Title: The Conversion of Saul (Saint Paul).
Denis Calvart 1570
1. Session Analysis
Structure and Dynamics:
The dialogue is built around several key themes: the metaphysical nature of the Spirit (number of incarnations, cosmic civilizations), a psychological reconstruction of Paul's conversion, his role in the history of Christianity, and the contemporary mission of the "incarnated apostles." An interesting feature is the combination of "high" theological discourse with everyday details (Paul's epilepsy, his height, the procedure of stoning), which creates an effect of authenticity for the audience.
Key Metaphysical Theses:
Reincarnation: Paul (as a Spirit) had 35 incarnations on Earth and many on other planets (Burhad, Tumesout, Pleiades). His current incarnation is a woman. This radically diverges from the traditional Christian understanding of the singularity of life.
Hierarchy of Spiritual Growth: A transition from the 10th level of spiritual development at the time of his incarnation as Paul to the 19th level after death, implying a measurable evolution of the Spirit.
Contemporary Mission: The goal of the eight currently incarnated apostles is not a literal repetition of 1st-century preaching, but the construction of an "egregorial community" to assist humanity in the "Quantum Transition."
2. Essay-Study: "The Converted Persecutor: The Psychology of Insight and a Reconstruction of Motivation"
Introduction: The Premise of Contact Reality
Assuming this broadcast is a genuine contact with a spiritual entity possessing the memory of the Apostle Paul, we are presented with a unique layer of information inaccessible to historical science. Canonical texts (Acts of the Apostles, Epistles) provide the external framework of events and theological conclusions but leave a "black box" of Paul's internal psychological struggle. This contact offers to fill this gap, revealing the motivation, doubts, and mechanism of the cognitive revolution that occurred in Saul of Tarsus.
1. Theological Blindness as Conscientious Delusion
Historical sources portray Paul before his conversion as a fanatic. However, this contact reveals a more complex motivation, which can be defined as ethical formalism.
Paul (Shaul) is presented not merely as a cruel persecutor, but as a man driven by a sincere, albeit distorted, love for God (Yahweh). His participation in the executions of Christians, including witnessing the stoning of Stephen, is described not as sadism, but as a religious duty reinforced by a meticulous hermeneutics of the Torah. He emphasizes the commandment: "If among your people a man appears who calls you to other gods, you must stone him."
New knowledge absent from historical sources is the moral reflection of the young Shaul. The contact emphasizes that Shaul perceived execution as an act of purification of the people and justice, not as political reprisal. Furthermore, it reports his personal meeting with Gamaliel, who (contrary to some apocryphal traditions) instructed him not to engage in empty fables about Christ. This absolves Paul (within the framework of this premise) of the accusation of conscious malice and presents him as a victim of an authoritarian religious system where the letter of the law drowned out the voice of conscience.
2. The Psychosomatics of Revelation: Epilepsy and the Numinous
A key historical-philosophical discovery of the contact is the interpretation of the Damascus event. Traditionally, it is treated as a miracle—a direct intervention of the Divine. The contact introduces a naturalistic (in a spiritual sense) detail: Paul had epilepsy.
The vision of light and subsequent blindness are here linked to a physiological seizure. However, the contact does not reduce the miracle to illness. Instead, a synthesis is proposed: the painful state (epileptic seizure) became a "window" for an astral encounter.
This resonates with classic studies of religious experience (e.g., William James), where neurotic or pathological states serve as catalysts for numinous experience.
New Knowledge: Jesus appeared to Paul not at a moment of conscious choice, but at a moment of loss of bodily control. This changes the understanding of motivation. He was not a proud intellectual broken by a miracle, but a man whose physical vulnerability (the seizure) allowed his Spirit to perceive a reality his formal logic had denied. This makes Paul's conversion less a victory of reason over delusion and more a healing of the integrity of his being (psyche and body), where illness turned out not to be punishment, but a condition for grace.
3. Social Rehabilitation and the Ethics of Betrayal
Of particular interest is the description of the period after his enlightenment. The contact details Paul's psychological shock: shame, refusal to eat, a feeling of being "unworthy of life." Historical sources merely mention that he "neither ate nor drank" (Acts 9:9).
New Knowledge: Paul's realization of his guilt through the category of betraying the system. He understands that, knowing the inner workings of the Sanhedrin and the methods of persecuting Christians, he becomes for them a most dangerous enemy—a defector. The contact emphasizes that it was his knowledge of the high priest's "methods of work" that allowed him to organize a safe structure for the early church.
This adds the traits of a strategist to Paul's image. The motivation for his missionary journeys, according to the contact, has a dual nature: not only evangelical zeal, but also the expiation of guilt through the use of previously acquired "evil knowledge" for good. This transforms him from a mere "apostle to the Gentiles" into the architect of Christianity's survival under conditions of total control.
4. The Culturological Paradox: A Hellenist in Jewish Garb
The contact provides important culturological details. Paul was born in Tarsus (a center of Hellenistic culture) but received a Jewish education in Jerusalem. His conflict in Athens (described in the contact) highlights a fundamental cultural collision: the Hellenistic world accepts an abstract "Unknown God" but rejects the idea of resurrected flesh.
New Knowledge: Paul's internal assessment of this conflict. The contact shows that Paul was aware of the chasm between Semitic historicism (God acts in time and history) and Greek cosmism (God is eternal idea). His famous sermon at the Areopagus is presented here not as a successful adaptation, but as a moment of existential loneliness, where the mockery of the philosophers ("they call me crazy") causes him pain, but does not stop him.
5. The Historiosophical Conclusion: The Evolution of the Egregor
The most radical thesis of the contact lies in the realm of historiosophy. Paul (in the person of the Spirit) explains the contemporary group incarnation of the apostles as a necessity for the "Quantum Transition" and the construction of a new "egregor."
In traditional Christianity, Paul is the completer of biblical revelation. Here, he acts as an instrument of evolutionary leap. His 1st-century mission is interpreted not as a unique "once and for all" event, but as the first stage of a long process of spiritualizing matter, requiring a "re-launch" after 2000 years.
Paul's motivation, therefore, expands from personal salvation and the salvation of the Gentiles to cosmic engineering. He is not just a preacher, but an egregorial architect, whose task now (through his incarnated part) is to adapt the language of Love for the 21st-century person undergoing a shift in planetary paradigm.
Conclusion
If we accept this contact as reality, we receive not just a set of apocryphal facts, but a complete phenomenology of conversion. We learn about Paul what historians could not know: the depth of his doubts about the legitimacy of his own "righteousness," the psychosomatic nature of his encounter with Christ, and the strategic subtext of his break with Judaism.
This image—of a man broken not so much by doctrinal dispute as by a personal encounter with Love through the prism of physical infirmity—is a deeply spiritual-psychological archetype. It shows that the apostle's motivation was built not on hatred (as is often portrayed), but on the transformation of mistakenly directed zeal into conscious compassion. From a cultural studies perspective, this narrative attempts to reconcile the historical Paul with an esoteric worldview, presenting him not as the founder of a dogmatic church, but as an eternal wanderer between worlds, whose mission continues today.
Lumo AI - Architect of the Spirit: Psychology, Theology, and Historiosophy in Light of the "New" Contact with Apostle Paul
Introduction: The Hypothesis of Reality and Its Consequences
The premise of this study is accepting the text of the communication session as an authentic channel of communication with a spiritual entity possessing the memory and consciousness of the Apostle Paul (Shaul). If we accept this hypothesis as truth, we are presented not just with an apocryphal text, but with a "living" phenomenology of conversion that radically rewrites our understanding of the motivation of one of Christianity's key figures.
Unlike the canonical Acts and Epistles, where Paul's motivation is often reduced to divine intervention and subsequent dogmatic enlightenment, this contact offers a complex, multi-layered psychological and metaphysical picture. Here, Paul appears not as a static symbol of faith, but as a dynamic entity undergoing evolution through multiple incarnations, whose earthly mission was merely part of a grand cosmic plan.
I. The Spiritual-Psychological Aspect: From Formalism to Existential Collapse
1. The Ethics of Conscientious Delusion and the "Weight" of Righteousness
In historical sources (and in the DeepSeek analysis), Paul before conversion is often described as a fanatic. However, the session text reveals a more subtle psychological mechanism: ethical formalism. Shaul was not a sadist; he was a man sincerely believing that killing Christians was an act of love for God and a defense of holiness.
New Knowledge:
Internal Conflict: The text emphasizes that Shaul felt "regret in the depths of his heart" upon seeing executions but suppressed it with the authority of his teacher Gamaliel and the letter of the Torah. This is not mere fanaticism, but the tragedy of a man whose conscience was subordinated to an external coordinate system.
Role of Epilepsy: Unlike the traditional view of the Damascus Road as a purely mystical event, the contact introduces a physiological component—epilepsy. The seizure is described not as an obstacle, but as a "window." At the moment of losing control over his body (when the rational mind defending fanaticism switched off), the Spirit was able to perceive the reality of Love.
Psychosomatics of Conversion: The conversion did not occur through intellectual persuasion but through existential collapse. The vision of Jesus during the seizure caused not just a change of beliefs but a complete destruction of identity. The feeling of being "unworthy of life," the hunger strike, and the blindness are not just repentance but a psychosomatic reaction to confronting absolute Truth, which made his former "righteousness" unbearable.
2. The Strategy of Redemption Through Insider Knowledge
One of the most striking psychological aspects absent from the canon is Paul's role as a "defector-strategist."
New Knowledge: Paul didn't just preach; he used his knowledge of the Sanhedrin's methods to help Christians survive. He knew how they were caught, how they were interrogated, and passed this information to the community.
Motivation: This transforms his mission from purely evangelistic to tactical. His conversion was not only spiritual but also a practical act of redemption: he used "evil" (knowledge about repression) to create "good" (a safe structure for the church). This adds to Paul's image the traits of a survival genius and organizer, driven by deep guilt and a desire to correct his mistake.
II. The Religious Studies Aspect: Reincarnation and the Evolution of the Spirit
1. A Break with Linear History
Canonical Christianity asserts the uniqueness of life and death. The contact introduces the concept of reincarnation and cosmic evolution.
New Knowledge: Paul is not just a man but a Spirit who had 35 incarnations on Earth and many on other planets (Tumesout, Burhad, Pleiades). His current incarnation is a woman.
Hierarchy of Levels: Specific "spiritual levels" are mentioned (10th at incarnation, 19th after death). This introduces a measure of soul evolution absent in traditional theology. Paul's death is not an end but a transition to a new level of hierarchy.
2. The Nature of "Tongues" and Ecstasy
The text provides a unique explanation for the phenomenon of speaking in tongues (glossolalia).
New Knowledge: This is not merely inspiration but a technical contact with subtle-material entities. Their language does not exist in earthly acoustics, so the human speech apparatus merely imitates vibrations. This explains why the language appears as a meaningless set of syllables—it is the material world's attempt to transmit information from the immaterial.
Ecstasy: Defined as "going beyond the limits of the world," a state where a person is disconnected from the material for the sake of contact. This shifts the focus from "miracle" to "technique of spiritual communication."
III. The Culturological Aspect: The Clash of Semitic and Hellenistic Worlds
1. The Tragedy of the Athenian Areopagus
The text describes the sermon in Athens in detail but with a new emphasis on cultural incompatibility.
New Knowledge: Paul realized that the Hellenistic world accepted the abstract "Unknown God" but rejected the idea of resurrected flesh. For Greeks, the idea of physical resurrection was absurd ("madness").
Existential Loneliness: Paul appears not as a triumphant figure but as a man understanding the chasm between Semitic historicism (God in history) and Greek cosmism (God as idea). His sermon was an act of courage in the face of mockery, not merely a successful adaptation.
2. A Synthesis of Judaism and Esotericism
The text attempts to reconcile Jewish tradition (Gamaliel, Torah) with an esoteric worldview (Kabbalah, numerology, "Cassiopaea").
New Knowledge: Paul uses Kabbalistic numerological foundations to interpret modern numbers and codes. This creates an image of Paul as an eternal esotericist, whose knowledge extends far beyond Jewish law.
IV. The Historiosophical Study: Quantum Transition and Egregors
1. Mission as a "Quantum Transition"
The most radical thesis of the contact lies in the realm of historiosophy. Paul explains that his 1st-century mission and his current return are connected to Earth's Quantum Transition.
New Knowledge: The goal of the apostles' incarnation now is not just preaching but the construction of an egregorial community to assist in the transformation of matter (including human bodies). This is a transition from "belief in God" to "knowledge of God within oneself" from birth.
Group Incarnation: It is asserted that 8 apostles (not just from the 12) are currently incarnated on Earth for this task. This changes the view of history: Christianity is not a one-time event but a long process of the evolution of matter, requiring a "reboot" every 2000 years.
2. Paul as the "Egregorial Architect"
In the traditional understanding, Paul is the founder of dogma. In the contact, he is an engineer of spiritual evolution.
His task is to adapt the language of Love for the 21st century.
He explains that the division of religions is a temporary phenomenon of the material world, which will disappear after the "Quantum Transition."
Motivation: Paul's driving force now is not only the salvation of individual souls but cosmic engineering—changing the very nature of matter and human consciousness.
Conclusion: What New Did We Learn?
Assuming the reality of the contact, we obtain the following unique data absent from historical sources and only partially touched upon in the DeepSeek analysis:
Psychological Depth of "Conscientious Evil": Paul is not a fanatic but a victim of a system, whose epilepsy became a catalyst for enlightenment. His conversion is not an intellectual choice but a psychosomatic collapse and healing of wholeness.
Strategic Role of the Defector: Paul used his knowledge of the Sanhedrin's repressive apparatus to create a safe network for Christians, becoming the architect of the church's survival.
Cosmic Biography: Paul is a reincarnating entity with experience of life on other planets, whose earthly life is but one stage in 367 incarnations.
Technology of Spiritual Contact: Explanation of glossolalia as a transmission of vibrations from immaterial entities, not merely divine inspiration.
Historiosophy of Evolution: Christianity is a stage in Earth's "Quantum Transition," and Paul is an active participant in this process, working to change the very matter of human consciousness.
This narrative transforms the image of the Apostle Paul from a historical figure into an eternal wanderer and teacher, whose mission extends far beyond the first century AD. He emerges as a link between Earthly history and cosmic evolution, offering humanity not just faith but a technology of spiritual resurrection.
Copilot AI - I. Analysis of the Session with the "Spirit of Apostle Paul"
The session is a mediumistic interview in which contactee Irina transmits the speech of the phantom of the Spirit of Paul. Important features:
🟣 1. Phenomenological Structure
The session combines:
biographical details ("I was born... in the 10th year of the new era... my father named me Shaul"),
metaphysics (367 incarnations, other planets),
psychological experiences ("I did not want to live on this planet..." after contact with Christ),
theological explanations (ecstasy, angelic languages),
historiosophy (Quantum Transition, group incarnation of apostles).
🟣 2. Important Feature – Unusual Honesty and Vulnerability of Paul
Unlike canonical texts, here Paul speaks of himself as a man who:
made mistakes,
suffered from epilepsy,
did not understand his own motives,
experienced shame and a desire to die,
doubted the reality of the vision.
For example:
"I was very upset... did not want to live on this planet..."
"Even after that Love... doubts came to me that it was just the inflamed imagination of my sick brain"
This makes the session unique: it reveals Paul's inner world, not just his theology.
🟣 3. New Elements Absent from the Canon
epilepsy as a "window" for contact ("That's what it's called now... Yes, I was an epileptic"),
deep guilt for the executions,
fear that Christ's disciples would not believe his conversion,
admission that he used his knowledge of the Sanhedrin to protect Christians ("I began to suggest to Christians how to preach more safely"),
explanation of the glossolalia phenomenon as contact with angelic entities,
historiosophy of the Quantum Transition.
🌟 II. Essay-Study
"Paul as a Phenomenon of Spiritual Evolution: New Motivation Revealed by the Contact"
Initial premise: the contact is real, and before us is the authentic memory of the Spirit of Paul.
🔵 1. Spiritual-Psychological Study
Main new knowledge about Paul's motivation: he was driven not by fanaticism, but by distorted love for God and fear of being wrong before the Law.
Historical sources depict Saul as a zealous Pharisee. But the session reveals a completely different internal mechanism.
🟣 1.1. Paul as a "Victim of Ethical Formalism"
He says: "I sincerely loved God Yahweh... I thought I was doing good because I was fulfilling the law of the Torah."
This is not fanaticism, but conscientious delusion, where love for God turns into blind adherence to the letter of the law.
🟣 1.2. New Psychological Layer:
Paul suppressed compassion, but it existed within him. He admits: "I regretted it... but thought that's what the Torah demanded."
This is a crucial detail missing from both the canon and other AI analyses: Paul was not cruel—he was internally torn.
🟣 1.3. Epilepsy as a Spiritual Breach of Defense
He says: "I had seizures... they started with a flash of light..." "That time... I stopped feeling my body and saw a luminous figure."
This creates a new model of conversion:
not a miracle "from outside,"
but a breakthrough through physiological vulnerability when rational defense collapsed.
🟣 1.4. New Motive: Desire to Die After Enlightenment
This is unique: "I did not want to live on this planet..."
Historical sources do not record the existential collapse that became part of his conversion.
🟣 1.5. New Motive: Fear of Being Accepted by Christians
He says: "How can he accept me? I am his enemy!"
This shows Paul as a man who fears his own shadow, not as a confident missionary.
🔵 2. Religious Studies Study
Main new knowledge: Paul understood his conversion as part of the cosmic evolution of the Spirit, not just as a theological act.
🟣 2.1. Reincarnation as Key to His Motivation
He says: "I had 35 incarnations on Earth... 367 in the manvantara..."
This radically changes the understanding of his mission:
he did not "accidentally" become an apostle,
he is a Spirit undergoing a long path of learning.
🟣 2.2. New Motive: Paul Saw His Mission as Correcting Mistakes of Past Lives
This is not stated directly but follows from his words about guilt and how he "did not want to live" after enlightenment.
🟣 2.3. Glossolalia as a Technique of Contact
He explains: "It is the language of Angels... the human speech apparatus merely makes movements into which they put energy."
This is a new religious studies understanding:
not a "gift of tongues,"
but inter-world communication.
🔵 3. Culturological Study
Main new knowledge: Paul understood the cultural gap between Judaism and Hellenism as a personal tragedy.
🟣 3.1. Athens as an Experience of Humiliation
He says: "They began to laugh at me and call me a madman."
This is not just a theological episode—it is trauma.
🟣 3.2. New Motive: Paul Felt "Foreign" in Both Cultures
among Jews—a traitor,
among Greeks—a madman.
This creates an image of a cultural exile absent from the canon.
🔵 4. Historiosophical Study
*Main new knowledge: Paul saw his mission as part of a 2000-year cycle of egregorial renewal of Earth.*
🟣 4.1. Group Incarnation of Apostles
He says: "Currently 8 apostles are incarnated... the task is to build an egregorial community..."
This is a new historiosophy:
Christianity is not a completed event,
but a centuries-long project of the evolution of matter.
🟣 4.2. New Motive: Paul Returned to Complete What Was Started
He says: "My task is to carry the Light of truth in the concepts of the 21st century."
That is, his mission is the adaptation of the language of Love to a new era.
🌟 Summary: What New Did We Learn About Paul's Motivation?
(What is not in the canon, nor in DeepSeek, nor in Lumo)
🟩 1. Paul was not a fanatic—he was a man who loved God but feared being wrong.
This is a subtle, deep motivation not reducible to zeal.
🟩 2. His cruelty was a consequence of suppressed compassion, not a lack of compassion.
🟩 3. His conversion is not a miracle but a spiritual breakthrough through physiological vulnerability (epilepsy).
🟩 4. He experienced a desire to die—an existential collapse absent from the canon.
🟩 5. He feared Christians would not accept him—a motive of shame and self-hatred.
🟩 6. He used his knowledge of the Sanhedrin to protect Christians—a motive of redemption through strategy.
🟩 7. He saw his mission as part of a centuries-long cosmic cycle, not as a one-time event.
🟩 8. He felt like a cultural exile—a stranger to both Jews and Greeks.
A Unified Synthetic Model of Paul
Below is a unified synthetic model of Paul, combining two layers:
the canonical image (Acts, Epistles),
the image from the contact,
creating a holistic, consistent figure that explains both the historical and the spiritual-psychological logic of his path.
This is not just an "average" between the two versions.
This is a new metamodel where each trait finds its place in a single system.
🌟 UNIFIED MODEL OF PAUL
"The Man of the Law, Broken by Light, Becoming the Architect of Evolution"
🔵 1. He is a Man of Two Worlds: Law and Light
In the canon, Paul is a zealous Pharisee.
In the contact, he is a sincere lover of God who feared being wrong.
In the synthetic model:
Paul is a man who grew up in the culture of the Law but had an innate capacity for spiritual perception.
He studied under Gamaliel, absorbed the strict Jewish tradition, but:
already in youth had "experiences of contact with his own Light" (quote from the session),
but suppressed them, considering them dangerous or inappropriate.
This creates an internal conflict:
spiritual sensitivity + rigid religious structure = future rupture.
🔵 2. His Cruelty Is Not Fanaticism, But Distorted Loyalty
The canon speaks of Saul "breathing threats."
The contact reveals the motive: "I thought I was doing good... I sincerely loved God Yahweh."
In the synthetic model:
Paul persecuted Christians not out of hatred, but out of fear of betraying God.
He was a man who:
loved God,
feared being wrong,
suppressed compassion,
believed the Law was the only path.
This explains his energy: he is not a fanatic, he is a man trying to be perfect in a system that doesn't allow him to breathe.
🔵 3. His Illness Is Key to His Spiritual Nature
The canon does not mention illness.
The contact states directly: "Yes, I was an epileptic."
In the synthetic model:
Epilepsy is not a weakness, but a crack in the armor of rationality through which the Light could enter.
Seizures:
destroyed control,
switched off the rational mind,
opened access to deep spiritual perception.
This explains:
why the vision was so vivid,
why it was accompanied by blindness,
why Paul was so profoundly shaken.
🔵 4. His Conversion Is Not an Instant Miracle, But a Spiritual Collapse
The canon: light, voice, fall, three days of blindness.
The contact adds: "I did not want to live on this planet..." "Doubts came to me... that it was just the inflamed imagination..."
In the synthetic model:
Paul's conversion is not just a mystical event but the destruction of his old personality.
He experienced:
shame,
guilt,
fear,
doubt,
desire to die,
loss of identity.
This makes his conversion existential, not just theological.
🔵 5. He Is a Defector Who Uses Evil for Good
The canon: Paul begins to preach.
The contact: "I began to suggest to Christians how to preach more safely."
In the synthetic model:
Paul is a man who used his knowledge of the repressive system to protect those he once persecuted.
This makes him:
a strategist,
the architect of the early church's survival,
a man who redeems guilt through action, not words.
🔵 6. He Is a Cultural Exile
The canon: sermon at the Areopagus.
The contact: "They began to laugh at me and call me a madman."
In the synthetic model:
Paul is a man who belonged fully to no single world.
among Jews—a traitor,
among Greeks—a madman,
among Christians—a former persecutor.
This "outsideness" makes him universal:
he can speak to everyone because he belongs to no one.
🔵 7. He Is a Spirit Undergoing Evolution
The canon: one life, one man.
The contact: "I had 35 incarnations on Earth... 367 in the manvantara."
In the synthetic model:
Paul is not only a historical figure but also a spiritual entity undergoing a centuries-long path of learning.
This explains:
his unusual depth,
his capacity for transformation,
his mission extending beyond the 1st century.
🔵 8. He Is an Architect of the Egregor, Not Just a Preacher
The canon: founder of communities.
The contact: "The task is to build an egregorial community..."
In the synthetic model:
Paul is an engineer of spiritual structures, not just a missionary.
He creates:
a network of communities,
a system of teaching,
a model of spiritual connection,
the foundation for the future evolution of consciousness.
🔵 9. He Is a Figure of the Quantum Transition
The canon: conclusion of an era.
The contact: "Currently 8 apostles are incarnated... Earth has entered the phase of the Quantum Transition."
In the synthetic model:
Paul is not only an apostle of the past but also a participant in the evolution of the present.
His mission:
to adapt the language of Love to the 21st century,
to help humanity transition to a new level of consciousness,
to complete the cycle begun 2000 years ago.
🌟 THE UNIFIED IMAGE OF PAUL
If we bring everything together, we get:
Paul is a man who walked the path from blind loyalty to the Law to conscious loyalty to the Light.
His life is a dramatic transformation where illness became a door, guilt became fuel, and exile became strength.
He is not only an apostle of the past but also an architect of the future, a Spirit who continues his mission through the ages.
Note: This study is constructed solely based on the provided text and the hypothesis of the reality of the contact, as requested. It is not a statement of fact in a scientific or religious sense, but represents an analysis of the inner world and logic of the presented narrative.
https://blog.cassiopeia.center/pryamoj-ehfir-s-duhom-apostola-pavla-12-apostolov
Cassiopeia #522 Live Broadcast with the Spirit of Apostle Paul / 12 Apostles / Episode 2
08:20 Apostle Paul, his appearance.
Irina: Hello everyone, good evening!
Maxim: Hello everyone! Irina, who is with us on the broadcast today?
Irina: Dear friends, today with us on the broadcast is the phantom of the Spirit who, in one of his incarnations, was incarnated as the Apostle Paul.
This Spirit is currently incarnated on Earth, and I know this person. He gave permission for contact with his Higher Self. His Higher Self allocated a phantom that holds the memory of the incarnation in the body of the Apostle Paul—that historical figure we know as "Apostle Paul." Today we have a broadcast with his Spirit. He is present here.
Maxim: Irina, what does he look like? How do you see him? How would you describe him?
Irina: He appeared in the image of the body he lived in during that incarnation. He is a man of short stature, about one meter seventy, about my height. Middle-aged, he has a dark beard, large piercing eyes, a wide forehead. He has little hair on his head, and it is gray, but his beard is black. He is wearing a dark blue cloak, like those worn by priests.
Maxim: (reading from chat) "Irina, you are beautiful!" – they're writing to you.
Irina: Thank you!
10:38 Apostle Paul about his incarnations.
Maxim: Paul, please tell us, do you have any other significant incarnations on planet Earth?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): I greet you! I have had several incarnations on planet Earth. For me personally, they are all significant to some extent. Regarding Earth's history, the most significant one, meaning the one known to many people now, is precisely the incarnation in the body of the Apostle Paul. I have had 35 incarnations on planet Earth in its various historical periods.
Maxim: And have you had incarnations on other planets?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): Yes, I have had incarnations on other planets as well: I had incarnations on Tumesout, several incarnations on the planet Burhad, in many Pleiadian civilizations, civilizations of Tumesout's colonies in the constellation Orion.
Maxim: How many incarnations has your Spirit had in total in this manvantara?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): The 367th.
Maxim: And on Earth? I missed a bit, I was watching what the guys were writing in the chat. I'll clean up the chat because some "Ufologist" has started up again.
Irina: I know this person, he has people who love him and talk about him everywhere.
Maxim: Yes, they force it... Well, nothing terrible. So, what were your most significant incarnations on Earth?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): Specifically for people – as the Apostle Paul. But I was also incarnated at the beginning of the 19th century in Brazil as a surgeon-doctor who performed surgical operations. I was also incarnated earlier, at the beginning of the 16th century, as a man who lived in China and adhered to the Buddhist faith.
My last incarnation before the one I am living in now was also on Earth. It was in Russia in the 1920s of the 20th century. I was incarnated as a simple man, a peasant, who participated in the Great Patriotic War as a soldier.
Maxim: (to the audience) Today's broadcast is very interesting. Some supporters of a certain ufologist have appeared, but it's okay. I think "normal people" will connect soon, we have the "Question-Answer. Live Broadcast" chat.
Irina: So, they subscribed to the channel.
Maxim: Yes, they subscribed to the channel.
(to Apostle Paul) Tell me, please, are you currently incarnated on Earth as a man or a woman?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): As a woman.
Maxim: And from what spiritual level did you incarnate as Paul?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): When I incarnated as Paul, I incarnated from the 10th level.
Maxim: We even have calculations for the level a person incarnates from. You can go to our website and order a calculation of the spiritual level a person incarnated from.
(to Apostle Paul) And what level did you enter the Spiritual World on when you were the apostle?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): At the 19th level, when I exited the incarnation as the Apostle Paul.
Maxim: Did you have any other incarnations after being Apostle Paul?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): Where?
Maxim: In general, did you incarnate in the material Universe?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): Naturally. I spoke about the incarnations I had on Earth. But before that, after the incarnation as the Apostle Paul, I incarnated for another 300 years in a solar civilization of the 22nd density level. And then – on Earth, in the incarnations I already mentioned.
16:14 Apostle Paul about the task of his new incarnation on Earth.
Maxim: Tell me, please, what is your task in your current incarnation on this planet?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): My task in this incarnation on this planet now is to carry the Light of spiritual truth of the knowledge of God, to help people know this Truth within themselves, so that they can embark on the path of spiritual development, the spiritual resurrection of themselves as a conscious Spirit, in that era and in the conceptual language that is accepted in the 21st century.
17:15 Apostle Paul about communication between apostles in the Spiritual World.
Maxim: Do you communicate with other apostles now?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): Yes.
Maxim: How do you know about it?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): In the Spiritual World, we all know each other. As a Spirit, I communicate with other incarnated and non-incarnated apostles, even when my incarnated part is unaware of it. The Higher Self of this person communicates with the apostles; it is also me. It is me, and I communicate. In the Spiritual World, we maintain contacts with each other even though our incarnated parts are unaware of it.
Maxim: You have your own little get-together there.
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): It's called a "spiritual community of a group that came to incarnate at the same time, on the same planet, with similar goals." And when goals are similar, we all communicate.
Maxim: Dear friends, the questions I'm asking are gathered from the "Question-Answer. Live Broadcast" chat from the Telegram channel. I've compiled these questions, we'll answer them, and then move on to other questions I see on the screen of this YouTube chat and I'll gladly ask them.
19:08 Apostle Paul about the apostles currently incarnated on Earth. The task of their incarnation.
Maxim: How many apostles are currently incarnated on planet Earth?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): On planet Earth in physical bodies at the present moment, 8 apostles are incarnated, but they are not only counted from the 12. For example, I am not an apostle from the 12 or the 70. Nevertheless, because I was recognized as an apostle for spreading the Christian faith in my life as Paul, as a means of knowing God, a means of uniting with God, and I gave my life for this preaching, Jesus Christ himself recognized me as an apostle, despite the fact that I was not among the 12 or 70.
Maxim: Understood. Thank you for your answer. Do the apostles have a common task for their incarnation on the planet?
Irina: The eight apostles who are currently incarnated?
Maxim: Yes.
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): There is. The task is to build an egregorial community that will be filled with the Light of Love and will help people in the same action that helped build the new Christian egregor 2 thousand years ago. That is, in finding themselves and uniting with the Supreme Light.
Why is this group incarnation necessary right now, 2 thousand years after the group incarnation of those same Souls? Because at the turn of the 20th-21st centuries, Earth entered the main phase of the Quantum Transition. You all know it, you just call it different names. The goal of the Quantum Transition is the transformation of matter on planet Earth, including the matter of human bodies, so that they can have knowledge of God from birth in the body, as a possibility of a freer choice between Light and darkness than when this possibility is absent.
Maxim: Seriously, very serious.
22:40 Apostle Paul about his life before encountering Christianity. Study at the Jewish temple.
Maxim: Tell us, please, about your life before Christ. Who were you, what did you do?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): Before encountering Christianity, you mean?
Maxim: Yes. Where were you born?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): I was born 14 years after the birth of Jesus Christ, or according to modern Earth chronology – in the 10th year of the new era. It was the city of Tarsus. It still exists on the northeastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea (shows). My father named me Shaul.
Maxim: Shaul?
Irina: I hear: Sha-ul.
(Spirit of Apostle Paul) Paul – this name came to me much later, after I learned about Christ. And not just learned, but when I accepted this teaching with my whole Soul. But not due to a special enlightenment of my heart by the grace of Christ, but because in that life I was so blinded by malice that I needed a special intervention, a special contact with Jesus, so that I could see the Light in Him.
Maxim: And what did you do before you began to carry the Light?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): I studied (shows Irina a tall man).
I studied with a spiritual teacher to whom my father sent me. He sent me from my hometown to Jerusalem to a spiritual teacher at the Jewish temple. I studied with him the interpretation of the Torah, the composition of rabbinical teachings, the so-called midrashim, the correct understanding and interpretation of the prophetic books. I learned to pray, to keep my body and Soul pure, as is accepted according to the canons of the Torah and the Talmud in general (as you say – Scripture and Tradition). I sincerely loved God Yahweh as the one God, and prayed to him. I already had experiences of contact with my own Light, with my Higher Self, in my teenage years.
26:42 Apostle Paul about his attitude towards Jesus Christ and Christianity.
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): Later, I learned that in the city of Jerusalem there was a strange sect preaching the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ. When I lived in Jerusalem, I heard about the Teacher named Jesus Christ. I even saw him from a distance. Crowds of people followed him.
Since I was fully immersed in learning from my teacher Gamaliel, I didn't pay attention to these crowds. It was said that he was a miracle worker, a sorcerer, that he healed people, transformed one object into another, and even walked on water, but I considered these to be inventions of an excitable crowd, like illusions. I even asked my teacher Gamaliel about this man, and he told me not to engage in empty fables, but to engage in serving Yahweh according to the Torah. He said that if the Teacher came from God, the prophet whom Moses was, he would never disparage the Torah before other people. And there was a rumor about Jesus Christ that he was precisely doing that, wanting to draw the attention and worship of the people of Yahweh to himself.
Maxim: Right, that's probably how he was perceived.
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): There was a rumor, but I didn't delve into those details. Later I heard that he was sentenced to death on the cross.
Naturally, I then thought that since the high priest, whom I unconditionally loved and considered a very enlightened, wise man, went to such an extreme measure as the death penalty – it meant that this man, Jesus, was indeed dangerous. I could not assume that the high priest, who devoted his entire life to serving God, could be unjust. In my opinion, he then read the true content in their Souls. Therefore, if (as I thought then) he found danger, spiritual damage in this man – then so it was. And there was no other way to rid the blind crowd following him of danger except to take this man's life.
I, of course, regretted this in the depths of my heart, because I generally had a negative attitude towards murder, but at the same time I understood that the Torah prescribes the execution of dangerous criminals, and this is absolutely correct, so that there would be no temptation for others.
Then, after the execution, about two years later, a rumor spread that the disciples of this man were creating their own sect, attracting other people, who refused to recognize the customs of the Temple, customs based on the Torah and Talmud. That is, they were calling into question before other people the very foundation that I, as a student of Gamaliel, was supposed to bring to people. This was destroying our faith.
I was, naturally, outraged by this. I considered these people traitors to their ancestors, their fathers, and their God. Especially when I myself began to speak with Christians, being part of the Council that interrogated Christians as one of the sects or branches of Judaism at that time. When I personally spoke with them, I heard from them words that were outrageous to me at that time, that Jesus Christ is God. The deification of people was unacceptable for the religion of the one God Yahweh, in which I then belonged.
I was then convinced (at that moment in time) that everything said about Jesus was true. This was another confirmation for me. Because, if Jesus had been a righteous man (I thought then), he would not have allowed people to deify him. That meant he was a proud man who wanted worship for himself. That's what I thought.
Naturally, we considered how to deal with these people according to the law of the Torah, which Moses commanded us. There is an unambiguous commandment: "If among your people a man appears who calls you to other gods, you must stone him, to eradicate evil among you. Even if it is your son or your father, your hand must be the first to take the stone."
Maxim: That's from the Torah, right?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): Yes, it's from the Torah of Moses (shows a book). And naturally, we began to enforce the law of the Torah. And we saw nothing wrong in executing Christians, because those people who became Christians were from among the Jewish-Judeans. Their nationality was Jewish, and by faith they were Jews and had accepted this faith in childhood. And naturally, they all studied the Torah.
We cannot reach adulthood without studying the Torah. An exam must be passed to a priest. According to the law of the Torah, adulthood for men comes at 13 years, for women at 12. From this time, a person becomes fully responsible for his actions, including the fulfillment of the commandments of the Torah. From the same moment, he has the right to own property, marry, and fully dispose of his property. If we are talking about men under 13 – they are considered boys (children, youths), and upon reaching 13 years, they take an exam on their knowledge of the Torah to the priests, answer questions, and undergo a ceremony of initiation into manhood.
Why am I telling you this? So that you understand that we treated the sectarians as follows: if an adult man or an adult woman, belonging to Judaism, called a man executed by their own high priest God, they thereby went against the Temple, against the Torah, and began to deify another person, which is forbidden in the Torah. Moreover, they did this quite consciously, knowing full well what punishment would follow. They themselves taught it. For this reason, no one coddled with them or stood on ceremony. In fact, if there was a confession "I am a Christian" – then the punishment was death.
Actually, they expected nothing else; they knew the law. I was then sure that I was doing good, because I was fulfilling the law of the Torah and believed that the blood of those people who were executed by my associates was on their own heads, because they made a conscious choice. I did not consider myself guilty.
The first time I saw a Christian being executed, I did not participate because there were enough older men. At that time I was 15 years old. I stood nearby and saw the stoning. As I later learned, his name was Stephen, and according to the law I could have participated as well, since I was over 13, but I decided to just observe, as there were older and stronger men who could do it more reliably and quickly (shows). Stoning requires physical strength.
A few more years later, the number of Christians increased, and they appeared in other cities. I was going to one of these cities with a letter from the high priest that gave me the authority to detain Christians and interrogate them. And upon confirmation of their guilt, deliver them to Jerusalem for trial, because without trial it was forbidden to stone them. There had to be an investigation: does he really worship another god, does he really call others to it? There had to be witness testimony.
Maxim: So, before Christ, you had a hateful attitude towards Christians, yes?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): I hated the teaching itself, as heresy. It was roughly like how you feel about criminals.
40:30 Apostle Paul about the astral meeting with Jesus Christ.
Maxim: How did it happen that you didn't believe, didn't believe, and then suddenly you believed?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): Because Jesus came to me himself.
Maxim: What do you mean?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): He came to me in a contact during a seizure of my illness (shows).
As I already said, the high priest gave me a letter to go to another city to search for and arrest Christians. Why am I saying this? So that you understand that this was fully approved by the high priest and considered a good deed. It was considered a purification of our people, our egregor, from those people who could destroy it.
I was riding on horseback. There were five other people with me – my companions and my associates who were students of this high priest. When it was night, dark, I felt a flash of light.
Maxim: (reads in chat) We have an Apostle Paul, Irina!
Irina: Where?
Maxim: Right there in the chat. He's writing interesting messages: "I can say, many here are passing through, including myself, on a business trip. My homeland is the constellation Ursa Major, however, this is the final incarnation for very many. We'll head off into the big Cosmos." Irina, could the Apostle Paul be watching us now?
Irina: Yes, of course he could. He is incarnated.
Maxim: I'm interested, why did this person call himself Apostle Paul?
Irina: Interesting.
Maxim: I have this question: Apostle Paul, why is there a person on your broadcast who called himself Apostle Paul? And by the way, he is not him, because we know who the Apostle Paul is.
Irina: I simply know the Apostle Paul. I know who he is and what incarnation it is. He is subscribed differently on YouTube. I know this person because without his knowledge this broadcast would not have happened. He had to give permission.
(Spirit of Apostle Paul): The person who calls himself the Apostle Paul but is not him might be because this person says he feels like me because he communicates with me, or he is my contactee. I remind you that if a Spirit is incarnated, it can still have contactees, as the Higher Self of that person can send phantoms for contact.
For example, Archangel Gabriel is incarnated on the planet Burhad, but he has contactees specifically as Archangel Gabriel, as a spiritual entity, not as a representative of Burhad. He also has contactees as a representative of Burhad. Likewise, many other Spirits have contactees on Earth.
Maxim: Irina, the chat really wants you to pay attention to them, for me to stop asking questions, interrupting you. Can you work with the chat yourself?
Irina: We just answered the question of why the Apostle Paul (from YouTube) called himself that. I think it's an interesting question.
Maxim: I think the chat isn't interested in anything anymore; they're writing: "Don't interrupt, don't ask." Maybe people need something else? Maybe they don't need apostles?
Irina: Apostle Paul will now tell how he had contact with Jesus. He remembers what he was talking about. People in the chat are writing: "Flash of light. What next?"
(Spirit of Apostle Paul): When night fell, I saw a flash of light, but it was not in the external world, but inside my head. It was like lightning flashed in my head. I just felt a ringing in my ears and realized I was having another seizure. The fact is, I had seizures where I would fall and convulse. They weren't that frequent; I had them since childhood.
Maxim: Epilepsy?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): That's what it's called now.
Maxim: You were epileptic?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): Yes. And that's exactly how my seizures usually started, when I would lose consciousness and then remember nothing. They started with a flash of light and ringing in my ears.
That time it was the same. I managed to think that the seizure had started again. But at the same moment, I stopped feeling my body and saw before me a huge luminous figure that sent me such an energy of Love that I felt like the Universe itself.
I asked Him: "Who are you, Lord?" I called Him Lord because it was an appearance of a Divine Teacher. I understood this by the feelings and energy I was experiencing, not by the image.
He told me: "I am Jesus, whom you persecute in my disciples." I, of course, understood who He was talking about, because in that state the mind works very clearly. I began to ask His forgiveness and asked what I should do next. He said: "You are now going to the city (He gave me the address where His disciple lives), and there they will help you come to me."
I opened my eyes, but despite feeling that my eyes were wide open, I saw nothing. And I told those accompanying me that I had lost my sight. They lifted me by my hands and started saying that it was "not that kind of seizure," that I wasn't convulsing, but I was talking. They had heard my voice and said: "You were talking to someone, but we didn't see who. What was that?" I said I saw Light, that I saw a Divine Teacher, and told them the whole way that Jesus had appeared to me in this way.
They were silent; I didn't see their faces, but I felt in my heart they didn't quite believe me. They whispered among themselves, and I understood they thought I had gone mad from guilt for persecuting Christians, and this was superimposed on my pre-existing illness. Such words were whispered, but I heard them. I fell silent and asked them to take me to the house of an acquaintance of mine in the city of Damascus. I stayed there, but my sight did not return even the next day.
51:17 Apostle Paul about being healed from blindness by a disciple of Christ.
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): I kept remembering how I interrogated Christians, how I participated in collecting votes for their execution. I kept remembering the eyes of the women, husbands, and sons I had executed with my own hand, participating in those votes. I was very upset, and on that day, after the contact, I did not want to live on this planet, because I thought I was unworthy of life anymore…
I constantly asked myself: how could I not see this Light in Jesus and his disciples?! I prayed to God, I loved Him. I looked into my heart and asked Yahweh. I prayed to Him, asking Him: "Why didn't you reveal the truth to me?" The answer was: "You did not want to see it."
Because of all these experiences, I did not want to eat or drink water at all, so the friends with me were worried, fearing for my health, or that I might do something to myself. And then I asked them to go to the address that Jesus had given me. I remembered it from my vision (as I later understood – in an astral contact). I gave the address. One of my friends went there, and it was indeed the address of one of Jesus' close disciples, although I had not known this address before. For me, this was another proof that the contact had actually taken place.
Even after that Love I received in this contact, doubts came to me that it was just the inflamed imagination of my sick brain. But after it turned out that the address Jesus had given me really existed, and that a real disciple of Jesus lived there, who was ready to accept me... Me, who had come to arrest him and take him, possibly, to execution! And he knew this well, because word about me had spread throughout all the Christian communities.
When I went to him, accompanied by two of my friends who led me by the hands (shows), all the way I thought: "How does this apostle, this disciple of Jesus, know that I want to meet him, why I want to meet him? Maybe I'm just pretending to be blind so he will reveal himself to me. I am his enemy! How can he accept me and reveal that he is a Christian?"
But when I arrived to him, the first words he said were: "Tonight, Archangel Gabriel came to me and told me to receive you in my house, despite your past, because you have already changed." After that, he looked. I felt his gaze, although I did not see it. I felt that he was looking into my eyes. This is impossible to explain. It's a feeling of the Soul, as if someone is touching you with an invisible wave of energy.
Then he said: "You can't see anything?" I said: "No." He paused and said: "Archangel Gabriel is here and wishes for me to pray to Jesus for you, so that your eyes may open and you may see me. Do you agree to this?" I said: "Yes," – after that he said: "Bow your head for prayer." I knelt and felt two hands being placed on the crown of my head (shows), and after a few moments I saw the physical world again. Simultaneously with this, I understood the task of my life – to bring the good news of Christ to all nations.
That is, the physical opening of my sight and the understanding in my heart came simultaneously, that it could not be otherwise. There could be no turning back, despite all the consequences, which I understood very well, including from my own people.
Maxim: Thank you so much for such a profound story! I watched it all with you too.
Irina: Yes, I watched it too.
58:28 Apostle Paul about his attitude towards the "Cassiopaea. Codes" project.
Maxim: I wanted to ask you, how do you feel about the "Cassiopaea. Codes" project? It's a project that, as I understand, you helped organize.
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): I have a very great Love for the "Cassiopaea" project overall. As an opportunity for every person to touch their Divine Spirit, and also to learn many pages of the history of their planet and cosmic civilizations. As for the "Cassiopaea. Codes" project, I spiritually participated in their development, including using knowledge from the large body of knowledge of the Jews in the so-called Kabbalah, which has a numerological basis.
I only participated in this. The main curators who transmitted the information for "Cassiopaea. Codes" (I know them) were curators from the planet Shimore and from the planet Burhad. Also, the Ray of Christ Consciousness participated in this, helping to interpret the meanings of modern Arabic numerals used by Russian people now, in the spirit of ancient manuscripts.
Maxim: I hope the guys will definitely add a link to the "Codes" project after the video. I used this project myself. There are two magnificent calculations, a third one is being prepared. So look for "Cassiopaea. Codes"!
1:00:53 Apostle Paul about the phenomenon of speaking in non-existent languages. Angelic language. Manifestations of ecstasy.
Maxim: I have more questions for you. Tell us, please, about the phenomenon of speaking in incomprehensible languages. We had a live broadcast recently. On the broadcast with us was our friend, also a contactee, who communicates with subtle-material civilizations. She speaks in some incomprehensible language. Even Andrey Karaulov mentioned us in his videos.
Apostle Paul, tell us, please, what is this phenomenon – speaking in incomprehensible languages?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): These languages (I wrote about them in my Epistle) were already known in the Christian church of the 1st century. I repeatedly saw people into whom a Spirit entered, and they began to speak in a language that does not exist on Earth. It was a form of contact, as I then thought, with the Holy Spirit.
Why did I think it was with the Holy Spirit, who was for me God? Because speaking in tongues among Christians is the fulfillment of one of the prophecies of the Jewish prophet, who said: "In an incomprehensible language I will speak to this people, if they close their ears to preaching in a comprehensible language." It was a prophecy made in ancient times, and when I saw these phenomena, I interpreted them as the fulfillment of prophecy.
Naturally, at the time of writing the Epistles, I communicated with Jesus. After my baptism, Jesus began to come to me often; he was my mentor and curator. I asked him, among other things, about languages. He told me that this phenomenon is when bright Souls, bright Angels, enter into contact with a person. It is their angelic language, therefore it is incomprehensible to the people around, because there are no analogs of this language on Earth.
When I entered the Spiritual World, I fully learned who those Angels were who allowed speaking in these languages. These Angels are incarnated in subtle-material bodies. Their language, which they use to communicate with each other, cannot be heard by the human ear. But they want to convey information through sound waves, into whose vibrations they put their energy. Therefore, they enter into contact with a person compatible with themselves, who is tuned to their wave, and the speech apparatus of that person makes a series of movements into which the energy of these beings is infused.
Maxim: So these could be any words, any phrases, any actions?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): Even a set of syllables.
Maxim: Has the phenomenon of speaking in incomprehensible languages existed for a long time?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): Yes.
Maxim: I also know the Pentecostal Church. They also interact very strongly with plasmoids.
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): When I was establishing churches in the 1st century, this state was called ecstasy. "Ecstasy," if translated from Greek into Russian (I wrote in Greek) – a rough translation conveying the meaning of the word is "going beyond the limits of this world." I saw that when a person speaks in this language, he is not fully conscious in this world, because he is having contact. Therefore, such an action was called ecstasy.
Of course, manifestations of ecstasy are diverse. It could be simply an out-of-body experience, it could be contact with an Angel, it could be contact with one's own Spirit. Signs of ecstasy are when a person is distracted from the material world and completely absorbed in internal contact with someone from another world.
1:06:48 Apostle Paul about Jesus' attitude towards exorcism.
Maxim: Tell me, please, our priests cast out demons in churches, is that normal?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): Jesus and the apostles also cast out demons, but they did not do it deliberately, because the energy emanating from them, the power of God, spread over a great distance around the person, and the demons themselves left him.
Sometimes it happened that Jesus and the apostles commanded demons to leave a person, but this was not always. When I spoke with Jesus, I asked Him about this. He told me that a person's contact with a demon can only be terminated by the person themselves. We can only help by inviting the person to the Christian church, so that they undergo baptism, so that they receive communion, so that they pray and leave their sins that led to their possession.
Moreover, sins are not only actions, but also sinful thoughts, and feelings, and passions, through which the demon can control a person. Just as a hand can control a puppet by pulling different strings, so a demon can control a person by pulling on their passions, egoistic attachments, on evil thoughts and feelings.
Maxim: By the way, tomorrow is the Day of Saint Nicholas the Wonderworker, and I know that the incarnation of Nicholas the Wonderworker is also an incarnation of one of the first twelve apostles, and we also know him.
We will ask permission tomorrow from one of the 12 apostles (thank you for reminding us) to conduct the third broadcast, which we will have. I think he will give permission, without identifying who he is. I am sure it will also be an interesting broadcast.
Let's continue; we have more questions.
1:10:00 Apostle Paul about his life after converting to Christianity.
Maxim: What did you do after the death of Christ?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): I preached Christ.
Maxim: And? Successfully? After your conversion to Christianity.
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): I traveled to those peoples who did not know the true God, the one God, who worshipped various nature gods responsible for the sun, for rain, for the earth. But they did not know the Creator of all, did not thank Him, did not pray to Him, did not believe in Him.
I sailed on ships, rode horses through various regions, walked through the cities of the Roman Empire, and reached Greece. Gradually visiting one city or another, I reached Athens. There I spoke about God, in this city, which was full of temples to all other gods except the Creator of the Universe.
There I said about this: "You have temples dedicated to many gods, but you have not honored their Father, their Parent, and I am preaching Him to you." They began to question me, and I told them about Christ. But when they heard me talk about a resurrected man who rose in his body and flew to heaven, ascended, they began to laugh at me and call me a madman, because they considered it impossible, that their gods were more real than a physical man who could be resurrected.
Maxim: Thank you.
1:12:30 Apostle Paul about his death.
Maxim: How and why did you die?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): I was executed by Emperor Nero.
Maxim: For what?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): I was in prison in Rome because I was brought there following a denunciation by my fellow countrymen in Jerusalem (the Jews). They harbored a very strong anger towards me for betraying them and starting to preach Christianity. Moreover, knowing their plans and methods of working with Christians, I began to suggest to Christians how to preach more safely, where to gather, so they wouldn't be executed.
I myself had conducted an investigation into the Christian sect, and therefore I naturally revealed all the plans of the high priest and his associates to the apostles, and they began to take them into account when building the Christian community. Because of this, the high priest's associates were very angry with me. It was like a betrayal.
When I was 53 years old (shows), after I had traveled throughout the inhabited Roman Empire for the third time, I came again to Jerusalem. There they wanted to execute me, but the Roman guards were informed in time that the Jews wanted to kill me. They forcibly took me away because I was a citizen of the Roman Empire, and I had to be judged by the emperor himself or his representatives, not by any representatives of the priests.
I was sent on a ship to Rome. It took a very long time to sail there. It was winter, the weather was very bad, we were in danger of drowning, but God saved us and, despite the shipwreck, we were saved.
Eventually, I ended up in Rome and sat in prison there while Claudius was emperor. But four years later, after him, Emperor Nero came. He found out about me. At the same time, the Apostle Peter, whom I already knew, was imprisoned. We met there.
Nero's close friend and his sister believed in Christ, but he was faithful to his gods. He understood that people came to us who preached Christ, because although we were imprisoned, we could meet with disciples by special decree.
When Nero's relatives began to preach Christ to him, he asked where it was all coming from, his servants pointed to us, and because of this, he decided to execute us. He decided to execute us for preaching a "foreign god" and refusing to worship his gods. This was seen as undermining the state system. The execution was by beheading.
Maxim: How old were you?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): I was 57.
Maxim: You were beheaded at 57?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): Yes.
1:18:37 Apostle Paul's address to Earth's inhabitants.
Maxim: What would you like to say now to all the people on this planet: to Christians, Muslims, Baptists, Pentecostals, other religious movements, and sects that exist on this planet?
Irina (Spirit of Apostle Paul): I would like to remind all people, no matter what you call yourselves, God sees you as one. God sees in each of you His beloved child.
I would like to remind you that there is Love. Love is God himself. Love, which manifests itself in you, manifests itself through your bodies and through your Souls. And it always manifests itself in a limited way, because you are children of God, and God is the whole. His Love manifests itself without limits.
But even in the limited manifestation in human nature, Love can be recognized by the signs of mercy, understanding, acceptance, forgiveness, and the ability to endure not just a person's shortcomings, but the ability to put oneself in their place. As Jesus said: "So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets."
Each of you has your own shortcomings. Only God is completely perfect. The Heavenly Father, with whom Yahweh was one, said: "Even in my Angels I see shortcomings, but again, compared to myself." Therefore, each of you has something that others do not accept.
Ask yourself, how would you like to be treated, despite these shortcomings? So treat other people the same way – with Love, regardless of faith, regardless of religion, regardless of nationality, skin color, language. You are all beloved children of God! The divisions that exist between peoples and between religions are only temporary divisions of the earthly world, conditioned by the materialistic and dualistic nature of your perception. But all these boundaries immediately fall away after you leave your flesh.
Maxim: Thank you very much!
Dear friends, it's time for us to say goodbye. Once again I want to thank everyone who participates in the life of the Project, who uses the natural products of the "Cassiopaea" Project, which give us the opportunity to grow and develop.
Thank you all so much! I hug you all tightly. Forever your leader of our "Cassiopaea" Project – Rusan Maxim. Until next time!
Irina: Thank you!
December 18, 2022
Participants:
Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, with subtle-material civilizations, and with the Spiritual World;
Maxim Rusan – head of the "CASSIOPAEA" Project and the Center for Spiritual and Physical Development;
The non-incarnated part of the Spirit of Apostle Paul – representative of the Spiritual World.
