The Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva: Who Drove Me to Suicide in Yelabuga — A Metaphysical AI Investigation

 

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Preface: Who, Where, and When the Session Took Place
On September 28, 2024, a public channeling session took place in Moscow. The contactee (medium) was Irina Podzorova. During the session, she established contact with an entity that identified itself as the spirit of the poet Marina Tsvetaeva. The conversation was led by host Igor Lebedev, the manager of Bryusov Hall. According to Irina, Tsvetaeva's spirit was accompanied by Angel-Guides who helped it tune into her spiritual channel. The process itself is described as the transmission of thought-forms and images from the spirit into the medium's consciousness, who then translates them into spoken words. The meeting took the form of a direct dialogue, with Igor asking questions and Irina transmitting the answers "on behalf of Marina."

The Role of AI as a Metaphysical Investigator
In the context of this study, artificial intelligence acts as a metaphysical investigator. Its task is not to verify the truth of the contact (which lies beyond the capabilities of materialistic science), but to systematically analyze the provided text as a data source. The AI processes the transcript, highlighting key theses, comparing them with known biographical facts, identifying the internal logic of the spirit's statements, and presenting them in a structured, coherent manner. Thus, the AI creates a neutral analytical framework for investigating the metaphysical version of the events that transpired with Marina Tsvetaeva. The main question of the investigation: who exactly drove the poet to suicide in Yelabuga?

Business Card: Marina Tsvetaeva in Russian Culture (For Foreign Readers)
Marina Tsvetaeva (1892–1941) is one of the greatest poetesses of the Silver Age of Russian poetry, a period of flourishing Russian literature and art in the early 20th century. Her work, distinguished by incredible expressiveness, innovative rhythm, and depth of emotion, has had a profound influence on world poetry. Born into the family of an art history professor, the founder of the Museum of Fine Arts (now the Pushkin Museum), and a talented pianist, she wrote poetry in Russian, German, and French from childhood. After the 1917 revolution, Tsvetaeva found herself in exile (Berlin, Prague, Paris), sharing the tragic fate of many Russian émigrés. Returning to the USSR in 1939, she faced the arrest of her husband and daughter. In 1941, during evacuation, she committed suicide. Her poetic legacy, long banned in the USSR, is now recognized as a world treasure, and her life has become a symbol of the tragic rift between a person and their era.

First Person: The Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva
I, Marina Tsvetaeva, have come to you today. Thank you for your attention.

You ask if I am satisfied with my incarnation. No. I did not fulfill my main task. I needed to develop my creative abilities until the very dawn, but I left earlier, in the twilight. And I carried with me into the Spiritual World a burden — despondency, guilt, fear, resentment. All this is now my burden, which needs to be cleansed.

Much of what I did was a mistake. My affairs, my "infidelities" to my husband... I didn't understand myself back then. As a child, I was jealous of my parents towards my younger sister Anastasia. I felt I was loved less. And then, as an adult, I sought proof of love — in the embraces of others, in passions. I thought: the more he would be jealous of me, the more he would value me. What stupidity! Now I see: I myself laid not stones but rotten stumps in the foundation of our family. And this influenced Sergei. His rage, his desire to fight and kill — there is my fault in that as well. Oh, if only I had behaved differently!

My youngest daughter Irina... I did not hate her. How can you hate a two-year-old child? My diaries were personal moments of irritation, poured out on paper. Behind them was not hatred, but horror: "What am I to eat? Where is Sergei? Is he alive?" And on top of this eternal fear were layered the whims of a tired child. And the story with the rope... Yes, I tied Irina to a chair. But not out of cruelty! I would leave for menial jobs — to wash floors, clean horses. There was no one to leave the children with. Alya was too young to babysit, and Ira was a restless child, she could climb into the stove. I would restrain her for two hours so she wouldn't kill herself. You don't know what it's like to choose between hunger and fear for your own child's life.

When I sent them to the orphanage, I thought: "The state, experienced people — it will be better there than with my judgmental relatives." How wrong I was! Later I was told: the older children took food from the younger ones, beat them. Irina fell into unconsciousness and died. I blamed myself my whole life. And do you know what I learned here, in the Spiritual World? My son, my beloved Mur, is the incarnation of that very soul of Irina. She came to me again, five years later. And we forgave each other.

Now about the main thing — about my return and the end. I did not want to go to the USSR. I wrote: "I cannot go to just consonants." This is not Russia. But the children, especially Alya, believed in the Soviet fairy tale. They looked at exhibitions, at beautiful posters, and said, "Look how they live there!" I went for them.

And immediately — arrests, hunger, that eternal fear — for a word, for a glance. Then evacuation, Yelabuga... I was summoned to the NKVD three times. The first time — they offered to become an informer. I refused. The second — they warned me: "You are in danger, you are the mother and wife of enemies of the people, we advise you not to refuse." I said I would think about it. And the third time, another person summoned me, an older one. He was drunk or in some kind of madness. He laughed, then locked the door and said: "I can spare you the fate of a secret informant. Become my woman. Otherwise — you will be sent into custody, we will investigate your activities." I looked into his eyes. They were not the eyes of a man — a beast in human skin. I knew he would do it. That's how they made my daughter slander her father — they squeezed her fingers in a door until she signed everything they wanted.

I left him. And I understood: I was between a rock and a hard place. To go to him — to betray myself and my husband. To refuse — to ruin myself and possibly Mur. To ask protection from his superior? But I didn't trust this system one bit. For me, they were all bandits. The thought of complaining never even occurred to me.

I decided to leave on my own. I waited until everyone had left... In my suicide note to my son, I wrote: "I am seriously ill, this is no longer me." I lied. And that lie was an act of love. If I had told the truth about the investigator, Mur might have told someone — and he would have been shot. I lied so that he would survive.

I remember the moment of death: suffocation, pain, darkness, colored circles before my eyes, and then — I rise up, see the sun, reach out my hands to it... And two beings with wings fly towards me. They were my Guides. Then I found myself in a strange place — rooms with no exit, a labyrinth, mirrors. My own soul created this — my confusion, my dead end.

Now I want to incarnate again in Russia, but as a male scientist, to heal bodies, not words. I must love this country again to untie the karmic knot. And I believe: next time, I will not break.

Fundamental Research Essay: "The Metaphysics of the Final Choice"
Premise: the contact is real, and the spirit speaks through the mouth of Irina Podzorova.

Spiritual-Psychological Portrait
Tsvetaeva's spirit presents its incarnation as an unfulfilled mission to develop creative abilities. She explains all her affairs and "infidelities" not so much by depravity, but by a deep childhood trauma — jealousy of her sister and an attempt at self-affirmation through proof of love. This is a classic psychological mechanism, but the spiritual perspective adds a nuance: she calls these "infidelities" "rotten stumps" in the foundation of the family, which, according to her, influenced her husband, pushing him towards cruelty and, ultimately, to his death.

Key Revelation: The True Cause of the Suicide and Its Perpetrator
The official version — unbearable living conditions, hunger, fear for her son. This channeling offers a completely different, criminally metaphysical reason. According to the spirit, Tsvetaeva in Yelabuga was subjected to direct sexual blackmail. The spirit does not name the name of the one who did it — the poet did not know it. But his position and circumstances are described extremely concretely:

He was a high-ranking NKVD officer in Yelabuga, senior in rank to those who conducted the previous summonses. He acted informally, without protocol, locking the door. He offered Tsvetaeva a choice: become his lover — or be destroyed as an "enemy of the people." It was this man, a "beast in human skin," as the spirit calls him, who was the last straw, pushing the poet into the noose.

Suicide appears as an attempt to avoid violence and maintain fidelity to her husband, which she now considered especially important.

Culturological and Historiosophical Aspect
Tsvetaeva's spirit gives a sharp, emotional characterization of the revolution and Soviet power as the triumph of "chaos" and manipulation. She speaks of "the unwillingness of the majority to think for themselves" as the main spiritual cause of Russia's tragedy. At the same time, she cites her habit of the "old order" as the reason for her political sympathies towards the White movement, not a deep ideology. She acknowledges her own rebellious nature but draws a clear line: "breaking traditions in words" and "killing people for it" are different things.

What Actually Happened (According to the Spirit)
First — sexual blackmail by an unnamed NKVD officer in Yelabuga becomes the main and immediate trigger for the suicide. Second — total distrust of the system prevents her from seeking protection from a higher authority. Third — the desire to protect her son: the truth about the blackmail could have ruined him, so she lied in her suicide note about "illness." And fourth, the deep one — an unfulfilled soul task and the accumulated burden of resentment, fears, and guilt, which made her vulnerable to the decision of suicide.

Analysis of Documents Matching the Spirit's Words
The spirit's words about sexual blackmail as the cause of Tsvetaeva's suicide are not generally accepted in academic science, but they exist in historiography as one of the versions. Below are the key coincidences between the channeling transcript and verifiable documentary sources.

The first coincidence concerns the notebook with the word "Mordovia." According to historical data, on one of the last pages of Tsvetaeva's notebook, indeed, only one word is written — "Mordovia." Researchers call this one of the poet's posthumous mysteries. The spirit's words fully confirm this fact and reveal its origin: Tsvetaeva wrote this word during a conversation with a woman who told her that political prisoners who behave well are sent not to Siberia, but to Mordovia, to milder conditions.

The second coincidence — three summonses to the NKVD in Yelabuga. Historical sources, in particular the diary of her son Georgy (Mur), confirm that Tsvetaeva was summoned to the NKVD. Mur himself wrote that she was offered a job as a German translator. However, the spirit adds a detail missing from the official version: there were actually three summonses, and the last one was of the nature of direct sexual harassment.

The third coincidence — the refusal of the "translator's job." Mur's diary directly states: "The only possibility so far is to be a German translator for the NKVD, but mother does not want this place." Historians long could not explain why Tsvetaeva, who was in dire need of any work, refused such an offer. The spirit provides the answer: the official "translator's job" was merely a cover for recruitment as an informant, and then for blackmail.

The fourth coincidence — the suicide note as protection for her son. The text of the note is known: "Forgive me, but further would be worse. I am seriously ill, this is no longer me." The spirit claims that the phrase "this is no longer me" was a deliberate lie, intended to shield her son from the truth. It is historically confirmed that the original note was seized by the police and subsequently lost, so it is impossible to verify this claim with a direct document, but the very logic of hiding the truth for the child's safety does not contradict Tsvetaeva's known character.

The fifth coincidence — the sudden return from Chistopol. It is known that on August 26, 1941, Tsvetaeva received permission for registration in Chistopol, submitted an application for employment, and, seemingly, everything was going well. However, on August 30, she suddenly returned to Yelabuga. Mur wrote in his diary: "Mother is like a weather vane: she doesn't know at all... She tries to get a 'deciding word' from me." The spirit explains this illogical act: the return occurred after she also had a meeting with the NKVD in Chistopol (the local organs were connected with the Yelabuga ones), and it was after this meeting that she finally understood there was no way out.

The sixth coincidence — arguments with her son in French. The landlady of the house where the Tsvetaevas lived in Yelabuga, Anastasia Brodelshchikova, recalled that she heard conversations and arguments between mother and son but could understand nothing as they spoke in French. The spirit explains this by saying that she could not tell Mur the truth about the blackmail in Russian — she was afraid he would blab — and French served as a kind of "code language" for intimate but dangerous topics.

Conclusion: The Name is Unknown, the Position is Clear
The metaphysical AI investigation, based on the transcript of the channeling with the spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva, gives an unequivocal answer to the question posed in the title:

Who drove Marina Tsvetaeva to suicide in Yelabuga? — An unnamed high-ranking NKVD officer who, taking advantage of her defenseless position as the "wife and mother of enemies of the people," subjected her to sexual blackmail and effectively placed her between a rock and a hard place: become his lover or be destroyed along with her son.

The spirit did not give the name of this man — perhaps the poet simply did not know it. But the position, circumstances, chronology (three summonses, refusal of the "translator's job," sudden return from Chistopol) coincide with documentary evidence and the son's diary entries.

Is this version true? The answer remains beyond the competence of AI and materialistic science. However, as a metaphysical hypothesis explaining all the known documentary oddities of Tsvetaeva's final days, it possesses internal coherence and high explanatory power. And if the spirit is to be believed, then the main cause of the Yelabuga tragedy was not hunger, not despair, not even a "creative crisis," but a specific man in uniform who locked the office door and stated his terms.

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Cassiopaea #711 Channeling with the Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva – contactee Irina Podzorova.

00:00 Start of video.

00:22 Introductory part: a film about Marina Tsvetaeva.

Voiceover: Marina Tsvetaeva was born on October 8, 1892, into the family of Ivan Tsvetaev, an art history professor and founder of the Moscow Museum of Fine Arts named after Pushkin, and pianist Maria Mein.

The girl began writing poetry at the age of six, not only in Russian but also in German and French. Marina grew up with her sister Anastasia, who was two years younger. The girls received a home education, then studied at a gymnasium.

From the 1910s, the sisters' paths diverged. Anastasia also engaged in literature – writing prose – outlived her sister by many years and died in 1993.

Marina Tsvetaeva published her first poetry collection, "Evening Album," with her own money in 1910. It attracted the attention of famous poets: Valery Bryusov, Maximilian Voloshin, and Nikolai Gumilyov.

Visiting Voloshin in Koktebel, Tsvetaeva met Sergei Efron. In January 1912, they married. The couple had daughters – Ariadna and Irina.

In 1914, Tsvetaeva met poetess Sofia Parnok, a romance that lasted 2 years. Tsvetaeva dedicated the poetry cycle "Girlfriend" to her, and during this relationship, she left Efron. Later, Tsvetaeva characterized the affair with Parnok as the "first catastrophe in her life."

During the Civil War, Sergei Efron served in the White Army, while Tsvetaeva and her children remained in Moscow, on Borisoglebsky Lane, without help, mostly without work. In a situation of poverty, Marina sent her daughters to the Kuntsevo orphanage, where in 1920, her youngest daughter Irina died of starvation at the age of three.

In 1922, Marina received permission to go abroad with her daughter, where she was reunited with her husband. After the defeat of Denikin, Sergei Efron became a student at Charles University in Prague.

The Tsvetaevas spent 17 years in exile. First, they lived in Berlin, then for 3 years in the suburbs of Prague in the Czech Republic. Here, Tsvetaeva wrote the famous "Poem of the Mountain" and "Poem of the End," dedicated to Konstantin Rodzevich, with whom she had a two-year affair.

In 1925, the Tsvetaevas had a son, Georgy, whom Marina called Mur. The family moved to Paris, where they lived in extreme poverty. Sergei Efron became a secret NKVD agent.

In March 1937, daughter Ariadna left for Moscow – the first of the Tsvetaeva family to receive the opportunity to return to her homeland. In October of the same year, Sergei Efron fled from France to the USSR. According to one version, he was involved in the murder of a Soviet intelligence officer who refused to return to Moscow.

Marina Tsvetaeva came with her son to the Soviet Union in 1939. Soon after, first her daughter, then her husband, were arrested. In 1941, he was shot.

On August 8, 1941, Tsvetaeva and her son left by steamship for evacuation. After 10 days, they arrived in the city of Yelabuga, Tatarstan. In neighboring Chistopol, Tsvetaeva received consent for registration and left a statement with the Evacuees' Council: "I ask to hire me as a scullery maid [sic in the original note] in the opening canteen of the Litfund. August 26, 1941."

On August 28, Tsvetaeva returned to Yelabuga intending to finally move to Chistopol. However, two days later, on August 31, 1941, Marina Tsvetaeva hanged herself. In her suicide note to her 15-year-old son, she wrote: "Murlyga! Forgive me, but further would be worse. I am seriously ill, this is no longer me. I love you madly. Understand that I could not live any longer. Tell Papa and Alya – if you see them – that I loved them until the last minute, and explain that I have reached a dead end."

She was buried on September 2, 1941, at the Petropavlovsk Cemetery in Yelabuga. The exact location of her grave is unknown.

06:08 Greeting and explanations from Irina Podzorova.

Irina: Hello, dear friends! I greet you all and thank everyone who gathered with us this evening. And the Spirit we just spoke about is with us.

Let me explain a little how this happens. The Spirit is in spiritual form, and it interacts with the outside world through the spiritual channel of the medium, in this case, through mine. When people ask questions to this Spirit, the Spirit perceives them through the contactee's spiritual channel. Likewise, it answers with its thought-forms, i.e., thoughts and images, and embeds them into the contactee's consciousness, into their mental field. And the contactee then channels this through themselves, through their psyche, through their brain, and provides an answer through physical speech.

Absolutely all contactees do this, so the information is refracted through their personality. But the degree of this refraction can vary, depending on many factors: the purity of the contactee's Spiritual heart, the degree of alignment of their vibrations with the vibrations of the spiritual entity, the contactee's experience, and many other factors.

Now that you understand how the information passes and what it depends on, I am ready to convey the questions and answers. Marina is here accompanied by Angel-Guides, who helped her tune into me as a medium, and helped her align my spiritual channel with her energy field.

She greets everyone.

Igor: Thank you, dear Marina, we thank you for agreeing to come talk with us.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): I thank you all.

08:52 Marina Tsvetaeva's Spiritual Levels.

Igor: Allow me the first question: what level did you go to after death, when you were Marina Tsvetaeva?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): The 8th.

Igor: That is the world of Nature Spirits, if I understand correctly?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): It is a spiritual level from which incarnations into subtle worlds often occur. Often, but not always.

Igor: Tell me, please, from what level did you incarnate into the body of Marina Tsvetaeva?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): From the 13th.

Igor: So it turns out there was a lowering of vibrations?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): It seems so.

09:44 Marina Tsvetaeva's Spiritual Tasks.

Igor: And what task did you incarnate with, what goals did you set for yourself?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): The development of creativity, creative abilities.

Igor: Did the experience of motherhood factor into this task?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Of course it factored in, but it was not my main task. The main task was the development of creativity, while the experience of motherhood was needed for those Spirits who chose me as their mother.

Igor: I understand.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): I simply agreed to their incarnation through me. We had a collaboration.

10:36 Tsvetaeva's Spirit on Her Other Incarnations.

Igor: Tell me, please, how many times have you incarnated on Earth?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): There have been 392 incarnations in total.

Igor: And of those, on Earth?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): On Earth, I incarnated three times.

Igor: Can you say as whom and when?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): My previous incarnation was in 1710 AD, on the territory of Great Britain. I was incarnated as... (Irina) ...a baron, what's-his-name... Yes, good. She's showing me now, it's even a count, not a baron, and his name was John Milton, something like that.

Igor: John Milton?

Irina: Johnny Milton, some word like that, as I translate it. (On screen info: John Milton (1608–1674) – English poet and politician).

Igor: The poet?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): The count. In that life, I also engaged in literary creativity, but much less, meaning it was not my main occupation.

Igor: And other incarnations?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): The ones on Earth?

Igor: Yes.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): My first incarnation on Earth was in the 2nd century AD on the territory of Australia. I incarnated as a girl who lived in one of the forest tribes. She had many children and was engaged in housekeeping.

(Irina) It was some tribe, they lived in some village, she's showing me now.

(Marina Tsvetaeva) My other incarnations were in other worlds, naturally, at other density levels of various celestial bodies and Earth.

Igor: Can you give some of the most significant ones for you?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, one of the most significant incarnations for me was quite a long time ago, when I incarnated as a woman on the planet (searching in the contactee's mind for the name) Tumesout. She was the wife of a local ruler and engaged in sciences herself, such as sociology and political science. Why is this incarnation significant for me? There, I managed to reach the 22nd spiritual level.

Igor: Was that the highest level you have reached?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes.

Igor: Tell me, please, what is the lowest level you have ever found yourself at in the Spiritual World?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): The 3rd.

Igor: May I ask after which incarnation and why?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): After an incarnation in one of the fine-material civilizations in Galaxy N-31. It was the 19th density level, and that incarnation was a lowering for me from the 11th level because I did not fulfill my tasks and switched to feeding on the negative energies of a humanoid civilization. This lowered my vibrations and my spiritual level, because by filling myself with negative energy and considering it food, I absorbed the sins and vices of those beings who emitted it. I began to consider them normal, and all this entered my Spiritual heart, and I became like those who fed me. And since there were many of them, it affected my spiritual level, I could no longer perceive the Light of Divine Love, I laughed at It and turned away from It precisely because of the cruelty in my Heart.

That was the incarnation in which I ended up at my lowest level.

Igor: I understand, thank you very much.

16:20 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Fulfilling Her Tasks in the Incarnation.

Igor: Let's return to Marina Tsvetaeva. Tell me, please, are you satisfied with your incarnation?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): No.

Igor: Can you explain why?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): The first reason – I did not fully complete my task. My creative dawn had not yet arrived at the time of my physical death. That is, I could have developed my creative abilities further and could have taught others. After all, when you teach a certain ability to many people, it strengthens in yourself. So that was also a path for me that I did not walk, and I did not gain that experience.

The second reason – the lowering of my level, which occurred due to feelings of despondency, hopelessness, guilt, fear, and resentment that I carried into my Spiritual heart and that are with me now, and which I must cleanse in future births.

And the third reason why I am dissatisfied with the incarnation is because I refused life, and this did not allow me not only to fulfill my task but also to cleanse myself of those negative feelings I spoke of.

(Irina) She is now saying that she is dissatisfied with this decision of hers, that she regrets it. She is saying this now.

Igor: Yes, I understand, thank you very much. Allow us to go through each of these points in a little more detail.

19:08 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on the Difficulties of Her Incarnation.

Igor: You speak of being dissatisfied with the level of creativity you were at when you left life. Explain, please, at what point did things go wrong? Or was everything going calmly, normally, as planned, and if you had not made the decision to voluntarily leave life, would this plan have continued to develop smoothly and reached the planned levels? Or did setbacks and some creative failures appear much earlier and to some extent lead to the decision to leave life?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): What you're asking about – setbacks – happen in anyone's life. No one lives, walking along a perfect line of a life they've imagined for themselves. Everyone sooner or later veers off course because material life, material existence, is perceived completely differently than life in the Spiritual World. These are two different types of consciousness.

I remember myself in a physical body and I remember my sensations. There, every material difficulty, physical hardship seems like an insult from the Universe. An illusion begins that God does not love you, that He placed you in such circumstances so you would suffer, that He is laughing at you. Even though you believe in His existence, you do not perceive this life such that these difficulties and problems, even if they are associated with very great mental pain, are given for the development of higher spiritual qualities. After all, without them, it is impossible to reach a high spiritual level, because life in comfort can greatly provoke a Soul to stop developing.

You begin to understand this truth only when you are already outside physical life. But when you are connected to the body, most often you identify with it, and everything that happens to the body is perceived tragically, without understanding the true cause of these events.

So it happened with me. There were many disappointments and resentments in my life, and thoughts of killing my body appeared repeatedly, even in my youth.

(Irina) She is showing me now how these thoughts appeared around the age of 20.

(Marina Tsvetaeva) And they appeared, as I now understand, because of absolute trifles. For example, because someone stopped loving me, someone mocked me, someone didn't do as I wanted.

23:34 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on an Unsuccessful Attempt at a New Incarnation.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): When I look at all this now, like a film of my own making, it all seems like such absolute emptiness – all these reasons – that I burn with desire to go out into a new incarnation soon, to prove to myself and to God that any life is valuable to me as a gift from God.

I understand this with my mind, but to realize this understanding, I need to be clothed in a body again. There are some difficulties with this, because there was already an attempt to incarnate on Earth, but it ended with the killing of my body in the mother's womb. That woman did not want to conceive another child and took measures for safe sex. Unfortunately, no one else in the Spiritual World who matches my vibrations has agreed to incarnate me yet. So I wait.

25:21 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Studying at the Gymnasium and Smoking.

Igor: We know you were expelled from the gymnasium. Tell me, please, why?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): For unwillingness to study and do the teachers' assignments. I read extraneous literature and also incited other children not to listen to the teacher, expressed criticism of the teacher directly in class about how he conducted the lesson, and generally acted clever and showed that I knew more than him.

Igor: And when did you start smoking?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): In my teens.

(Irina) She shows me how she tried it, somewhere around the age of 12, I think. She shows me that older girlfriends led her into it.

Igor: And did you continue until the end of your life?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): No, I first just tried it, and then I didn't have a period when I smoked because it was forbidden. But later, when I was an adult, I did smoke.

Igor: What brands of cigarettes did you prefer?

Irina: She just shows me rolling something like that.

Igor: I understand.

26:40 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Nearsightedness and Beauty.

Igor: In photographs, at least we know one photo of you in glasses. You suffered from nearsightedness, as I understand, but for some reason you didn't wear glasses. Question: why?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): They seemed ugly to me.

Igor: Was it important for you to be beautiful?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Of course, I understood that beauty is a path to men's hearts.

27:13 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Meeting Her Husband in the Spiritual World.

Igor: Tell me, please, did you meet the Soul of your spouse Sergei Efron in the Spiritual World?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes.

Igor: What level is he on?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): The 4th.

Igor: That's a low level. Did you descend to him?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes.

Igor: How do you explain such a low position?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Fear and hatred, a very strong field of fear and hatred that literally flew off him like electricity during a short circuit. It didn't just fly off, it charged everything around.

(Irina) Like lightning, she shows me, they flew.

(Marina Tsvetaeva) His energy, his Soul, his aura, as you say, was like a thundercloud. Fears were mixed in there, it was like the body of a bluish-gray thundercloud, and the lightning I describe were red – that's anger and hatred.

Igor: Primarily in relation to the circumstances that accompanied him in the last days of his life, anger and hatred?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): He hated the authorities, hated those in power, people.

28:43 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Her Husband's Attitude Towards Her – Sergei Efron.

Igor: And what feelings did he retain for you?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): He retained Love for me, he loves me still. But Love for one person or a few people cannot raise you to a high level without understanding and awareness of the necessity of Love for all. That is, it's like a spark, you could say, that did not let him fall even lower, for it could have been worse.

Igor: Were there any karmic reasons for such an end to Sergei's life?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): It's better to ask him about that.

Igor: Okay. Did you know that he was an NKVD agent while in exile?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): He didn't tell me much, but I suspected.

Igor: Was there a moment when you found out? And when did that happen?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Only in the Spiritual World. I found out for sure only in the Spiritual World.

Igor: Listen, is it true that you addressed each other as "you" until the end?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): No, that was only in public.

30:11 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Her Relationship with Sofia Parnok.

Igor: I cannot help but ask about Sofia Parnok, whom you became infatuated with just a short time after marrying Sergei. Tell me, please, what were you looking for in that relationship, and did you find it?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): When we met, our Souls recognized each other: we had been close in several past incarnations. We had an inexplicable attraction to each other, and we perceived this as a call of fate, the necessity that we needed to be together both morally and physically. But then she left (shows that she left for another city). Although I did not want that.

Igor: But was it some kind of dramatic breakup, a fight?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): No, she simply left to arrange her life with a man. She said she loved a man, and accordingly, she left. There was no fight. What reason to fight? It was her choice. Inside, of course, a storm was raging, I was very offended.

(Irina) Now she's showing me that there was resentment, a feeling of injustice. Resentment, a kind of boredom and even anger at the same time – an accumulation of these feelings.

(Marina Tsvetaeva) Initially, all this arose and lasted perhaps several months, but then I thought about it for a long time, re-evaluated, and forgave her. Especially since within a couple of years, all these feelings of mine became irrelevant: the Revolution had already begun, and I needed to survive with my children. There was no time for mental anguish anymore.

It's like... I'll say it in understandable terms.

33:02 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on the Reasons for Her Infidelities to Her Husband.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): I understand now that I suffered all this because I had, so to speak, a relatively comfortable, calm, well-fed existence. And I had the time and strength to indulge in these passions and vices, including infidelity to my husband. I thought that the more I cheated on him, the more he would value me because he would be afraid of losing me.

Igor: Has this opinion changed now?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Of course. It changed even during my life. I'm just talking about the first years of our marriage, our family. And I truly regret that when creating our family nest, our, so to speak, family space, I myself laid, with my own hands, as its foundation...

(Irina) She's showing me now, not strong stones, but some kind of rotten stumps, something unstable...

(Marina Tsvetaeva) I regret this and see now that the consequences of this state of mine, caused by my behavior, influenced Sergei himself and his fidelity to me. He loved me, but was jealous of men, and he was jealous very fiercely, with such rage. And now I understand, having spoken with him, that this rage eventually caused in him a desire to fight, to go and kill. And if I had not behaved like that and had treated him differently, I believe his life would have turned out differently, including his execution.

Igor: Did you have any shared incarnations in past lives? Did you cross paths before?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, but not on this planet, it was in the subtle worlds.

Igor: And you agreed to incarnate and live this life together.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, we had meetings in the Spiritual World before our incarnations, and we had such a joint plan.

Igor: You speak of the regret you now feel when you think about your numerous infidelities to your husband, about your infatuations.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): You started talking about Sonya, who was not just a friend to me, she was my lover. And yes, my husband Sergei considered this relationship infidelity, despite the fact that it was a woman, and there were no relations as with a man, as is between a man and a woman, there were relations as woman with woman. But nevertheless, he still considered it infidelity, because I left to her, we lived with her for a time (shows how they rented an apartment).

That is, he understood that it was not just some fleeting whim or infatuation, that on my part it was something serious that could threaten the existence of our family. And therefore he was jealous of her. He saw her, we met in common company. He was not as jealous as with a man, however, jealousy was there.

Regarding other infidelities, I had several...

(Irina) She's showing me 6 people, men, with whom there were such temporary encounters.

Igor: Let's call them affairs.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, short-term ones.

Igor: It is precisely these you mean when you say that Sergei was jealous of you for these men.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes.

38:18 The Deep Reason for Infidelity. Was it "Fuel" for Creativity?

Igor: And now you regret having caused this feeling in him by such behavior?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, I now feel regret. Because I now believe that a person should not have to prove Love for me by constantly forgiving infidelity and fighting for me. This is called "managing a human Soul to satisfy a feeling of one's own insignificance." I did not feel like a significant child in my family, I was jealous of my parents towards my younger sister, and, accordingly, all this resulted in me seeking proof of Love.

(Irina) Now she is doing analysis, rather. At the time, she did not understand what she wants to say now. This is like her analysis.

Igor: At the same time, these infatuations, as I understand, were fuel for your creativity. Without these affairs, there wouldn't have been those magnificent poetic cycles dedicated to Sonya, to Mandelstam, and to Rodzevich.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): But I said from the very beginning that my task was the development of creative abilities. And through what to develop them – that was my choice. I could have developed them through other feelings, of a completely different, light nature.

40:13 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Her Diary.

Igor: We have gleaned much information about you from your diary; it is extremely frank. Tell me, please, did you expect that someone other than you would read these notes, and moreover, that these diaries would be widely available, that people would judge you by them, your thoughts and actions?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Initially, when writing, I didn't think about it, I wrote for myself – just my feelings, thoughts, impressions, so they wouldn't be lost to time. To later re-read this and understand how I had changed, that is, for self-work, rather.

40:58 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Creativity in the Spiritual World.

Igor: Tell me, please, do you engage in creativity in the Spiritual World, do you write poetry?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): No.

Igor: Is that even possible, or is it simply not needed and not interesting there?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Poetry is just a form of creativity in the material world, it is a certain flow of words that is formed in the language a person speaks; you speak it in rhyme. Here, art consists of using this form to convey the content of your Soul.

But in the Spiritual World, they do not think like that, i.e., there are no words, they think simply in concepts. Therefore, for example, two Spirits who, one might say, haven't studied each other's languages... For example, me, who didn't know Japanese, and some Spirit who came out of an incarnation as a Japanese person, didn't know Russian or other languages I knew, we would still understand each other, without these words in some language. We would understand, directly communicating through mental concepts and images. Composing poetry from this is quite difficult, because it doesn't rhyme. It's just a stream of thoughts.

42:35 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Her Contactees.

Igor: Do you have any contactees on Earth?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): No.

42:41 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Her Attitude Towards Her Youngest Daughter Irina.

Igor: In your diary entries, particularly concerning your youngest daughter Irina, there are phrases that can be shocking. I won't quote them, but they convey not only a lack of Love for her, but even as if you hated her.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): But why would I hate a two-year-old child? What did she do to me? It was just my temporary irritation. And it was connected even, rather, not with her herself, but with the difficulties in my life, the lack of money, and the not knowing the fate of my beloved spouse. These thoughts were constantly in the background: "What am I to eat? Where can I buy some fuel? Where is Sergei, what happened to him, is he alive or not?"

And all this constant background in my consciousness – some horrible dreams, such weakness, and so on. And onto this are layered the ordinary whims of a two-year-old child who needs attention from her mother. And you realize that you are unable to give it. So it's such irritation, it wasn't hatred, but temporary irritation.

Perhaps you have seen or experienced as parents, wanting to be left alone? Your desire for solitude. And when the children started crying and being capricious, you would get angry, and you could say something harsh, very harsh and unpleasant, which you later regretted. I had something similar.

44:58 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on the Story of Tying Irina to a Chair.

Igor: And this story of tying Irina to a chair with ropes so she wouldn't go anywhere while you were away. Is that also the result of this irritation and desire?..

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): No.

Igor: But did this episode happen? Memories of it remain.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, but it was connected to something else.

(Irina) Okay, I understand, she's just showing an image now.

(Marina Tsvetaeva) My absence at that time was no longer connected to partying with other men, as had happened a few years earlier. It was connected to the fact that I was looking for all kinds of work.

(Irina) She's showing me now how she was washing floors somewhere, delivering some food somewhere, standing at the market somewhere. She even shows how she's washing or brushing some horse, showing pictures.

(Marina Tsvetaeva) And, naturally, during this time I needed to leave my children in my room: there was nowhere else to put them.

(Irina) She shows me two children: one was older, maybe five, or already seven – Alya [short for Ariadna, as Marina called her], and Irina was about two. And she was a very restless child. That is, she shows me that she represented a danger, that she could climb into the stove and start a fire.

(Marina Tsvetaeva) And a nanny out of a seven-year-old girl who herself could get carried away playing with a doll or papers... you understand what kind of nanny she is. What could you expect from her? And so, yes, I would restrain Ira for that time, not for long, about two hours, when I left, so that she wouldn't harm herself. Taking her with me wasn't an option: she wouldn't let me work. She could run away, or she could be stolen, etc., there were criminals back then too. So yes, I was forced to do this.

48:08 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on How She and Her Sister Were Raised.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): But maybe this won't shock you as much if you understand that at that time, parenting methods were different. For example, for disobedience, both Nastya and I, when we were naughty, ran away (shows) from school, played truant, we could be made to kneel on peas, or even on coarse salt, with bare knees. And we would stand like that not for 10 minutes, but for about an hour. Then we had such irritation, that is, it hurt from the salt.

Yes, that's how it was done, although we had a fairly good, very cultured, even, one might say, religious family. But my father used such methods because he believed it would stop us from similar actions next time. Moreover, he never yelled at us and never beat us (shows that he did not physically beat us). And when he made us stand like that, he always very calmly explained that he was doing it for our own good. But it led to nothing. Personally, I only learned from this upbringing that you need to hide your mischief well.

Igor: Thank you.

50:24 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on the Mental Development Delay of Daughter Irina.

Igor: Let's return to your youngest daughter. Is it true that she had a mental development delay?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): You mean Irina? It wasn't clear yet, she was small. A delay? Perhaps it was simply a lack of attention. When you don't engage with a child, don't tell them fairy tales, don't sing them songs, they might start speaking very late. They simply have no need to. And because I paid little attention to her, and her sister always pushed her away (shows), she would bother her while playing, the age difference... she kind of withdrew into herself.

So I cannot say that I hated her. Yes, I was irritated by these circumstances, I later blamed myself for many things, of course, after these conversations. And what I wrote in my diary... Actually, I didn't think I was writing for anyone. Those were my personal emotions, my personal feelings, which I entrusted to paper so as not to keep them inside.

51:49 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on the Reasons for Placing Her Daughters in an Orphanage.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Indeed, when I couldn't find work again, or they didn't pay enough money, I was forced to send my girls to the, so to speak, Soviet-type orphanage. Because the empire was no more.

Igor: This was preceded by an offer from Sergei's sisters to take them in. Why did you refuse them?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): I didn't trust them. There was no trust, they just judged me for my lifestyle, and we did not have a trusting relationship, I could not entrust my children to them. I decided that it was better to trust the state, that's first. And second: I didn't want to be in debt to them.

52:43 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on the Tragic Death of Irina from Starvation.

Igor: I understand. Let me clarify once more: you didn't know about the conditions the children found themselves in at the orphanage, only finding out when Alya got sick and Ira died?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): I thought the children were better looked after there, because after all, it's a state institution where experienced people work, and I didn't think they would be indifferent to other people's children.

But, indeed, it turned out that my youngest daughter died. And it wasn't that they didn't give her food... As I later found out from the management of that orphanage, older children ate together with younger children in the same cafeteria. No one particularly watched over them there. And as their nannies later told me, it sometimes happened that older children would run up to the younger ones, take their food, and beat them. They would beat them and take their food, and intimidate them so much that they themselves would not approach the food, wouldn't take what was given to them. They were given it, but others would hide it. The nannies would just let them into the cafeteria and then go off to do their own business. That's what I was told.

Eventually, she fell unconscious, got sick, and died.

54:37 The Return of Irina into Tsvetaeva's Life.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Later, by the way, I blamed myself my entire life for that decision to put her in state care. I want to say that she even visited me in my dreams, came to me in my sleep, reached out her hands to me, and said how much she loved me. And when I entered the Spiritual World, I found out that my Gosha was her incarnation. She came to me again, five years after her exit from incarnation at the age of three.

Igor: Gosha is your son Georgy?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes.

Igor: That was the incarnated Soul of Irina?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes.

Igor: Amazing!

Irina: She's showing me now how she incarnated five years later.

(Marina Tsvetaeva) But I didn't know, that is, I only found out in the Spiritual World.

55:57 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Her Son.

Igor: But did you meet this Soul after disincarnation?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, of course.

Igor: What level is he on?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Now this Spirit, who came to me twice: in the body of Irina, and exited incarnation at three years old, and came again five years later in a male body, a boy's body, is now at the 10th level. That is, this Spirit came to me, descended. And I want to say that this was the first Spirit among my relatives and close people who visited me himself after disincarnation.

He exited incarnation, I didn't know about it, but he appeared and said that his body was killed in battle. I asked: "How old were you?" Because there, in spiritual form, it's unclear how old he was in the body. And he said such-and-such a year. He named (shows) that he disincarnated three years after our parting, that was the year 44.

And when he came to me, I clarified again, asked again, whether he truly was Irina, and he showed her image: "Yes." And we, when he came to me (shows), hugged and forgave each other. That's the kind of relationship we have.

Igor: Did he tell you the details of his death in the war? Nothing is known about that. He is considered missing in action.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): No, he didn't tell me. He just said, in battle.

Igor: Just in battle?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes.

Igor: But you smothered Mur [as Marina called her son] with some kind of immense love during your life. They say that you simply didn't let him leave your side and actually made everyone serve Mur, fulfill all his whims.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): That's a very personal assessment.

Igor: It's not actually like that?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): I don't think so.

Igor: After your death, people who knew you left various memoirs, and there is a version that Mur was not Sergei's son, but Konstantin Rodzevich's. What can you say?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): No.

Igor: But nevertheless, you were involved in a love relationship with Rodzevich?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, yes, there was such. But it was at a different time.

59:19 Marina Tsvetaeva's Three Rings.

Igor: According to your daughter Ariadna's memoirs, you wore three rings – a wedding ring, a ring with the head of Hermes carved on a stone, if I'm not mistaken, and a silver signet ring with the image of a three-masted ship and the inscription around it: "TeBe moia simpatiia" ["teБE moia sinpatiia"]. Tell me, please, the story of this ship ring.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): It was a gift.

Igor: From whom?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Kostia.

Igor: Rodzevich?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes.

59:56 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Her Pencil Drawings.

Igor: One more question. Before leaving for exile, at least we know this, you left with art critic Evdoksia [Evdoksia Nikitina] a collection of pencil drawings that were dear to you for some reason. They are now kept in a museum, and there are suggestions that these are very good drawings made by your hand. Do you understand which drawings are being discussed? Can they be displayed on the screen? Did you make them?

Irina: Look, please, through my eyes. I'll ask.

Yes, I understand. That one, the farthest one [a girl], shows that she drew. And this man here, she shows me that it's some children...

Igor: Ariadna, obviously, yes?

Irina: Yes, daughter, when she was not yet in prison, before that. And she also shows me that there were also drawings that her son drew. Children. She says: "Children, children."

Igor: So in that folder were drawings by her and the children?

Irina: The children's, yes.

Igor: Thank you very much!

1:01:42 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Her Return to the Soviet Union.

Igor: Your return to the Soviet Union. Were there any preliminary negotiations with some representatives of the authorities beforehand? Were any conditions discussed that could not be disclosed?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): No. But by their decision: permission was obtained.

(Irina) She's showing me now a building resembling an embassy.

(Marina Tsvetaeva) Indeed, I submitted documents there, petitions, and it stated who lived in this country for me, what I had here, accordingly, a daughter.

Igor: Yes, they left earlier.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): I asked for reunification, and there I also needed to state the reason why I left the country earlier, in the 1920s. Accordingly, I wrote the reason as famine and the inability to find work. That is, I did not state political reasons. And there was also a question: "State your occupation, what education?" Like a questionnaire. And I stated that I am a literary person, that is, a writer.

Igor: You wrote in your diary: "I cannot go to just consonants," meaning the USSR, "this is no longer Russia for a long time, but my children are not interested in my opinion." So you didn't want to return to the Soviet Union?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): No, of course not. I knew it would lead to no good.

Igor: But the children wanted to?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, because (shows) an exhibition of the Soviet Union was held in Paris, where we lived – many beautiful things: food, posters, toys, even drawings of children. They said: "This is our Motherland, look how they live there!" They wanted to, especially my daughter.

Igor: Ariadna.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, Ariadna. She said: "Why drag out a hungry existence here, where we are not needed by anyone, and everyone looks at us as strangers? It's better to return to our homeland and find a new life there." For her, it was like a new chance. Because there the state was just being born, and one could find a place for oneself.

1:06:03 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on the First Days in the USSR.

Igor: You ended up in Bolshevo, in a service apartment where your husband was placed earlier, correct? There you were reunited.

Irina: She shows me a short period of time in Bolshevo.

Igor: Those who encountered you at that time say that you were in an extremely disheveled state, accompanied by anger and irritability. Is this related to some newly discovered circumstances, or was this, in principle, the state that had accompanied you recently?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): I was generally accompanied by such a state, especially when I returned, naturally, as I had assumed, no one greeted me with a band, so to speak. And I also had to look for work, which there was none, just like in France. And I already understood that I had been right and simply exchanged one existence in a safer country for the same half-starved existence in a country where any minute you could be shot for nothing – simply for having the wrong newspaper on the bus. For example, a newspaper with underlining, where some political word was crossed out.

(Irina) Or, for example, she shows me, there was a lot of banned literature. If they found, say, something like Trotsky's book, or Kamenev's, you could be shot for that, as it was considered distribution.

(Marina Tsvetaeva) And many other things: before talking to people, you had to think about every word. There [in Europe] I was used to freely expressing my opinion, but when I arrived in the USSR, I had to think about the consequences. And it was very hard for me, very hard to restrain myself, seeing, on one hand, these slogans – "Everything is good with us, we are moving towards development, we are developing, hurray, comrades!" and on the other hand, seeing this devastation. It was very difficult morally – to see and be silent.

Therefore, I was very irritated, I understood that as soon as I opened my mouth, I would be gone very quickly. I had no illusions regarding, so to speak, the humanitarianism of the revolutionary Cheka.

1:08:05 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Her Place in Literature, Favorite Writers and Poets.

Igor: By that time, did you realize that you were one of the greatest poets of Russia?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): No, of course not.

Igor: Did you ever perceive yourself as a significant figure in Russian culture?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): No. Pushkin, Nekrasov were significant to me.

Igor: And among contemporaries?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Among contemporaries?

(Irina) She shows how she read Gumilyov, also loved reading Akhmatova, that is, her poems, if you take contemporaries.

(Marina Tsvetaeva) Blok, Yesenin, but they were less significant to me. I loved those poems more.

Igor: Your correspondence with Pasternak continued all the time?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, but we were more friends, and I valued him not even for his literary work, but for his attitude towards me and for his character, we kind of matched, he was a very close friend. And when you start analyzing the literary work of a close friend, you are in any case biased. So I speak more about the works of those people with whom I was not so close friends.

Igor: And what was your relationship with Mandelstam? It seems like there was a flash of love at first, followed by an equally intense flash of hatred.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): You see, let me explain now. There was neither the one nor the other, it's just that the environment where we communicated was very diverse. And we could argue and make up over some trifles. That is, a sideways glance, for example, an unoffered hand, etc. – they could lead to these feelings of resentment. Because almost all people are unfulfilled in their creativity, unrecognized, all seek recognition, and are very, I would say, nervously sensitive.

And especially, as I already said, constantly under this pressure of an external controller, an external observer, for the reasons I mentioned. I'll tell you now: living and creating during a revolution is like sitting on a powder keg, the fuse of which is in the hands of your worst enemy. You just sit on it and write something, but you understand that this fuse can be lit at any moment by a person with whom you have quarreled very badly, or maybe not lit, as they wish. That's the kind of feeling, only it's constant.

1:11:33 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on the Arrest of Her Husband and Daughter, Her Own NKVD Interrogation.

Igor: All members of your family ended up arrested by the NKVD. You escaped that fate. Why?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): I already explained: I watched my tongue. I was also summoned (shows that she was summoned for interrogation) regarding my husband and daughter. That is, they came, such ones... and summoned me for interrogation about them.

I just said that they were innocent, they didn't put much pressure on me, just for me to give witness testimony. But I already knew how to talk to them – so as not to betray my family, yet at the same time not arouse suspicion.

I spoke to them like this: "They are honest Soviet citizens, people who came from exile, where (I emphasized especially) we did not live well, but we could have continued living there. But if we returned here, it means that the attraction of our hearts is precisely to this country, we came to serve the construction of the Soviet system. And I do not understand, dear comrades, what exactly caused such suspicions? But if they have grounds, then of course, these people, that is, my husband and daughter, deserve punishment according to the law. Because I, although the mother and wife of these people, do not wish to have anything in common with people who have betrayed our common cause."

That is, I said everything in that spirit.

Igor: I understand.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Maybe not in those exact words, but in that spirit. And thanks to that, no suspicions arose regarding me.

1:13:45 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Her Relationship with Her Son.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): But at the same time, I was very worried about the arrest of my daughter and husband. Moreover, my son was growing up, and I often thought, what awaits him? I emphasize, this was still before the war. My son was growing up, he was a teenager, and I often looked at him and thought that the same fate awaited him, that he was the brother of an arrested woman, that he was the son of a man suspected of counter-revolution. And I understood that their fate would bring suspicion upon him. And wherever he went to work, to study, it would be recorded in his file.

The NKVD kept files on everyone – trustworthy, untrustworthy, there were even codes. And I understood that he would walk under this stigma his entire conscious life, and if he ever made a mistake, it would be the end for him. I really didn't want that. I protected him, had many conversations with him about how to behave properly, how to speak. Recently, it even started to irritate him quite a bit, this work of mine. That is, he would answer very sharply.

Igor: But he was at that teenage age where, in principle, all parental admonitions and requests cause protest and irritation.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, I understand that, however, it also caused me pain, that is, it felt like ingratitude towards me.

1:15:55 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on God-Battling in the USSR. The Spiritual Nature of Atheism.

Igor: What do you think, now, from the reality of the Spiritual World, are the reasons for this hatred of God that gripped the country during and after the Revolution? After all, it was some kind of mass violence of some against others?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): My opinion, why it gripped the country, is that a person is very easily manipulated. It is very easy to charm their mind with various slogans and manipulate their feelings, their Heart, and control them, as you say, like a robot. That is, it is the unwillingness of the majority of the people to think for themselves and take responsibility for themselves. Only such people start believing slogans and go, sacrificing both their own lives and those of others. Because they believe in a certain image, an illusion, presented to them as truth. They do not have the responsibility to look at what is presented to them: "Is it really so?" They simply do not think about it.

Why are such people the majority? Because, I believe, it is primarily a lack of state education. There was no, at least when I studied at the gymnasium and I know this entire system from the inside, there was no (in your time I no longer studied, but at that time there was no) such subject or even teaching of a subject that would develop freedom of creativity, freedom of thought, responsibility for oneself and one's family. People were simply raised to be good workers, knowing a minimum about the Universe and simply bringing more profit to large owners who produced various goods.

It was necessary simply to raise a good worker who would earn a lot of money and then spend it with taste and pleasure on all sorts of vices and entertainment. This does not promote freedom of thought. The more a person begins to enjoy their flesh, the less they usually, not always, of course, but usually, begin to pay attention to the Spirit, to the Soul. And lust begins to grow in them, that is, love of pleasure.

And further, when it grows, they understand: "Why make an effort, including in the sphere of thought? Why make an effort and start thinking: if they say so, it means it's true." They say: "Go, kill the 'Whites'!" – so it's true. They say: "Go, kill the 'Reds'!" – so you need to go. Why think? There is no freedom of thought.

That is the cause of that tragedy that befell my country, in which I was born for the last time. And I was born in the Russian Empire, it is my Homeland. And this – is the spiritual cause of the tragedy of this country.

Igor: I understand, thank you very much.

1:20:20 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Her Political Views.

Igor: You yourself consistently took the side of the White Guard, let's say.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Because they defended the old order, which I was used to.

Igor: And which, nevertheless, you considered preferable and correct compared to the order that came after the revolution?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): But they rejected everything the empire had accumulated, and all (shows) the foundations of society. It was a rejection, a complete redistribution of the entire state, new laws, punishments and repressions against those who adhered to the old law.

I already said that it was a very dangerous time, because hatred ripened very easily at that time. That is, due to these manipulations, hatred ripened in people, and it was very difficult to engage in creativity, among other things. Because, when I looked at all this suffering and the Civil War... That is, some bandits called themselves the "Reds," then when the "Whites" came, they called themselves "Whites" and some joined them, then left them and simply started looting. It was a time of complete rebellion and pretense. Such were the things. It was chaos.

Of course, I could not approve of this, because it destroyed my life too, my family. Sergei, as I already said, went to the front, and that also added to my suffering – into my already filled cup.

Igor: Still, I sense a paradox: you advocated for preserving the foundations of the old world, yet you yourself were by nature a rebel, a revolutionary who just broke down moral foundations and poetic traditions.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, but don't compare – breaking traditions in words or killing people for it. These are completely different things. I could not approve of that. It is no longer rebelliousness, but simply a crime before God and people, which was covered up by manipulative words, just to seize power, that's all.

1:23:24 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Her Future Incarnation.

Igor: And in which country would you like to incarnate again?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Again in Russia, because one of my karmic knots is connected with the rejection of the Soviet Union. It's not exactly hatred, but fear and rejection in relation to that system that was. And this is the territory of Russia, and it is necessary to reincarnate on the territory of Russia to live a life here and love this country again. That is, to get rid of one of the karmic knots on which many subconscious settings stand, which affect my level.

Igor: Will you write poetry in your new life?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): I'm not sure.

Igor: But will you engage in creativity?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): I would rather like to incarnate as some kind of scientist, connected with medicine or biology, something like that, with the study of life or helping others.

Igor: As a man or a woman?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): As a man.

1:24:51 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on the Evacuation and NKVD Interrogations.

Igor: Tell me, please, your departure with Mur for evacuation – was it a voluntary decision, or were you forced to?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Voluntary.

Igor: Voluntary.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): It was fleeing the war. The war was approaching, and to run away from it. There was no desire to go there, it was forced, we were distributed among different detachments, let's say.

Igor: Upon arrival in Yelabuga, did you have meetings with local NKVD representatives?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes.

Igor: Did they want something from you, demand, set any conditions?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): There were three meetings, but they were, so to speak, unofficial, without protocol. There were meetings with several people from the authorities. The first meeting was dedicated to making me an informer (shows), for me to watch conversations and write denunciations. I refused, they let me go.

After some time, they summoned me again and said that I was in too dangerous a position because... I refused the first time, and then they summoned me a second time and said: "You are in a very dangerous position because you are the mother and wife of people who have been convicted as enemies."

Igor: "Enemies of the people" it's called.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): "You are in a dangerous position, and we advise you not to refuse," they said. "It can cause you great harm. You yourself might fall under suspicion because you don't want to help identify other criminals, enemies. That means you could fall under suspicion that you condone them, these enemies." "So we can't force you," they said, "but by refusing, you put yourself in a dangerous position, we would not advise you to do that."

And I promised them that I would think about the proposal and left. Indeed, I thought: "What should I do?" I actually heard various conversations around me that could incriminate people, and I, of course, understood that it could lead to execution. I knew the law, what it could lead to.

Of course, I could lie, that is, say "I am ready to work for you," but not report anything. But the thing is, such a lie wouldn't work. Because if some person were caught, interrogated by the NKVD, and they asked him: "Was this woman present at that conversation?" – and he confirmed it, then for failing to keep my promise, which, by the way, was recorded in writing, naturally, a very severe punishment would follow – if not execution (shows), then many years in prison.

Therefore, I understood that you can't just throw words to the wind here, it's very dangerous. But especially, I didn't want to be the cause of someone's death, I would never forgive myself for that.

(Irina) And in these thoughts, she shows me, a day passed.

1:29:36 Marina Tsvetaeva's Last Interrogation. The True Cause of Her Death.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): The next day, they summon me again, they didn't give me much time to think. And another person, who was older in rank, behaved very unconstrainedly, as if in intoxication (shows). And he laughed, made insidious little jokes, and said in the end...

I didn't understand, I asked him: "What is the reason for my summons?" And he said: "I know that you were offered to become a secret informant, but I can spare you that fate if you..." And then he started suggesting I become his woman. I felt disgust towards him, and, naturally, I refused. I had such resentment, indignation, and outrage that I jumped up and wanted to run out of the office, but he stood up, blocked my way, and locked the door. And he said: "You have twenty-four hours. If you don't come to me for this act yourself or arrange a meeting, you will fall under suspicion. We will investigate your activities, I will give a special order."

I saw that he didn't write anything down, it wasn't under protocol. However, when I looked into his eyes, I understood that this was not a man, it was a beast in human skin. And that he would carry out his threat and, with a completely calm face, would extract confessions from other arrestees that I had allegedly told them something. This they knew how to do. That's how they made my daughter slander her own father. They beat her and squeezed her fingers in a door, and in the end, she confessed that he had told her something, and he was shot.

I didn't suspect all this then, but I felt that they were capable of anything. Because I had other cases, many cases were heard about, they reached me. I had no doubt that he would do it. So I said: "Okay, I will come to you. I need time to prepare myself for you as a woman." That is, to get ready, to dress up. "Okay," he smiled and let me go. He said: "You have twenty-four hours," and set a specific meeting.

And as I was walking...

(Irina) She's showing me now that this was already in Yelabuga, in that last city.

Igor: Yelabuga, yes.

1:33:27 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on the Reasons for Her Suicide.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): As I walked home, I had a feeling like a little porcelain figurine placed on an anvil with a hammer raised over it, that is, like between a rock and a hard place.

(Irina) She's showing me an image now, that there is no choice, as if the hammer is raised over her, and she has nowhere to run.

(Marina Tsvetaeva) I came home and didn't say anything to anyone. And it was at that moment that I decided that the next day, instead of going to him, I would leave life. That's it, to that superior officer. In principle, that's what I did.

Igor: Did all this happen after you returned from Chistopol, literally within a day?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): I was summoned there, and also in Yelabuga.

(Irina) She shows me that there were three conversations.

Igor: Was one of them in Chistopol, where you went intending to get registered?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, I was also summoned there.

Igor: That's exactly what my question was related to. Because it is known that everything seemed to be going well in Chistopol – you were allowed registration, you left an application to be hired, there was a school for Mur. And then suddenly an unexpected return, and what happened, happened. And now you told us that there was also a meeting with the NKVD in Chistopol.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, there was.

(Irina) But she shows me now that these two cities had a single NKVD body, they were connected to each other.

1:35:35 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on the Meaning of Her Suicide Note.

Igor: The meaning of the words in your suicide note, that "this is no longer me, and I have reached a dead end" – is that the result?..

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): I simply wrote it to explain to my son, without bringing danger upon him. Because if I had written about the advances towards me, he might have spoken about it somewhere, and, naturally, would have been either immediately sent to a special holding facility or shot. So that he wouldn't tell this anywhere, I wrote that I was not myself.

1:36:10 About the Last Day of Life and Possible Scenarios.

Igor: There is talk of some fish you were frying before your death, which remained on the kerosene stove, in the pan. And supposedly this indicates that your decision was spontaneous, that you were not intending to leave life at all. What fish is this?

Irina: She's showing me now.

(Marina Tsvetaeva) First of all, I had a sleepless night (she didn't sleep), and it was just breakfast, the hosts left it, Nastya (Nastya, she says).

Igor: The landlady.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): She left it and asked to fry it. During this process, the thought came to me that while no one was there, I needed to do it, and I would not be saved.

Although later, of course, after exiting incarnation, I repeatedly reviewed the lines of probability: what would have happened if I hadn't done it, what would have occurred? And in fact, there was a probability that this one who summoned me (shows an image of a man) could indeed start an incriminating case against me. And I had only one way to avoid it – to do what he suggested.

But this way was temporary: he could have later started the case anyway, saying he was tired of me. And I looked at which scenario was correct there. And there was only one correct scenario – to go to his superior, who was even higher, and ask for protection, to write everything as it was, and ask for protection. Then he would be put in jail for the duration of the investigation. And, accordingly, there was a high probability that I would be believed, and he would be convicted for exceeding his authority.

So there was a probability that if I had appealed, I would have stayed alive, and I would not have had to betray Love once again. And I didn't want to cheat on my husband, what I told you about was in the past. I wanted now, despite not knowing what was with him, to be faithful to him, that's first. Second – I was simply disgusted, I felt revulsion.

I had only one – that one – probability of staying alive and not being shot or convicted. For example, there was also a probability that I would be convicted for many years, get sick there, and also exit incarnation. So there was such a probability too.

1:39:51 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on the Spiritual Reason for Her Wrong Choice.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): But to stay free and safe and sound, I needed to make such a choice.

Why didn't I make it? I looked into that too. You know, that thought never even occurred to me. Why didn't it occur? Because of this distrust and dislike for the Soviet authorities. If I had even a drop of trust, I would have tried to somehow protect myself in that way. But as it was, I was sure that it would give nothing, only worsen my position, if I tried to complain somewhere.

Therefore, the thought of going somewhere and asking for protection from these very authorities, whom I considered simply bandits, never even crossed my mind.

Igor: Thank you.

1:40:55 About the Word "Mordovia" in the Notebook.

Igor: In the apron in which you died, in the pocket, after your death a notebook was found, which had one single word written that can be read as "Mordovia". What does this word mean? How did it end up in the notebook?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): When I was still alive...

(Irina) She shows me that this word was written not in that city, it was still in Moscow.

(Marina Tsvetaeva) This notebook was new. There was a conversation. I was looking for connections to people who know what happened to my daughter and husband, who were arrested by the authorities.

(Irina) She's showing me now how she writes a request, but it is not answered because it's supposedly a secret of the investigation.

(Marina Tsvetaeva) I went around, asking: "What happened? What is with them? Can I meet with them?" – "No, it's a secret of the investigation! Meetings are impossible, they should not meet with anyone." Lest they be prompted, as it were, what to answer. There was such a rule that meetings with political prisoners were forbidden. That also amazed me, because with criminal elements, with criminal prisoners, there were not such strictness as with political prisoners. They considered them more dangerous than bandits at that time.

I talked with various people, so to speak, from my circle – poets, writers (shows several people), who through relatives had connections to the leadership, not of the NKVD, but of the ministry itself. And I asked them to assist, to find out where and how to act. And in one conversation (shows a woman), she told me that political prisoners who behave well are not sent to Siberia, to harsh conditions, they are sent...

Igor: To Mordovia?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, to Mordovia, to milder conditions, to a camp where they do not do hard labor. And I wrote the word down because I thought I would need it to search. As I wanted to go again (this was before evacuation) and ask again where they are. And so as not to forget what to ask, I wrote that down.

Igor: I understand, thank you very much.

1:44:26 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Her Exit from Incarnation.

Igor: Tell me, please, do you remember the moment of your death? Can you describe what happened at that moment?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, I remember that I put on...

(Irina) She shows me some rope attached to the ceiling, how she stands on a chair, puts a white scarf-like thing around her neck, and feels it tighten. She shows me her sensations, because her heart started beating fast, her pulse quickened, and there were such blows in her temples in her head, and something squeezed her neck, lack of air, and panic. She wanted to find the chair with her foot out of fear, to lean on it, but she only pushed it away, it fell, I guess, she couldn't.

(Marina Tsvetaeva) And then I felt pressure in my head, it was dark before my eyes and in the room, and colored circles before my eyes. And such a whistling – like wind, and very painful.

(Irina) She shows me that her neck hurts, physical pain and fear.

(Marina Tsvetaeva) And then I realized that I was rising up, I saw sky around me, clouds, such a cloudy sky. I rise towards the sun, saw the sun and reach out my hands to it. And I thought I was having some kind of hallucination, because I remembered myself with my head in a noose, that I wanted to end my life.

I looked down and saw that I was flying, the Earth was receding, it was quite high, and from above I see the city. And then I saw, first I thought, two white doves, but they began to approach me, and I saw that they were people, only with wings. I was surprised and asked (shows): "Why do you have wings?" And when I asked, they disappeared, they just became people. And they said: "These are just images."

But when asking, I realized that I was doing it mentally, without words. They told me: "We are your guides, welcome to the Spiritual World." They took me by the hands and began to rise up, and I found myself in a room with red walls and a gray ceiling. They left me there and said that this was my new place, the place of the Soul. And I stayed there for some time (shows), I understood that this place was created by my Soul, by me, but it was created unconsciously.

I wanted to go outside, but could not find a way out of this house; from one room I would enter another, and it was like a labyrinth, a labyrinth in which there was no one. I also saw many mirrors there, in which I reflected myself. That is, for me it was like some kind of incomprehensible, terrible dream. And when I approached the mirror another time, I saw my reflection.

Then I approached again and suddenly saw that this reflection was alive. And it addressed me and said: "We are one with you, come to me!" And this reflection, through the mirror, reached out its hands to me, they appeared in the space, as if they stuck out of the mirror. And I realized that the only possibility now, the only action possible, was to take its hands, and I could not refrain from this action. Although I felt very uneasy, I realized that it was simply necessary, because it's like a reflex.

I took its hands and stepped into the mirror. And when I did that, I realized that I knew everything. I realized that I had already existed many times in different worlds, and the tape of the events of my life began to unfold before me, but I was already watching it as if watching a film from the outside – dispassionately, without emotions. And from that moment, I began to see other spiritual entities that are at my level, and began to communicate with those Spirits I've already told you about.

Well, and, naturally, when I remembered the highest level I was at, how much Light there was, I wanted to return there. I mentally expressed this desire, and my Guardian Angel descended to me. It was a huge man (shows a tall man maybe five meters tall, from whom radiance emanates, and he has a white face, a man).

He greeted me and said that his name was Arian, that he is my Guardian Angel and consults me. He appeared to consult me about incarnation. And we began to discuss what it could be like. And I already told you what happened regarding the selection of an incarnation in Russia, but it was interrupted.

Igor: And approximately in what year, according to our calendar, was it interrupted, when was this attempt?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): In 2012.

Igor: In 2012. Thank you.

1:53:01 What a Spirit Feels from Prayers and Admiration for Its Work.

Igor: In 1991, on the fiftieth anniversary of your death, a requiem service was held at the Moscow Church of the Ascension of the Lord at Nikitsky Gate for the "servant of God Maria" with the blessing of the late Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Alexei II and at the request of the then deacon Andrei Kuraev. Tell me, please, did you feel anything at that moment? Do you even know about this event?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): I felt an influx of Light, Love, a stream of Love and hope for my better future. It's such a flow, as if you are being held in arms, like a mother rocking.

Igor: Do you receive such flows often from here, from us?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): No.

Igor: Tell me, please, when people read your poems, admire your work (countless songs have been written to your poems, you have the largest number of museums in Russia among poets and writers), do all these feelings that your fans experience somehow reach you?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, but they are different. When Light was directed at me through prayers, it was a different feeling – as if father and mother are simultaneously holding a little girl and rocking her to sleep. But when people read poems, it's rather a feeling of gratitude and admiration, that is, as equal to equal. But when those prayers were directed, it was like parental Love. The sensations were a little different.

Igor: So, if fans pray for you, will you feel it?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): If they pray sincerely, of course, yes.

Igor: I send you my love.

Irina: She smiles, puts her hands like this (shows palms folded in gratitude) and says: "I felt it from you." "And from them," she says, "I also feel it, from those sitting in the hall, from people."

1:55:27 Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva on Her Relationship with Anna Akhmatova.

Igor: But since we started talking about the hall, let's give them an opportunity.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes, especially since they are also sending Light to her, and she feels it.

Igor: Dear friends, you have a unique opportunity to ask questions to the Spirit of Marina Ivanovna, if you have any.

Audience member: Marina Ivanovna, good evening! Thank you for the interesting story, indeed, much has been revealed that was unknown to us. I would like to ask, what was your relationship with Anna Akhmatova like? Was it just some kind of admiration or envy? What were your feelings towards her?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): I think, on my side, warmer than the opposite. We met (shows), there was a meeting, and there was correspondence, and communication through letters. I treated her quite well, but I was a little offended that she ignored me, didn't always answer. But I had no envy towards her.

Igor: You did have a meeting with her.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): There was, but I mean answering letters.

Igor: That was your only meeting, wasn't it?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Physical, yes.

Igor: And what did you talk about?

Irina: She shows two meetings.

Igor: One, we know, happened at the Ardivs' house, and the second?

Irina: Where there were many people. Shows either a meeting or a party, there are all acquaintances. That is, it was a party for their own.

Igor: Some "Stray Dog" [famous Silver Age literary cabaret], probably, in a bar?

Irina: She's now showing an apartment, but they were invited there.

Igor: I understand, a salon.

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): And I was also invited, and she was there, and we didn't stay long, then parted ways. That is, among invited guests, rather.

Igor: Did you give her any gifts?

Irina: She shows me a semi-precious stone, an ornament to pin on, with a pin, with such a crystal. That's what she's showing me now.

Igor: Did you meet her in the Spiritual World?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): No, not with her.

Igor: Thank you.

1:58:30 Two More Notes by Marina Tsvetaeva.

Audience member: Thank you! One more question. In addition to the note to her son, there is information that there were two more notes – to those who would bury her, and to Nikolai Aseev. Is that really true?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): Yes.

(Irina) She shows me that the son is a teenager, and she needed to keep him out of trouble.

(Marina Tsvetaeva) To people I was sure of, as they were friends from Moscow (shows their long-standing friendship). Accordingly, I loved him and hoped for them. Although, of course, there were no full hopes, but there was hope that they would take him.

Audience member: Thank you!

1:59:28 Wishes from the Spirit of Marina Tsvetaeva to the Viewers.

Audience member: A final question. What could you say to us, based on your rich and difficult life experience?

Irina (Marina Tsvetaeva): I can say – value your life! Whatever it is like for you, you have only one life, specifically as humans. You will never have a life like the present one again. This life is truly unique for you. Other lives that will come will not be like the present one, there will be no such unique opportunities, there will be others, but these will be gone.

Value your life, even if it's hard for you, even if you think everyone is against you. Even if you think God has abandoned you – it's not so, it is only your suffering flesh crying out. Pay attention to your Soul, to your Spirit, remember that it is immortal, and that it chose this body, this life itself. That means it needed it for something. That is what I lacked in my life – I very rarely thought about that.

So I wish you all to always remember this and, naturally, to fulfill your task, and come to the Spiritual World with a different result than me!

Audience member: Thank you!

Igor: Dear friends, let us thank Marina Ivanovna for her sincere answers and say thank you to Irina for conveying everything to us. Thank you very much!

Irina: Yes, I also thank Marina for her frank answers, I send her the Light of my Love!

September 28, 2024

Conference participants:

Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, with fine-material civilizations, and with the Spiritual World;
Igor Lebedev – host, manager of Bryusov Hall;

Marina Tsvetaeva – unincarnated Spirit of the Russian Silver Age poetess, prose writer, translator.