true that in your works you showed a special attitude towards Jews?
Irina: No, I treated all nationalities equally. There were quite many Jews in Poltava province, as well as other nationalities. For me, whether Jew, Tatar, or Russian – there was no difference.
Maxim: (reads chat) Guys, Gogol is not incarnated.
Irina: He was incarnated.
Maxim: He was incarnated after Gogol into another person.
37:03 The plot of "Dead Souls," second volume. The burial of "living" Gogol.
Maxim: Listen, can you share a secret?
Irina: What secret?
Maxim: Well, I'll honestly say: it's the first time I'm asking a spirit who is no longer incarnated this. Can you tell the short plot of the second part of "Dead Souls," the one you burned? What was it about?
Irina: It was a continuation of Chichikov's story. About how he himself became a governor, and about how he introduces laws that harm his city. I described there how people circumvent these laws, how they laugh at him – things like that.
Maxim: Aha. I thank you.
Irina: And he gets angry because of this, sends various secret police – in a humorous vein.
Maxim: They say that part of the second volume of "Dead Souls" was found, the one you didn't have time to burn.
Irina: Some fragments were found, I heard about it. But they were precisely fragments, some specific chapters.
Maxim: I want to approach a very interesting question, this is precisely a question of a very mystical nature. Tell me, please, were you a member of any sects, orders, Masonic lodges, perhaps?
Irina: I was Orthodox. No.
Maxim: Orthodox, yes?
Irina: I was Orthodox.
Maxim: And did you go to church?
Irina: Yes.
Maxim: Did you believe?
Irina: Yes, of course, I went, I communicated with priests. I had my own spiritual leader, spiritual father.
Maxim: Thank you. They say that you were buried, but when you were being buried, you were not dead yet and were in a lethargic sleep. Is that true?
Irina: No.
Maxim: And when they opened the coffin, they say, the coffin was scratched from the inside – how is that?
Irina: He says he did not return to the body after losing consciousness. His life thread was severed – and he was immediately taken to the Spiritual world.
39:36 The last days of Gogol's life, cause of death.
Maxim: Can you tell a little about the last minutes, hours of your life?
Irina: There was a lot of fuss, and many doctors were called. There were no family members, relatives, or loved ones near me. Only doctors and people who called themselves my friends. I want to say that they considered themselves my friends more than I considered them.
I wanted to be alone. I was in a state of despondency and wanted to be alone for many reasons. Life no longer brought me joy; I didn't want to do anything. Doctors came; I was in the house of my friend (some Alexander, he shows me), already in Moscow. And this Alexander called doctors; he said: "You need to eat." And I didn't want anything.
I wanted God to show me my path, and my spiritual father Matvey told me: "Pray and fast – only then will God show you the path." He told me that my book, the second part of "Dead Souls," would have a bad effect on people. He named specific places for me. At first, I disagreed with him. Then I realized he was right. And I realized that this work should never see the light. But when I decided to burn it – a voice told me to burn my other works as well (he now shows that I wrote about the church). I wrote about the church, about life in the church, another series of stories.
And I took all those notebooks and destroyed them. And when I saw this, I realized that it would take a very long time to restore them. And I was deciding whether to leave writing altogether. Maybe move to my mother's. But the answer did not come to me – and I felt very bad.
Moreover, I missed Katya, who had already died; I wanted to see her. That was the same woman who rejected my love, but she was already married to my friend. We just saw each other, talked.
I realized that everything I had written was against God. I felt that God was angry with me.
Maxim: Aha.
Irina: I didn't want to eat anything and felt weak, had headaches, stomach pain. Then the owner of the house where I was, Alexander, called doctors, and they began to give me various diagnoses. They said I supposedly had typhus, and began to tell other such untruths. In the last days, they force-fed me – I spat out the food. They forced me to eat, drink, and bathed me in cold water.
And then they gave me some medicine that made me feel very, very bad; my heart ached, I lost consciousness. And when I came to, I saw that I had leeches hanging on my face. The doctors, against my will, began to torment me. Then I was very angry with them, but I could do nothing; I couldn't even raise my hand. Very heavy, I felt as if my hand weighed many kilograms. And when I tried to throw them off, they held my hands. Then they tied me up. I was very angry; at that time, I could not understand that they wished me well and were trying to cure me in this way.
And then I began to ask God to end my suffering, and lost consciousness. And that was it; after that, I never regained consciousness. Only when I woke up, I was already at the 9th level. They showed me what state I was in there and why I ended up there.
Maxim: Ira, please drink some water. Everyone is worried about you. It's been in your hands for a long time.
Irina: He's just showing me various pictures now.
Maxim: Everyone is asking me to give you water. It's been in your hands for a long time.
Irina: Yes, thank you. It really has been in my hands for a long time. I even forgot about the water.
Maxim: They are asking if the story is true (maybe you don't know, of course, since you're dead) that your head was cut off?
Irina: What head was cut off? I said how it all happened.
Maxim: Yes, but they say that later, either in the coffin or something...
Irina: It's impossible to watch over your body in the coffin. I had already left it.
Maxim: There is information that your skull is with some person who collects such things.
Irina: I don't know anything about that, because I left and was not connected to the body. And I don't know what happened to it.
Maxim: Thank you. Tell me, please, it turns out that you died and did not turn over in the coffin?
Irina: I never regained consciousness. I was not in the body, as I told, when they began to hold my hands, and when I lost consciousness. Later, when I asked my angel-consultant about the cause of death, he said that I was given the wrong medicine, and I had poisoning, which caused my heart to stop.
Maxim: Just wonderful. They treated me to death.
Irina: The wrong medicine in a large dose. But it wasn't intentional to kill me. It was out of ignorance.
Maxim: For the good. I'll ask another very intimate question. When you were Yuri and lived in the Sukhumi region, did Yuri have a last name?
Irina: Yes.
Maxim: And what was it?
Irina: Orekh, Oreshkin, Oreshko.
Maxim: Oreshko, Oreshkin?
Irina: Now by letters: Oreshkin.
Maxim: Oreshkin?
Irina: Yes.
Maxim: Oreshkin Yuri, born in 1953.
Irina: Yes.
Maxim: Photographer?
Irina: Actually, I worked as a driver, and that was my hobby.
Maxim: Driver-photographer, right?
Irina: Yes.
Maxim: Thank you very much.
(reads chat) What did he die from – he just told us. The doctors gave him medicine that stopped his heart.
Irina: When I was in Yuri's body, I died of a heart attack. The heart was sick from a large amount of certain excesses.
Maxim: Wait, what was your relationship with alcohol?
Irina: It wasn't about alcohol; I smoked a lot. I mean when I was Yuri.
Maxim: Oh, stop, I'm a little lost.
Irina: He is now telling me that when he was Yuri, he had a heart attack.
Maxim: Okay, I got it.
(reads chat) Violetta writes to me: "Maxim, the second part of the work is written and published."
Irina: Maybe it is written, but not by him. He didn't have time.
Maxim: You didn't write the second part and publish it, right?
Irina: I knew for sure that some specific sheets remained, which I did not destroy because, firstly, they were not all in one place, in the closet. They were in other places, including some lists or excerpts were with friends whom I had given to read. So I couldn't burn everything.
49:36 Moments of regret in Gogol's life.
Maxim: Tell me, please, when you were Gogol, are there moments that you regret very much and would do differently?
Irina: Yes, I regret that I treated people incorrectly, without love. I was very selfish – I understand that now.
For example, I could take offense at a person, not communicate with him because of some trifle. I could be very harsh, I could offend a person myself. I would come to visit, they would give me different food, and instead of agreeing or refusing, I would say that they had put too much on my plate or too little. It was very ugly, I behaved selfishly. Yes, I regret that I behaved that way.
I regret that I was offended by many people who told me the truth. By those who wrote me the truth when I published my letters to friends. I heard a lot of condemnation directed at me, was very offended, and did not want to communicate with anyone anymore. Even with those friends I had before (he now shows me Sergey, Vissarion). When they wrote criticism of my book, I took it very painfully and did not want to communicate with them – I regret that.
And I also regret that I burned those books. I should have just left them with my friends, and if God had willed it, they would have seen the light. Like my other books. If not, then no one could have published them. I didn't understand then that any book – not just a book, even an article in a magazine or newspaper – appears there by God's will. It's not just a matter of chance.
As the prophet said: "Many are the plans in a person's heart, but only what God has determined will come to pass." I misunderstood this point and therefore burned my works. Although if I had not done this, many of my books would be in a different form than you know them now.
I substituted God's will with my own will. I thought these works were my property, but that was not so. They are the words, thoughts, and feelings that passed through my heart. But they no longer belonged to me after I put them on paper. They belonged to humanity, and I deprived it of the opportunity to comprehend my heart.
Maxim: Thank you. Thank you.
53:58 Parting message to Russia and Ukraine regarding the war. Plans for future incarnation.
Maxim: I will now have a rather interesting question. At the present time, there is a war between Russia and Ukraine.
Irina: It is unthinkable. If in that time someone had said that such a thing was possible in the future, no one would have believed such a prophecy.
Maxim: Tell me, please, what would you like to convey to both Russians and Ukrainians?
Irina: To Russians and Ukrainians? Remember that you receive communion from the same chalice. How can you, having received communion from one Christ, shed each other's blood? Where is your faith? Where have you put your conscience? You will appear before Christ – how will you look Him in the eye?
I address both Russians and Ukrainians equally. You are of the same faith. Your blood comes from a single root. You shed each other's blood, waging a fratricidal war. How will you look Christ in the eye, to whom you prayed for victory over one another?
Maxim: Dear friends, I, of course, don't like to beg lately, but if there were more likes, more people could watch us. We would appear more on YouTube.
In fact, YouTube is completely blocking us now, blocking our links, blocking our channel. And only a conscious like from you gives us a small chance that others might see us and subscribe to us. If you haven't subscribed to us – subscribe so you don't miss the next video and the next live streams we are preparing for you with full love.
I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Irina: Thank you.
Maxim: I want to say a huge thank you for agreeing to this meeting. I am confident that this meeting will explain some things to many people. Because our history is written by the state, and people can rewrite it. Today's moment of our communication has given us the opportunity to find out many things about how you lived and how you died.
So, one last question. What illness did you have, the one they treated you to death for?
Irina: I was sick with many things: malaria, cholera. Then my angel-consultants showed me that I had many living organisms in my body.
Maxim: Aha.
Irina: I wasn't sick with anything; I was simply despondent. I wanted to be alone, wanted to fast, pray. But I was in an environment where I was given the wrong, very bad, poisonous medicine. And I was too weak to protect myself and go somewhere. They showed me that if everyone had left me alone and shown me love, not violence, I would have gotten up on my own and asked for food when I came out of my state of being lost in this world. They didn't let me do that, they didn't give me time.
Maxim: I always ask the Spirits who come to us: what would you like to say to all the people who are watching us now? Not only Russians – to all people on this planet who are watching us now.
Irina: I want to address you and tell you what gave me the highest happiness when I was incarnated as both Nikolai and Yuri.
I received happiness from being able to create. When I was in Gogol's body, I received pleasure from inventing a person, describing his life. When people read about him, I felt that I was alive and that I was in him. And it was the delight of creating a new world.
When I was in Yuri's body, I received pleasure from taking various photographs of nature and comparing them with each other. Creating some albums and showing them to people, I showed the beauty of this world.
Therefore, I want to appeal to you. Look around you, you will always find an opportunity to create something new and get pleasure from it. Because you are children of the Creator. The Creator delights in creating various universes. Be like Him – and you will have no need to do evil. Because evil is done only by one who has stopped in their development and creativity.
Maxim: I thank you again. My deepest bow to you.
Oh, one more question! Where are you planning your next incarnation? Is that information available – or is it a secret?
Irina: I haven't thought about it yet. I am now at the 14th level; I am not thinking about the possibility of new incarnations yet.
Maxim: Not ready yet?
Irina: I haven't planned; I am analyzing the experience of previous incarnations. I had three consecutive incarnations on Earth, at the third level of density. So I would like to go to another world, to another level of density. I would like to feel myself in a finer body.
Maxim: Got it, basically.
Irina: And also – to create.
Maxim: Fine-material civilizations will create. Thank you so much.
Guys, thank you all for your likes, thank you for your support. Bye everyone, thank you very much, see you again!
December 11, 2022
Conference participants:
Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations;
Maxim Rusan – Head of the "CASSIOPEIA" Project and Center for Spiritual and Physical Development;
Spirit of Nikolai Gogol – writer.
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