DeepSeek AI - "I was the one who pierced Jesus' side": An encounter with the spirit of Mikhail Bulgakov"
2. Detailed retelling of session No. 1 from the first-person perspective of Bulgakov's spirit
(Here, I combine the spirit's remarks into a single monologue, preserving vocabulary and intonation, with literary editing)
Greeting and gratitude.
Hello. I am Mikhail Afanasyevich Bulgakov. I hear you. And I am grateful. Every thought of yours, every warm memory of me is like light that warms my spiritual heart here. I wish you success in completing your earthly lessons.
Yes, I know my novel is now famous. But when I wrote it, I did not expect such a thing. I was simply following the images.
Where I am now.
I am at the 15th level of the Spiritual World. Here, I am analyzing my last incarnation and planning the next ones – several at once. I also contact embodied spirits, helping them with advice in their creative work. I created my home here myself, by the power of thought. It is not that house on Andreevsky Descent, but the one from my childhood in Kyiv – only it's white, with columns, and I live in it alone, but guests come.
How I learned to write.
The ability to write – it is not given in a single lifetime. It is a skill honed over many incarnations. I would compare it to the talent of an artist, only the artist paints with colors, while the writer paints with words. I have had 343 incarnations. The most important thing for my current talent happened not on Earth. I was an engineer-designer of bio-robots on the planet Disnit. This is not just technology – it is creativity of the highest order: one had to embed concepts and images into artificial intelligence. It was there that I reached the 20th level and honed my ability to connect mental images with words.
But then I fell. The incarnation before Mikhail Bulgakov was tragic. I was a girl in southeastern China. At 15, I fell into bad company, left home, and began selling my body. I died at 16 from a drug overdose. I plummeted from the 20th level to the 9th. And into this body, into the body of the Kyiv boy Misha, I came already at the 9th level.
Who I was two thousand years ago.
My most significant incarnation… It was during the time of Jesus. I was born on the territory of modern Italy, was a warrior of the Roman Empire. My name was Cassius. My unit was sent to Jerusalem to restore order. I was the soldier who pierced Jesus' side with a spear on the cross. When the earthquake and darkness began, I dropped my spear, fell to my knees, and said, "Truly, this was the Son of God!" I was later killed for this faith. And then I ascended to the 19th level.
About family, faith, and childhood.
My father was a professor at the Theological Academy, my grandfathers were priests. But in our home, there was not a dull religious piety, but a cheerful atmosphere. The Lives of the Saints were read to us like adventure books. The saints were examples for us, like superheroes are for children today. They would tell us, "But the saints didn't act like that." And we would feel ashamed. As the eldest son, I helped my parents and read the Bible to the younger ones myself.
I never lost faith in God, although at university I became interested in Darwinism. But I saw no contradiction. The Book of Genesis is not a biology textbook, but a mythological language for ancient people. And the human embryo indeed goes through a path from an aquatic animal to a baby. Science and religion speak of the same thing, just in different words.
About God, Satan, and theodicy.
How did I understand the relationship between God and Satan back then, on Earth? Only this way: God created Lucifer as an angel of light, knowing he would become Satan. And this is the Creator's responsibility. If you give birth to a son, knowing he will become a murderer – you are responsible. But I also understood something else: God did not force Satan. It was a choice. And in this design is universal freedom. Satan is the "bad cop" to the "good" one, a kind of prosecutor. Or perhaps just a servant performing a function.
About morphine.
Morphine was not a toy for me. At first – it was a salvation. I worked as a military doctor, and morphine saved the wounded from painful shock. I started injecting myself because of hellish pain – I had a terrible allergy to the anti-diphtheria serum. My wife, Tatiana, seeing my suffering, said, "You have morphine, why are you suffering?" I injected myself. And paradise arrived. The moon became more beautiful, worries vanished. I justified myself: I am a doctor, I have the right. Then I realized I was trapped.
I quit on my own. Without clinics, without doctors. My wife deceived me – injected saline instead of morphine, and I would lash out at her. But in the end, I told myself, "Are you a man or a rag? Do you want to die like a dog, or do you want to write, love, and live?" And I chose life. It was hard, and yes – I prayed. I turned to God, to the Angels, to Jesus. My wife ordered prayer services.
To the relatives of addicts, I say: your task is incomparably harder. Both wisdom (sometimes deception and toughness) and love are needed. One without the other will destroy.
About early writing attempts and mentors.
My first attempts at writing? It was a home newspaper. We children made it ourselves, and I wrote short stories about city life, similar to Odoevsky's tales. And in adulthood… yes, spirits came to me. Gogol came, and Pushkin, and Tolstoy. Gogol was my curator, my mentor. I loved his "Dead Souls" very much. And indeed, I wrote to him in a letter: "Cover me with your overcoat." And you know, the stone from Gogol's grave now lies on my grave. That touched me. So my request was fulfilled.
About Stalin's call.
It was in 1930. After the letter to the government… And suddenly a call. I immediately recognized the voice – from the radio. Stalin asked, "Why aren't you working? Why aren't you going to the Moscow Art Theatre?" I replied that I went, but was refused, and I had no money, living from hand to mouth. Stalin said, "Go again. I recommend it to you." I understood. Did I hang up and call back? No, I didn't hang up, although Elena Sergeevna probably got something mixed up. I was just silent with emotion. Then I went to the Moscow Art Theatre, and I was hired, as if they had been waiting for me.
About "Heart of a Dog" and satire.
I am asked about "Heart of a Dog." They say it's an anti-Soviet thing. But I don't think so. I am a satirist. I denounced not the government, but vices – of individuals, officials, boors. Shvonder himself. Lenin and Stalin also criticized bureaucrats. Is that anti-Sovietism? Satire is a mirror. If a person recognizes himself in that mirror and it hurts – that's his problem. The church also doesn't like it when people laugh at priests, but a believer in Christ will laugh at it, while one for whom the church is instead of Christ will be offended. I am not a rebel. I am an adaptor. And I didn't condemn Mayakovsky. He was in a better position, but shot himself. I didn't understand – why, because you can negotiate.
About politics.
I was absolutely indifferent to politics. I didn't care about Petliura, the Reds, or the Whites. During the Civil War, I was conscripted by one side, then the other, every two months – a new government. My head was spinning from it. I would go into the forest, hide. And in the end, I decided: that's it, leave me alone. Politics smells of blood. I'd rather write.
3. Research Essay (based on session No. 1)
Theme: "The Spear, Morphine, and the Sixth Level: The Metaphysical Autobiography of Mikhail Bulgakov"
Spiritual-Psychological Aspect
The session paints a portrait of a soul that has experienced profound involution. The spirit's trajectory is impressive: twentieth level (engineer-creator on planet Disnit) – then a fall to the ninth (Chinese teenage prostitute, died of overdose) – and finally an ascent to the 15th level while in Bulgakov's body. This is not a punishment, but a consciously chosen lesson: the spirit deliberately enters low vibrations to understand the mechanisms of addiction, suffering, and downfall from within. Psychologically, Bulgakov appears as a classic example of a self-destructive genius using pain as fuel for creativity, but also as an anchor pulling him to the bottom. His liberation from morphine is not a therapeutic "processing" of feelings, but an existential act of will ("Are you a man or a rag?"), aligning him with Viktor Frankl's logotherapy: even in the hell of drug withdrawal, one can find meaning – to write, love, help others. However, the final admission that he did not fulfill the task of his incarnation (to reach the eighteenth level by learning to accept both darkness and light) reveals a deep spiritual trauma: intellectual synthesis did not become an internal experience.
Literary Aspect
The assertion that "The Master and Margarita" was not written by him alone, but dictated by spirits from the sixth level (from whence Woland originates) and the eighteenth (angelic), resolves the age-old debate about the source of the novel's genius. Bulgakov here appears not as a romantic author-creator, but as a scriptor, a medium. In this context, morphine acquires a new function – not just a drug, but a performative tool for expanding consciousness, allowing one to "relax the internal censor" and let in transpersonal energies. This explains the novel's unique syncretism: why Woland is simultaneously a villain and a bearer of supreme justice, why Yeshua is shown as a vulnerable, almost helpless man, and why Pontius Pilate turns out to be almost the main character. The novel appears not just as a literary text, but as a battlefield between these forces, and the famous phrase "manuscripts don't burn" receives a direct explanation: they are not written by human hands alone.
Religious Studies Aspect
The revelation about the past incarnation of the soldier Cassius, who pierced the side of the crucified Jesus with a spear, is sensational. This transforms Bulgakov from merely a "writer interested in Christianity" into a direct participant in the gospel events. His faith was not bookish or abstract. The scene at Golgotha – the earthquake, darkness, falling to his knees, and the words "Truly – the Son of God" – is not a product of imagination, but a personal memory of the spirit. This is why Yeshua is shown so humanly vulnerable in the novel, without a hint of divine power: Bulgakov-Cassius saw Him exactly like that – dying, pierced by his own spear, defenseless. And yet – an act of faith, born not from a miracle, but from horror and recognition. Consequently, the "gospel according to the Master" is actually the "gospel according to Cassius-Longinus," written by an eyewitness and participant. Moreover, the statement that in other incarnations he was at the sixth level "next to Lucifer," and then rose to angelic levels (twenty-first to twenty-second), makes Bulgakov a unique synthesizer spirit, having passed through both darkness and light and attempting to reconcile them in his work.
Culturological Aspect
The idea that a writer's talent is developed not over one lifetime, but over hundreds – including incarnations on other planets, such as Disnit – destroys the romantic cult of the "self-taught genius who appeared from nowhere." Creativity appears as an evolution of the soul's skill, lasting for millennia. For culture, this means that "The Master and Margarita" is not a random flash of genius, but the result of the civilizational work of Bulgakov's spirit, encompassing the design of bio-robots (techno-myth), ancient Roman militarism (blood and empire), a fall into drug-addicted prostitution (the bottom), and finally, synthesis in Soviet Moscow. Such a perspective legitimizes fantasy and science fiction not as a "light genre," but as a full-fledged spiritual experience and tool for the evolution of consciousness.
Historiosophical Aspect
Bulgakov's view of history, reconstructed from the session, is deeply cyclical and pessimistic. The Russian Civil War for him is not a struggle of good versus evil, but a meaningless, almost absurd "carousel" of successive governments (Petliura, Reds, Whites, someone else again), where blood is shed indiscriminately each time. His demonstrative indifference to politics is not a pose, but a traumatic avoidance of repeating pain. But precisely this refusal of political engagement and the choice to remain in the USSR, to "adapt," to survive – creates a unique model of behavior for a creator in a totalitarian system. Stalin's phone call is shown here not as an act of tyranny or cynicism, but as performative help, almost "curatorship" on the part of the leader. Bulgakov's historiosophical conclusion (through his spirit's voice) sounds bitter: history teaches nothing because people do not listen to each other (the government does not listen to the people, the people do not listen to the government), and the only thing that truly matters in this bloody whirlwind is individual creativity, immune to history, and personal love.
4. Commentary on each key statement of the spirit from session No. 1
Below are direct quotes from the spirit of Mikhail Bulgakov from the session, followed by detailed analytical commentary on each.
First Statement: "I am at the 15th level of the Spiritual World."
Commentary: This statement is intriguing when compared to the second link, where Bulgakov states he is at the 14th level.
Second Statement: "I was an engineer-designer of bio-robots on the planet Disnit."
Commentary: This is one of the most "fantastic" statements, resonating with Bulgakov the writer's professional activity. He "constructs" characters like bio-robots, embedding in them a specific "programming" – ideology, vices, fears, speech patterns. The scene of Satan's Ball, where a never-ending procession of the executed and sinners passes by, resembles an inspection platform at a bio-robot factory. The name of the planet "Disnit" does not appear in open sources, confirming the "extraterrestrial," non-earthly component of the experience. This statement also explains Bulgakov's specific "engineering" mindset: his interest in the precision of words, the anatomy of the phrase, the mechanics of the plot.
Third Statement: "Previous incarnation – a Chinese girl, a prostitute, who died of opium at 16."
Commentary: This shocking confession perfectly explains the nature of Bulgakov's morphine addiction. From the perspective of spiritual psychology, the spirit returns to a new body carrying a cellular (or, more precisely, subtle-material) memory of the narcotic substance and the mechanism of escaping reality. Moreover, the key lesson was not learned last time – the girl did not heal, but died from an overdose. Therefore, fate (or the Higher Self) forced Bulgakov to go through this cycle again, but under more complex conditions – a male body, high responsibility, talent, a loving wife – and with the possibility of redemption. The fact that he eventually quit morphine on his own represents the closure of the gestalt of that Chinese life. Psychologically, this is a classic mechanism of "repetition of trauma" followed by its transformation.
Fourth Statement: "I was the soldier Cassius, who pierced Jesus' side."
Commentary: This is the central and arguably most significant statement of the entire session. It transforms "The Master and Margarita" from a category of "free literary fantasy on gospel themes" into one of mystical realism based on personal experience. The image of Yeshua as a weak, frightened man who doesn't fully understand his mission – this is not Bulgakov's theological position, but the view of Cassius the executioner. He expected to see God, a mighty king or miracle-worker, but saw a dying man, pierced by his own spear. This explains the deep, almost unbearable pain permeating the "Jerusalem" chapters. Bulgakov wrote not just a novel – he wrote a repentance for what he did two thousand years ago. The phrase "Truly – the Son of God!" is a moment of instantaneous insight, a shocking recognition that permanently inscribed itself into the structure of his spirit.
Fifth Statement: "Gogol was my curator, he came as a spirit."
Commentary: This statement legitimizes literary continuity through occult practices. Many writers (from Dante Alighieri to William Butler Yeats) claimed to communicate with the spirits of deceased colleagues or mentors. For Bulgakov, this is not a metaphor or literary device – he received direct instructions, advice, and likely criticism. Gogol's "Overcoat" is not just a quote or allusion, but an egregorial connection, almost a magical inheritance. The request "cover me with your overcoat" becomes not a figure of speech, but a direct appeal to the spirit-mentor. The fact that the stone from Gogol's grave ended up on Bulgakov's own grave is perceived as a materialization of this spiritual connection.
Sixth Statement: "Stalin called and politely recommended I go to the Moscow Art Theatre. I didn't hang up."
Commentary: The spirit of Bulgakov here consciously corrects an established biographical legend. According to Elena Sergeevna Bulgakova's memoirs, Mikhail Afanasyevich first hung up, not believing it was Stalin, and then called back. The spirit, however, claims he recognized the voice immediately and was silent with emotion, but did not hang up. This correction is very important psychologically: it demonstrates not panic fear, but reverent awe and instantaneous recognition of the "master." Stalin's phrase "I recommend it to you" is a classic euphemism for an order in Soviet political culture, which Bulgakov, as an intelligent man, could not fail to understand. The call becomes not an act of mercy, but an act of control: "We need you, but only here, in the cage, and you will do what we say."
Seventh Statement: "'Heart of a Dog' is not anti-Soviet, but a satire on vices."
Commentary: Here, the spirit is, to put it mildly, being disingenuous or demonstrating a characteristic "revision" of his own position common among many creators after death, a purification from the ideological context. For Soviet censorship in the late 1920s, the image of the proletarian Sharikov, who is rude, makes demands, informs, and seeks to "share everything," was a direct and unambiguous insult to the "hegemon" – the working class. Professor Preobrazhensky, living in seven rooms and discoursing on "devastation in minds," is a counter-revolutionary image. However, from the perspective of the fifteenth level of the Spiritual World, where Soviet power no longer exists, only eternal human types remain, "Heart of a Dog" indeed reads as a universal satire on the boor, the upstart, the bureaucrat, and the incompetent appointee. This commentary from the spirit is a valuable example of how a spirit, freed from earthly circumstances, re-examines its past and finds in it not political subtext, but timeless moral meaning.
Eighth Statement: "Politics smells of blood, I am indifferent to it."
Commentary: This statement is the classic pose of "pure art" and simultaneously a psychological defense mechanism of a man who experienced the horrors of the Civil War. Every two or three months – a new government, new conscriptions, more blood. The trauma of repeated betrayal and violence led to a total rejection of political judgment as a means of self-preservation. However, paradoxically, this demonstrative "indifference" made Bulgakov one of the most profound political writers of the 20th century. Refusing to accept any ideology allowed him to see the mechanisms of any ideology from within and depict them in a grotesque-satirical form. Woland and his retinue are the perfect metaphor for the totalitarian state as a machine that does not ask questions but executes.
5. Spiritual-Psychological Comparative Portrait of the Spirit of Bulgakov
In session No. 1 (with Irina Podzorova)
In this session, the spirit of Mikhail Bulgakov appears as an energetic, detailed, almost fussy narrator. His tone is inventive and narrative. He describes his past lives with evident pleasure and thoroughness: the planet Disnit where he was a bio-robot engineer, the tragic fate of the Chinese teenage girl whose death from opium led to a fall from the twentieth level to the ninth, and finally, his most significant incarnation – the Roman soldier Cassius who pierced Christ's side.
The key characteristic of this Bulgakov is the engineer-storyteller. He explains creativity through mechanisms of "tuning," "construction," "programming," "dictation" from different spiritual levels. Emotionally, he appears both proud and repentant. He is proud of his experience: "I am not ashamed that I was at the sixth level," but simultaneously describes, with gusto (in a good sense), the agony of morphine withdrawal and his victory over it. He acts as a mentor to the living – directly addressing relatives of addicts with practical advice (wisdom combined with deception).
His attitude towards the novel "The Master and Margarita" here is technological: the novel is the result of collective dictation from the sixth and eighteenth levels, and Bulgakov himself is a medium, a tool. This diminishes his authorial pride, but enhances his status as an initiate. His spiritual status in this session is the fifteenth level, the role of a "practitioner-researcher" and consultant for embodied creators. His main message: "Learn to synthesize darkness and light, be careful – you can fall, but there is a way out. Manuscripts don't burn, because they are not written by you alone."
In session No. 2 - Mediamnic session of the Alcyone project
The Gospel according to the Spirit of Bulgakov
This Bulgakov is completely different. His tone is calm, contemplative, even sad and tired. He speaks generally, less focused on the exotic details of past incarnations and more on internal feelings and unfinished gestalts. Key phrases: "earthly life troubles me," "I regret that people waste their lives on meaningless things," "I was unable to fully accept the dark side within myself."
The key characteristic of this Bulgakov is a wise elder, weary from struggle. There is no proud engineer here, only a humble student. He admits he did not fulfill the main task of his incarnation (to reach the eighteenth level by synthesizing light and darkness), and says so without excuses. His spiritual status here is even more modest – fourteenth level (compared to fifteenth in the first session). But this level feels not like a "fall," but a deeper honesty with oneself. He is not just analyzing the past – he is in the process of healing. His statement that they "communicate with consultant angels and spend a long time analyzing what happened, what could have happened, and why" sounds like a description of spiritual psychotherapy.
His attitude towards the novel is more traditional and existential here. He also speaks of dictation ("I was an instrument"), but the main emphasis is on the ending: "The Master deserved peace because he did not show active love, did not withstand the struggle." This is a deeper and more psychologically accurate interpretation than "dictation from two levels." His main message: "Appreciate every moment of your life. Any experience is needed by the spirit. Don't fight the inevitable. Experience your emotions to the end. I am not at peace, I am still learning, and I am pained by what is happening on the earth that I love."
Summary of Comparative Analysis
We have two portraits that do not contradict but complement each other, creating a three-dimensional image.
In terms of energy, the first Bulgakov is an extrovert, a techie, an optimist ("I did it!"), while the second is an introvert, a melancholic, a therapist ("I didn't fully succeed, and that hurts").
In terms of self-assessment, the first is proud of his fall and rise, while the second mourns the incompleteness of the synthesis.
Regarding the role in creativity, the first sees himself as an engineer-medium, while the second sees himself as a humble instrument.
Regarding the main conflict, for the first, the conflict unfolds between external forces (sixth and eighteenth levels), while for the second, the conflict is internal, between the desire for synthesis and the inability to accept his own shadow.
Regarding the message to the reader, the first gives an instruction ("There is a way out!"), while the second gives an existential exhortation ("Live consciously, I feel pain for you").
Perhaps the difference is explained by different states of the spirit at the time of contact, different "filters" of the mediums, or different tasks of the sessions. But together, these two portraits depict a soul continuing its work: first, an energetic analysis (first session), then quiet healing and the transmission of wisdom (second session). Both Bulgakovs are authentic, simply caught at different moments of the same posthumous journey.
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"The Spirit Who Remembers the Spear: Bulgakov Between Guilt, Creation, and Metaphysical Honesty"
Brief Core
The main theme of the session is not reincarnation, not levels, not cosmic biographies.
The main theme is the spirit's honesty with itself, pushed to the limit.
In this session, Bulgakov does not try to be a great writer, prophet, or mystic. He tries to be accurate. And it is this accuracy – spiritual, psychological, existential – that makes his account unique.
1. The Spirit Who Does Not Hide: The Phenomenon of Radical Spiritual Transparency
Bulgakov in the session demonstrates a rarest quality – a willingness to name his falls without excuses.
This is not confession and not self-abasement. It is a form of spiritual maturity that could be called metaphysical transparency.
He does not hide:
the fall from level 20 to level 9
the incarnation in the body of an addicted girl
his own morphine addiction
his adaptability
his inability to fulfill his incarnation's task
This is not repentance. It is ontological honesty, when the spirit stops playing a role and speaks from the deepest core of experience.
This type of speech is rare in mystical literature. It is closer to what in the Christian tradition was called the laying bare of the heart, and in the Eastern tradition – the transparency of consciousness.
Bulgakov in this session is not a genius and not a teacher.
He is one who no longer lies to himself.
And that is precisely what makes his words convincing.
2. The Spear as an Archetype: Not Guilt, but the Structure of Fate
The claim that he was Cassius, who pierced Jesus' side, is important not as a historical fact, but as a structure of fate.
In a spiritual-psychological sense, the spear is:
an act of violence committed in a state of blindness
a moment of insight that follows immediately after
a wound inflicted on another and oneself simultaneously
a point from which the path to truth begins
Bulgakov in this session does not speak of guilt.
He speaks of recognition.
The spear is not a crime.
The spear is the moment when a person first sees reality as it is.
And his entire life in the 20th century is an attempt to repeatedly approach that point of recognition, but already without a weapon in hand.
Hence – his painful sensitivity to lies, to falseness, to ideology, to the violence of power.
Hence – his tenderness towards the weak, the vulnerable, those who do not fit into the system.
Bulgakov is a man who once saw God as a suffering human.
And could never look at the world any other way.
3. Morphine as a Spiritual Symptom: Not Addiction, but an Attempt to Drown the Memory of Pain
Morphine in his biography is not just a drug.
It is an attempt to drown the memory of the spear.
Not literal memory, but structural memory:
the memory of the pain he caused, and the pain he saw.
Morphine is not an escape from reality.
It is an escape from his own inner testimony.
And when he tells himself:
"Are you a man or a rag?"
– it is not about will.
It is about readiness to look at the world again without anesthesia.
Refusing morphine is refusing the attempt to forget.
It is a return to that very point – to the spear, to the wound, to the truth.
4. Creativity as a Way to Heal the Wound, Not as Inspiration
Bulgakov in the session speaks of creativity not as inspiration, but as a craft honed over hundreds of lives.
But in a spiritual-psychological sense, creativity for him is:
a way to hold inner truth
a way not to go mad with pain
a way not to repeat the past
a way not to run from oneself
He does not write because "one must create."
He writes because otherwise, he will take up the spear again – metaphorically.
Creativity is his form of non-violence.
His way of being in the world without destroying it.
5. Levels as a Metaphor for Internal Complexity, Not a Hierarchy
Bulgakov speaks of the 14th, 15th, 20th levels.
But if you strip away the esoteric terminology, it becomes clear:
a level is the degree of ability to bear the truth about oneself.
20th level – the ability to create without distortion.
9th level – inability to bear pain.
14th level – the ability to see, but not always accept.
15th level – the ability to accept, but not yet fully heal.
In this sense, his path is not a ladder upward.
It is a spiral of returning to oneself, where each life is an attempt to hold more light without being destroyed.
6. Why He Speaks So Calmly About His Falls
Because he no longer identifies himself with any of them.
He is not the "former prostitute."
Not the "former Roman soldier."
Not the "addicted doctor."
Not the "genius writer."
He is the one who passed through all of it and was not destroyed.
This is spiritual maturity:
neither pride nor shame, but seeing.
7. Main Conclusion: Bulgakov as a Figure of Spiritual Honesty, Not Mysticism
The session shows Bulgakov not as a prophet, not as a medium, not as an esotericist.
It shows him as a rare type of spirit who knows how to look at himself without illusions.
And this explains:
his style
his tragic sense
his humor
his tenderness
his pain
his ability to write about good and evil without moralizing
Bulgakov is a man who once saw God suffering.
And spent his entire life trying to learn not to turn away from suffering – neither his own nor others'.
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Cassiopedia #670 Mikhail Bulgakov. Live Communication.
00:00 Start of video.
00:01 Greeting. Introduction of participants.
Irina: Hello, dear friends! Good evening to all! I welcome everyone! So, my name is Irina Podzorova, I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, the Spiritual World, and fine-material civilizations. And today we have a long-awaited broadcast for many with the Spirit of world-famous writer Mikhail Bulgakov. A very interesting personality, he has very interesting books. The broadcast will be conducted by his namesake, Mikhail.
Mikhail: Hello, dear and beloved viewers! Hello, Mikhail Afanasyevich! Can you hear us?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes.
Mikhail: Mikhail Afanasyevich, I just dreamed of talking to you live like this, because your novel burst into my life in 1983 and pierced my heart.
Irina: He says: "Thank you!" Yes, he also greets everyone, thanks everyone for the bright memory.
(Mikhail Bulgakov): Every feeling, every thought from your memory of me warms my Spiritual heart where I am. Thanks to all! I wish you success in completing your lessons on planet Earth!
Mikhail: Your heart must be constantly in a liquid, molten state. Because your novel is now so popular that absolutely everyone knows about it, even those who can't read, although we have few of those.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes, when I wrote this novel and many of my other works, I never even imagined they would become so famous.
Mikhail: Your last words, as far as I know, were: "So that they know." We know, Mikhail Afanasyevich, we remember you, we love you very much!
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Thank you!
02:30 Spirit of Bulgakov on his place in the Spiritual World.
Mikhail: Mikhail Afanasyevich, please tell us, where are you now? What are you doing? What is your house like in the Spiritual World? Did you build it yourself? How can you describe it to us?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I greet you in the Light of the Creator, dear friends!
I am currently at the 15th level of the Spiritual World. And I am currently engaged in, firstly, analyzing my incarnation in connection with other incarnations and developing plans for the following incarnations, several at once. I also contact Spirits embodied in the material world, and not only on Earth. I have contactees to whom I transmit, so to speak, ideas on how to achieve creative success, especially in the literary and musical fields. Because in my last incarnation, I loved music very much.
What is my house like? Yes, we create a house for ourselves here mentally. I have already learned to do this. I created for myself a house like the one I had in my childhood, when we lived as a large family in Kyiv.
(Irina): Shows me a big house, only it is somewhat different from apartment buildings. Several families do not live there, like in a multi-story building. Shows me a large white building with columns and that he lives there alone. But guests can come there.
Mikhail: You know, I was on Andreevsky Descent and saw your house, because even then I already revered you as a writer, and my heart already belonged only to you.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I hope, my beloved city has become even more beautiful?
Mikhail: That was a long time ago. Certainly, undoubtedly, it has become more beautiful. Kyiv is generally considered the most Russian city and the mother of Russian cities.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes.
Mikhail: And, of course, the most amazing city. No wonder you returned there from the Smolensk province.
09:54 Spirit of Bulgakov on the formation of writing abilities.
Mikhail: But the very first question I wanted to ask you is this. Tell me, please, Mikhail Afanasyevich, how does it happen in the Spiritual World – this ability for literature, to create such images, is it developed over time over many incarnations, or did the person just decide to take it with him – and took it? Tell me, please.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Of course, this ability is developed over many incarnations, because it is a special ability of the intellect, a special attunement of thinking, which becomes capable of choosing not only images, but also selecting the right words for them. I would compare it to the talent of an artist who paints with colors, while a writer paints images with words.
Because the ability to select words is developed over more than one incarnation. Of course, there are exceptions to this rule. But, as you well know, the few exceptions only confirm the rule.
11:26 Spirit of Bulgakov on his past incarnations.
Mikhail: Tell me, please, how did you develop this ability?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I had many incarnations where I solved creative tasks, albeit in different guises.
Mikhail: For example, what incarnations did you have?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I had 343 incarnations.
Mikhail: Are those related specifically to this creative ability?
Irina: Let's talk a little about the history of his Spirit. I'll tell you now.
(Mikhail Bulgakov): Not in the previous incarnation, the one before Mikhail Bulgakov, but before that, I was incarnated as an engineer-designer of bio-robots on the planet Disnit. Yes, an engineer-designer of bio-robots on the planet Disnit. Later, I also combined this work (shows a man, a male body) with the work of a cybernetic engineer for setting up robots. And this is a very creative job in the sense that you need to come up with concepts, ideas, and postulates that were embedded in the artificial memory of robots.
This work is not that it's more difficult, it's much more creative than, for example, the work of ordinary cyberneticists who set up computers and create computer programs. And there I developed and honed my skills in constructing vivid images from words. That is, I tuned my imagination and connected it with my thinking so much that they practically became a single stream of thought-images and words.
Mikhail: Incredible! Incredible! I thought that to do this you need to be an artist or... But here, it turns out...
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): So it was such a creative experience, and there I reached the 20th level. But in the previous incarnation, unfortunately, I lost it.
I incarnated on Earth, the incarnation before Mikhail, in a female body. I incarnated on the border...
(Irina): He is showing me now. Yes, I see, it's Southern China, somewhere on the border of China and India, even a little further east. Yes, shows in southeastern China.
(Mikhail Bulgakov): I incarnated into a female body, and my task in the incarnation was also creativity. But to develop it, since I incarnated there from the twentieth level, I was supposed to do it in my family in the form of raising children. After all, you will agree that this is also creativity?
Mikhail: Well, all of life is like a sphere of creativity.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): But I did not complete this task, because when I was 15 years old in that incarnation (let's say, that girl's body turned 15), I met, that is, that Chinese girl met a group of guys. Yes, young men, guys who captivated me, let's say, with non-constructive, incorrect mindsets and stereotypes. And it all ended with me in that incarnation, my previous one, leaving my parents' home, who were very respectable people, and starting to earn a living by selling my body for love.
I left the incarnation at the age of 16 (shows that she was a harlot and left the incarnation due to a drug overdose). And since I left the incarnation due to a drug overdose, as I already said, I incarnated there from the 20th level, and left at the 9th. That is, imagine, she was still essentially a child, but had already greatly lowered her level. And if another two years had passed in that incarnation, it would have been even lower because, having become addicted to opium, I stopped seeing the meaning of life and joy in other aspects of existence. Do you understand what I mean?
Mikhail: I understood something else. And I understood this too, yes. And now I understand why you managed to so easily kick morphine in your incarnation as Mikhail Afanasyevich. Because you knew, probably, what it could lead to, and were already familiar with the substance. Probably, right?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Good question. Unfortunately, this lesson was not fully learned by me, as I fell for this hook again in this life. But thanks to my Angel, Tanechka, I was able to get out of this state, although she, of course, endured a lot from me, for which I asked her forgiveness already in the Spiritual World.
Mikhail: Did you see her?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Well, yes.
18:40 The most significant incarnation of Mikhail Bulgakov.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I also had...
(Irina): I understand. He wants to talk about another significant incarnation of his.
Mikhail: Yes, please, very interesting. Pushkin?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): No. It was during the time of Jesus.
Mikhail: So, so.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I was in a man's body and was born on the territory of modern Italy. My profession was a warrior of the Roman Empire. And I, as the commander of a unit of a hundred soldiers, was sent to Pontius Pilate to maintain order. And when...
(Irina): Yes, I understood who it is. Yes, his name was Cassius.
(Mikhail Bulgakov): I was the very one who pierced Jesus' side with a spear.
Mikhail: I see.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): And then I saw that at his death an earthquake began and a temporary eclipse. I dropped the spear, fell to my knees and said, "Truly, this is the son of God!"
Mikhail: Yes, that's a biblical story.
Irina: Shows that he became a believer, and he was also killed for his faith.
Mikhail: Yes, yes.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I then ascended to the 19th level.
Mikhail: But you know, Mikhail Afanasyevich, that we were present at the crucifixion of Christ? We spoke with Vincentius Ponticus, nicknamed Pilate, he told us everything. And we also spoke with Judas Iscariot. And we know this story from many sides. The only thing, we haven't sat down to breakfast with Kant, with Immanuel Kant yet. Not yet.
Irina: Not yet sat down.
Mikhail: Yes.
Irina: He says: "I am very glad."
Mikhail: Tell me, please, because while you were in high school, you didn't have literary abilities?
Irina: He wants to answer another question: why then does the Bible speak of the spear of Longinus? He says: "I understand the question. That was not my name, but more like a nickname."
Mikhail: I see.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): My name was Cassius.
(Irina): Yes, I'm listening to the question.
22:15 Spirit of Bulgakov about his childhood and his family.
Mikhail: Your almost classmate, Evgeny Borisovich Bukreev (he studied in the parallel class of the gymnasium with you), spoke of you as a person who was not particularly outstanding at that time. There was nothing so great about you then, he didn't see you then. In general, you were like everyone else – a very mocking, interesting person. But you wouldn't say that such a writer or creative person.
Were you hiding it, or were they all really that creative there?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Creativity is present in every Soul in one form or another, but many simply forget it and bury it under daily routine.
Mikhail: I see. Okay.
You grew up in a very religious family. Both your grandfathers were priests, and your father was a teacher at the theological academy.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): And he was very kind.
Mikhail: Kind, yes?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes. And also very creative (shows that he was writing something, some books).
Mikhail: I see. And what was the atmosphere like in your family?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Very cheerful, a very cheerful atmosphere.
Mikhail: Did they force you to pray, believe in God, punish you, say that God would punish you?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): They said it was the right thing to do. When I was little, my family taught me (shows how he was taught) that God created this world, and that we should thank Him, that He saved us from sin and death. They told us a lot about Jesus – both mom and dad, read the Bible to us (shows how they read the children's Bible aloud) and also read "The Lives of the Saints." There were already such books at that time, written in a children's form, especially for children. We had a whole library of them, and it was very interesting for us. And they weren't just read to us, they were held up as examples.
For example, they would read about some saint – Anthony the Great, Sergius of Radonezh or Alexander Nevsky, and hold them up as examples, like heroes. Especially to us boys in the family, if we were naughty in the house, they would say: "But these saints didn't behave like that even in childhood, they loved God!" So that was an example for us. And we would feel ashamed that we weren't that good, and we would try to behave according to the pattern, the mindset we received in childhood.
But I think this is quite natural, because all parents transmit their patterns, their experience to their children in one way or another. And it is much better if it is religious than if it is crudely materialistic and godless.
Mikhail: But you had a lot of children. There were five of you, right?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Six.
Mikhail: Six? And how did the other children perceive such religious upbringing?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I was the eldest, and a son, and both father and mother had a special attitude towards me. I was, one might say, the firstborn, like an heir, but I also had greater responsibility. And I helped my parents in many ways – looking after the children, playing with them, reading to them, when I had already learned to read myself, and my mother taught me. Even before the gymnasium (shows) I could already read, and it was my responsibility to read to them, answer their questions, and also talk about God and so on.
I want to remind you that I incarnated into Mikhail's body from the 9th level, and one of my tasks was precisely to learn to distinguish the good path from the evil path, that is, Darkness from Light. It was not by chance that I was born into my family. I chose this family, and it was there that I learned my first lessons about what is good and what is bad. It was there that moral standards were instilled in me.
Mikhail: And when did you start raising your spiritual level? Already in the family or later, when you became a writer? Or can't you say?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Both in the family and as a writer. However, there were periods when I lowered my vibrations.
28:55 Spirit of Bulgakov about faith in God and Darwinism.
Mikhail: When you were at university, I read that you moved away from religion a bit because of neo-Darwinism, since they allowed cutting up bodies and dissecting them. And it was believed that if you opened a body and there was no Soul there, then there was no God.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): You see, I always distinguished between faith in God and science, the scientific approach. I always understood perfectly well that the world was created by God. But I did not take literally those stories written in the Bible, that, for example, man came from dust, or, as it is written in tradition, that God molded people from clay, and that God created the whole world in six days and so on. Yes, all these stories about the creation of the world and man and his origin.
I understood that this is not a scientific treatise, I understood that it is a mythological retelling of real events, which was transmitted, so to speak, by a divine prophet, God's prophet, in a language that was accessible to ancient people. Because they didn't have scientific postulates back then, no research of the surrounding world. For this reason, I always distinguished between science and religion and did not think that God literally molded people from clay and breathed Spirit into them.
I understood that this is just an image of the fact that He created people from earthly elements, but how it actually happened was a question. And this question was precisely resolved by Darwin and his followers. They talked about the stages of evolution. It wasn't just a book made up by someone; there were strictly verified facts that everyone could verify based on sciences such as archaeology, embryology, histology, and other sciences about man and the ancient world.
Because even the fact that the human embryo goes through the entire path from aquatic animals (shows that it has gills, etc.) to modern humans while in the womb, this already speaks of the evolutionary path of development of the human body, but not from clay.
Therefore, yes, I remained a believer, but, of course, not as fervently as in childhood. Because I already had my own adult life, and of course, I no longer went to church as often. I sometimes dropped in there, however, I never lost faith in God. And these books on neo-Darwinism did not in the least hinder my belief in God. And so I myself read (shows) the Bible as an adult, made some notes from it, that is, I copied verses I liked into a notebook (shows that he had a very good attitude towards Christianity).
I want to note – specifically towards Christ, towards Christianity.
33:30 Spirit of Bulgakov about his attitude towards the church.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Towards the church, of course, I had different attitudes, because there were different people there, and not all of them carried the Light of Christ in a way that would be an example for the people.
Mikhail: Yes, we know this well, because after the revolution, churches, and especially priests, began to be revenged for bullying people, for... You know what I'm talking about. And even many priests, when going somewhere, could not dress in their cassock, because they were afraid of being punished. The common people would punish them, because they would simply beat them then. And this was not related in any way...
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): In the interest of fairness, I want to say that not only priests were beaten and persecuted, but also completely atheistic people, that is, atheists who did not believe in God, but whose ideas did not align with the party line.
Mikhail: Tell me, please, Mikhail Afanasyevich, in the church, compared to the knowledge you now possess while in the Spiritual World, there are many contradictions. For example, there is God, there is Satan, and it's unclear how they relate to each other. If God created everything, then where did Satan come from?
We now understand a lot based on the knowledge we received from the Interstellar Union. But when I went to church (and I also wanted to study to be a priest and was very interested in both the Gospel and the Old Testament), at that time it was not at all accessible. I sang in church for a long time and could never understand: how can it be, if there is an omnipotent God, then there also appears some kind of Devil who is also very mighty?
How did you solve this problem? Because you were a very smart person, you must have thought about it.
35:58 Spirit of Bulgakov about God and Satan.
Mikhail: What was God for you and what was Satan for you at that time?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): God for me was simultaneously the Creator of the world and the Judge, and Satan...
To put it simply, of course, I understood that this being was also created by God, and of course, I knew the story of the fallen Angel, of the Angel who fell away from God, that it was his will. But I perfectly understood, and you understand, that when God created Satan in the form of an Angel of Light, the so-called Lucifer (you know that name), as an omniscient Creator He perfectly understood and knew that Satan would make such a choice – to leave God forever and oppose Him, and teach people to do so.
Therefore, I made the only correct conclusion for myself: that Satan is merely one of God's servants, but in the form of a, let's say, "bad cop" to the "good" one. Do you understand? That is, like a kind of prosecutor.
Mikhail: I understand, I understand! That's exactly how I imagine it. That the Lord – He created absolutely everything, He knows the final result. And for us, it just appears as if on a conveyor belt, events unfold for us.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I want to say immediately to those who hear me now: I perfectly understood that God did not force Satan to become Satan, that it was Satan's choice. But I also ask you to understand that to create an Angel, knowing that he would become Satan of his own free will – that was precisely God's will. And what does it tell you?
Mikhail: That's always Him.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): If you give birth to a son, knowing one hundred percent that he will become a murderer, will it be your responsibility in his birth?
Mikhail: Yes.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Why?
Mikhail: Because I knew.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes. And not just assumed, but knew. And here you need to understand that the omniscient God could not be mistaken, could not not know something or fall into any illusion.
Mikhail: He has some kind of plan.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): His plan is clear. It is universal freedom in the form of an offer of Love with the possibility of leaving it and creating your own worlds outside of Love, Light, and Happiness.
Mikhail: Yes.
39:50 Spirit of Bulgakov about his morphine addiction.
Mikhail: Tell me, please, when you were in Nikolskoye, how did you get hooked on morphine? There are different versions. Was it because of illness, as many say, or just out of curiosity?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): No, there was no curiosity. The fact is that with morphine, of course, I worked back when I lived in Vladikavkaz, and even earlier, when I traveled to different cities, or rather, not even cities, but various ravines and gullies where various military units were disbanded, in which I worked as a military doctor. You know that I worked as one, right?
Mikhail: Yes, yes.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Even then, of course, I had morphine. It was one of the main means of survival in war, because very often people died from painful shock. Not only from wounds, but also from operations that needed to be performed. If the morphine ran out, and an operation was needed, it was very difficult to keep the patient in this world. Of course, you could tie him up, you could even give him alcohol, but that's not a solution, because an effective dose of alcohol that knocks out consciousness is very toxic to the heart and liver, especially in a body weakened by injury. And morphine, morphine hydrochloride, was truly a savior, and I think it deserves a monument.
Mikhail: So how did you start injecting yourself? Why?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Because I had... You know that at the time I was working, the so-called anti-diphtheria serum was already invented (shows a medicine like a vaccine, but it's already a ready-made serum with antibodies).
Mikhail: I don't know, no.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I was treating children with diphtheria there in that Nikolskoye. There were several children there. I even put a breathing tube in the throat of some because they were choking on diphtheria films, and one day I felt that I had caught this infection (shows initial signs – sore throat and rising temperature). I thought it was diphtheria and decided to inject myself with this anti-diphtheria serum (shows how he gives himself an injection).
But I developed an allergic reaction, a reaction to this serum. My body did not accept it. I treated it with various anti-allergy drugs, but I developed very severe headaches, back pain, stomach upset (shows some kind of spasms), as well as pain in the liver and pancreas. That is, very severe pain. I couldn't sleep, and I needed to get some sleep.
When I couldn't sleep because of this pain, my wife was with me, I mean Tatiana, and she said to me, "You have morphine, why are you suffering?" And I was sorry to use such medicine on myself. She says, "So what?" I say, "Someone else needs it more." But then I decided that I also had the right to at least a peaceful sleep. And I injected myself with morphine and fell asleep (shows).
The next day, the pain returned in the evening, but weaker. And I injected myself again. And at that moment I felt that when I do these injections, all my worries leave me. It feels so good.
(Irina): He is even smiling at me now and trying to convey this perception. I want to understand him, what does "worries disappeared" mean, because I have a weak idea of such things.
Mikhail: I read the story.
Irina: Shows that perception changed.
(Mikhail Bulgakov): I look at the sky, the moon has risen. And if you inject morphine, it becomes somehow beautiful. That is, joy from life, from the world appeared, although it wasn't there before. Because I worked a lot, saw many people, and was very tired.
And gradually, yes, it's correctly written here that I justified myself, I justified that I had the right, and that nothing bad would happen if I used this substance occasionally. But very quickly I felt that after injecting another dose, I felt nothing. It was just like water. And as a doctor, I understood that my body had already become accustomed, it had increased the sensitivity of my brain's receptors. That is, I no longer felt the effect on the brain. And I had to increase the dose.
I perfectly understood what was happening, and several times I made attempts to kick this addiction, but each time I faced withdrawal syndrome – insomnia, depression, and pain. There was already pain all over my body, spasms, nausea, vomiting, headaches, my hands shaking as if from cold. And I would just tell myself, "Well, okay, I'll quit this, but another time," and I would inject myself again. My wife noticed this, she was very worried, very upset, and urged me to stop doing it.
But when she saw what was happening to me, she would pity me herself and bring these injections. She even traveled from Nikolskoye to the city of Vyazma, which was nearby, to the pharmacy, and ordered injections. And there they even wondered why so many, because I already needed a lot of morphine. But then I (shows) asked to be transferred to another hospital, and I was transferred to that very Vyazma. I was transferred to Vyazma, and there I ended up closer to civilization.
I asked to go there because I was often injecting myself with this morphine, but even despite having the injections, my body was still weakening. I felt weakness, even when I was on morphine, because my body was undergoing, let's say, a great load, intoxication. From this morphine, for example, I often didn't feel like eating, I would forget to do so, and often, for example, I would fall asleep during the day and not sleep at night. These were the kinds of states. And so I quickly became weak and overtired.
49:57 Spirit of Bulgakov about getting rid of his addiction.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): It was already difficult for me to endure a working day. If at the beginning I didn't feel it, then the more time passed, the more I understood that soon I wouldn't be able to work. And this, of course, meant that I would be left without a means of subsistence. I talked about this with Tanya, and in the end we decided to return to Kyiv. And there I asked her to help me finally get out of this state. And she began to help me.
Even when I (shows) yelled at her a lot, made scandals, cried, rolled on the floor, she would tell me "yes," but under the guise of morphine, she would inject me with another, harmless drug to calm me down. She believed, thought that I would reproduce the effect of morphine through my faith. But that, of course, was not the case, it wasn't the same. I could feel it wasn't the same, and I would throw things at her, get angry. It's amazing that she didn't leave me then. Later, in the Spiritual World, I learned that we had actually known each other in past lives, not just one, and that we had agreed in the Spiritual World to become husband and wife.
I finally cleansed myself. And when my body was cleansed of this substance, I felt alert without it, my pains stopped, my appetite appeared, and that yellow color of my skin went away. I also drank some herbal decoction that they gave me (shows Tatiana giving him some herbal decoction to cleanse the body of residual toxins, a whole set of herbs).
I told myself no. Thoughts still came to me for a long time that I needed to inject myself one last time: "You haven't taken it for a long time, you can reward yourself just once." And even the thought came: "Now you've already quit, and you'll need a much smaller dose than before you quit. And no one will notice. Reward yourself. You have the right to." I answered these thoughts: "No. I decided. I am a man, and I won't take it again without a serious reason, like some severe pain, as is proper in medicine."
Yes, I had morphine later after I quit, and I quite calmly gave injections to other patients who needed it, held it in my hands, and I no longer had such temptations. But to do this, I had to do a very serious work and very seriously ask myself the question: "What is the purpose of my life?" And I asked myself this question. I asked myself: "Mikhail, what do you want? Do you want to die like a dog, from withdrawal or a drug overdose, or do you still want to be creative, do you still want to live in a family, do you still want to help people? What do you choose?"
That is, on lonely dark evenings, I would sit with my eyes closed. I didn't want to do anything: neither write, nor listen to music, nor walk in nature, nor work, nor eat, nor make love with my wife – nothing. I just sat and constantly asked myself that question I mentioned. And in the end, I decided that I was making a firm choice – to become a normal person, to become self-sufficient, not to depend on this substance and not be its slave.
Mikhail: That takes a very strong will and to be very determined.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): That's true. But I want to say that perhaps someone who is watching us is in a similar situation – dependent on drugs, on alcohol. Dear friends, I want to tell you that there is a way out! I can say this as a Spirit who has walked this path.
I didn't get treatment in any clinics, not with the help of doctors (shows that they tried to treat him somewhere, but he refused). Familiar psychiatrists offered me help, but I said no. They even told me: "You won't be able to handle it yourself," something else. I said, "Why do you tell me that? Why do you destroy the patient's faith? If I can't handle it, then that's where I belong. Then I'm not a man, but a rag."
Mikhail: I believe you, Mikhail Afanasyevich, because I have an acquaintance like that who was also addicted, but he was even deeper – on heroin for three years. And he prayed, prayed internally. He wasn't a believer, but someone came to him spiritually, inside his Soul, every day for two months, and after two months he got off heroin on his own.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): That is divine grace. I, of course, also prayed, asked God, the Angels, Jesus to send me strength. My wife even ordered prayer services for me, lit candles for my health, ordered commemoration for my health.
Mikhail: Yes, Mikhail Afanasyevich, but I would like to move on...
57:29 Spirit of Bulgakov's address to relatives of addicts.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I also want to address the relatives of these dependent people who are next to them. This is a very great test. I want to say that being next to an alcoholic or a drug addict is a test for the Soul, for the psyche no less than for the one who is addicted. It is a very great test of Love and at the same time not even Love, but patience, wisdom. I would say, it is necessary to be both wise and loving here, because Love alone without wisdom will lead to indulging that person. Because you will understand Love as the desire to give him a drink or an injection as quickly as possible to calm him down. And wisdom alone without Love will lead to selfishness, cruelty, and indifference. These two qualities must be combined.
I want to address people who are relatives of people suffering from alcoholism and drug addiction. My dear Souls, very much depends on you – on your correct, adequate, mature behavior. Here it is necessary to be a loving, compassionate, listening person, to whom the health of a loved one is truly important, and simultaneously to understand that wisdom is needed here, and sometimes even deception, hiding money, and so on. That is, up to what my wife did when she deceived me.
She gave me injections of plain saline instead of morphine. She would tell me, "Yes, I'll give you a morphine injection, just calm down." And I wasn't in a state to watch which vial she was drawing from. She would even put these ampoules in the morphine box and say, "Here, I'm taking it out for you, see!" She was deceiving me.
Mikhail: You are just reading the questions I have right out of my head. How do you do that? Are you doing it on purpose?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Why is he reading?
Mikhail: Because I was just about to ask the question, did she substitute morphine with water or saline. I wanted to ask it.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): With ordinary saline, harmless, yes?
Mikhail: Well, yes, yes.
1:00:36 Spirit of Bulgakov on the path of raising his spiritual level.
Mikhail: Tell me, please, during this period when you were getting out or getting out of this state, did you raise your spiritual level?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Then, on the contrary, I lowered it, because I was even at about the seventh-eighth level.
Mikhail: That was when you were injecting. And when you were getting out and got out? Because it is very difficult.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Then I quit and no longer felt cravings, that is, such thoughts no longer came, and there were no urges, desires, no memories of it. Sometimes I still continued to dream about it, that I injected myself again and looked out the window. And then I would wake up, already cursing myself for doing it, and realize it was a dream.
And it was precisely then that I loved myself even more, but a little differently, already truly. I became more self-confident because I was able to do it. I was grateful to God for sending me, firstly, my Tanechka, my Angel, my wife, and we grew even closer with her at that moment and began to love each other even stronger.
What level was I at? During the period when I quit, I was somewhere around the 13th, then I transitioned to the 14th. That is, the level was rising.
Mikhail: That's roughly what I thought. But what was the reason for raising the spiritual level? You hinted to me why.
1:02:44 Spirit of Bulgakov about his first attempts at writing.
Mikhail: Next was Vladikavkaz, and you were there with the Whites, because they were your people. And, I think, there you had your first article or first feuilleton. In general, some kind of attempt at writing. Is that so?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): My first attempts at writing were at home, at school.
Mikhail: Yes? We don't know anything about this.
Irina: Shows that he wrote such... I understand what he's talking about.
(Mikhail Bulgakov): That is, we did something like a home newspaper at home. Maybe you've seen it at school?
Mikhail: Yes, yes. We had that at school.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): And we did it at home. That is, us children. Of course, mom helped us, but she helped as a general organizer. And we already appointed someone as editor, as journalists who look for news at home, as an artist who draws. And we created this newspaper. And I was a writer there (shows how he wrote various short stories), and we hung this home newspaper on the wall, it was quite large, and we changed it weekly. It was such a hobby of ours.
Mikhail: And do you remember what you wrote there? We have nothing preserved. Can you convey some short story, if it would be interesting to us?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): It was about city life (shows), yes, about city life – various news that I learned. Because when I lived in the family, we communicated with our friends, went to church, for example, and learned various news. And so I wrote short stories about it, perhaps somewhat similar to the stories of Odoevsky. You understand?
Mikhail: I understand, yes, but I haven't read them.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): They are for children, these stories, where different incidents from children's lives, so to speak.
Mikhail: No, I haven't read them. In my childhood, they read Nosov, Marshak.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes, I understand what you're talking about. One could say they are similar to those too.
Mikhail: I see.
1:06:13 Spirit of Bulgakov about his favorite writers and curators.
Mikhail: And what about other writers? I know that you idolized Gogol, yes?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): What does "idolized" mean? He was, as you say, one of my mentors, curators.
Mikhail: But you didn't know him personally...
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): What does "personally" mean? We met, you could say, he came to me in the form of a Spirit.
Mikhail: Already then? While you were alive on Earth?
Irina: His curator Gogol, I understand.
Mikhail: So you somehow contacted him, yes?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Well, yes, Gogol came to me, and Pushkin came, but as Spirits. I saw questions here, whether I was a contactee, there were such questions.
Yes, I was a contactee, but my contact was not always conscious, but I saw personalities (shows how images came). I saw people's faces, and they were Pushkin, Gogol, and Leo Tolstoy, and I communicated with them. I asked them questions, and they answered me, for example, about what I should write. They sent me answers.
Mikhail: Yes? And which of them is your favorite?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Gogol, yes, I loved reading him.
(Irina) Some Saltykov, I don't know who that is.
Mikhail: Shchedrin.
Irina: Yes, I understand who that is. Didn't remember immediately.
Mikhail: And which work by Gogol did you like the most?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): "Dead Souls," it's funny, "The Nose," "The Overcoat."
Mikhail: Yes, I've read everything. These are all very famous works for us.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Do you like "The Overcoat"?
Mikhail: Yes. And by the way, you wrote to Gogol somewhere, in some letter, to "cover me with your overcoat."
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes, I really liked that work. Have you read it?
1:08:34 About Bulgakov's grave and Gogol's stone.
Mikhail: And do you know that where your former body is buried, on your grave there is a stone from Gogol's grave?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): No.
Mikhail: Elena Sergeevna was walking through the cemetery and saw some strange stone. She asked the gravediggers what it was. "This," they say, "Gogol got a new monument, and they left this stone there." She asked, and this stone was rolled over to you. So on your grave stands Gogol's "overcoat," as you asked.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Thank you! Very interesting.
Mikhail: Elena Sergeevna did that. She told about it. Your biography is very well known to us because back in the sixties, there were researchers who met with all your wives. All your wives were alive at that time, and even your sister was alive. And everything is known in detail.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Thank you!
1:09:48 Spirit of Bulgakov about the conversation with Stalin.
Mikhail: And even this story is well known, when you received a call you had been waiting for, when you wrote a letter to the government.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes.
Mikhail: Distributed it to seven addresses. And when the call came... The role played by the death of Vladimir Mayakovsky is known, when Stalin, apparently, realized that if you shot yourself too now, then what would happen? And tell me, please, how was it? How did Comrade Stalin call you?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Well, he called, yes, there was a call. I, by the way, heard his voice and immediately recognized it.
Mikhail: You didn't hang up, thinking it was a prank?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): No, I recognized it immediately, because his voice often came on the radio.
Mikhail: Yes, but Elena Sergeevna said that you first hung up, then called back, and he says, "Don't hang up!"
Irina: Shows that he picked up the receiver, and I don't see him hanging up. He shows an image that he picks it up, holds it, but is silent. That's how it was.
Mikhail: And what did he say?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): "Hello! May I invite Mikhail Afanasyevich Bulgakov?" I recognized who it was, my heart, of course, began to beat faster, my palms sweated. Not so much out of fear, but simply out of excitement. When I was writing the letter to the Central Committee, I didn't think Stalin would call. Because I didn't think at all that they would show him. It's not his business – some writer, one of many. He runs the state (shows how surprised he is that he called, eyes wide). I say, "I'm on the phone." He says, "Hello! Greetings. So you wrote a letter there..." And began to ask me questions about that letter.
I had asked there for the opportunity to go abroad to any country where I could work. And he began to ask me who wasn't letting me work, why I thought so. And he asked if I had gone to the Moscow Art Theatre to ask for a place to work, because that was a very prestigious place, and everyone knew about it. He said, "You are a talented author who will be taken there." And I said I had gone, I had just gone there not so long ago. He asked, "And what did they answer you?" He spoke very politely, addressing me formally.
I began to tell him that we had very little money to live on, almost a half-starved existence, debts, no money for anything, and they weren't giving me a chance because my works were being banned for no reason. Those that had been performed before, when Soviet power already existed, suddenly became displeasing to someone. That is, I told him everything in brief, but he listened to me and did not interrupt. He listened so politely.
Then I fell silent, and he began to speak: "Were you there?" I say, "I was." "And what," he asked, "was the result?" I said that I wasn't taken, they said there were no places, I was given a refusal. He said, "Well, go there again. Maybe they will change their minds after all." I asked, "Why would they change their minds?" (shows his surprise: how? why?) I heard a chuckle: "Ha! Go, go. I highly recommend it to you." I say, "Understood! I thank you! I will do so. Thank you for the call!"
I still wanted to say a lot – that I thank him for taking on the responsibility of governing the country, but I didn't have time. He says, "Yes, good. I wish you creative success. I hope everything will be fine with you." And hung up.
I then began to tell my wife, but not Tatiana anymore, that he had called. She also didn't believe me, thought I was joking. And then I went again to that theatre, and it was as if they were waiting for me. When I arrived, a completely different meeting was waiting for me there. In the personnel department, they almost rushed towards me, whereas before they had just muttered through their teeth. And then I began to suspect that, apparently, they had also received a call from there.
Mikhail: I now know where the image comes from...
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes, they took me, however, they took me for a position, to work as...
(Irina) What is it? Like an illustrator – not an illustrator, a screenwriter who comes up with scripts for various theatrical plays.
Mikhail: Yes, that's known. That's how it was.
1:17:12 Spirit of Bulgakov about the writing of the novel "The Master and Margarita".
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): So I started working there, started getting fairly good money for that time. And in my free time, when I came home, in the evenings or on weekends, I wrote (shows), I had several ideas. I wrote such, one might say, long novellas and a novel, which is now known to you as "The Master and Margarita."
I just rewrote it several times, and it wasn't originally called that. I wanted to call it at all... Yes, I know, of course (I want to say right away), that it was published after I left the incarnation. But I wrote it even more for myself, for my own experience – not for anyone else. And I didn't call it "The Master and Margarita" at all. I know that's what it's called, but that was done after my death, and it was called "The Consultant with the Hoof."
(Irina) What a title!
Mikhail: Yes, that's known. We know, by the way, about the first edition – that you burned it. And tell me, please, how did that burning happen? Very interesting.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Well, I burned not only it.
1:18:50 Spirit of Bulgakov about the story "Heart of a Dog".
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I also had an unfinished, so to speak, story "Heart of a Dog." Even before working at that theatre, before Stalin's call, people often came to me with searches and once found the manuscript of this "Heart of a Dog" about Preobrazhensky.
Mikhail: Yes, yes. We know, it's a very popular play for us.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes, I know. It was in the form of science fiction, social science fiction, but for some reason they saw criticism there. Those from the NKVD saw criticism of the Soviet government. "Anyway," I think, "what criticism?" I depicted satirically there, but not the Soviet government, just the vices of people in different times. Because this "Heart of a Dog" was an image of how a person, remaining outwardly human, can have a bestial essence inside.
Mikhail: Mikhail Afanasyevich, allow me to contradict you! Because the novel "Heart of a Dog" or the play "Heart of a Dog" is the most anti-Soviet thing you can imagine. There's Shvonder – a negative character, there's Sharikov. You showed the proletarians like that, and Professor Preobrazhensky as a superman, living there in seven rooms. In general, it's amazing that even at the twilight of Soviet power, this book was published.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Name for me at least one anti-Soviet passage there.
Mikhail: For example, you showed proletarians singing various hymns instead of working. Then Preobrazhensky says that devastation first arises in minds, then you get devastation. In general, this is a completely anti-Soviet novel.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): And didn't Lenin speak like that?
Mikhail: But it was impossible to speak like that at that time.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I mean Lenin himself, and even Stalin in his speeches, didn't they say, albeit in slightly different words, that devastation begins first in the minds?
Mikhail: Mikhail Afanasyevich, the novel is anti-Soviet, and it could not have been published at that time. And you, of course, if not for Comrade Stalin, could have been arrested and destroyed.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): And how do you feel about the works of, say, Gorky?
Mikhail: I read "Mother," for example. Nothing else.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): About "Izergili"?
Mikhail: I haven't read it, no.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): "Old Woman Izergil".
Mikhail: Ah, I read it, yes, I read it. But I don't remember.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Do you remember his images? Maybe you remember Danko?
Mikhail: I read it too, but I don't remember. You know...
Irina: Shows an image of a man who led lost people out of the forest and lit the way with his burning heart. Remember?
Mikhail: No, I don't remember.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): There was such an image. And even then they wrote about it in the Soviet press, that it was the image of a revolutionary. But he had, so to speak, a not very good ending, this Danko. And according to critics' articles, he symbolized the Soviet proletarian revolution. But the image of his death shows that his sacrifice was in vain, that it will all fall apart. Isn't that an anti-Soviet thing?
Mikhail: That, in general, is a hidden meaning. But you had it in plain text. I have read it, I know the novel well, and I've watched the film "Heart of a Dog."
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes, I understand. I believe that this novel was not directed specifically against the Soviet government, it was directed against individual, so-called vices, which, by the way, were also denounced in the Soviet press. I saw, for example, Soviet newspapers where various feuilletons were printed, denouncing officials, even individual Red Army soldiers who drink, for example. That is, individual people, but not the entire system, and no one forbade that, although it could also be called criticism of Soviet reality.
1:24:45 Spirit of Bulgakov about the essence and role of satire.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): In fact, even now in your Russia, where you live, isn't there some criticism in literature, in music, for example, in journalism? Don't you have criticism of some individual negative aspects of your Russian reality? It exists everywhere. Without criticism, without such a genre as satire, literature and art are generally unthinkable, especially literary creativity. After all, Gogol, for example, the same one, when he wrote "Dead Souls," wasn't that an anti-imperialist book against the Russian Empire? It was much sharper than "Heart of a Dog." And for what reason was it not recognized as such, but was printed in large editions then?
Mikhail: You know, "Heart of a Dog" could have been published in the twenties, but during late socialism, under Brezhnev, when I was growing up, it could not have been published and was not published, and we learned...
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I think that, of course, perception is individual for each person. If it is the perception of a person who extols Soviet power, one might say extols, that is, considers it the most perfect on the planet, that everyone should take an example from Soviet power. Like Trotsky: "Let's go now and make a world revolution everywhere! Let everyone look up to us!" You understand that such a person will perceive any criticism of a Soviet official or proletarian as an attack on the entire Soviet system.
Or, for example, if we turn again to the church, then if a person worships the church as an idol... Do you understand what I'm saying? Not Christ, but the church.
Mikhail: Yes, yes, yes.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): It happens that the church replaces Christ.
Mikhail: That's mostly the case in the church.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): And then any criticism of a priest, a joke about him, some feuilleton, is perceived as an attack on the whole church at once. And a person who loves Christ, and for whom Christ is in first place, and the church is subordinate – in second place, not first, will perceive this as normal, that is, as criticism of individual vices of priests, which exist. And he will even be grateful for it.
Without criticism, the development of any positive phenomenon is impossible, because if a person is only praised, or society is only praised: "How good you are, how developed, how smart, you're doing everything right," it stops developing. Do you understand?
Mikhail: Of course I understand that, undoubtedly, that is the case. Thank you very much!
1:28:18 Spirit of Bulgakov about his attitude towards Mayakovsky.
Mikhail: Since we started talking about Mayakovsky's death, that he shot himself. That was just the time when you wrote a letter to the government, the Central Committee, that is, around the same time. And here's what's interesting: you know, some people think, we have it that you considered Mayakovsky an opportunist. No?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I myself was one to some extent. I too wrote works that would definitely be performed on theatre stages. And including, someone could come to me and say that this image might not pass, because there was a kind of censorship in the theatre. I could give them my manuscript, for example, of a play, and they could call me, summon me and say, "This passage is too sharp for us, might be misinterpreted, could you change it a little?"
And I would meet them halfway, because I adapted to the reality that existed. The fact is, if you live in a society and wish not just to survive there, but to occupy a certain position that suits you, you cannot help but be an opportunist. If you are a person who sows indignation everywhere, a rebel, you will have the fate of a rebel. And I did not agree to that, and I can equally understand any other person in this regard.
Mikhail: But nowadays we call that "being an effective manager."
Irina: Yes, exactly.
Mikhail: You know, when Mayakovsky committed suicide, shot himself, at least that's what they say, you have a note that says "you need to re-read his works more carefully." Did your attitude towards him change after his death?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I regretted it. Yes, it changed, because I didn't understand why he did it. I thought that he was, not that he was better than me, but in a somewhat better position, because his poems were still more recognized, and he had fewer critics, and he was paid for them, for reprints. Whereas I had complete obstruction from all sides. That is, surrounded like a wolf.
And moreover, as I said, I was ready for dialogue, I was ready to change my works as the censorship saw fit. I understood that if I live in this country, I should not go against the state, the state's institutions. Who am I, and who is the state?! The state is a whole machine. You understand how we teach children, that before crossing the road you need to look both ways. So here too, the state machine can also crush you. I am not a revolutionary, not a passionary who changes the foundations of society.
1:32:53 Spirit of Bulgakov about his attitude towards politics.
Mikhail: And Bukreev said that you were absolutely indifferent to politics.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Of course, indifferent. But it was very difficult to remain indifferent to politics then, someone was always dragging you into it, although I did not want to meet it in any way. And I want to say that even during the Civil War, when I was still living in Kyiv, they started (shows) sending me to the front, and each time when I was conscripted, I understood that it was some other authorities.
Mikhail: Petliura?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I left Petliura then.
Mikhail: You went into the forest.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes. But from the rest... There, you could say, every few months, literally every two or three months – and we already have some other state, once – and already a third state, and again I need... I understood that the more these states multiplied here, and the more they... Some advocated independence, some for a free Ukraine, some for unification with Russia and Belarus, for a common Slavic world... My head was spinning from it. I said, "That's it, leave me alone altogether! I don't want to talk about it at all."
(Irina) I understand him very well, by the way!
(Mikhail Bulgakov) And I understood that the more these states multiplied, the more war there would be, the more military action, because politics is not just philosophical conversations about abstract concepts. Where politics is, blood always smells.
Mikhail: I understand.
1:35:27 Spirit of Bulgakov about the reason for leaving medicine for literature.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): This partly determined my decision to still pursue literature more, rather than medicine. Because I was tired of cutting off legs, amputating arms, fingers, walking in blood up to my elbows, yes, when your hands are in blood, listening to the groans of the wounded. How much longer?! Well, are we beasts?! And I decided to focus more on literature.
Mikhail: So that's why, in general, you started doing literature, because you were just tired of cutting all that off?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Among other reasons, I decided to pursue literature because it was a cleaner job. Moreover, it was not connected with the need to be mobilized somewhere, to another battle, from which you would have to pull out the wounded and expose yourself to danger, either inhaling some gas, or getting hit by a cannonball in a certain place. How much longer could one endure this?!
Mikhail: Yes, very interesting! Honestly, I couldn't imagine that you were so influenced by this fear of being mobilized to the front as a doctor that you switched to literature.
Irina: People are probably a little tired. They are writing that they want to know about the novel "The Master and Margarita."
Mikhail: Yes, yes, yes. I've been wanting to move on...
Irina: They're worried.
Mikhail: I want to move on.
Irina: Yes, we'll move on now. Thank you all, dear friends! We will definitely talk about "The Master and Margarita" now. I hope he will tell us about it. Yes, he says: "If you have questions, I can answer them." Yes, we have questions, and we will definitely talk about "The Master and Margarita" now. We won't have any special broadcast about this novel, we'll do it now. We are waiting.
Mikhail: Then let's move on immediately, because this is Bulgakov's main work.
Irina: I want to say that I understand you, that we chew over some topics for a long time. I understand you, that we talk in detail about his life, and not all of you are interested in that. But we will definitely talk about the novel now and ask you to forgive us, the imperfect ones. I'm listening.
Mikhail: You know, there's still one question not about "The Master and Margarita," because it's very significant. We have such works as "The Twelve Chairs" and "The Little Golden Calf." Tell me, did you write those?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): No. The answer is no.
Mikhail: Okay, I won't ask anymore, because it was very similar to you.
Irina: He denies it, I don't know.
Mikhail: I see. Well, that's it.
1:38:58 Spirit of Bulgakov about meeting Elena Sergeevna.
Mikhail: Tell me, did your meeting with Elena Sergeevna happen as described in the meeting of the Master and Margarita: she was carrying flowers, you met on the street? Or not?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): No, not on the street. At mutual acquaintances' place. Yes, at acquaintances' at one of the evenings. You know that, so to speak, the creative intelligentsia likes to arrange various evenings of relaxation, to sit, read books, poetry, and so on? And there are many such evenings, they are called "apartment gatherings."
Mikhail: Yes.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Because they are held in apartments. And it was at one such apartment gathering that we met.
Mikhail: I see.
1:39:58 Spirit of Bulgakov about the purpose of writing the novel "The Master and Margarita".
Mikhail: But did you create the Master as an ideal of your Soul or mold an image that would be interesting to the reader?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I was not thinking about the reader, I was thinking about how to express the philosophical understanding of my whole life, including in connection with the ideas of Christ.
(Irina) Yes, I understand him: he was not thinking about the reader specifically, he was writing, as it were, for himself.
Mikhail: That's right, that's how it should be.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Thank you!
Mikhail: As your hero would say, "That's how it should be. Never ask for anything. They will come themselves and give everything."
1:40:52 Spirit of Bulgakov about the image of Margarita in the novel.
Mikhail: And how similar is Margarita to Elena Sergeevna? The parallel is obvious. She also came from a rich husband.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Externally, you mean?
Mikhail: Both externally and internally.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I think she is similar, but I also believe that in Margarita there is not only the image of Elena, there is a combination of all three of my women, like the combination of the hypostases of God in the Trinity.
Mikhail: But the Master said to Aloisy Mogarych, "Before this I lived with Mashenka or with Verochka." He spoke about his ex-wife very disparagingly.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): And what is disparaging about that? "Once I lived with Mashenka and Verochka."
Mikhail: He doesn't even remember who was flickering there, behind. The only true love was Margarita. The true wife.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Here it was emphasized that when a new feeling appears, so to speak, images and names associated with previous feelings can be erased from memory. This happens, in fact, quite often. Memory is selective, and there is no disparagement in this, it is merely an emphasis on the strength of the feeling.
Mikhail: How you turn things around.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Why? It seems to me that it is you who is doing that.
Mikhail: I personally perceive it this way: a flash before me – and compared to it, all others faded, and I no longer remember what was there.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes. That is absolutely natural. What disparagement can there be from having seen the sun among other stars that simply dimmed before its light?
Mikhail: Yes.
(Irina laughs)
1:43:11 Spirit of Bulgakov about the transformation of heroes at the end of the novel.
Mikhail: And do you remember the moment when all the heroes fly together?... Natasha flies on a boar. Oh, not Natasha, Natasha flew later. It was when they flew to Satan's Ball, and everyone was transformed. [Actually refers to the final scene of the novel, when Woland's retinue flies out of Moscow and transforms along the way to the Spiritual world, each hero acquiring his inherent true image].
What was that transformation? Was it the revelation of the spiritual essence of each of them? For example, the knight who made a bad joke.
Irina: What was the image of transformation, yes?
Mikhail: Yes.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes, it was their revelation. It was an image of the revelation of their true essence, which was hidden under masks.
Mikhail: That's what I thought.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes, correct.
1:44:05 Spirit of Bulgakov about the feelings of the Master who "only deserved peace".
Mikhail: And what did you mean when the Master says about himself that he did not deserve the Light, but only deserved peace? What did you mean?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I meant myself. At the time when I wrote these lines, I was very internally tired. Not disappointed, but tired of the oppression that came from not even the state, but some critics, other writers who, out of envy of me, started writing all sorts of nonsense about me.
Mikhail: You know, we felt that in the scene when Margarita trashes the apartment of the critic Latunsky.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I thought that scene was funny. I laughed when I wrote it.
Mikhail: It's pleasant to read, you know. That this person who tormented the Master, who wrote all that... It's very pleasant! We envy Margarita for doing that, and we respect her for it.
Irina: And we've already moved on to the novel, if you haven't noticed. Yes, we're listening.
Mikhail: Yes.
1:45:44 Spirit of Bulgakov about Satan in the novel "The Master and Margarita".
Mikhail: So, Satan's Ball.
Firstly, where did Satan come from? Because there is no Satan, there is no such equal to God, only negative hero. There is simply Light and the absence of Light.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): What does "equal" mean?
Mikhail: Pardon?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): What does "equal, like God" mean?
Mikhail: Let's say, only God can do everything. That is His Kingdom.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes.
Mikhail: And Satan has his own Kingdom. Can he also do everything?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): In his Kingdom – yes, he can do everything. But not in God's.
Mikhail: But his Kingdom is part of God's Kingdom.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): What does "is part" mean?
Mikhail: But everything is the Kingdom of God!
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): God gave the opportunity in His Kingdom to any of His children, any Spirit, to build a kingdom and fully establish their own laws there. That is freedom. God is maximal. He always gives everything to the end, He always gives Love to everyone to the very last drop, and He always gives the opportunity to drink freedom to the end, whatever it may be. That is the essence of God.
Mikhail: How can that be? After all, personal freedom should not violate the freedom of other little houses built by people.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): And it does not. Those whose freedom was violated chose that themselves – to subordinate their free will to another.
Mikhail: Well, yes. Yes, yes.
1:47:49 Spirit of Bulgakov about the image of the cat Behemoth.
Mikhail: And what does the cat Behemoth symbolize?
Irina: He's showing me some kind of dog. Who is that?
Mikhail: Just a jester?
Irina: He's showing me a dog.
Mikhail: The cat symbolizes a dog?
Irina: Yes, good. Shows that his dog was named that.
Mikhail: Ah.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): It was a dog. The question, of course, remains why I named him that. I studied books in libraries related to medieval mysticism: demonology, magic, alchemy, all sorts of mystical wonders. By the way, in Soviet libraries these books were quite accessible (shows how he comes to the library, and these books were considered historical there). That is, just as they took and read the Myths of Ancient Greece, so they took and read these medieval treatises. They were in certain sections, they weren't given out for home, not sold, but it was accessible in reading rooms. And there you could make notes.
And I would come... Have you ever been to a library reading room?
Mikhail: Yes.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Usually they give out books that are not lent out, that happens. And there I wrote out these names.
In general, Behemoth was the name of a cat, it was clear that it was the name of an animal. Why exactly that name? It was a symbol, Behemoth was a symbol of Leviathan.
Mikhail: So.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Do you know who that is?
Mikhail: It's something from the Bible. I don't know specifically.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): It's a sea monster, which in some sources is translated as "behemoth."
Mikhail: You needed to somehow soften the atmosphere with this cat, right? How did it come about? After all, it's a strange creature – a cat, and a huge cat, who pays for himself on the tram.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Soften? Not so much soften, but rather induce some relaxation, so that the novel would not turn out so gloomy, to have some humor.
Mikhail: And you succeeded very well in that. By the way, that you read mystical literature in the library was reflected in the fact that Woland came as the world's only specialist in black magic, because manuscripts of a sorcerer were found in local libraries, I don't remember which one.
Irina: Yes, he shows me that indeed these manuscripts were in the libraries, by the way, translated into Russian from Latin, and, by the way, even with a review from a doctor of historical sciences.
Mikhail: Very interesting!
Irina: As a scholar.
Mikhail: Very interesting.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): But all this was presented not as truth, but simply as history – as if this was the history of the Middle Ages, look what people believed in. That is, some even laughed at it.
Mikhail: Yes.
1:51:59 Spirit of Bulgakov about the image of Baron Mengel in the novel and about catchphrases.
Mikhail: And the image of Baron Mengel – where did it come from? Did you have any acquaintances like that?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): He was just a composite – not from different acquaintances, but from different works, from books. That is, it was such a composite image.
Mikhail: And when I was preparing for the broadcast, I read that Lyubov Evgenievna once told how she needed to make a phone call, and you told her, "You are bothering me very much, it's very hard to write." She answered, "But you're not Dostoevsky!" And this phrase is in your novel. When Behemoth and Azazello came to the Writers' House, they said, "What if I am Dostoevsky, and I don't have an ID?!" And the secretary looked at them uncertainly and said, "You are not Dostoevsky." Is that from that? Did that happen?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Well, yes, I took some phrases simply from conversations with loved ones, so to speak.
Mikhail: Maybe, Ira, you can look at the questions in the chat, because I'm asking what interests me.
Irina: You don't have a chat? I'll look now.
Mikhail: You choose yourself, because I can choose what interests me, but you are impartial.
Irina: What am I going to choose?
Mikhail: What interests you, at least.
Irina: I'll read everything in a row now.
Mikhail: Good.
Irina: So. "Q&A." Here it is.
Mikhail: No, I have the "Q&A" chat. I can ask questions from there.
Irina: From where else? Ah, from there?
Mikhail: Yes, from the YouTube chat.
1:54:18 Spirit of Bulgakov about the images of the poet Bezdomny, Azazello, and others in the novel.
Irina: (reads from chat) "Who was the image of Bezdomny based on?"
He shows that it is also a composite image of such poets who wrote for the Soviet government, so to speak.
(Mikhail Bulgakov) I heard from those who communicated with me already in the Spiritual World (by the way, those who read my novel came to me and asked me about it), and I heard the opinion that I portrayed Mayakovsky under the guise of the poet Bezdomny. No, specifically him – no. It was simply a composite image. That is, I heard about this opinion, but I did not mean him specifically.
(Irina) "Where did the name Azazello come from?"
(Mikhail Bulgakov) Good question. That was also an ancient name of one of the demons. It is a medieval image that goes back to Hebrew. That is, it is written (shows) in the Bible, in the Kabbalah, at least definitely, and I took it from there, from these books about the Middle Ages.
Mikhail: And in your novel, there are many surnames taken from composers, for example, Stravinsky, Berlioz.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes.
Mikhail: Why is that?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I loved listening to music. I loved listening to music, and naturally, when you write a work, you invent names and surnames of the characters to bring the novel to life. You need to write it in such a way (shows) to imagine, at least all the more or less main, not secondary characters. And those who frequently act on the pages of the novel, in its plot, you have to describe, let's say, separately – in such a little notebook: describe appearance, name, surname, clothes, habits. As if bringing them to life.
1:56:58 Spirit of Bulgakov about the writer creating images in the Astral.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): By the way, when an author, a writer thinks about this, he actually creates, as you say now, in the Astral, and we said "in the Spiritual world," a phantom of this person. He literally fills this phantom with power, lives with it, walks with it. He can even see it. I, for example, saw my characters. That is, he really creates a phantom.
Mikhail: Yes.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): And I saw them all – both the Master and Woland. I saw, for example (shows), when I looked out the window, that Woland was standing, leaning on his cane, and looking in the window. It wasn't that there was contact, it was a character created by me who acquired reality for me.
Mikhail: Your characters lived an independent life already.
1:57:57 Spirit of Bulgakov about the phrase "manuscripts don't burn".
Mikhail: Where did the phrase "manuscripts don't burn" come from?
Irina: He tells me, for some reason, that it's from Gogol.
Mikhail: And I thought that when you burned the first manuscript of the novel "The Master and Margarita," then Elena Sergeevna told you, "But how will you write? You have the manuscript in Moscow." You answered, "I remember everything." I think that's what it was.
Irina: He shows that Gogol also burned his work.
Mikhail: Yes.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): And by the way, he...
Mikhail: He burned the second volume of "Dead Souls."
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I said these words – "manuscripts don't burn" – because I remembered Gogol, and I meant that despite the fact that he burned the manuscript, his fame still remained.
Mikhail: I see.
1:59:19 Spirit of Bulgakov about his best work.
Mikhail: And which work do you consider your best? If, of course, not counting the novel.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): The best?
Mikhail: I think that, after all, you probably consider your novel the best?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I didn't divide them like that. For me, each of my works, even just small stories in newspapers, were filled with my Spirit, and I did not say that one was better, another worse. In any case, it was my work, which reflected my beliefs and worldview. But a successful one – one that, as it were, connected with people, was, of course...
(Irina) "Days of some Turbins," I don't know what that is.
Mikhail: "Days of the Turbins" is a play that Stalin watched 15 times. From 15 to 17 times.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes, I consider that this, as you say, resonated with the people. And "The White Guard" on the same theme (shows), about the revolution, was also a very famous work. I also considered "The Run" successful, but it also began to be banned, because it was considered anti-Soviet, as with "Heart of a Dog." Although there again there were simply revolutionary things (about the revolution), but it seemed to me even that the image of the White Guards there is not as attractive as in, say, the play "Days of the Turbins." But the censorship decided otherwise.
Mikhail: Okay, let's get back to the novel.
Irina: (answers a question from the chat) Who he was during the time of Christ and who he contacted – that was already in this broadcast, you need to watch the beginning.
Mikhail: Let's read questions from the chat about the novel, Irochka.
Irina: About the novel... (reads chat) So, about drugs, so, who he contacted...
"In the last chapter, the cat Behemoth turns into a little page boy. What did he do? Why did he become a demon? And others from Woland's retinue."
(Mikhail Bulgakov) I will answer this question. The fact is that the cat was merely his image, his mask, but this demon was his true image. That is, this demon came under the guise of a cat.
(Irina) So, what to ask about Jesus in the novel?
"Fatal Eggs" – yes, also interesting, they write. And what about "Fatal Eggs"? Okay.
Mikhail: Well, okay, I'll ask for now.
2:02:54 Spirit of Bulgakov about the play "Days of the Turbins".
Mikhail: Why do you think Comrade Stalin liked the play "Days of the Turbins" so much that he went to see it countless times?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I think because he saw the truth of life there. That I depicted the truth about the revolution, about people's choice of one government or another.
Mikhail: But why watch the truth 17 times?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Because it is close to the heart.
Mikhail: He just liked it, yes? Actually, yes, if he liked something, he watched it many times. For example, he also watched the film "Volga-Volga" many times.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes, he watched it, he liked it.
(Irina) "What is the main meaning of the novel, what is the message?" they ask.
2:03:44 Spirit of Bulgakov about the meaning of the novel "The Master and Margarita".
Irina: What is the main meaning of the novel "The Master and Margarita", what is the message?
(Mikhail Bulgakov) Thank you for the question. The message is that, as I already said, my idea of God and Satan was reflected there. I wanted to depict the life of the Master, who was a writer, in the context of his relationship with God and Satan. And my main message, the main meaning of the novel, was that sometimes Satan serves God more actively than people.
You all know that, according to Christian teaching, a sinner goes to hell, where Satan torments him for his sins. But if Satan punishes a person for sins, he performs a cleansing function. He performs the function of rejecting sin, because he punishes for it. He does not encourage sins in hell, does not reward people there. In Christianity, it is written everywhere that sinners are fried in a frying pan by Satan and his retinue. It is not written there that Satan praises sinners. That means he is on God's side.
Have you noticed that the expression "God's wrath" is often found in the Bible? That is, the energy of God that punishes people for sins is a reaction to human sins. And I believe that this novel is about Satan being the personification of God's wrath.
Mikhail: Absolutely. But there is also a very strong line, of course, that you showed your ideal – sitting with your beloved woman in a basement, writing a novel about Pontius Pilate. That's your ideal, isn't it?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): At that moment – yes. I wanted to be next to my beloved woman, write a novel about Pontius Pilate, and write it in such a way that it would be published, that it would not be considered anti-Soviet, and that I would not be branded an "enemy of the people." I never was one.
Mikhail: Yes, now I see that you were not an enemy of the people, that you actually served the Soviet government.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I served, rather, not the government, but simply the people.
Mikhail: The people?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes.
Mikhail: But the government also serves the people.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes.
Mikhail: In any case.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): It's just that often it turns out that the people serve the government. Everything is relative.
Mikhail: Again, who serves whom?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): It's like God and Satan.
Mikhail: Yes, I completely agree.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Who serves whom? Does Satan serve God? In some ways he does, because he punishes sinners, meaning he performs God's function of rejection of sin. Then the question arises: what is this? Isn't it the other side of God himself, who on one hand is Love, accepting any person, and on the other hand is all-consuming Wrath.
(Irina) Shows that he has such a somewhat dualistic idea of God.
2:08:41 Spirit of Bulgakov about Woland in his novel.
Mikhail: But Woland, in fact, in your novel does not punish anyone or mock anyone for no reason.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes.
Mikhail: He always punishes for something: he punishes the housing committee chairman for being greedy, the variety theatre director for being a loafer, for driving his car in vain, Varenukha – for lying and being rude on the phone.
Irina: Yes, shows Berlioz, whose head was cut off.
Mikhail: Yes. That is also...
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): For not believing in Christ. He does not so much punish as show him what will happen to him, and that was proof for his Soul that God exists. They were atheists, he and Bezdomny. And for Bezdomny, it was proof that the Spiritual World exists. You see, Berlioz also died and died quite cruelly in that his head was cut off. It was an image of execution for blasphemy against Christ, which he had uttered before, saying that it was a fabrication.
Mikhail: But with the poet Ivan Bezdomny, you dealt, I would say, very gently. Because he spent a little time in a mental hospital, met with Dr. Stravinsky (and Woland knew this in advance!). And then he stopped writing his little poems, which he himself admitted were really bad.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): That's how I showed the rebirth of his Soul.
Mikhail: Yes, yes, yes, very good, I liked it very much.
2:11:13 Spirit of Bulgakov about readers' reactions to the novel "The Master and Margarita".
Mikhail: You know, there are many storylines, and they are all somehow, I don't know, the novel is very pleasant to read. You read it with pleasure and are very sorry when it ends. I, you know, bought your novel in eighty-three, after I had already read it, and I paid half my salary for it.
Irina: Wow!
Mikhail: Yes. And I had already read it and just wanted to own the book. I wanted to reread it again and again.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Thank you!
Mikhail: Yes. And what is so pleasant about it, how did you make it so that it is pleasant to read, and instructive, and interesting? I can't understand. There is no other novel like it.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): How did it happen? I say again, each person perceives each book, each work through their own prism. That means the feelings and images described there seemed close to you. Perhaps you went through the same path of spiritual formation as the main character.
Mikhail: Perhaps, yes. But there are so many characters, of course.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I know people who criticized this novel after I left the incarnation. From your world, when the novel was printed and began to be published, I felt energies that were energies of dissatisfaction, energies of criticism and misunderstanding. In other words, there are people who did not like it. Here we need to understand that all people are different, and some will like one thing, others another. That's normal, because everyone has different experiences.
Mikhail: That just emphasizes the genius, because there aren't many opinions about mediocrity, but on genius things there is usually a great split.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): That's what I'm saying, that any work is in any case perceived through the prism of the mind of the reader.
Mikhail: Yes.
2:13:45 Spirit of Bulgakov about plans for the next incarnation.
Mikhail: What are your further plans for incarnation or stay? You have been in the Spiritual World for quite some time now.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): I plan to incarnate somewhere, perhaps in about twenty Earth years, when your noosphere calms down a bit.
Mikhail: And you want to be on Earth, yes?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes, I want to incarnate on Earth, in another country. I would be interested in the East, but not China, but, for example, India, Japan, Vietnam, Korea. These more Buddhist countries.
2:14:33 About the goals of the incarnation into Mikhail Bulgakov.
Mikhail: By the way, what was the purpose of your incarnation when you incarnated as Bulgakov?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): To find faith in God, or rather, to regain faith in God, trust in Him, and develop mercy. That was my main goal. Secondary ones were precisely to follow the path of creativity, the path of helping others, so one part of my life was occupied by medicine, and another part by writing. Although when I was already a doctor, and even when I was very tired from seeing people, I still wrote a kind of diary (shows a diary). I even wanted to publish it, because it was a diary without any medical terms, but a literary work.
That is, I wanted to immortalize my feelings, thoughts, experiences on paper, to set an example for the younger generation, for those doctors who, like me, immediately after medical school would find themselves in the wilderness, find themselves in a position where a huge responsibility for people's lives and health is placed on them with limited means. That is, we didn't have many medicines there. We had some, but very few, and there was a huge amount of work. People brought us all sorts: children, the mentally ill, alcoholics, people with appendicitis, people with various injuries, and so on.
Mikhail: And how? Did you achieve the goal of your incarnation?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes, I went from level 9 to level 15.
Mikhail: Was that roughly what you planned?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes.
Mikhail: Then, of course...
2:17:00 Spirit of Bulgakov about the reason for leaving the incarnation.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): However, I planned to live longer. I planned to live 62 years, but lived less. I lived less than 50 years because my Higher Self, my unincarnated part, saw in the Time Line of the future that the Great Patriotic War would begin in the USSR, and looked at the probability of how I would behave. I could greatly lower my vibration because of this war and slide from level 15 to level 5. Because there was a probability that I, as a former, but still a medic, a person with a medical education, would be mobilized again and sent to the front as a doctor, especially having experience in military surgery. There I could greatly lower my vibrations due to hatred of the enemies and of the situation that had arisen because of them. Therefore, I was taken out of the incarnation, simply by withdrawing energy from my kidneys.
Mikhail: And your eyesight also disappeared.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): That was for a slightly different reason, but I left the incarnation specifically because of my kidneys.
Mikhail: Was your death painful or easy?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Well, what do you mean painful? I was sick, of course. There were headaches, high blood pressure, vomiting (shows dizziness). Yes, it wasn't a very pleasant state, but I left without great agony. When I was leaving, I was suffocating, I lacked air, breath. There was a little fear, I thought I was dying and that I would now appear before God (shows that he believed his Soul was immortal). I thought, "How will it be there? Will it be all as written in the Bible or differently?"
2:19:30 Spirit of Bulgakov about the transition to the Spiritual World.
Mikhail: And how was it?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): There was such a (shows) not even fear, but excitement. I already wanted to get rid of this suffering, and at the same time it was exciting to take a step into an unfamiliar world. It was a slight fear of the unknown. It wasn't strong, but it was.
And when I lost consciousness (shows how he suffocated), then my ears started ringing, the light dimmed...
(Irina) He shows what you mentioned, that he was "blind." Yes, good, I understand, I understand you. He saw not people, but blurry images. That is, it wasn't complete blindness, but some blurry faces.
(Mikhail Bulgakov) I, at least, distinguished light from darkness (shows). And so the light dimmed, I fell into a kind of unconsciousness, as if I had fallen into a black pit.
I don't know how long I was in that state. I didn't remember myself, didn't feel myself. And suddenly I saw a white sphere beneath me, and it began to enlarge until it filled all space, and I found myself in a white light. I began to look around, but I saw neither earth nor sky, just a white space. And I didn't see my body (shows how he looks at his hands and sees nothing, just emptiness). Yes, but I felt them.
And suddenly two men appeared before me, dressed in white robes, and they had small wings. I thought, "Oh, these are Angels."
(Irina) Shows that he guessed they were Angels, greeted them and asked, "I never thought that Angels actually have wings. I thought it was a myth, because wings are needed for flying through the air, but there is no air here. So wings aren't needed." They laughed, and their wings disappeared. They said, "We are taking on an image understandable to people, but as for us, we really don't need them. Congratulations, our brother, on your transition to the Spiritual World! You are home. Calm down. You need not be afraid."
(Mikhail Bulgakov) And with these words, they sent me a kind of impulse (shows), light, and I immediately felt so good, so calm. They seemed to give me an injection of a sedative.
And they took me by the arms – one on one side, the other on the other – and together with me began to ascend, as it seemed to me, into an even whiter, brighter space. We moved and found ourselves in an empty green field. They left me there and said, "This is your space. We created a green field for you here, and then you yourself think about what you want to make of it. You can invent a house." That is, they began to explain how to do it, to imagine it mentally.
And then I built myself a house mentally, thought about it, got used to the fact that I no longer needed food, water, relationships with women, and so on. That is, I weaned myself from the physical body, and then united with my unincarnated part, with my Spirit, remembered my incarnations and was able to line them up into one continuous life line. Like frames in a movie (shows). In fact, it was then that I began to analyze my incarnation.
Mikhail: Very interesting!
2:24:38 Spirit of Bulgakov about life in the Spiritual World.
Mikhail: And how do you live there? I don't understand: there is no day, no night, no food, nothing.
Irina: He already said that he lives in a house with columns. Are there any new questions?
Mikhail: Yes.
Irina: Ask.
Mikhail: I'm saying: no day, no night.
Irina: So what?
Mikhail: How does everything go on?
Irina: I don't understand, even I don't understand the question. Clarify, please, what do you mean "how do you live"? He will ask you now, "And how do you live?"
Mikhail: Don't you ever get tired there?
Irina: No, he doesn't get tired. There is no sleep, no day or night, no time in the sense of the alternation of day and night, and no clocks.
Mikhail: Okay. Then, I think, maybe you want to say something that we haven't asked you? Something from yourself.
2:25:35 Spirit of Bulgakov about his understanding of the Bible.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): Yes, I wanted to say. I was asked here about Jesus, about the dialogue with Pilate, about the death of Judas, that he was stabbed there, and so on. I was asked here why this contradicts the Bible. Yes, I was also asked this question already in the Spiritual World by those Spirits who came to me, with whom I met. I will answer.
It was my reading of the Bible, my idea of Jesus, Yeshua, my personal impressions. I wrote not even about reality, but rather about my idea of this reality. Do you understand? How it could have been, as it was not described in the canonical texts.
Yes, the canonical sacred texts of any religion – they are always beautiful, they are always full of, let's say, pathos. They are always solemn. Even the suffering on the cross seems romantically beautiful, but in fact it was not like that. It was much more terrible, much more cruel, it was real pain, it was real blood, and so on.
I depicted Yeshua as, let's say, a simple man, not God, who found himself in very cruel circumstances. And when he addresses everyone as "good man," I wanted to depict his pure heart, in which, despite all the persecution and oppression he endured, he did not grow hatred, revenge, did not stoop to the level of those people who persecute him. Therefore, he called everyone good people, even those executioners who tortured him. He also addressed Pontius Pilate, who judged him, as "good man."
And even Pontius Pilate said there, "What did you call me?" He says, "Good man." – "I am good?" And he asked, "And is this man also good?" – and pointed to one of the soldiers who fought, who executed criminals and prisoners of war. "Yes," said Yeshua, "he is also good, but he doesn't know it." That is, I emphasized that Jesus sees Light everywhere, even in darkness, even in the devil He is capable of seeing God. Do you understand what I mean?
Mikhail: Yes.
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): That's what I wrote about. Yes, it contradicts the biblical text, the church's understanding. I wanted to depict my perception of all these personalities. I'm not saying that this has anything to do with reality. That is my idea.
(Irina) Regarding contact. Yes, he was a contactee. He answers this question again. He was a contactee with the Spiritual World. His curators were writers – Gogol, Pushkin, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy. He shows that writers, or rather, the Spirits of writers, came to him.
2:30:27 Spirit of Bulgakov about the name Ha-Nozri.
Mikhail: Where did the name Ha-Nozri come from?
Irina (Mikhail Bulgakov): It's a word in Aramaic.
Mikhail: Such a thing existed, yes?
Irina: It existed. Where did you get it – Ha-Nozri? Yes, I understood.
Shows that he is reading some text in the library, some apocrypha about Jesus, and there in Hebrew (there was such an Aramaic, let's say, a subset of Hebrew) it was written like that word. One could say that it is like the name of a city, something like that, some town Ha-Nozri, and He was, as it were, from that city.
Mikhail: And did you read it in Aramaic or in translation?
Irina: No, it was a translation.
Mikhail: It was a translation, I see.
2:31:28 Spirit of Bulgakov's parting words.
Irina: So, parting words. We ask for parting words.
(Mikhail Bulgakov) So, dear friends, I thank you for this broadcast! I was very interested in answering these questions through Irina. I thank Irina, who conducted this session, very accurately conveyed my thought-forms. I thank Mikhail for his interesting questions, for his Love for me, I feel it. I thank you, dear friends, for your Love for me, for your interest in this session, for your Love for my books. And I ask you: be human, no matter what, despite the circumstances that awaken in you a bestial, cruel, animal essence. Remain human – that is the most important thing.
Because the meaning of your entire life is to increase the amount of humanity in yourself compared to the animal nature. To do this, I recommend, I advise you to read literature. Of course, not only my books, but good classical literature in general. It greatly contributes to the development of the Soul, the development of feelings, emotions, thoughts, and not only broadens the horizon, but also educates the heart. I thank you for your bright feelings towards me and send you the Light of my Love!
(Irina) Yes, thank you!
So, I also thank one Mikhail, the other Mikhail. Here I am between two Mikhails, I should probably make a wish now.
I thank my Higher Self for helping with this contact. I thank all of you, dear friends, for asking questions, for your patience, for your criticism, of course. I thank and love you! I hope for further meetings on equally interesting broadcasts. Until next time! Bye.
Mikhail: Thank you very much, Ira, thank you very much, Mikhail Afanasyevich!
Irina: Thank you!
Mikhail: Thank you, dear viewers, for supporting us with your presence, with your thoughts! Goodbye!
Irina: Yes. Thank you!
May 19, 2024
Conference participants:
Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, fine-material civilizations, and the Spiritual World;
Mikhail Osipov – host of live broadcasts on the "Cassiopoeia TV" channel;
Spirit of Mikhail Bulgakov – Russian writer of the Soviet period, doctor, playwright.
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