Appendix to the Essay "The Phantom of the First-Called"
Apostle Andrew Among Slavic and Caucasian Peoples: Session Testimony and Historical Sources in Comparative Perspective
Preliminary Note
This appendix compares specific statements of the spirit of Andrew, recorded in the transcript of the session of November 27, 2022, with historical, chronicle, hagiographic, and archaeological sources concerning the apostle's mission in the territories inhabited by the ancestors of Slavic and Caucasian peoples. Method—comparative hermeneutics: we neither verify nor refute but look for points of coincidence, divergence, and mutual complementarity.
Section I. Geographical Route: What the Spirit Says
The key geographical testimony of the session is concentrated in one fragment, which must be quoted in full as it is the starting point for all further analysis.
The spirit of Andrew says: "I walked along the shores of the Black Sea, around it, then sailed in a large wooden boat up a river that goes from the Black Sea to the north, and then along rivers, through forests... I went to different peoples, there were many, dozens of them. I went into the mountains."
This brief description contains a topographical program that can be identified with sufficient geographical accuracy.
"The shores of the Black Sea, around"—a circular tour of the Black Sea coast. This covers: the northern coast (modern Ukraine and Russia—Crimea, Taman, Anapa), the eastern coast (modern Abkhazia, Georgia—Colchis), the southern coast (modern Turkey—Pontus), the western coast (modern Bulgaria and Romania—ancient Thrace and Moesia).
"A river that goes from the Black Sea to the north"—a description of a river flowing into the Black Sea and heading north unambiguously points to the Dnieper. There are no other large rivers flowing from the Black Sea coast strictly north into the continent's interior. The Danube goes west. The Dniester goes northwest. It is the Dnieper that forms a corridor leading from the Black Sea coast into the depths of the Eastern European forests.
"Further along rivers, through forests"—this describes the part of the route leading beyond the ancient world into the zone the Greeks and Romans called Hyperborea or Scythia—terra incognita, inhabited by numerous tribes.
"Mountains"—in the context of the Black Sea route, this unambiguously means the Caucasus: the only mountain range directly adjacent to the Black Sea coast.
Section II. Historical Sources on Andrew's Mission in the Black Sea Region
2.1. Origen and Eusebius: The First Written Testimony
The first mention of Andrew's mission in the Black Sea region belongs to Origen of Alexandria (185–254 AD), preserved in the transmission of Eusebius of Caesarea in his "Church History" (III, 1):
"Thomas, as tradition relates, received Parthia as his lot, Andrew received Scythia, John received Asia."
The word "Scythia" in ancient geography denoted a vast territory north of the Black Sea—approximately from the Danube to the Don and beyond. This precisely corresponds to what the spirit describes as "the shores of the Black Sea" and "up the river to the north." Origen wrote this approximately 150–180 years after Andrew's death, drawing on earlier sources that have not come down to us.
This testimony is fundamentally important: it is independent of the session and confirms not the details, but the very geographical zone of the mission.
2.2. "Acts of Andrew": The Apocryphal Route
The apocryphal "Acts of Andrew" (Acta Andreae), dating from the 2nd–3rd centuries and condemned by Pope Innocent I in 405 as heretical, contains a description of the apostle's route. Surviving fragments mention:
— the city of Amasea (Pontus, southern Black Sea coast)
— the city of Sinope (Pontus)
— Nicaea (Asia Minor)
— Nicomedia (Asia Minor)
— Byzantium (future Constantinople)
— Thrace
— Macedonia
— Achaia (where martyrdom occurred in Patras)
Fragments related to the northern route—into the depths of Scythia—are either lost in the texts that have reached us or were deliberately removed during editing by Gregory of Tours (6th century). This correlates well with what the spirit says in the session: it was precisely the descriptions of alien contacts and non-standard geographical journeys that could have constituted the part of the text that Gregory characterized as "much that was superfluous" and removed.
2.3. "The Tale of Bygone Years": Chronicle Testimony
The Rus' "Primary Chronicle" or "Tale of Bygone Years" (early 12th century, attributed to Nestor the Chronicler) contains the famous account of Andrew's visit to the territory of future Rus'. The chronicle text states:
"When Andrew was teaching in Sinope and arrived in Korsun (Chersonesus), he learned that the mouth of the Dnieper was near Korsun, and he wanted to go to Rome, and he sailed into the mouth of the Dnieper, and from there he went up the Dnieper. And it happened that he came and stood under the hills on the shore. And in the morning he arose and said to the disciples who were with him: 'Do you see these hills? On these hills the grace of God will shine forth, a great city will be here, and God will raise up many churches.' And he ascended these hills, blessed them, and set up a cross, and prayed to God, and came down from this hill, where Kyiv later arose."
The comparison with the session here is strikingly precise. The spirit says: "I came to the ruler of some settlement, city, or region... And Jesus came and said: this place where you are standing now—it is a very energetically saturated place, and people will live here. And I even asked Him: 'And will these people be Christians?' At that time there was no Christianity there. And I received the answer: 'Yes, there is such a probability, a very high one, that they will be Christians.' And I picked up a stick there and tied a second one with some rope into a cross, and set it up."
The structural coincidence between the chronicle testimony and the session here is literal:
The chronicle was written a thousand years after the event. The session took place almost two thousand years later. Yet the coincidence is not literal (which would suspiciously indicate borrowing) but structural—the gesture, intention, prophecy coincide, and most importantly: the improvised cross from available materials, a detail absent in any canonical text, but present in both the chronicle and the session.
Section III. The Caucasian Route
3.1. "Mountains" in the Session and Their Identification
The spirit mentions mountains as part of the route. In the context of the Black Sea circuit, this unambiguously means the Caucasus. Irina's description of the visual image complements the geography: "shows a map... sailed in a large wooden boat up a river... went into the mountains." This describes two different vectors from the Black Sea: the northern (Dnieper) and the eastern (Caucasian coast).
3.2. Georgian Sources: Andrew in Colchis
Georgian Orthodox tradition attributes the first Christian preaching on its territory precisely to the Apostle Andrew. According to Georgian church traditions, recorded in medieval chronicles ("Kartlis Tskhovreba" — "Life of Kartli"), Andrew preached in Colchis—western Georgia, the coast of present-day Adjara and Abkhazia.
According to these sources, Andrew:
— arrived by sea in Trebizond (Trabzon)
— proceeded along the eastern Black Sea coast
— preached in Adjara (Batumi)
— went up into the mountains to the local tribes
— founded the first Christian community on the territory of modern Georgia
The Georgian Church considers Andrew the First-Called its first apostle. This is not a later legend: Evagrius Scholasticus (6th century) and other early Christian authors mention the antiquity of Christianity in Colchis.
3.3. Abkhazian Traditions
In the territory of modern Abkhazia, there is a persistent tradition linking the Apostle Andrew with local Christianity. In Pitsunda (ancient Pitiunt)—a city on the Black Sea coast of Abkhazia—according to tradition, Andrew founded one of the first Christian communities in the region. The Pitiunt diocese is mentioned as one of the oldest in the list of Christian sees: its bishop was already present at the Council of Nicaea in 325.
This is historically significant: if in 325 Pitiunt already had a bishop with sufficient authority to participate in an Ecumenical Council, then the Christian tradition in this place must date back at least to the 1st–2nd centuries—which aligns well with apostolic times.
3.4. Armenia: Crossing Routes
The Armenian Apostolic Church traditionally associates its founding with the apostles Thaddeus and Bartholomew, not Andrew. However, Armenian sources mention Andrew's preaching in adjacent regions. Movses Khorenatsi—the "father of Armenian historiography" (5th century)—in his "History of Armenia," mentions Christian activity in the region dating back to apostolic times, in an area bordering Andrew's routes.
The mountainous nature of the Armenian and Caucasian landscape corresponds to the mention of "mountains" in the session. The spirit mentions this in the context of coming to an "aul" (a mountain village)—a word used by the session organizer—and describes a standard procedure: coming to the leader, offering healing, preaching after healing. This model ideally describes working with mountain tribes, organized around leaders and lacking a written religious tradition.
Section IV. Mission Method Among "Barbarian" Peoples: Detailed Analysis
4.1. Description of the Method in the Session
The spirit of Andrew gives a detailed description of his missionary methodology, which deserves careful analysis, as it is not only historically plausible but also reveals the psychology of cross-cultural communication in the 1st century.
"When I came to a settlement, I would greet them and ask to be taken to the ruler of that settlement, to the leader. I would go to him and say: 'Peace to this house!', that is, already in their language. I would activate the ability to speak his language by my desire."
First contact—a greeting in the leader's native language. This is not just politeness: it is a demonstration of a supernatural ability that would instantly create authority. For a leader of a mountain tribe, who had never seen a foreigner speaking his language without prior learning, this must have been an overwhelming experience.
"When he asked: 'Why do I need this?', I would offer to pray for the health of, for example, someone from the ruler's family."
The second step—offering practical help. Not abstract preaching, but a concrete action: healing a sick relative. The spirit adds an important caveat: "This didn't always happen, only when the person themselves believed in God and was pure enough." This is a fundamentally honest admission: the miracle was not automatic; it depended on the spiritual state of the person being healed.
"But when I succeeded, the rulers were amazed, they called me a 'healer,' a 'miracle-worker,' and allowed me to give a sermon."
The third step—after demonstrating practical power, the sermon followed. The logic is impeccable: first trust through action, then the word.
4.2. Historical Confirmation of the Method
This three-step methodology—linguistic miracle, healing, preaching—is not an invention of the session. It is reproduced in the descriptions of apostolic activity in the Acts of the Apostles, although there it is applied primarily to Paul and Peter. The Apostle Peter heals a lame man at the Temple gate—and this opens the opportunity for preaching (Acts 3:1–10). Paul in Lystra heals a man lame from birth—and the crowd cries that gods have come down from heaven (Acts 14:8–13).
For the context of the Caucasian mountain and Black Sea tribes, who had no concept of a single God, this methodology was the only possible one: you cannot start with abstract monotheistic theology; you must start with a demonstration of power in a language understandable to that specific culture.
4.3. Five Companion Disciples
The spirit mentions a detail easy to overlook: "I wasn't alone—shows five people who accompanied him. One was even older than him, for some reason, and the rest were about his age. They were also Christians."
Five companions, one older than Andrew himself—this is a description of a typical apostolic team, not a lone wanderer. This is historically important: we tend to imagine apostles as solitary preachers, whereas in reality they traveled in groups. Paul always had companions (Barnabas, Silas, Timothy, Luke). It is logical to assume other apostles acted similarly.
For mountain and steppe routes, involving real physical danger, a group of six people is the minimum necessary detachment. Such journeys would have been suicidal alone.
Section V. Biochip and Polyglossia in the Context of Caucasian and Slavic Multilingualism
5.1. The Linguistic Challenge
If we assess the linguistic challenge facing Andrew on his route around the Black Sea, it appears colossal. Let us list the languages he would have encountered just in the space from Sinope to Patras via Scythia:
On the Black Sea coast: Greek (language of the colonies), Latin (administrative), Pontic Greek (dialect), Colchian (ancestor of Mingrelian and Chan), Kartvelian languages (ancestors of Georgian).
On the Caucasian coast: Adyghe languages (ancestors of Circassian), Abkhaz-Adyghe languages, various Nakh-Daghestani dialects of mountain tribes.
In Scythia (Black Sea region and Dnieper area): Scythian (Iranian group), Sarmatian (Iranian group), various Proto-Slavic dialects, Baltic dialects, Finno-Ugric tongues.
This is no less than ten to fifteen fundamentally different language families, with no mutual intelligibility between them. A man trained to speak Aramaic and some Greek physically could not have mastered even half of these languages during a single journey.
It is precisely here that the biochip hypothesis gains maximum explanatory power. The spirit says: "I would activate the ability to speak his language by my desire"—that is, the activation of linguistic ability was a conscious act of will, not an automatic function. This describes not knowing a language in the ordinary sense, but access to a neurolinguistic database, activated by intention.
5.2. Proto-Slavs of the Dnieper Region
The question of who exactly inhabited the Dnieper region in the 1st century AD is a subject of historical debate. According to modern archaeological and linguistic data, in the 1st century, Proto-Slavic cultures existed in the Dnieper basin—primarily the Zarubintsy and Chernyakhov cultures. These were agricultural and semi-nomadic tribes, without cities in the ancient sense, but with stable chieftain structures—precisely the type of society the spirit describes: coming to the leader of a settlement, asking permission to preach.
The description in the session "forest near the river, forest edge, a hill rises" is an accurate description of the typical landscape of the Middle Dnieper region, where the hilly banks of the Dnieper transition into forest-steppe. Nestor's Chronicle describes the same landscape, speaking of "hills" above the Dnieper on the site of future Kyiv—and in the mouth of the medieval chronicler, and in the mouth of the spirit, "hills/mountains" mean the same landscape of the hilly right bank of the Dnieper.
5.3. Why Did the Seed Germinate a Thousand Years Later?
If Andrew indeed sowed the first Christian seeds in the territory of future Rus' in the 1st century, then between this sowing and the official Baptism of Rus' in 988, almost a thousand years passed. How to explain such a time gap?
The spirit gives an indirect answer, speaking about the mechanism of his mission: he did not establish stable communities with a clear organization; he passed through territories, blessed places, set up crosses, transmitted an energetic impulse. This was not an institutional mission, but an energetic one—in the terminology of the session, or a charismatic one—in the terminology of religious studies.
This type of mission leaves not organizational, but cultural and, in the session's terms, energetic traces. Places marked by Andrew's crosses became sacred points—first in a pagan, then in a Christian understanding. When, several centuries later, Christianity began to move north from Constantinople, it found territories along its path with already prepared spiritual soil.
Section VI. Martyrdom and the Spread of the Cult
6.1. Patras as the Final Point
The spirit describes in detail the place and circumstances of his execution: the city of Patras in the territory of Achaia (modern Greece), a pagan ruler, the ruler's wife who converted to Christianity, execution by tying to the cross with ropes to prolong the agony as much as possible.
This aligns with the Greek Orthodox tradition, according to which Patras is the site of Andrew's martyrdom and the main center of his veneration. The Basilica of St. Andrew in Patras—one of the largest Orthodox churches in Greece—stands on the site tradition identifies as his place of execution.
6.2. The Fate of the Relics and Its Significance for Rus'
The spirit speaks of his relics: "I know they exist, and moreover, they are divided." This fully corresponds to historical reality. Andrew's relics were kept in Patras after his execution. In 357, under Emperor Constantius II, a significant portion of the relics was transferred to Constantinople and placed in the Church of the Holy Apostles—the main imperial church, the spiritual center of the Eastern Roman Empire.
This transfer of relics had colossal political and spiritual significance: Constantinople thereby declared itself the successor of the apostolic tradition of Andrew—who, according to tradition, founded the Church of Constantinople during his journey through Thrace. This was a response to Rome, appealing to the authority of Peter: Constantinople responded with the authority of Andrew—Peter's brother and, according to the session's version, his elder brother.
For Russia, this symbolism had direct political dimension. When the Moscow state began formulating the concept of "Moscow—the Third Rome" (15th-16th centuries), apostolic succession through Andrew became one of its key justifications: Andrew blessed the hills of Kyiv, Kyiv became the center of Rus' Christianity, Moscow—its heir.
Section VII. Synthesis: A New Map of Andrew's Mission
Based on comparing the session with historical sources, a reconstructed map of the Apostle Andrew's mission can be proposed, which is more complete than that which follows from historical sources alone.
First stage (main base route): Jerusalem → Antioch → Asia Minor coast → Sinope → Amasea → Trebizond. This is confirmed by the apocryphal "Acts of Andrew" and several early sources.
Second stage (Caucasian): Trebizond → eastern Black Sea coast → Colchis (Abkhazia, Adjara) → mountain tribes of the Caucasus. Confirmed by Georgian church sources and the Abkhazian tradition of Pitiunt.
Third stage (Scythian—the most poorly documented, but most important for the Russian tradition): mouth of the Dnieper → movement up the river → blessing of the hills of future Kyiv → further journey north "along rivers and through forests." Confirmed by the "Tale of Bygone Years" and indirectly by Origen's testimony about "Scythia."
Fourth stage (western): Return through Thrace → Macedonia → Achaia → Patras. Confirmed by numerous sources and the Greek hagiographic tradition.
The session adds to this map:
— details of the working method with each people
— the linguistic mechanism (biochip)
— description of the spiritual phenomenology of visiting key places—in particular, that Jesus Christ in a form of appearance personally pointed out sacredly significant places
— the psychological portrait of Andrew as a man who acted not alone but with a team of five disciples
Conclusion of the Appendix
The Apostle Andrew the First-Called occupies a unique place in the spiritual geography of the Eurasian space. He is the heavenly patron of Russia, Scotland, Greece, Romania, Ukraine, Georgia—that is, he covers an arc from the Black Sea to the North. This is not a random coincidence of national ambitions, but a reflection of the real scale of the mission.
The session adds several essential dimensions to this picture. It shows Andrew not as a legendary hagiographic figure, but as a historically concrete person with a real working method, real difficulties, and real limitations. Healings did not always happen. The preaching was not accepted everywhere. Journeys were dangerous, and he undertook them with a group of disciples, not alone.
But the most important thing the session adds is an explanation of how one man from a small Jewish province of the 1st century could, over decades, cover territories with dozens of mutually unintelligible languages in his preaching and leave a spiritual imprint that determined the religious identity of peoples for two thousand years to come.
The session's answer is simple and radical simultaneously: because he was technologically equipped for this task even before it began, and because this task was planned as a collective spiritual project even before his birth. First-Called—means not just "called first." Means—first ready.
Appendix to the essay "The Phantom of the First-Called." Written within the methodological framework of hypothetical hermeneutics
https://blog.cassiopeia.center/obshchenie-s-duhom-andreya-pervozvannogo-12-aposto
Cassiopeia #516 Live Broadcast / Communication with the Spirit of Andrew the First-Called / The 12 Apostles First Series.
00:00 Start of the broadcast.
00:08 Opening remarks by the Project Leader.
Maxim: Guys, hello everyone! I'll just do a little camera setup. That's fine.
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Today we have a unique broadcast for me. We are moving on to communication with Spirits, I don't even know how to say it correctly – probably not even Spirits, but with the Higher Selves of the apostles. But, again, we are doing this with the consent of the people in whom these apostles are incarnated. We have found...
(reads) "FSB officer, the path is open all around..." Of course, the path is completely open for us. And actually, I think that the one you named with three letters – the FSB, they are probably also very surprised why all our paths are open. Nothing terrible, I think these structures exist so that there is no destructiveness in our world, and I will always gladly support the FSB, the Central Internal Affairs Directorate, the Regional Internal Affairs Directorate, and other structures involved in law and order in our state. Since I myself am a lawyer, economist, psychologist, so I'm for maintaining law and order. And for there to be no frantic "schizoterics" who will deceive you, who will demand something from you. So, if you consider me one of them – well, consider me so, okay, I don't mind, I'll only be for it.
So, where did I stop? Ah, on our new videos. We decided to make a series of the twelve apostles. I really don't know how we'll bring this to the end, and whether we'll be able to get all the permissions completely. But I want to invite our wonderful contactee Irina Podzorova now, and she will tell us who is present with us today.
And, I wanted to tell you today that I didn't prepare for the broadcast, but I would have deceived you. Today I prepared for the broadcast. So, dear haters, dear "Alcyonists," dear our "colleagues in the shop," you don't have to worry – today everything is prepared, everything is fine, all questions are prepared. But I think that questions will still come from you here, from this channel, plus we have a "Question-Answer Live Broadcast" channel where you can also ask your questions. Irochka, I invite you, have a seat.
10:04 Introduction of participants. What is a phantom of the Spirit.
Irina: Hello everyone, dear friends, good evening!
Maxim: Wow, you look so beautiful today, you have such beautiful beads!
Irina: Thank you!
Maxim: Someone gave them to you, I suppose?
Irina: Yes, they were given to me...
Maxim: And what a beautiful ring you have! You've transformed very quickly, I didn't have time to notice. Is that also a gift? Who gave it, if it's not a secret?
Irina: I thank Marina from Voronezh, who gave me these things and these crystals, filled with the warmth of her Love and the Light of her Soul! Sending greetings, Marina!
Maxim: So, Irina, who is present with us today?
Irina: I thank everyone, dear friends, for your kind words, greetings to all! My name is Irina Podzorova, I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, as well as with spiritual and subtle-material entities. And today with us is a spiritual entity which is a phantom of an incarnated Spirit. This Spirit is the very same Spirit, one of whose incarnations is a person known on Earth as the "Apostle Andrew the First-Called." He is well-known in the Christian Church, or the Christian religious egregore. He is currently incarnated on Earth, I know this person, and he has given permission to talk with his Higher Self.
How does this happen? The Higher Self of the incarnated Spirit separates a part of its energy and builds a phantom, which it endows with certain memory and consciousness of one of its personalities that it already was in a past incarnation. So today, I ask that you primarily ask questions specifically about the life of Andrew the First-Called, because the phantom that is present here possesses his consciousness.
Maxim: So we don't have the opportunity to ask questions about his other incarnations?
Irina: He says: "Well, why not, you can ask questions." He is present here, and by the way, he has taken the image of the Apostle Andrew. I see a fairly tall man, approximately middle-aged, with a beard (he is now showing me his image). He says he greets everyone.
(Andrew the First-Called): If there are questions not about the life of Andrew the First-Called, I will answer them, because I am always in contact with my Spirit.
(Irina): That is, the Higher Self that allocated this phantom left an energetic thread for the exchange of energy and information. And the Higher Self of this person, the unincarnated part of his Spirit, hears everything through the phantom, including your questions.
14:02 Levels of incarnation of Apostle Andrew and his other incarnations.
Maxim: I greet you, Andrew, I have gathered a lot of questions for you, they were gathered by our Cassiopeians in the "Question-Answer Live Broadcast" chat.
Super question! (reads) "Who recruited you?" No, we need to ask Andrew, guys.
Tell me, please, from what Spiritual level did you incarnate as Andrew the First-Called?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): I incarnated as Andrew the First-Called from the 15th Spiritual level, according to the terminology of the Interstellar Union.
Maxim: And at what level did you exit when you ended your life as Andrew the First-Called?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): When I ended my life as Andrew the First-Called, I exited at the 24th level, again according to your terminology.
Maxim: Wow, wow! So, in this life you managed to reach the maximum in our understanding, to the level of the highest Angels!
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes.
Maxim: Did you feel, when you were Andrew the First-Called, like an "Angel in the flesh"?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): At the 24th level, one feels their consciousness as universal, not distinct from the flow of God's consciousness.
Maxim: Did you have any other significant incarnations on Earth?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes, I had incarnations on Earth. Including before the Apostle Andrew, I had three significant incarnations, and one after the Apostle Andrew was also on Earth, and one on another planet.
Maxim: And after the Apostle Andrew, who did you incarnate as on Earth?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): After the Apostle Andrew, I incarnated (shows Irina) as a man, it was not far from the city of Constantinople, and it was around the beginning of the 9th century after the Birth of Christ.
16:27 End of the broadcast (cuts off).
Resumption of the broadcast.
00:00 Start of the video.
00:03 Word from the Project Leader.
Maxim: Well, dear friends, greetings for the third time today! Probably, the structure of this Andrew the First-Called is so intense that the lights go out completely, computers shut down, there's some kind of minor cataclysm.
(reads chat) Yes, wait here, guys. 231 people. Of course, we lost a large part of the audience. Probably not everyone will get the message now that we've started this broadcast again.
Well, let's start over then. Hello! New Year is coming soon! I'm joking, guys. We have the New Year in Abkhazia, the retreat in Minsk, the "Content Service" we have. All this is below. Okay, Irina, come, have a seat. We'll continue our broadcast with Andrew the First-Called.
Irina: Good evening again, everyone! Yes, we had a small interruption in the video here because the electricity was cut off.
Maxim: It's very hard for us without electricity, we tried to go live from the phone, but on the phone we also needed to adjust the screen rotation.
Irina: Yes, but it was restored very quickly, and we can continue the broadcast.
Maxim: I want to remind everyone again that today in the broadcast we have the phantom of the incarnated part of the Spirit of Andrew the First-Called.
Irina: I'll remind you what we were talking about in the part that got interrupted.
Maxim: They're writing: "No sound." Guys, how do you hear us? Tell us, please, can you hear us at all? (reads) "Everything is fine. Anna S." Thank you very much! Everything is fine, great.
Irina: Yes, good, thank you all. So, dear friends, I remind you that today's broadcast topic is a conversation with the Spirit of Andrew the First-Called. But there is a nuance here – since he is currently incarnated, the conversation is with a phantom that his Higher Self created in the Spiritual World so that he could answer questions about his life. And for this, permission was needed from the person in whom the Spirit of Andrew the First-Called is now incarnated. I know him, I asked this person for permission, and he gave this permission, and therefore this contact became possible.
Maxim: Valery Nikolaevich Parfenov can't sit still...
Irina: What happened?
Maxim: Yeah, someone's blowing something up for him, we need to block him. There, it's all fine.
Irina: The question was about what significant incarnations Andrew the First-Called, the Spirit of Andrew the First-Called, had.
Maxim: Yes, I want to remind you that according to the information from the previous broadcast, Andrew the First-Called entered incarnation at level 15 and exited at level 24. He had three significant incarnations before Andrew the First-Called and one after. A man. And that's where we stopped.
04:01 The Spirit about his incarnations after Andrew the First-Called.
Irina: Yes, he says that after Andrew the First-Called there was an incarnation as a man, at the beginning of the 9th century after the Birth of Christ, in the area of the city of Constantinople, but not in the city itself, but somewhere (shows Irina) in the southern part from Constantinople, that is, the territory of Asia Minor. At that time, Turkey wasn't there yet. But it's the territory of modern Turkey (shows a map and the place where he lived).
(Andrew the First-Called speaking): At that time, my name was (now I'll try to convey this word – Irina) Epiphan or Epiphanius, and I was a monk. But I wasn't a Christian monk all my life; part of my life I spent as a simple peasant, and the last about 15 years I spent in a monastery. It was already a Christian monastery, and I entered that incarnation at the 24th level, and exited it at the 12th.
Maxim: Wow!
Irina: Well, yes (he is showing me now), there were reasons.
Maxim: And what were the reasons?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): I got immersed in the material. Despite being in a monastery, I cared more about the material (shows Irina that he was the one responsible for the material support of the monastery), and there were such feelings as irritation, anger, rage towards some of the inhabitants.
(Irina): So, an average level.
(Andrew the First-Called): Yes, at the moment of exiting the incarnation, it was an average – 12th – level. And after that, I incarnated on another planet.
Maxim: In our galaxy?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes.
Maxim: And what planet is that?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Shimor.
Maxim: And what were you there?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): A spiritual teacher.
Maxim: So, you went there at the twelfth level, if I understand correctly?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes.
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): And from the twelfth level, you became a spiritual teacher there. And at what level did you exit?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): At the 16th.
Maxim: And how much time passed from exiting the incarnation on the planet Shimor to the moment of incarnation on planet Earth?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): From the moment of exiting the incarnation on the planet Shimor, about 200 years passed (shows 188 Earth years) until the moment of incarnation on planet Earth.
Maxim: And during this interval, were you in the Spiritual World?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes.
Maxim: And what did you do there?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): I thoroughly prepared for the next incarnation: analyzed all my incarnations, met with Angel consultants, with those Spirits with whom I planned to incarnate, and with their Higher Selves, that is, with phantoms – in order to develop a plan for the next incarnation.
08:25 The Spirit about his incarnations before Andrew the First-Called.
Maxim: Understood. And now they're asking a question: "Who was Andrew before Andrew?" That is, what three significant incarnations did you have before?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): I want to say that my incarnations before the Apostle Andrew were not only on Earth, I was also incarnated on the planet Burhad (shows), and on the planet Shimor, and on the planet Esler (shows Irina a series of planets: and was there several times, and several times there – a bit everywhere). But mainly I concentrated on incarnations in the Milky Way Galaxy. I only had a few dozen incarnations in other galaxies, but mainly – in the Milky Way Galaxy.
Maxim: And what is this due to?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): I wanted to finish my business there, my incarnation plan. I had a plan developed for several incarnations, and it was connected not only with me, but also with other Spirits, including the Spirit of Jesus Christ.
(Irina): So it's like some kind of agreement.
Maxim: Have you known the Spirit of Jesus Christ for a long time, yes?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes. And also, of course, I incarnated in plasmoid civilizations, but these were not my main incarnations. For example, on Earth, as I said, there were three incarnations before the Apostle Andrew. In one of them, I incarnated at the twelfth density level and was a plasmoid Spirit responsible for the territory that occupies approximately the southern part of Israel. But that was about 4200 years ago.
And I had two more incarnations on Earth as humans, in the third density: one was female and one male. But they were (shows) before the war 12,000 years ago, on a single continent, and between them was 800,000 years.
Maxim: When people were from 3 to 4 meters tall and plant-eating?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): At the time I was incarnating, they were already somewhat shorter in stature.
(Irina): He is telling me now that they were four meters tall at creation, and then literally after 200-250 years there was such a mutation, in modern terms, a chain of mutations, from which their height began to change. Because Earth was pulling their bodies quite strongly, and there was such an adaptation, to reduce body mass.
Maxim: Understood. People here are asking: on what territory is your incarnated part currently located?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): On the territory of Russia.
Maxim: Thank you.
12:15 The task of the current incarnation of the Spirit of Andrew the First-Called.
Maxim: Tell me, please, what is your current incarnation task?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): My current incarnation task is to remember and simultaneously realize my angelic nature (as I already said, I attained this level), and simultaneously realize my nature as a Spirit who was absorbed by both the material and the spiritual. To integrate all this, to combine in one incarnation – spirituality with the material. To express the spiritual in the language of matter and matter in the language of Spirit.
Maxim: So, to unite the material and the spiritual?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): To unite and say that this is one. And not just to say it with words, but to show it with my life.
13:32 Apostle Andrew about communication with other apostles, and why there were 12 of them.
Maxim: Have you communicated with other apostles in your current incarnation?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes. Many of them are also incarnated. But not all, and I haven't communicated with all of them.
Maxim: So, we won't get a series of twelve... Oh no, wait, if not all are incarnated, we can ask permission from the Spirits.
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Are you asking – from the twelve or from the seventy?
Maxim: From the first twelve.
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes, I have communicated.
(Irina): He is now showing how his Higher Self, that is, the unincarnated Spirit, communicates with the other Higher Selves of even the incarnated apostles. So this communication happens on the spiritual level.
Maxim: So, in principle, you communicate with other apostles who are actually incarnated, and have communicated with the Spirits of those apostles who were among the first twelve?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes, I communicated before incarnation, and I communicate now, at the level of the Higher Self, and this communication has not been interrupted, because the Higher Self, the Spirit, does not have its memory blocked.
Maxim: Tell me, please, the first twelve apostles – was this number chosen by Christ for a reason? Do you know anything about this?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): As you know, twelve apostles plus one Jesus Christ – this number is 12 + 1 = 13. That is, this number was chosen as "twelve apostles plus one teacher," "twelve disciples plus one teacher." It was chosen as a symbol. 12 is a symbol of the realization of the manifestation of spiritual energy, whose symbol is the number "3" in matter, whose symbol in turn is the number "4." Because if you take three times four, you get twelve.
(Irina): He is showing me now that it was not accidental that exactly this number was chosen.
(Andrew the First-Called): But I want to say that besides the twelve apostles, there were other apostles, even in the time of Jesus. But the thing is that "13" is "12 + 1", and "1" is already a symbol of the Absolute, God. And here it was precisely symbolic that there was one Teacher, God, the Absolute, and 12 disciples – as a symbol of the incarnation of spiritual energies through matter (as I already said – "three" and "four").
17:03 Apostle Andrew about the common incarnation task with Christ.
Maxim: Tell me, please, do you have a common incarnation task with Christ?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): A common incarnation task with Christ now?
Maxim: He is currently on Burhad.
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes.
Maxim: He has a task that He is realizing in this manvantara, until its end, as I understand it. And you mentioned that you have some common tasks with Christ.
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): It is considered that Jesus Christ exited incarnation, but since He returned to it and united with his former body, it is considered that this incarnation, into which He came, is continuing for Him. And that means His tasks did not change upon incarnation, and they haven't changed now, because His incarnation, into which He came a little over two thousand years ago, is continuing.
And my task now in this incarnation is naturally connected with the task of Jesus Christ – in that we are performing one action, only in different ways. He does it through his energies, through his egregore, and I do it by my example. And as for how to do it, Jesus Christ is an example to me in this, because I also participate in the building of that egregore which will help purify people's Souls, that is, it's a common task. And I believe that the egregore in whose construction I participate is partially also the egregore of Jesus Christ, that is, they are one.
Maxim: Thank you, I understood you, I heard you.
Guys, you're asking what his name is now; he asked not to disclose it in any way.
Irina: He asked not to mention his name, so I cannot do that, I promised him, this person. I know him, and promised not to mention his name or in any way identify who he is incarnated as. He knows about his incarnation, naturally: I told him about it.
Maxim: I'm sure he's watching us now.
Irina: I also think he's watching us, and I send him greetings!
Maxim: And I send him huge greetings!
20:14 Apostle Andrew about the nickname "First-Called," John the Baptist, working as a fisherman.
Maxim: Tell me, please, why were you called "First-Called"?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): This name was given later. "First-Called" – simply as a symbol that I was the first one called by Jesus. But the thing is, I knew Jesus even before He, as it were, officially called me to apostolic labor. The point is, an apostle is not just a period of discipleship – it's a period of spiritual labor, work on oneself, first and foremost. And therefore, I knew Jesus Christ quite a long time before the moment He called me to be his disciple in front of everyone, in front of a crowd of other people. And I was also a disciple of John the Baptist.
Maxim: You were a disciple of John the Baptist?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): The one who baptized Jesus.
Maxim: So, you knew John the Baptist before Christ?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes.
Maxim: So, you had already started religious activities at that time? But I was told you were a fisherman.
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): One doesn't preclude the other (smiles). My social service was actually very simple – I caught fish to provide for myself, because I did not belong to the tribe of priests who could provide for themselves through rituals and sermons among believing Jews. So I had a different, simpler, but no less important profession than a priest, because, I assure you, even priests bought fish from me.
22:23 Andrew the First-Called about other apostles, besides the known twelve.
Maxim: I understand. Tell me, please, you mentioned the seventy apostles. What are these 70 apostles, people are asking in the chat.
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): There were more of them, but the understanding officially included in Christian teaching is that Jesus Christ first called 12 apostles, that is, me and 11 others. And a little later, He called another 70. In fact, there were very many, more than a hundred, but a few main names are listed. These are disciples of Jesus Christ, whom He also called, and in essence we were no different from them. That is, the 12 apostles were simply called somewhat earlier, and the 70 somewhat later. And we received information, knowledge, and the unlocking of our Divine abilities practically identically, the same.
Maxim: You just mentioned that Jesus called you to the teaching. How did that actually happen? Did He come up and say: "That's it, let's go"?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): He gave sermons.
Maxim: And how did He select you?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): He didn't approach anyone. Very many people knew Him through His activities – healing sick people, and such actions that caused amazement, for example, turning water into wine. Word spread about Him as a very miraculous phenomenon, in Russian you could say. This was understood as Divine power. And the whole region talked about Him, and I can even say, all of Israel talked about Him, saying that He is a Divine prophet. Some called Him a Divine prophet, others a charlatan, a madman, etc. But nonetheless, they knew about Him.
He was always accompanied by a certain number of people, and when He came to a city, rumors would spread that this very Jesus had come to our city. And sometimes the whole city, all its inhabitants, would gather at the doors of the house where He was staying with one of his disciples. And by the way, the disciples were not only men; there were also women disciples. He could stay with any disciple, male or female, from that city.
Maxim: So, very interesting! So, He also had women as disciples? And why didn't they become apostles?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Why didn't they become apostles where? In the teachings?
Maxim: Yes, in the teachings there's nothing about them at all, that women studied with Him.
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): They are called disciples, but they are not called apostles, because the ministry of the apostles was not only to learn, but also to preach about Christ to the pagan peoples who didn't even know about the One God, let alone about Jesus Christ. This was considered a very difficult mission, associated with danger. Therefore, initially the Christian church shielded women from such labor, from such spiritual work; it was indeed associated with danger. And many of them had children, and we men did not consider it possible for them to risk their lives and the well-being of their children like that. That is, it was not women's work. We protected them.
Therefore, an apostle is not just a disciple; it is one who carries the teaching further, despite the danger to life. As is well known to the Christian religious egregore, most of the apostles, not only from the twelve but also from the seventy, ended their life, their incarnation, due to violent death. We did not wish such a fate for women.
Maxim: Thank you for the answer, Andrew.
27:37 Apostle Andrew about his love for fishing.
Maxim: Tell me, please, there was a very interesting question: is your incarnated part currently fond of fishing, as you were?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes, for my incarnated part, fishing is not a means of subsistence or selling something, it's relaxation and a recollection of the sensations that my Spirit received from Jesus Christ. That is, there's an association, but it's unconscious.
Maxim: I understand, thank you.
28:31 Apostle Andrew about his communication with John the Baptist and how he became a disciple of Christ.
Maxim: So, before meeting Christ, you were fishing and already knew John the Baptist?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes, I knew how to read, my parents taught me, and I read the religious books we had, even as a teenager. And why I read them and was interested – I found out after exiting incarnation that my Spirit was pushing me towards this, because my incarnation task as Andrew the First-Called was precisely to become His apostle. And my Higher Self was preparing me for this. So I was drawn (shows Irina) to books, to sermons. Just like my elder brother Peter, we constantly talked about this.
Maxim: Peter – is that the Apostle Peter?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes, Simon. Christ later named him Peter, but his name was Simon.
Maxim: And why did Christ name him Peter?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Because he saw his firm and decisive character and compared him to a stone ("petros" in Greek – "rock/stone").
Maxim: So tell us, how did you actually become a disciple of Christ? Did you come to Him yourself, did He take you? How old were you when you became His disciple?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): When I became His disciple, I was 31 years old. Jesus Himself was 28. There's a three-year age difference, I was older than Him.
Maxim: Tell me, please, in which cities did you actually preach? Because they say you even preached in Bulgaria, in other countries.
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): I'll tell you how we met. As I already said, I knew Him before His calling to apostleship and heard very much about Him – both from John the Baptist and from other people, and I saw Him personally when He came to John the Baptist even before His baptism (shows how they communicated). And then, when Jesus Christ had undergone His Baptism (I was at that event)... Before the Baptism, Jesus Christ did not recruit apostles. He first had to withdraw into the desert and undergo there his experience of communicating with Lucifer.
Maxim: Again, an experience of communicating with whom?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): With the Archon Lucifer.
Maxim: And for what purpose?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): This was His life experience, His life path, a multi-faceted life task in order to gain the experience of manifesting His Divine will and confidence in His spiritual Truth, despite being incarnated in a body. And, naturally, for Lucifer himself, although he was not incarnated, as he is not now, this was also a lesson, because their interaction resulted in the event known in the Gospel as the "temptation of Christ." Before this event, Jesus did not call apostles, nor disciples in general; He simply communicated with people. Actually, officially, He didn't call anyone His disciples or Himself a teacher; He had to undergo this experience.
And after He had gone through this, He appeared again at John the Baptist's place at the moment when John the Baptist was giving a sermon by the Jordan River.
(Irina): He is now showing me a small river, not wide, earth, but there are few plants there, more like a desert, sand everywhere or clay, and here and there green bushes, but they are few for a river. Now shows the area and a crowd of people: the sun is bright, very hot, and there's a group of people, all in white cloaks or something. What kind of clothes do they have?
(Andrew the First-Called): And I was standing among the disciples of John the Baptist, it was another sermon. Jesus came, and the Baptist told us that this man is Jesus, He will take upon Himself the sin of the world, and this was a symbol that He would suffer without His own fault. That is, it was revealed to him by God as a prophecy.
And after that, I approached together with... (shows another man) Jesus, greeted Him, and we started communicating (shows that it was not the city where Jesus lived, where he was born; He was just temporarily staying there with a friend).
I asked Him: "Where are you staying?", and we went together to Him, and that day He called me a disciple for the first time. That is, I was already with Him at that time, but He called me His disciple for the first time that day. And then I went home and told my father (by that time my mother was no longer with us in the material world) and my brother Simon that Jesus had called me His disciple.
36:06 Apostle Andrew about his body after death.
Maxim: A question from Yulia Morozova: "In your current incarnation, have you visited your relics?"
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): What do you mean, "visited my relics"?
Maxim: Have you, in your current incarnation, gone and seen any of your relics?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): I know they exist, and moreover, they are divided. My body... I know, Angels told me about this, even when I lived on the planet Shimor. I was a contactee with the Spiritual World there and communicated with Archangel Michael, and he told me about what was happening on Earth. Among other things, he knew that I had been incarnated as Andrew the First-Called. And he told me, showed me pictures, images of where parts of my body are located. He said it is divided, he knew this as one of the leaders of the Christian egregore. That is, he sensed by the energies where each part was, and showed me that they are divided – one is in one country, another in another, etc.
Maxim: I understand, thank you.
37:37 Apostle Andrew about contacts with off-world curators and the installation of microchips.
Maxim: So many interesting questions, I don't even know where to start next. How did Jesus actually teach you, what did He teach you?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): He taught us spiritual laws, also told us about the stars and introduced us to aliens from the sky. We would go out to a deserted place, where a huge luminous "cloud" would descend from the sky, and people taller than ordinary people, in shiny suits, would come out to us (shows Irina images).
Maxim: So, you apostles had real physical contact?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes, I had physical contact, all of us did, and it was necessary for us, because we had to attune ourselves to transmit information to other people. They installed in us what you now call "microchips."
Maxim: Interesting, so all the apostles were chipped?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): It was such a chip in the brain (shows), to activate (at that time it was necessary) the ability to speak languages we hadn't learned, and to write in them.
Maxim: So they activated the ability for you to speak other languages?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes, for this, some organic microchip was applied to our brain cells, which becomes part of the human brain. And it took on information we didn't know. But we gave our consent to this before incarnation. That is, it was part of my incarnation plan.
39.52 Apostle Andrew about where and to whom he preached.
Maxim: Tell me, please, which countries did you go to preach?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): (shows a map) I walked along the shores of the Black Sea, around it, then sailed in a large wooden boat up a river that goes from the Black Sea to the north, and then along rivers, through forests... I went to different peoples, there were many, dozens of them. I went into the mountains (shows some mountains).
Maxim: What did you tell them there? Imagine, you came to the mountains, to an aul, and what did you preach to them there? That Christ exists, or God?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): When I came to a settlement, I wasn't alone (shows five people who accompanied him).
Maxim: And who were these five people? Were they just assistants or...?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Disciples, my own.
Maxim: Your own disciples?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes.
(Irina): He is now showing me: one was even older than him, for some reason, and the rest were about his age.
(Andrew the First-Called): They were also Christians. And they accompanied me. Both helpers and disciples, and other Christians who could also preach (shows also that he laid hands on them).
Maxim: For what purpose?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Ordination, connecting to Christ, to the Christ consciousness, as you say. It was considered that when laying on hands, the Holy Spirit, energy, descends.
42:16 Apostle Andrew about walking on water, healing, and raising people.
Maxim: Tell me, please, did you actually walk on water?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Not me, but my brother. I just saw it.
Maxim: You just saw it, and Peter walked on water?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes, Simon. I was just in that boat (shows the picture that Jesus talked about during the conference with Him, but from the perspective of the boat).
Maxim: So you yourself didn't walk, your brother did, right?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes, I was a witness.
Maxim: Okay. Let's continue.
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): When I came to a settlement, I would greet them and ask to be taken to the ruler of that settlement, to the leader. I would go to him and say: "Peace to this house!", that is, already in their language. I would activate the ability to speak his language by my desire (thanks to the microchip I had this ability, even though I hadn't learned it).
Maxim: Is it true that you raised people from the dead?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): I healed the seriously ill who were taken for dead. But to heal the dead – only Jesus Christ resurrected. That is, restoring the body if the life thread has already been severed.
Maxim: You helped heal practically hopelessly ill people, if I understand correctly?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): They were already taken for dead, they weren't moving, they were about to be buried. There were no means to detect that they were still alive; they were cold (shows), completely unconscious.
Maxim: And how did you resurrect them?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Through prayer. Prayer to Jesus. I asked Jesus to help bring them back to life. I thought they were dead, had died, and asked to bring them back to life. And the Angel of that person (shows) heard this prayer and asked his Angel consultants if it was possible to return the Soul and connect it with the body, while the life thread hadn't been severed. This didn't always work, only if it corresponded to their life task.
Maxim: Tell me, please, did you travel with the disciples after Christ's death, or did you leave before His death?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): After His death, and resurrection, and ascension.
45:00 Apostle Andrew about the death of Christ and his marital status.
Maxim: Tell me, please, did you see the death of Christ with your own eyes? Were you there, present?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): I saw the cross from afar, among a crowd of people, His mother (shows images). Far away, the soldiers pushed us back. They guarded that place, but I saw from the side.
Maxim: Did you have a wife, children?
Irina (Andrew): No. But I had a girl, a fiancée, but she exited incarnation before we could be united in marriage. She exited incarnation due to an infectious disease.
(Irina): He is showing me now: something like dysentery, some kind of infection.
Maxim: And after that, you had no one else?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): After that, I took up traveling. I had dangerous life circumstances: I was among pagans, they could have...
46:07 What Apostle Andrew preached about.
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): As I already said, I would come to the ruler of some settlement, city, or region and first tell him about Christ, about the existence of the one God. I would tell him everything about Jesus, about His mission on Earth, and suggest that he gather the people with the help of his servants so I could give a sermon. And when he asked: "Why do I need this?", I would offer to pray for the health of, for example, someone from the ruler's family.
Quite often it happened that the ruler initially did not want to violate his pagan faith in many gods by me telling him about something else; it was alien to him. But when I said: "Okay, but I can pray to God for health, if any of you is sick, and God will heal him" (that is, I didn't heal myself), they would agree, even just to test. And quite often there were sick relatives, old people who were very ill. And by the mercy of Jesus Christ, by the mercy of the Lord, when I prayed for them, the grace of God, that is, His energy, would overshadow that person and restore them.
But this didn't always happen, only when the person themselves believed in God and was pure enough. Because if there was no inner purity, their Angels could refuse to let this energy in, because they were supposed to exit incarnation. Such was the agreement.
Maxim: I understand.
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): But when I succeeded, the rulers were amazed, they called me a "healer," a "miracle-worker," and allowed me to give a sermon about Christ. I told them about His mission, about how He came to free people from sins through various actions which you now call "sacraments." This is, firstly, baptism, and secondly, the taking into oneself of physical bread and wine, in which there is the energy of His blood and flesh.
I told how important this is, how it helps to go to the World of Light, because there are dozens of pagan peoples, very many names, I didn't even remember them; for me it was one people of God, despite some differences in names. Their customs differed somewhat. But I want to say that everywhere I went, everywhere I sailed, Jesus was with me (that is, he was in contact with Him – Irina). And He appeared to me, He guided me in many things during my travels. For example, He even came and said that this place where you are now standing (shows Irina a forest near a river, a forest edge, a hill rises) is a very energetically saturated place, and people will live here (this is like a prophecy). And I even asked Him: "And will these people be Your disciples, Christians?" At that time, of course, there was no Christianity there. And I received the answer: "Yes, there is such a probability, a very high one, that they will be Christians." And I picked up a stick there (shows) and tied a second one with some rope into a cross, and set it up.
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51:07 Apostle Andrew about body, Spirit, and holiness.
Maxim: Andrew, tell us, please, does the holiness of Andrew the First-Called remain in your incarnated body now, and can this body perform miracles?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Holiness is not in the body. Holiness is manifested through the body. The body is matter. And holiness is the communion of the Spirit with the energy of God. And in the body, when I was an apostle, or lived elsewhere, there is no holiness in itself, but energy can be manifested through it.
Of course, through the body of any person, their spiritual energy is manifested, including the energy influenced by all the incarnations of that Spirit. And, of course, in the body in which I am now incarnated, through it, energies are partially manifested, along with many others. Through it, the energies of me as Andrew the First-Called are also partially manifested. But they are manifested to the extent that this incarnated part of the Spirit corresponds to the vibrations of that personality, that state of Spirit, consciousness, and will, in which I was when I was in the body of Andrew the First-Called, incarnated in that personality.
Because these are different names; now there is another name, and then there was another, and besides these incarnations I have had many different names. But the names are different, the bodies are different, yet I am one. And therefore, how each of my incarnations manifests me depends on the degree of contact of my incarnated part with me, as the Higher Self.
53:21 Apostle Andrew about his book banned by the Vatican and about the flight on an alien ship.
Maxim: Thank you. Here's a question: can you tell us what is dangerous in your book, which even the Vatican is afraid to publish? Did you write some kind of book?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes.
Maxim: Did you have the so-called "Gospel of Andrew"?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes, I wrote a biography of Jesus.
Maxim: And why is the Vatican afraid to publish your book?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): I described in detail there what I saw: aliens from the sky, and what they looked like. That they flew in from the stars, what that "cloud" looked like – we went inside it and even looked at Earth from the outside.
Maxim: And you described all this in your book?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes.
Maxim: Now I understand why the Vatican is afraid to show these books. Thank you.
Irina: They don't acknowledge it.
Maxim: I understand, I understand, thank you very much, now everything is clear to me. So, next question...
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): There is (he is now showing) a copy that has been rewritten several times. It wasn't from the first century, the one I wrote, but one the disciples copied. And this copy is kept specifically in the Vatican library, along with other apocrypha, by the way. There are quite a lot of them there.
Maxim: Thank you! I now understand why the Vatican hides some sacred writings.
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): I wrote, for example, about how Earth looks from the outside, that it is a sphere.
(Irina): He is now showing how he saw it, standing inside. So we enter this "cloud," and there is a white light, next to us stand people with white faces. And then they show us a wall, and the wall is also white. And suddenly it becomes transparent, and through it you see stars, very, very many of them, and they are bright. And then the picture changes, and they show a sphere (he is showing his memories) – one side illuminated by the sun, and the other side kind of in shadow, but it's clearly visible. Yes, blue color, white clouds, and you can even see the outlines of continents there, only he didn't understand it then.
(Andrew the First-Called): And I asked: "What is this?" And Jesus answered me, He was standing nearby and said: "Don't worry, this is the Earth we live on." And everyone was surprised: "How can it be a sphere, we walk on it and don't fall? And where is the sun?" So we started asking. And Jesus reminded us of the words of the prophet that were in the Tanakh, that is, in the Hebrew Bible, about God telling the prophet that "I sit enthroned above the circle of the Earth," that is, above the sphere of the Earth. He reminded us that this was written many centuries before His birth. And we also remembered reading these scriptures.
"Where is the sun?" (in response to this, the picture changed again, and they showed a bright sphere). And Jesus began to explain to us that the Earth revolves around the Sun. That was such a shock for us. He smiled and said: "Don't you remember that we went out of the body? I already showed you this when we traveled in the Spirit." And I then replied that it's one thing in the Spirit, and another in the body.
(Irina): He tells it amusingly (laughs).
58:48 Message from Apostle Andrew to his incarnated part.
Maxim: Tell me, please, how many incarnations have you had in total?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): In total, I have had... I am currently in incarnation, it is the 861st (shows that number).
Maxim: Would you like to convey something to your incarnated part?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes, of course.
I know, my dear Divine particle, who is now incarnated in a wonderful man, a very bright, kind person, always striving for the knowledge of Spirit and matter. I know that you know that you and I are one. And you often communicate with me and ask me about many things that trouble you, and in which you doubt, turning to your Heart.
And you have done this since your earliest conscious age. You did so, despite making mistakes, sometimes mistaking the arguments of reason for my words. But all this together allowed you to experientially know in this body and in this reality, where you are, your task. Namely, as I already said – the union of spiritual and material principles, as a single divine reality in the Light of Absolute Love.
I send you, my incarnated part, the Light of my Love, and I assure you that everything you do is part of your incarnation tasks, and you are currently fulfilling them completely.
(Irina): So he's basically wishing him good luck.
(Andrew the First-Called): I wish you to unite with me after exiting incarnation and the severing of the life-force thread to the body. To unite with me at the level at which the incarnated part of Andrew the First-Called united with me when it exited incarnation.
Maxim: Thank you. I hope, or rather, I am even sure that he is hearing this broadcast, although our first broadcast was cut off, but the second one, I think, he is still watching and hearing.
Irina: Maybe he'll watch it later.
1:02:41 Apostle Andrew about his death and exit from incarnation.
Maxim: Tell us, please, how did you exit the incarnation of Andrew the First-Called, where was it, how old were you, and what happened?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): I was 67 years old.
(Irina): He shows me a fairly robust man, despite his age. I would have given him about fifty.
(Andrew the First-Called): I exited incarnation because I was executed, tied to a cross with ropes, and left without water and food, simply under the sun.
This happened because I healed the wife of the ruler of the city of Patras from an illness. This ruler worshipped Roman gods (shows how he makes sacrifices – brings some fruits, something like that, to the temple of Jupiter). His wife also worshipped Roman gods, but they could not help her with a serious illness (shows: something with her heart).
Maxim: So you healed the ruler's wife from an illness, and they executed you for that?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Not for that, but because she converted to Christianity after the healing.
Maxim: She later became a Christian?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): She became a Christian and began to teach her children this. The father was against it, and he said that this was a betrayal of the gods, and that the temporary healing of the body did not warrant such betrayal. Moreover, she became my disciple and came to my house (shows some kind of wooden church).
Maxim: Maybe he was just jealous of you for her?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes. She told me that her husband didn't believe that she was coming to me just for discipleship, spending so much time.
Maxim: I'm telling you, he was jealous, it seems.
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): He also spoke about faith – "she changed her religion," and then he also said that "maybe Andrew is not only your teacher, maybe he is teaching you more than just faith." Although that wasn't the case, I was 67 years old.
(Irina): But still, I want to say, he is showing me an image now – I wouldn't have given him 67.
Maxim: In general, it's clear – you suffered because of the ruler who was jealous of you for his wife, who converted to the Christian faith, if I understand correctly?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): When I exited incarnation, I asked the Angel mentors, the Angel consultants. After all, jealousy was only one of the reasons why he decided – to kill me, execute me. Still, the main reason was anger over the change of faith. Well, and jealousy was there, but less.
Maxim: I understand. And where did this happen exactly?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): On the territory of Greece. But at that time it was the Roman Empire, and now it's the territory of Greece.
Maxim: I understand. And then, accordingly, where did your body go, do you know?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): When I was tied to the cross (shows a cross), there was a guard, several soldiers, but they got tired of standing or lying in the hot sun, and went somewhere into the shade. And they watched to make sure no one brought me water, gave me a drink.
I already had disciples at that time, and this ruler said that he was arranging such an execution so that all people would see that no God would take me down from the cross. Because cutting off the head, simply hanging – that would have been quicker. But he said, he announced: "I will deliberately cause maximum torment to this man who claimed to communicate with God, to have flown on a heavenly chariot, etc. Look how your teacher will suffer, and what kind of 'heavenly chariot' will take him down from there." That is, I will simply hang him, and you watch for yourselves.
He could have executed me differently, and the point here is that, indeed, the disciples believed. Well, yes, I told them about Christ, about Angels, about how they fly in. And they really expected that something physical would come and save me. But I no longer had such an incarnation task; my task was already finished, and I needed to exit incarnation.
And the ruler said (the sentence was announced in my presence): "When he hangs on this cross without food, without water, and if any of the disciples approaches and tries to bring him something – food or water – they will immediately be seized and hanged next to him on another cross." But, despite this (I heard it all perfectly well), I forgave him. Why did I reach the 24th level? Because I hung on this cross for more than five days.
Maxim: More than five days?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Yes, until dehydration occurred. I would lose consciousness, and then regain it, and pray. But, naturally, the first thing I did – I didn't know how long my heart would hold out, so I immediately directed the Light of Love to that man, the ruler, and his wife. So that no trace of resentment, anger remained: I knew perfectly well that this wouldn't save me, and that I would soon appear before God.
I simply understood perfectly well the reason he decided this. Because he had low spirituality; he believed in gods, but did not believe in God as Love. And since he did not believe in Love, he was cruel, and precisely because of his cruelty he decided to cause me as much suffering as possible in this way. And to dissuade his subjects from the truth of what I was preaching. That is, he was guided by some concepts of justice.
I understood him, of course, but I felt sorry for him; I felt compassion, because he was so cruel and because this could lead him to suffering in hell, on the hellish levels. And I genuinely prayed to God that before his own exit from incarnation, he would have time to repent of this. But no, he didn't have time; I later saw him at the fifth level; I went to him, descended, we talked, after his exit from incarnation. When I saw him, the first thing I said to him was: "It's a pity you didn't have time."
(Irina): Now shows me a picture of him hanging in a loincloth, some insects biting him, his hands tied... And shows night.
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): And then, before dawn, one of my female disciples brings me water, but I look at her and understand that she is being watched. I had a hoarse voice, and I say to her: "Go back! Don't you dare come near me and bring me anything! What are you doing, you have children, get away from here!" That is, I started to scold her.
Maxim: You were dying and still scolding those who tried to help you?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): Not exactly scolding, but driving her away, because she wanted to approach and wasn't listening to me. And I knew that if they caught her, they would hang her next to me on another cross, and it would have been unbearable for me to see someone else suffer because of me, right next to me. I would rather hang three times as long again than have someone else hang next to me because they wanted to give me water.
1:12:29 Apostle Andrew about the "Our Father" prayer and contactees with Christ and Christ Consciousness.
Maxim: Thank you, Andrew! We have a very large number of people now asking you to give some kind of prayer for the healing of the Soul. If you were to give a prayer for people now, which one would you give?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): All prayers have been given, including by my Teacher and yours – Jesus. The "Our Father," as you call it. If you read it fully consciously and understand what is said there, you can raise your spiritual level. What you call "healing of the soul" – this is metanoia, repentance, an absolutely new view of oneself, of one's loved ones, of the Universe, of God. And, dear friends, you already have all the "tools" for this now, in different religions, in different teachings. This doesn't require many words. As Jesus said: "And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, but simply turn inwardly, in a few words, to your Father in heaven, who is in secret. And God, your Heavenly Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you openly." Prayer can be absolutely anything.
Maxim: Here Olga Nikonova writes that everyone already knows that the "Our Father" is translated incorrectly, and the meaning there is deeper, different. What do you think? Can I read the prayer now, and you'll say if it's like that, if the meaning is like that? Can we do that?
Irina: He is asking me now.
(Andrew the First-Called): I know that Irina is a contactee, she contacts the Interstellar Union, I know what that is, about the planet Burhad, and that Irina contacts the Christ Consciousness, as well as many Archangels. And I would like to know, has any of her curators or the curators of your Project "Cassiopeia" (I know about it too) given an interpretation of the "Our Father" prayer from the perspective of the Spiritual World and the Interstellar Union?
Irina: Yes, they have. MidgasKaus gave it. Read it, because indeed MidgasKaus gave it, and this Spirit is also acquainted with Christ, and they were quite close in several incarnations. And he currently communicates with Him, with His Christ Consciousness, and is His contactee – MidgasKaus himself. Jesus Christ has contactees on different planets. And the interpretation he gave, you can read it, it exists. Everything is clear there.
01:15:47 Message from the Spirit of Andrew the First-Called to Earthlings.
Maxim: Thank you! Imagine you now have the opportunity to convey something to all the inhabitants of the planet. What would you like to convey?
Irina (Andrew the First-Called): My dear brothers and sisters, I ask you to value every moment of your earthly life, to value the people who are next to you. To value means to treat their feelings, their Souls, with respect and reverence. Remember that although you are together now, by the next day, when the sun rises, this may change. And you might not say those words that you could say now. Or you might say them, but you won't be sure that you will be heard from the Spiritual World, or that you will hear your loved one from the Spiritual World.
Now you are here, and your loved ones are here, in the material world, but in an hour or a few hours this circumstance may change. None of you know when you will be called to your Heavenly Father, so value every moment of life in matter as a great gift for the manifestation of Love. I wish you to fully realize the value of life, and the value of your loved ones who are next to you, no matter what.
Maxim: Thank you, Andrew!
Dear friends, thank you for supporting this broadcast. I'm waiting for everyone for the New Year in Abkhazia. Guys, the New Year will be simply fantastic, bring your friends, moms, comrades, they can just relax. The hotel gave us a fantastic price: 9 days "all inclusive" – 30,000 rubles. Plus the retreat itself costs 20,000 rubles, and your friends can come and just relax with pleasure at this hotel. And you will be engaged in self-development and, accordingly, go through a huge number of practices, meditations, initiations, various healing sessions. In short, we are waiting for you for the New Year at our wonderful retreat. And there, as the leader, I will also tell you a lot of new things. I'm waiting for the big "Cassiopeia" family for the New Year in Abkhazia! The link is under this video. Guys, bye!
Irina: Bye everyone!
01:18:40 End of the broadcast.
November 27, 2022
Conference Participants:
Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, with subtle-material civilizations, and with the Spiritual World;
Maxim Rusan – leader of the "CASSIOPEIA" project and the Center for Spiritual and Physical Development;
Phantom of the unincarnated part of the Spirit of the Apostle Andrew the First-Called.
